I'm sorry to pick out all the atheist here, but I'm a Christian and i'm not here to offend anyone here about their believe. But yea, would you guys die for your cause/religion/belief?

It's neither a cause or a religion, and yes I would and will die saying there is no god quite happily too I might add

Okay...now was your life say happily, well, bad, etc. what?

my life as all others has had it's up and downs but i do not see how that would have anything to do with my beliefs have a good day and have fun on the forum

As a Christian myself... I can say that I would not die for my religion exclusively...

BUT

I would stand up and possibly risk imprisonment and/or death for EVERYONE's right to practice their faith. It isn't limited to just my own.

I have no religion to die for... What do you think Atheism is?

But yeah, Lotus, I'll die in acknowledgment of no diety.

can you give a hypothetical situation where by being a non-theist is going to lead to my death? You imply i would have a choice... in which case i would have to denounce my non believing?..... or something?
is that what you mean?

sorry im having a hard time understand where your coming from with this one.

What difference does that make?

Or is this just a snide attempt to paint atheists as "people who have nothing to live for anyhow"? The reason I ask is because I do not see the validity of this follow up question in regards to the original question.

Would you die for your beliefs?
Would you die to defend the freedom of others?

Would the quality of your life influence your choice?

I was raised Catholic, I'll die an Atheist.

Atheism is not a religion, it's a belief that god/satan/brahma/yaweh/cosmic muffin that talks to you in your sleep/whatever does not exist.

Although I might be tempted to die for the freedom of Atheists everywhere to continue the practices of their disbeliefs.

I didnt know they had a religion lol

they do have a belief..they believe there is no religion or God..or if ya like they are ANTI RELIGIOUS and disbelieve in God


I am not an atheist...but I sure wouldnt die for my faith...whats the point in that??

the only thing I would die for is my child <--my kid is far more important than any religion or God for that matter..........reason being, I am 1000000% responcible for my kid...I am not responcible for God or religion

Mother way before faith

I know you was asking the OP but I thought of one

What of Jesus, peace be upon him, came down and said "follow religion or you will die right now"

Then I would die.

well the point here is, if you choose to die for your belief, your a confident person. If you choose to die for a person, your a caring person. if you choose not to decide for your belief, then you are weak......thats what im trying to say..

Why are all the rude arrogant christians drawn here??

WTF is wrong with you??? I take it you have no kids to die for

Have some respect for other peoples beliefs and responces...

ive already reported your illmannered behaviour elsewere...doing it again

forum rules are here for a reason


I suggest you read em --> Please always respect the beliefs of other members. The bashing of specific religions, countries, races or belief systems is strictly disallowed. A lot of the topics in this section cover some sensitive areas and it is important to respect other people's views. This means no flaming, no flamebaiting, no trolling and no personal attacks.

IF some greater being than myself came down from some great unknown place and said, "Today, you have a choice, believe in me or die!" If I didn't feel that being was something I would want to believe in, I would choose death.

LOL how are you telling me that I am flaming onto other people...I said people (in general) who wouldn't die in what they believe are weak...general, not everyone in here like you.


No about kid, i have a brother who i have to raise since age 13. His real father died and now I'm here helping him grow...maybe your the crazy one here blasting me...am i wrong? or am i right? thats what i mean, i see that the fact theres no respect in your comments to me, i see defeat.......I never said you're wrong and respected what you said...i was just pulling a point....so yea

My comments to you dont hold respect, because all you have done is put down every last non christian that claims they would die for their kid quicker <---------------you asked the question...you got your reply and what did you do???

You only gone and told us all that if we would die for our kids ect..and not a faith..we are WEAK.............<-----------that itself doesnt deserve my respect

Its people like you with those sort of comments, that put others off religion...the more of it I read, the more i am turned off it...why would I wantto be a part of something, that generates arrogance towards other faiths?? WHY?? When I was brought up much better than that
For every arrogant post.I read..only feel too glad im not one of them............I have good morals and class myself decent....

Nowere in the bible does it state - if you would die for your kid and not your faith, you are weak!!!

The rules apply to everyone, calling someone 'a rude, arrogant christian' is just as bad as any insult perceived to have been inflicted on yourself, let's try to keep that in mind. General advisory to everyone participating in this discussion, keep the comments relatively civil and refrain from engaging in personal observations with those you disagree with, they're non-productive and aggravating. Thank you for your co-operation.

Exactly my point.
Thank you Cherry, for elaborating on my brief reply

So basically, if you don't die for you beleive in - what's the point in living if all you're gonna do is kill youself for a belief that has no basis of fact - but instead choose to die for someone else regardless of what your faith dictates. You're weak?

