So, what happens if some of the most famous of cryptids were publicly discovered, and proven? By that I mean being witnessed by thousands, filmed, physical evidence gathered, and in more than one location and time.

Now what happens if the creature interacts with people (talking with, eating, etc...).

Basically, take your favorite cryptids, now have proof of their existence, and public interaction with people. This isn't about weather they are real, but the consequences of what that reality would mean. What would people do? What would you do?

I would take out my checkbook of mythylogical creatures (haven't made yet but wuld make on that day once I hear of it),

and be like check DRAGONS!

Sphinx and others vacant but if dragons exist why not them =p.

I'd simply accept that the cryptid in question exists... then probably just jump back on UM and continue disputing the existence of others.



If it were a Loch Ness monster, I'd be a bit concerned if it started talking to people or eating them

What people would do is go on with their daily lives, then occassionaly go see one of these creatures at the zoo, or buy one as a pet.....



LOL

Hmmm...I would probably look at the images and videos of any such creature and then ponder the meaning of life for the millionth time in my life. Although I would probably be the first person to wonder what it's flesh tastes like.

However, if it could talk, I would ask it what the meaning of "42" is.

first, move them from cryptozoologi list, and put into natural or science section. and let's have them as this crypto section thread mods. maybe they know something we dont know about other cryptids

well most people would freak out and would probably try to hunt them down and either catch them or kill them, which is probably why they don't show them selves

As for me I would try to date a werewolf, kitsune, or dragon or other cryptids I like

Call whatever proof fake.

Obvious forgeries.

Laymen are easily decieved.

I still don't understand why this topic is called "Dragons in the news..."

Anyway, I would probably call some people up and tell them, and then find out which genus, family, order, etc, etc they were placed into. Wait for blood tests to show what they actually are, etc, etc.

But it will never be dragons

Joel.

That's on par with the question: What would you do if you won a million dollars? I tend not to deal in hypoyheticals of that particular nature, they serve no purpose other than to exasperate, IMO.

Its very simple dude. Essentially all of those things have apparently occured between dragons and humans, unlike other cryptids. There are legends going back thousands of years in cultures all over the world about dragons talking to people, helping them, giving them rides, etc. No other cryptid in the world has had so much written about them. Yahweh of the Bible was originally the storm dragon Enlil. And at least one quarter of the world believes in him.

The thing is though. I don't believe in dragons. So how could I believe in them speaking, giving rides, etc.

I find it hard to thing a six limbed reptile exists, seeing as how the only things in the world with more than 4 legs are mutants, and invertabrates.

Joel.

Check out the Draco lizards. They have four feet and their wings are made from extended ribs. But they can only glide.

Virtually everybody believed in dragons for all of human history until only about the last two hundred years. And virtually all of the reptilian cryptids seen today are probably "dragons", for as large creatures go, only ones of great intelligence could avoid detection by mankind, unless they return to the ocean. There could easily be dragons there, for the giant squid has only been photographed last year, and they would not be as smart as a dragon.

Dragons do only have 4 limbs, some also have wings

Exactly, bring it to a total of 6 limbs. Sort of like chickens, they have wings, which are modified arms. You don't see birds walking around with a set of wings, along with a set of forelegs.




So you are trying to tell me that a 20 foot or, larger, reptile glides around on its rib cage?

Anyway, can you re-word the last part of your post, it doesn't make sense to me the way you have written it.

Joel.

100 million years of evolution by turn some of those ribs into true wings. Or it is possible some of the depictions are not correct, and dragons only have hind legs and wings lie reptilian pterosaurs. Dragons are depicted both ways.

I realize that they are depicted in both ways. The broblem with the latter depiction though, is that a dragon with forearms developed as wings, is that they would have to have a large wingspan, coupled with a abnormal amount of muscles in their chests to support their large bulk in flight. Either that or it would have amazingly lightweight skeletal structure.

Anyways, I don't believe this to be possible, because if they did exist there would be some kind of Convergent evolution, to prove their existence.

ALSO, if these animals have been depicted for thousands of years, why all of a sudden have they disappeared? My conclusion is that they never existed, probably missing identities of fossils.

Although there may be no connection, dragons seem to have "made themselves scarce" just about the same time firearms were coming into use. Swords and arrow don't seem to bother them much, but they apparently don't like guns.

You are speaking as if they are real animals, with the emotional comprehension of a human, or higher. As if you even knew a dragon personally.

