When I was really young maybe 6 or 7 my family owned a house in the forest, I remember a week of terror as you might call it, there was something coming around our house at night, the first 1 or 2 nights I saw the shadows of it passing by my window and heard various scratching noises and loud grunts. The night after that I was watching the shadows pass by as I often did when the creature stoped right in front of my window and stared in at me, the moonlight reflected off its eyes giving them a glowing look, they were red, I also recall other shimmering things on it's face possably fangs or other things like that. Does anyone know what this may have been?

Could have just been the normal night animal noises and your imagination ran away with you. It happened to me all the time when I was younger. Were the lights on in your room, do you remember? Could have been reflections from inside playing tricks on you. The more you eliminate what it wasn't, the closer you get to what it was.

Im getting sick of all these people seeing things that arent there tbh...
When i was little i used to *see* all of those things to, but if u rly thing good! U KNOW FOR SURE!
Thats its just ur mind. By believing in it so hard u think that is something there...
And also some people do this for attention lol

I suppose it could have been my imagination, The lights in my room as I recall were off, I am compleatly sure I didn't fall asleep I wasn't dreaming it. I'm pretty sure I wasn't imagining it, and there wasn't many thing in my room that would reflect in such a way even if my lights had been on...

Yeah a lot of people do just make up things for attention, but this isn't, it may have been my imagination, I think it was real but that is why I posted it on here, so if it was real I can find out what it was..

i understand. But mostly the human brain thinks things.. I would have about 10 storys from my childhood. But if i think back, really hard... I kinda start thinking... Is this all my brain tricking me? I have not one evidence... Without evidence ur nothing... that is the biggest problem

Very true, that's what bites you in the ass in the end, no evidence basically to most people means it never happened.

Yep... Thats why i dont even bother posting em...
And prob, its not even true what i will be saying.
I am scared that i would be lieing for some stupid animal who prob dont even exist lol

If you think about it, there's no evidence of most of the things we do every day. You just have to take people at their word most of the time. But when you're talking about some kind of crazy mystery beast, you have to have something to back you up.

How tall was this thing, if you remember? Did it walk on four legs or two? What sort of noises did it make, other than the grunts? What did the grunts sound like?

We had a manufatured home so the windows were fairly high, I saw the thing from it's "chest" up so I would say it was maybe 5 1/2 to 6 feet tall at least. It was on two legs I remember it reached up to scratch it's head at one point and I saw claws, they were maybe 1 or 1 1/2 inches long. It seemed to be covered in hair but there wasn't really any way for me to tell, the moonlight only hit it's face and it wasn't very strong so it only reflected from the eyes and teeth, and gave a rough outline. There isn't really any way to describe the grunting sound, But I remember hearing very heavy raspy breathing from it, my window was halfway open the night it stoped as I recall.

You didnt by chance live in California or in that general region did you?

I lived in the northern part of Arizona at that time.

So near California, yes.

Sounds about right, this is a pretty common mystery creature description from that region. Most of the time associated with skinwalkers, or something similar... The red eyes are the feature that stands out most in these reports. Pretty spooky characters, and your window open and everything.

Yeah but all I've read about skinwalkers is, they generally don't mess with non-Indians. At least without reason. Are you Native, perhaps, Wyatt? Were you near or on a reservation at all?

Yes, that is what makes me so spooked when I think that a screen was all that separated me and this creature.

I am native to Arizona, I was born here, and still live here, just not in the northern part anymore. I have some Native american blood in me, but I Am mainly Mexican And White. What are skinwalkers, I haven't heard of them before?

where is the battleangel haha! I don't think skinwalkers only bother Native American's, generally if your in their range they will visit you regardless if they feel the need. I would say their window visits are more out of curiosity than malicous intent. I suggest reading the thread on skinwalker reports, it's very long but I think you will find it insightful

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...c=26464&hl=
happy hunting

Thanks.

It was your dad.

Not to sound funny, but it could have been a child molester.

Sssooo, sorry to ask this, but what is the difference between a skinwalker and a wendigo? They sound pretty similar to me...

The Wendigo legend comes from the far north, it is a legend to many native peoples of a man who has out of real need or choice, consumed human flesh, thus he became a monster that is always hungry for human flesh. He dwells in the forests ever ready to take his next victim, though descriptions of the Wendigo may change from group to group, he is basically the Boogey Man of the Native people in Canada and the Northern US.
Skinwalkers are more like dark medicine men of Navajo tradition, they are closely tied to Coyote, the trickster. They don animal skins and take on the behavior and characteristics of an animal and are said to work black magic. Once part of the Navajo culture, the skinwalkers had a falling out with the tribe shortly after the European invasion and bitterness has not worn off yet.

^ yeah, the wendigo is almost more of a person turning into a cannibal. it needs to go out and eat meat

I hear mothman or chupacabra have red eyes,but mothman does not scratch,also,scratching is supposed to signify evil from what I have read,but I have no idea if its true

huh?.....creatures scratching is supposed to mean their evil?
so my friend has a hell cat, but only when he wants to come inside i guess.
id assume thats probably not true. however the red eyes is what ive heard too

Yeah, and what is mothman doing in Arizona? And as for his description, it was bipedal so that rules out chupacabra as well. Perhaps it was a rogue Sasquatch.

That is like the coolest band name EVER!

I considered the possibility of it being a sasquach but if it was it was not a very old one, or at least from I hear aren't they supposed to grow to like 7 or 8 feet high?

It could have been a Nuwashi

It could have been a female Sasquatch. They could possibly be shorter than the males, around 5.5 feet to 6.5 feet tall.