I think it's the opposite, if you die for someone else - IE: jumping infront of someone who's about to be shot for either; love, caring, you've had enough of killing, to wake people up against whatever law violating it is (does not include war, death penalty or stopping a tyrant) is more courageous than dieing for some god who wouldn't give a damn - why would it, it's a god, you're like an ant to it. I doubt you care if an ant kills itself.

well sorry to quickly go through that...what i meant is, if someone asked you would you die for your kid (not belief), you are a caring person with morals but if you choose not to die for your belief, then your an animal ...no to be serious, im sorry to go over that...i was gonna try and say that you are a caring person, the same i would do you kno. But i asked my fellow friends and all of them said yes...the one who said no said "i dunno its tough cause i wanna live but i dont want to find out quickly if there is a God or no." What i meant by weak is that you keep questioning about life and all about it, you are in a weak mind state...I always said this "If you question about stuff that aren't answer, you end up nowhere." and whats nowhere in life? So Beckys mom sorry to disrespect you like that but i should, im not a good typist and i sort get off topic and type in 3 different areas. If we talked, i assure i would be more clear

As an atheist I would say it depends....of sorts.

A great all power being comes down and tells me to choose to follow religion, theirs or one of my choosing, or die then I will choose death. Besides, if they are all powerful wouldn't they be able to see into my mind and know whether I will worship or perish anyways? Then if I said yes I would worship a religion and I was lying would they not know anyways and just kill me? Kind of pointless to be discussing this one.

A whole lot more realistic scenario is a government coming in and saying I have to follow a certain religion or perish. In this case I would lie and go through the motions of someone following said religion all the while doing my part to plan/act out an overthrow of such a government. Mind you if I was caught I would end up being killed so in a way I still am willing to die though not so much my beliefs or lack there of but more for the freedom to choose and everyone to live their life the way they see fit.

Though this has me thinking. Such governments have and do still exist. I think if you look at it you have several different people. People willing to accept the religion and truthfully worship accordingly, people going along with things because they are afraid to die or have family members killed, people going along with things while plotting an end to such oppression and then those who stand up and die right away. I think history has shown us that there have always been these four basic types of people. They are the same types of people you will always find I think.

A persons choice probably has little to do with what type of life they have led, how happy they are with their lives etc. Someone who has had a miserable life and wishes to die may still fear it enough that they go along with things. They may think this religion is the answer and will make them happy. They might find a anti-religion cause as something they are willing to fight for and maybe die for. Someone who has had a wonderful life may die a martyr because of the freedoms or values they hold dear. They may want to hold on to that wonderful life and go along with things for fear of losing it. They may willingly accept the religion and practice it accordingly. It is a very personal question and is one to think about. We can all post what we think we would do but until it happens who knows what one will choose? Mind you the oppressive government forcing you to practice a certain religion or die isn't to far fetched really.

Kevin A.

Again your comments are disrespectful towards what I believe

I care for my kid like any good mother should....I believe in my child, I believe in guiding her...I believe in myself as a mother, i believe in her life...that makes it a belief as a mother

I wouldnt die for my belief...simply because I am smart enough to know i cannot proove for cert God does exist..so I wouldnt take that chance

You are just a teenager, you havent given birth...whhen that times comes and all of a sudden you see life from a different angle...then you will know

God doesnt need me to wanna die for him....God is the allmighty...he doesnt need me to feel responcible for him either..................and he doesnt think I am WEAK

your not and i think you are right, i didnt have birth (or I think i'll never have so because im a man lool) But im an adult, 20 actually...and i think your response is correct. But you dont question so you're not weak....true God doesnt want you to die instead he would settle that...cool

I don't see many situations were that would help the problem.

If a group of atheists attacked a church or churches, it would only lead to yet another mass hysteria in believers so they can "solve their grief with god" or "strengthen their convictions" of nothing... This happened after 9/11 in this country. Believers all around got into this idea that they could sense the attack or the "evil" coming. Of course once one story got out, the mass hysteria took hold from one liar to many liars who all had the "same feeling" and that somehow was justified to believers. When in reality the same force that attacked on 9/11 was used that very same day to grieve. Sad really.

So unless I'm stuck in a christian death camp or such, I really don't see how I would be able to sacrifice my life and still achieve the goals I want.

Best to push against the religion, using it's own religion against them and real world situations.

And Kratos... I, who is a Christian, would die or risk imprisonment to ensure that you could continue to be an Atheist... I don't see anything inherently wrong with being an Atheist; I can't be one, but I will stand up and support your right to choose no religion.

What would an atheist hope to gain by dying for their belief?

Why would you MW... it almost sounds like the verbiage that is used to justify war young men killing other young men by saying one is fighting for freedom, yet the place to start is to recognize that if one has to die for something or it requires soemthing it is not for freedom but for continued slavery.....

contrary to fairy tales one woudlnt gain anything by dying they would be dead... including a thesit... even the tales are generated to mask ones fear of death to beleive in paradises and day spas or eternal life is a way to comfort the fearful... IMO ...

