what if I die as a japanese in the philippines, can i become a pilipino when I be reborn...????
any thoughs about this one? there are so many topics about reincarnation but i cant find what one...

If you are reincarnated in the country you die….. How come country populations are increasing?

In fact…. What is the explanation for 6 billion people 21st century compared to 1 billion 20th century?

Did dogs die and become human? helpless shrug

hmmm maybe antz and cokroach and birdz and flies and mosqiutos too heheheehe

Isn't it possible that more souls are created? Souls had to be created to start it all off to begin with. Perhaps when there is no one else to reincarnate into your child, a new soul is created?

Perhaps!
Very recently, after adopting a certain philosophy, I began to believe in rebirth.
I don't know if a "soul" should really be considered an individual thing that is unique to each person though. I lack study.

I can't imagine that whatever force might control reincarnation cares very much about human-fabricated borders.

Why would the Big Recycler in the Sky care what country you are from?

Here is a thought, I might be right, I might be way off, but it could explain that very thing: If you notice that there are very good people and very bad people int he world along with people who have both good and bad in almost equal measure....let's say that there is a need for a new soul, so an older soul splits, but not perfectly in equal measure of good and bad. And this keeps happening until you have the predominate bad people and the predominate good people. That could explain the reasons that there are such evil people who do such horrendous things, and then the wonderful people like the Secret Santa guy who died recently. Just my thought.

Anyway as to where you are born, on another thread it was asked if we choose our parents before we are born. Maybe this all ties in that we choose to be with our past loved ones, wherever they may be.

well, I have heard about one interesting theory about number of souls. It says that there is no limits for a soul in space and time. It means that the time doesn't exist for a soul. It means that a soul can reincarnate in any time, in the past or in the future. Your past life can be from the future. I have heard of a case when a person was killed by himself, his killer was his own soul, born earlier. Later the killer's soul reincarnated into his victim's, to "repair" killer's karma. If that can happen, the number of souls is regulated.
sorry I can't give you the source of this theory and no proof of this case, I just read it somewhere...

Whooo interesting theory!!!

So if someone dies in, say, 1990, they could choose to be reincarnated into the year 1550 for instance, as time is all supposed to be happening "all at once" there are no boundaries. If this were possible it would definitely mean that lives are predetermined as to what happens.

What? How could they have known that if he got killed? Just curious

That person was hypnotized to remember his past lives, and it happened in one of those past lives.



Just my opinion - I don't believe we can actually choose it by ourselves. It's more like karma - what you haven't done in one life, you have to do in another, for ballance. The theory itself is fascinating, because it means that, for example, your soul-mate is actually you in your next reincarnation... Or you may live all surrounded by yourself!
As for place of birth, I believe it's random. Unless it influence events in your life

If what you say is true, and it's possible for someone to be reincarnated at any point in time because the soul itself is not bound by space and time, then isn't it also possible that there is only one soul? One entity, that shares billions of bodys, all of which have different personalities but share the same conciousness? I know it's a strange idea, and I don't have any basis for this hypothesis, but I'm just throwing it out there. It'd be interesting if we were all connected in that way, if a bit disturbing...

yes OilFight, very interesting idea! one soul, which makes us all one, I like it

Consider that the "one big soul" is like a large puzzle. The picture on the puzzle could be anything. Let's say it's a scene of a garden. Then if each one of us is, say, one piece of the puzzle, that would explain why some personalities are bright and colorful, while others are plain and boring. Also why some of us are gentle, with smooth rounded edges, and others are aggressive, with sharp edges. Some pieces of the puzzle are bent, and some, as happens with most puzzles, are lost... Each piece of the puzzle is unique, unto itself, yet as a whole, when perfectly fitted together, we form a lovely scene of a perfect garden.

On a serious note, this is a pretty interesting link about a little boy who seems to be proof of reincarnation:

http://www.reversespins.com/proofofreincarnation.html

I've read other stories like this one. Who knows, maybe there's something to it...

as I have read all your replies I think there is only one soul that is in evolution and it keeps on spliting and spliting
I dont know If a soul that is reincarnated will be thrown back to time of the past.....
THe world is Maya = confusion hehe
I hope someday I will know until there is nothing to be known hehe
ty for the replies

still my question about what if a man who is a japanese and died in the philippines will be reincarnated as a Filipino???
still no answer .............hehe
somebody ???/

my answer would be - there is no necessity for a Japanese who died in Philipinnes to be reincarnated as Philipino. It can happen of course

I think the soul has no connection with anything physical, so you become who ever you are born in the next life as, no matter what you were in the previous one.

hehe, atlast there is as solid answer for this hehe, hmmmm
may a african can be reborn as a english men

Ahhh....that's what you called...Immigration.
Very similar to...Reincarnation.