Deer don't like guns either I suppose, but they don't "make themselves scarce" as you so aptly put it.

yea i saw a dragon yesterday, it swooped down and looked at me. it was HUGE, but whats the point saying this, when everyone is gonna just say get off the bong.







this is a joke, lols just to prove that if someone did say something like this, everyone would critisize that person, not me though. oh no

Yes, but nearly all of the ancient accounts state that dragons have a greater than human intelligence. Our ancestors all over the world state they are responsible for the Neolitic revoltution and taught mankind agriculture and animal husbandry. Why would humans all over the world believe such an outlandish idea? Yahweh of the flood, a diety believed in by at least one third of the world was originally one of these dragons though few people remember this today. While this does not sound very "scientific" there are many scientists who believe "we" are not just the randon mixture of chemicls at the right temperature. If there is some "intelligence" behind all of this, perhaps some ancient reptile was "enhanced" by it millions of years ago with the mission of protecting and assisting a future race that would be us. And as for flight, science has seriously studied psychic abilities, particularly in the form soviet union. Creatures that have been intelligent for over 70 million years might have great abilities such as TK that might make flight, for one thing possible, for such a large creature, and this would explain the uniformly small wings, used more for guidance than lift. Perhaps they can even control our minds if someone accidentally sees one, and "suggest" we are only seeing a rock, vehile, or if in the air , a "flying saucer".

And like I siad, if there is a species of animals most often that not their will be convergent evolution, or an off shoot species

Anyway, back to your reply.



This diety, 'Yaweh' for being so popular, how come I haven't heard one thing about him ever. You also claim that a third of the worlds population(6,600,000,000 people) believes in him Atleast. So atleast 2,200,000,000 which is 2 billion 200 million people believe in him atleast. This figure is subject to rise as you claim.

And, if these 'dragons' are so intelligent, more intelligent that us even, even as intelligent to be psychic, how come they cower from guns, why couldn't they just use a mind-shield or similar technology. How come they don't make peace with humans, and try and overcome problems with our economy, religions, and politics?

This is starting to sound like something out of Scientology. Ridiculous.

Joel.

Yahweh is the Christian God, hebrew transliteration.

Okay, thank you. That makes sense.

The rest of my previosu reply stuill stands.

Depends on how intelligent they would be compared to us. For example.. why don't we try and reason with fire ants? They can bite us and hurt us, even though we are much larger. But what do most people do with fire ants? They avoid them, they aren't worth the trouble of dealing with.

The difference between the two examples though is the fact you are talking about a sentient being vs. a none sentient being, while i'm talking about two sentient being.

Like I said, if they are intelligent enough, to them we may be no more intelligent than an animal. Also depending on your definition.. animals are sentient (most definition don't require self awareness etc.. just sensory perception.. so a rock isn't sentient and animal / insect is) There are animals that tests have found are self-aware and possibly self-conscious (dolphins, great apes, elephants)... we don't go around trying to make peace with them. We cage them and try and train them, and test things on them. If you were an intelligent/wise enough being.. looking at humans.. we would be to great apes, what great apes are to monkeys - one or two steps more intelligent.

I'm looking at sentience as having a defined language, culture history, technology, etc. Things a normal civilization would have, things that 'any plain ol' animal couldn't muster'. Though the animals you have mentioned are caged and tested on, it is for the purpose that we may learn more about the species on a whole, granted being a hypocrite I must also go against what I said and agree with you, because of animal testing etc. Aswell I also agree in what you said in the steps from monkeys to Humans, you are absolutely correct.

Though I am still curious about these "dragons" if they really existed, scrolls and stories are being brought up, but there is still a lack of hard proof, no 'protodragons' in the fossil records. Unless... The actually came from off planet? Just kidding.

Joel.

To that I have no answer, though Draconic Chronicler has many theories on the subject. The only thing I have to add to this would be, unless we can reliably reproduce it, or have a physical example of it, basically any observation or 'evidence' would be discarded (and no I'm not saying this is an unsound practice). Until recently the giant squid was thought to be mythical, even though there were many reported sighting by mariners, no one would believe them because no modern scientist had found evidence of them.

You read my mind!

Not entirely true. For decades we have had proof of giant and/or collasal squid, through the evidence of washed up carcasses, and the teeth and scars from sucktion cups found on/in whales.


Joel.