This whole topic is a waste of space. You obviously don't know that atheism is not a religion in the first place. Are you catagorizing all n/b's as atheists? I'm a n/b but not an atheist and yes I live a relatively happy existence without entities. Would I die for my nonbelief? No
I don't ever see it coming down to that and why should it have to. We should be able to peacefully co-exist on this planet and believe whatever we choose without having to die for it. I would never be so insensitive to tell you or anyone else how to believe or that they had to die if they didn't believe a certain way.

The way I see it, without being biased, is that if an atheist dies and they are right they don't gain anything. If they're wrong, they could face some sort of consequence for not believing in some type of faith/God.

We wouldn't be gaining anything by it personally, but if it allowed my fellow Atheists to continue to be free to choose non-religion I'd do it. It's called selflessness. Also, being an Atheist, I don't believe in an afterlife, so there is nothing to gain, nothing to lose, nothing to fear, and nothing to look forward to about death, it's just something that happens. So if someone chooses to, why not go out with a bang, eh?

Atheism can be considered a religion. There are actually atheist groups that organize over their beliefs, like an atheist church or something.

Religions require deities to be considered a "religion" which is why Buddhism is not a religion, it is a system of beliefs, because Siddartha is not worshipped, nor did he ever claim to be a deity.


Same way, Atheists are not religious people because not only do we not have a god, we believe that there is NO god.

thats silly IMO..... one has to be fearful to live in that paradigm, it preys onthe insecure... that is what you arent' seeing..one who lives beyond fear has no need for such lore.....you are in doubt one has no need to defend or prove anything when one is confident in their beleifs one rarely mentions them... relgion cretes dependency.... its observable that hells and boogey mans are the stuff of the fearful... It may serve you to understand the nature of fear... you see you cling to your faith as it holds the fear at bay and the thought of this being made up I bet terrifies you?? am i correct.. what if you found out this is all made up???

I really wish that you would cite some evidence for these claims you make.

Any linkage? source? Or is it just your word?

The definition of religion...1. The service and worship of god or the supernatural...2.A personal set or institiutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs and practices....Merriam-Webster
Nope, doesn't sound like something atheists would be involved in, sorry. There are groups of atheists around the world that hold meetings and they usually consist of seperation of church and state issues and civil rights issues.

Buddhism actually aknowledges the possible existence of deities. They just don't view them as immortal or all-powerful

As I said in another thread, if you are believing or acting, in the hopes of getting 'rewarded', then you are doing so for the wrong reason.

So many times have I heard the statement "but isn't better to believe, just in case?", or variations thereon.
Don't y'all think that this "almighty, all powerful" deity you profess to believe in would see that it is just a ploy?
And didn't one of your own gospel writers warn against "luke warm" believers?

B I N G O.

It's not entirely about religion, it's about social equality and freedom of belief (or lack thereof) ... something I believe in a great deal AND something that my faith stands by rather well... religiously.

My faith is intertwined with my social and civic responsibilities, the two are for me inseparable. But I suppose that's not something everyone would understand.

For me, it's not about reward either. I do not have any idea what will happen when I die. I expect that it will be the right thing, whatever that is. It's not something I give a lot of thought to mostly because it's mental masturbation... I decided a long time ago that it's my job to make sure that what's done with my time here is what is important. I have stuff to do here and now, and I take it seriously and can't be distracted with contemplating my navel wondering if I'm gonna be saved.

WWF We were posting at the same time and I didn't want you to miss this one. The definition of religion...1. The service and worship of god or the supernatural...2.A personal set or institiutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs and practices....Merriam-Webster
Nope, doesn't sound like something atheists would be involved in, sorry. There are groups of atheists around the world that hold meetings and they usually consist of seperation of church and state issues and civil rights issues.

Yes, but they don't worship them, that's my main point, and it all really depends on what sect of Buddhism you're talking about, the Chinese Buddhists are very interested in deities, as well as the Vajrayanas, who believe in the old Tibetan gods. Opposite to this are the Mahayana and Tendai Buddhists who really don't much believe in deities at all.

Depends what dicitionary you use if you want to go by that.

Atheists have their own churches, there are just many atheists who don't go. Just like any other religion.

Please back up your claims with a source.

Otherwise, stop swilling tripe.

Thank you

hahaha, there are 3 Atheists who attend my church.... we love 'em... one of 'em makes the best Mexican pasta salad I've ever had.

The only thing resembling an Atheist "church" I've ever experienced is just sort of meeting one or two times a week and most of the time we end up talking politics and stuff, not about how faithful we are to nothing.

No worries, I think the Merriam-Webster Collegiate is good enough

From dictionary.com
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

Your religion could include definition 1,3, or 6

You're not paying attention again. I am not atheist.
Actually 6 would be the only one remotely related up until the last part. The rest of them are relating to the religious.