LOL why don't we find out?

I know this may seem a little weird and far fetched. But I wonder if you pick up characteristics from your past reincarnation?? Like say a guy is very feminine, he may have been a female in his past life and that is why he may have characteristics of a woman or the reason he may be gay. He has the body of a man, but the soul of the woman in his past life and vice versa for Women who act like men. This is just speculation however..

like some gay guys?......maybe thats true, hehe, there are lots of gay here in the philippines
I wonder how they grow in numbers,,,,maybe waking world leaks...

hmm i wonder if you are a samurai back then and suddenly you remember your past
hehe there will be cutting going on.. hehe

The wheel of Samsara, as I understand it, is divided into 6 sections. The upper three are human, demi-god, and god. The lower three are animal, spirit, and hell. There are no distinctions for location or nationality, and that's as it should be, right? A human is a human.

I've had that exact thought. Should reincarnation exist, it makes a lot of sense.

I've also wondered about where all the souls are coming from for all the new people. I used to think that perhaps there was a limited amount of "soul energy" in the world, and that would explain why society seems to be experiencing a moral decline - the "soul energy" is becoming too thinly spread, and we get stuff like killer kids who seem to have no souls.

I'm not so sure about that anymore.

Maybe the soul gets to pick what it wants to experience and grow from when it reincarnates...so maybe it can decide to experience life in a male physical form one time...a female physical form the next while maintaining characteristics from previous life times. Over all, I don’t think the sexual orientations of souls or individuals are of great importance in the over all picture. I think these roles are more earthly concerns created by organized religion and society...thus creating fear, division and judgment among us.

i'd agree, not that i have any idea wot happens once u die(much like everysingle other person on the planet) but i wud think that souls/spirits etc dont adhere to the same rules of our physical world and space/time. if spirit is infinite it can do wot it likes, incarnate whenever wherever and at the same time in a million different places if it so wants.
but yea who knows, maybe theres like rules and shizzum.

To answer your question directly, yes you COULD become one, in theory. But in my view the reincarnation process is not random; your soul pre exists physical birth, and you choose your incarnation and a basic roadmap of events that will occur in your life; not based off of physical things like ethnicity as such, but for the growth of spirtual disciplines. You will choose your race more likely because you want to experience what that ethnicity has to offer your soul. You'll be born in Thailand, say, to experience what it is like being Buddhist. Your soul won't choose a race for its own sake., or sex for that matter. There is a soul reason why you are a man or woman. Experience, growth, not because you died somewhere! Its not random, nor immediate. You will take time figuring all this out....

I suppose A soul has to start somewhere before it can reincarnate.

i would have thought that you reincarnate into something random.

i wonder why we cant remember our choices even thought we remember we must go through a long meditation.. is there any way this could be known in a short span of time?

since i was 5 i already questioning why i was born?? why i was here in this body?

is there any instances that you could choose not to live again to have an eternal rest?,,..ive been wondering about it hence i always wanted to have a long rest...

In response to two points; I don't feel that we incarnate into something random, simply because it would make things more difficult to accomplish. The soul is undergoing a spiritual evolution on its journey back to Source; to achieve oneness we must eradicate bad karma, work towards God....to accomplish this we create the challenges, the roadblocks. I believe completely in free will, yet at the same time, nothing is random. If you read books like Many Lives Many Masters or Life Beyond Life, people who undergo past life regression typically do talk about choosing their next incarnation, and even their parents.

The other thing, rememberance.....We don't generally remember our past lives because it would actually, in most cases, hinder us rather than help us. Why would you want to heap on things like guilt from wrongs comitted in a past life onto the present? Or basking in your own glory, say if you were someone important in a past life? Our knowledge of this would only serve to create needless material emotions based on what we have experienced before. Your soul DOES remember its choices, and that reflects in your present incarnation. The essence is still there, see? Things that you need to work out, or good qualities also. If you were greedy in a past life, say, that tendency will likely be present in this one. It needs to be mastered. All the tools that we need to improve on past lives are present in this one, therefore, we don't literally need to know who we were. Its just not relevant. Got to admit, though, I am kind of curious myself lol.