We have a winner for funniest post ever! Really, man, how would you go about picking up a werewolf? Enquiring minds want to know.

True enough, though if the Wiki article is to be believed, the first modern physical evidence was found around 1861.

Best way to pick up a werewolf? Hang out in the supermarket near the hamburger...or the steak.

Wear shred friendly clothing.

Avoid silver as fashion accessories.

Don't shave for a few months, we werewolves luuuuuuuuuuuv au natural.

And last but surely not least, frequent Comic Cons and Ren Fairs....with a shirt that says:

" I Heart furry bipedal drooling psychopaths with an active imagination!"

Probably be no different from dating a normal human except that she can shape shift and probably be more gluttenous, so a all you can eat buffet would be a good place to take her

Well on the topic of Dragons, we need to think of dragons as more than just physical creatures that lives on earth. Of course if they were just huge reptilian animals, we would fine remains, but what if they were more than that? What if they were otherwordly, or could phase in and out of our dimesnion? Just thinking outside the box here

Exactly. Ancient cultures all over the world describe similar "dragons" that were their gods, and taught them technologies. They are clearly not just some big reptile or we would have found their remains by now My upcoming book draws on the ancient legends and attempts to explain why ancient man worshipped and recorded these and why some of the elusive cryptic animals still reported today may be the same dragons believed in by our ancestors. Check out all of my posts here and you will see what I mean.

And there is also a good discussion I started on Theology Web Campus, Is the Biblical Yahweh Actually a fire-breathing Dragon?

actually the idea of GOD being a dragon is kind of neat. Of course that would burst so many bubbles but yay, it's a neat theory

I still don't believe it. Even if they can 'phase' they are still bound to die eventually, and they would probably atleast one of them would have died on Earth. ITs almost like their Necrons from Warhermm 40K! Who phase back to their mothership when thay are destroyed in battle!

WOW!

You have said nothing to me as of yet, to even make me consider the existence of dragons.

Joel.

well maybe bones have been found, just not complete skeletons. Same with the fossel idea, fossels probably have been found but no one has found a complete skeleton and so they assume it's a dinosaur

Well it can actually be generalized that its a dinosaur, by the shape, and texture of bones, aswell as by the time period that the rock it came from. Also by seeing as how Dragons don't actually exist.

And how do you know that they don't actually exist?

Well, I don't know for an actual fact. What does one actually know. Everything to Religion to evolution to even the rules of Pythagorean are just Theories, ready to be disproven at a moments notice.

I just haven't seen anything at all that yet claims that Dragons have existed. Making claims like "They live in another dimension!" arn't very accurate, because even another dimension hasn't been proven to exist. Just theories.

True, I agree with that. But it is easier to prove some things existance then it is to disprove it.

My reason for why I beleave that they atleast existed is just so many stories from around the world

And I believe that they are made up because of the amount of fossils found around the world. There isn't a single place they haven't been found, even the Antarctic has had its fair share of fossil discoveries. Thats why I believe all dragon portraits and skeletons can be based of the discovery of fossilized bones and/or teeth of large extinct reptiles.

I can understand that, but then you have the encounters of the said creatures. Maybe the dragons don't exist but then could that mean that humans have been having encounters with diosaurs? For example like Nessie could be a plesiosaur or even a nothosaur

I actually do believe that the Loch Ness Monster, and related monsters are indeed prehistoric aquatic reptiles. That also why I believe in the Mokele Mbembe. I see it as, if crocodiles, lizards, turtles, snakes, caiman, alligators and all other reptiles could survive a mass extinction, why not a select group of Saurians? Thats my reasoning, sometimes I wonder if there is even a place that is untouched by time, sort of like Jurrasic Park, or Skull Island out of King Kong, though not as played up as Hollywood.

Well the island isla Nublar does exist, so who knows. Actually I have some theories on certain cryptids being saurians. Like the Chupacabra may be some sort of dinosaur, maybe a heterodontosaurus or a raptor

No, the creator God cannot be a dragon, but he modified ancient reptiles into his assistants millions of years before there were any people. These are what people call "dragons" and this is why there are legends of them helping mankind develope all over the word.

But it is pretty ironic that the Sumerain storm dragon Enlil has been mistaken as the "God" of about one fifth of the world population.

Well, if werewolves or vampires were ever proven to exist, which they won't be, by the way I would probably condone their public hunting and get myself a nice were-hide leather jacket.