Its good you were asking those questions, early, you are seeking, which means you are probably on the right path. Yes, we probably do choose periods of rest. I'm sure God doesn't just kick us out lol. Again, in past life regressions, many patients have talked about long lapses in between incarnations. Some even talk about how they get spiritual purification from the material life. Like a metaphoric shower washing off pain, regret, etc.

I agree.
If we were to remember, it would hinder us.
Although it would be interesting if we could remember.
Imagine all the history we could remember. Or people.
We would remember the way people lived in certain centuries, and such.

I agree.
If we were to remember, it would hinder us.
Although it would be interesting if we could remember.
Imagine all the history we could remember. Or people.
We would remember the way people lived in certain centuries, and such.




True. True. I'd love to have some flashbacks of different time periods lol. The thing is, though, I think we do remember, or at least our soul does. When you are not on the material plane, you will be aware of ALL that has come before. Its all part of the whole. Same with people, we'll meet them all again. Plus, I think some of us tend to incarnate together, because our soul journeys are similar. Your sister may have been your father in a past life lol. Just like you have a circle of influence, friends, family, on the physical plane, you have this in the spiritual as well. Most people of influence in your past lives are likely involved in your present incarnation. Bad in laws? You probably have something to work out there karmically haha

I was about to ask this question when I read this.

Has there been any instance where someone who is able to recall a past life, where the past life is actually in the future?


This makes sense to me, since I don't think time is linear. I wish there were more cases to read about like this!

I believe that Edgar Cayce had some writtings or something about people
who had past lives in the future. He also had some about people who had
had past lives in Atlantis. Some interesting theories also.

a lot of interesting points that are being brought up. but still. all trapped in a liniar fashon of thinking.

once free of the physical, time and space are irrelivent. they cease to exsist.

keeping this in mind, the spirit does not measure time, the physical being does.
as it is used in the colective reality to keep order to exsistance ( keeping the wheels of life turning, ie: you have to be somewhere at a certin time in order to take part in making something happen )

but the physical measure of time asside, we do not live one life after another, we live many lives at once, seperated by realities in which each part of the being is needing to learn from.
it is the consiouse mind that seperates one life from another ( inability to comprehend two lives or more at once, here is a point to ponder. someone who the world around them views as crazy. may they be trapped on the boarder of two realities/lives? )

as for the increases in the number of people on the face of the earth at this point in time?
this is a question pertaining to the true nature of creation, and creationism. yet another topic all in itself.

but thats just my opinion.

If you will visit my site and download my ebook entitled "The Mosaic of Wisdom", you can read there chapter "Migration And Moving Of Souls Along Our Planet". It will give you some ideas about this subject.

just a coupla questions...
what leads u to believe we live many lives at once ?
when u say 'once free of the physical' do u mean to imply that it's better to be non-physical ? if that were the case wouldn't everyones spirit prefer to be non-physical, or do reincarnationists believe that the spirit is forced to reincarnate as opposed to choosing to ?
and i don't think that the point about the increase in world population is another topic, surely it's a valid question pertaining to these reincarnation beliefs that must be addressed to validate it ? If spirits are reincarnated, then the population of the world would not increase ! I for one do not think that Gods creation has an upper population limit.

Min xx

is there anyone here who had past life regression or anyone who had meditated on past life?
hence only those who are meditating can give 90% truth....

anyone seen the movie "the eye 2" hehe the soul of the dead man or woman finds a pregnant woman then he/she waits until that woman will born a child and when i comes he go into the womb of that woman through their canal

Yeah he did. I've noted this on several other threads; I'm a big Edgar Cayce fan, and am a member of the ARE. I've read so many books about him its almost absurd. The Atlantis thing is interesting because the readings claim that this was when we were more spiritual beings than material. It was in Atlantis, in a physical form, that we really began to digress, getting further and further from God, which is ultimately what led to our forgetfullness of soul memory. We were all in Atlantis, supposeddly. The decadence and perversions that the Atlanteans became guilty of is actually what led to the Biblical Flood. If you're interested in this, you should check out the wonderful book based off his readings, Edgar Cayce's Story of the Origin and Destiny of Man. Very influential on some of my own views.

Can we incarnate into different time periods, then? I'm not really a believer in that, but on the other hand, I do suppose its possible. When one considers that time is purely a material product, if you will, who is to say that we wouldn't go back or forward? Maybe you would chose to do this because you could DIRECTLY atone for wrongdoings in another age. I don't know, what do you think about this Lady Boleyn? Do you think we can incarnate in different time periods?

I think it's possible.
I mean, why wouldn't we be able to do this?
To read more about Edgar Cayce visit: http://www.crystalinks.com/edgar_cayce.html
This has some really interesting info!

what leads u to believe we live many lives at once ?

on some of my astral travels i have gone through time ( seeing things and landscapes in the future and past, pertaining to my particular path ) i have also been taken to many other places in the universe ( almost like a guided tour ) that brought me to the understanding that time and space are irrelivent to the spirit.

the first 7 chakras are easy enough to understand as with how they relate to the physical world and our sense of being.
the chakras that i will just call 8 through 12 are harder to understand ( as they are not related so much to the physical world as to the spiritual world )
after the crown chakra there is one that sits about 6 feet ( 2 meters ) above the head, i have come to the understanding that this chakra is the one that connects you to the universe on the spiritual plain ( connects you to all living things, but not with the awareness of the consiousness of them ) from there the chakras get harder to explain, but lets focus on the 8th chakra.

this chakra also connects you to your other selves in other lives ( everybody gets some evidence of this when you have a conversation with yourself, you ask a question and an answer comes to you from somewhere else, may be your guide helping, or another self in another life that has an answer for you ) when a past life regression is done on someone, this chackra is the gateway for the spirit to show itself through ( looking through time and space ) or allow someone to see other aspects of the self, or lives, however you chose to interprite it.
the 8th chakra being the connection to these other selves is where time and space become fuzzy for the physical self in the spritual plain, and the first gateway to other selves.

the remaining chakras connect you to higher and higher powers and dimensions ( or levels ) and starts to get into the nature of creation.


when u say 'once free of the physical' do u mean to imply that it's better to be non-physical ? if that were the case wouldn't everyones spirit prefer to be non-physical, or do reincarnationists believe that the spirit is forced to reincarnate as opposed to choosing to ?


the physical and the spiritual are very different in many ways. a part of the reason for choosing to incarnate in the physical is what the physical has to offer over the spiritual. first being the disconection and isolation from other beings consiousness ( being able to hide motive and intent ) this leaves us to ponder and explore the nature of reality as we chose to create ( or cocreate )
as needed to bring about understanding of self ( if you have never done anything bad, you wold never understand the motivation or consequences of such actions, and therfore never have any understanding of them ) as well as physical sensations like pain, pleasure, excitment, anticipation. also things like the adrenaline rush of doing something scarry. the physical has a lot to offer, good and bad. both equaly nessasary to fully experiance what it means to be alive. if you are adept at lucid dreaming and creating what you want in the dream state, this takes a lot of fun out of things, because you know you wont be hurt ( sky diving, flying, you get the idea ) therefore the physical sensation of the adrenaline rush is not present ( a reward unto itself ) because the body dos not "have" to have fear of injury.

as with emotional conflict with others, on the spiritual there is not as much conflict in this fashion. no intent or motive is hidden, so it is more of a disagreeance then conflict ( yes there is a difference, disagreement versus fight ) with emotional conflct we have to set our own "feelings" on a particular topic asside to come to an understanding and compromize with it, learning comunication on a higher level, and the meaning of self sacrifice.

very few are forced to incarnate into a life that they do not want. but when this happens it is because of the lack of understanding of the situation of that life, or the unwillingness of understanding of that life that one must come to grips with. this does not happen very often at all, almost never.


and i don't think that the point about the increase in world population is another topic, surely it's a valid question pertaining to these reincarnation beliefs that must be addressed to validate it ? If spirits are reincarnated, then the population of the world would not increase ! I for one do not think that Gods creation has an upper population limit.


it is a valid question, but when i say that it gets into another topic, it really does.

now we are getting off line with the original intent of the thread, and i will be getting into some of the bible as well as the quaran and other philosophies.

the nature of creationism.

genises - we were created in gods image.

what does this imply?

does this mean that the apperance of what one would call god is a bipedal creature, neither male nor female ( although the argument about being male stems from the statement that adam was created first, and as such has been the argument that has been used to keep women from fully being able to atain what they are meant to be )
and in some views being a child like creature that runs things willy nilly in a fashion that allows good people to have bad things happen to them?
or a person who is an absolute ruler over everything?

for the most part the nature of what one would call god is formed around what we would chose it to be in our understanding. in essence, creating a god in the image of ourselves.
we see ourselves as a creature that is subject to the whims of the universe and situations in life, we have a hard time grasping onto a concept that what we experiance is somthing that we create ( or chose to take part in ) there are many arguments in both directions that are valid.
why would someone "chose" to get murderd, or become difigured by the act of another, or circumstance, a large debate within itself. ( i am trying to be brief with this )

or is the spirit what is truely the image of what one would call god.

so if it is the spirit that is in the image of god,
would not the spirit have the power of creation as well. and with an agreement of noninterferance in free will, would all the diferences in all we see be of our own creation? ( good and bad )
and our spirit given birth from a being that so "willed" it ( i use this term for understanding, not to spring a pile of other arguments on what can be "willed" into exsistance )
and therfore would we not be able to give life to a new spirit in the same fashion? creating new beings ( on other plains and dimensions ) that have there own life and free will?
would then these beings that are being created all the time not appear in our dimension at some point? ( our common reality )


ok, so do you see how the original question gets into another argument all together?


creation and creationism is a large topic that transgresses into many other realms ( almost any other topic ) and can be argued for lifetimes.
it is a topic that is personal to everyone, and everyone has their own views on it.

this is just my own opinion, nothing more, nothing less. take from it what you will.

Unfortunately, your reply is symptomatic of the problem inherent in two differing perspectives, or points of view... You are attempting to answer my questions from a certain point of view that accepts 'astral travel' as the norm and a verified, justifiable example of what you are trying to explain.

The problem is that 'astral travel' is not as readily accepted by the (and I use the word carefully) majority of ppl in the world today. Now whilst I admit that does not make it an incorrect assumption, it does make it a useless tool for describing personal proof or exampling for question answering.

also, I feel that your answer to the overpopulation-of-the-world-with-limited-souls question is evasive and over complicated. Firstly, my faith denys that earthly born souls or spirits in any way approach the divinity, so souls creating other souls is ruled out. period. and secondly, once ascended to heaven and in the presence of The Lord, there is no way in the eternity of time that a soul would ever want to leave that holy presence... furthermore, there would be no desire or need for Him to send us away from His love unless we wanted to... which we wouldn't.

I think I see your beliefs. A bit of a contradiction to mine though.

love Min xx

Well, according to the first law of thermodynamics, energy can be neither created nor destroyed. Thus, all souls must already be in existence.

That's true for earthly science, but doesn't apply on the spiritual plane. Kinda says that God can't do what He wants lol..
Min xx

It's actually true for universal science, as in "the universe that we live in."

And I'm perfectly capable of accepting that god might not be absolutely omnipotent, or sentient for that matter. It gets especially questionable when you consider that there are infinite possibilities concerning the truth about god or the gods. It could be a giant dead fish with laser eyes. God could be a giant unicorn. God could not exist at all. The truth is that nobody really knows anything at all about god unless you're willing to believe in what other people say is true, even though those people don't know any better than anybody else. So, you know, don't bother.

And if you're referring to the biblical "capital-G God," then you've got to be against reincarnation, because that goes against the scripture. none of the major religions using reincarnation as an after-death mechanic preach about a single, omnipotent god.

That's a good website, I've actually visited it quite a few times. Cool to see someone else interested in Cayce on here. Check out that book!

Wow lol, there's been a lot of posts on this thread since I last looked at it.

"a lot of interesting points that are being brought up. but still. all trapped in a liniar fashon of thinking.

once free of the physical, time and space are irrelivent. they cease to exsist.

keeping this in mind, the spirit does not measure time, the physical being does.
as it is used in the colective reality to keep order to exsistance ( keeping the wheels of life turning, ie: you have to be somewhere at a certin time in order to take part in making something happen )

but the physical measure of time asside, we do not live one life after another, we live many lives at once, seperated by realities in which each part of the being is needing to learn from.
it is the consiouse mind that seperates one life from another ( inability to comprehend two lives or more at once, here is a point to ponder. someone who the world around them views as crazy. may they be trapped on the boarder of two realities/lives? )

as for the increases in the number of people on the face of the earth at this point in time?
this is a question pertaining to the true nature of creation, and creationism. yet another topic all in itself.

but thats just my opinion."

....So let me see if I understand this correctly, I haven't had my energy drink at work this morning......you're basically saying that my soul has sort of split, and I'm living SEVERAL lives at once? Like I'm here in what we call the present, yet, there is another aspect of my Self, say in the 1800s, the year 2146 etc.? That's a really interesting theory, my friend. It actually makes a lot of sense; I think that is highly plausible. Lol, so if I had a past life regression under hypnosis then, what does that mean, that incarnation is OMNIPRESENTLY going on? Its as in the present as I'm lying on the sofa? Hmmmm.....do you have any more on this?


"It's actually true for universal science, as in "the universe that we live in."

And I'm perfectly capable of accepting that god might not be absolutely omnipotent, or sentient for that matter. It gets especially questionable when you consider that there are infinite possibilities concerning the truth about god or the gods. It could be a giant dead fish with laser eyes. God could be a giant unicorn. God could not exist at all. The truth is that nobody really knows anything at all about god unless you're willing to believe in what other people say is true, even though those people don't know any better than anybody else. So, you know, don't bother.

And if you're referring to the biblical "capital-G God," then you've got to be against reincarnation, because that goes against the scripture. none of the major religions using reincarnation as an after-death mechanic preach about a single, omnipotent god."

....Not true. Hinduism, while at a glance, believe in many gods, actually believe in one omnipotent god. Check out this link: http://www.hinduwebsite.com/onegod.asp. The Kabbalah. Check this link for an article on that: http://www.myjewishlearning.com/ideas_beli...tion_Jacobs.htm. Sikhism. Check out this link: http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Reincarnation. Not to mention GNOSTIC or esoteric Christianity. Just because scripture doesn't confirm reincarnation, it doesn't necessarily mean that belief in one god AND reincarnation are irreconcilable. In fact, I believe there are passages in the Bible that hint at it. If you'd like me to quote those, please let me know.


"Well, according to the first law of thermodynamics, energy can be neither created nor destroyed. Thus, all souls must already be in existence.

That's true for earthly science, but doesn't apply on the spiritual plane. Kinda says that God can't do what He wants lol..
Min xx"

.....All souls have existed since the beginning. But we choose when we incarnate. The fact that the world's population has dramatically increased does not refute this theory, it is instead, indicitive of when we come into the world. If you take into account the Edgar Cayce theory on reincarnation; the Atlantean civilization was one of great technology, and what we are seeing here is a great influx of those souls coming into the world, because WE are living in an age of great technology. This is an ideal time for their soul development, or anyone's for that matter, if you put that view aside.

"Unfortunately, your reply is symptomatic of the problem inherent in two differing perspectives, or points of view... You are attempting to answer my questions from a certain point of view that accepts 'astral travel' as the norm and a verified justifiable example of what you are trying to explain.

The problem is that 'astral travel' is not as readily accepted by the (and I use the word carefully) majorityof ppl in the world today. Now whilst I admit that does not make it an incorrect assumption, it does make it a useless tool for describing personal proof or exampling for question answering.

also, I feel that your answer to the overpopulation-of-the-world-with-limited-souls question is evasive and over complicated. Firstly, my faith denys that earthly born souls or spirits in any way approach the divinity, so souls creating other souls is rules out period. and secondly, once accended to heaven and in the presence of The Lord, there is no way in the eternity of time that a soul would ever want to leave that holy presence... furthermore, there would be no desire or need for Him to send us away from His love unless we wanted to... which we wouldn't.

I think I see your beliefs. A bit of a contradiction to mine though."

love Min xx

.....I think astral travel is highly plausible, at least in the subconscious, or lucid dream state. The results gained from such an experience, is of course a matter of debate. Why would we leave God? Because of Karma, the law of cause and effect. We want to again be A PART OF that holy presence, and to achieve this we must defeat the ego, the false sense of self, and erradicate our negative karma. It takes many, many lives to achieve this. To truly be one with the Creator, we must work to become as we were before the Fall, as God intended.