That sounds about right, that may also explain the non-agressiveness.What is that?

sorry for spelling problem, it's spelled Nuwisha. But basicly a werecoyote

I see, so like a werewolf but a bit smaller?

probably not that smaller except in animal form. Keep in mind you shouldn't use hollywood when you think of a werewolf. Also it could've been other types of shapeshifter too.

Here are a couple experiences of my own with skinwalkers. Not sure if thats what you saw, but whatever. Both sightings were around the time I was 16-17 years old.
Once I was driving back from a lake at about 6 in the morning. The sun was just coming up, light enough to just see the surroundings. I was alone trying to make it back to town before I had track practice. I saw something move out of the corner of my eye, it was running at around 65 mph at a V towards my truck. As it got closer I could see it was an indian woman. It got about a foot away from the passenger side window and was staring with a blank look on its face. Creepiest thing that has ever happened to me. Another sighting was very brief. I was spotlighting with friends and my best buddy shined the light on what he thought was a deer. I could only see it for maybe about 3 seconds but it was a very large deer standing straight up in the air. Not like a regular deer would do(not that they do that anyways) Anyways, both me and my buddy were the only ones to see it.

both of the sightings were by a piute and navajo indian reservation in southern Utah, right on the border of arizona. RIght on them actually.

My uncle served on a mormon church misson on a navajo reservation and you wouldnt believe some of his stories. Men jumping hundreds of feet in the air, etc.

id like to know more about shapshifters anyone have any links for me

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shapeshifting

thanks but i already had that one i was hoping someone might have other links for shape shifting

Sounds like something out of a Lovecraft story. Mind you I say that about everything like... Maybe it was Mr Pickman.

that's probably the best thing out there except maybe talking to a shape shifter it self

Wyatt, considering that you were living in N. Arizona at the time and based on what you describe with the eyes and breathing in particular, I'm almost certain that what you saw was a skinwalker (yenaldlooshi). The way that you describe it having "shimmering things" about its face is dead on for a skinwalker. Skinwalkers use pastes to add to their "masks" and these are both white and black. The white paint is not like the clown paint that one would immediately think of. It glows a little for whatever reason. This is why there are so many comparisons of skinwalkers and ghosts. I remember the one that I saw was a breathtaking white to the point where it seemed to glow in the darkness of the night. The white paste is just not the same as clown paint.

The sounds that skinwalkers make are also pretty much along the lines as you describe. They DO speak in Navajo but, for the most part, the noises they utter will be animal-like--grunts, whines, whimpers, growls and so on. They will scratch at windows and exterior walls and they definitely have a propensity for being peeping toms. There are so many accounts just like yours where something was outside, making some odd noises and looked in the window. Who knows why they like to do that. 99.9% of skinwalker activity is, however, non-aggressive but pure terror tactics. A good night for a skinwalker would be easily obtaining and planting whatever they need without being shot at or having any direct contact with their intended victim(s). That's not to say that they won't harm or kill anyone--they will if need be and are very capable of it.

A misconception that has cropped up on this thread is that skinwalkers will not go after non-natives. That is terribly wrong. A good 50% of the sightings that I have collected have been reports from non-natives. In fact, some of the more drawn out encounters have involved non-native families because they were unequipped to be confronted with a bit of Navajo mythos in the middle of the night. Skinwalkers will be very brazen with non-native families. The reason is quite simple: non-natives living out here are some of the easiest marks for skinwalkers. The difference between how a native family will react to skinwalkers and a non-native is huge. Most native families, if living in rural circumstances, would not hestitate to grab guns and start firing at skinwalkers. This is because the lore has it that it is perfectly okay to shoot a skinwalker. A skinwalker is so abominable in its actions that it has been stripped of its humanity by tribal view. Us non-natives, however, are going to be significantly less likely to be firing guns at something that we aren't even sure what it is. It's a difference between growing up with something and its lore and coming into an area to encounter the same thing with no prior knowledge. Skinwalkers are at a kind of war with people--both their own tribe, the surrounding tribes (the majority of tribes out here were long standing enemies of the Navajo) and with white and hispanic peoples. Most likely, from their viewpoint, we're all bad. The Navajo are bad for ousting them from the tribe. The Ute, Zuni and Acoma for long standing wars. The Hopi probably have it the worst because the fighting is still ongoing between the two tribes. Hispanic because of the history of the spanish in the area and european backgrounds--well, scorched earth and the long walk didn't happen THAT long ago... Skinwalkers are equal opportunity terrorists.

Burtontool,

Those are some pretty good skinwalker sightings. The speed thing always is interesting. They can't keep up great speeds for very long but they can long enough for somebody to get a good look at them. She probably wasn't running at 65 mph. Think about how it is when you pass a car that is going a few mph slower than you are. You don't pass them in a blink. It takes a few. If you had been going a little slower, I have no doubt that she could've kept up. There's a story that I was told by a Navajo man where he had the opposite experience, timewise. For him, it was dusk and he encountered a group of skinwalkers, running towards his truck at a V, on their way to wherever they were going that night. You encountered one going home. Kind of cool. Alot of stories do have them rising up on their two legs to make it very clear that they are not an animal.

Deer are probably the first animals that skinwalkers sought to emulate. There's a Navajo story about how a hunter wanted to improve their hunting and thought to use the skin of a deer to dupe more deer. One of the Yei'bei'chii came down and helped teach this hunter how to perfectly emulate a deer. This was before skinwalking became so corrupt and perverted. It's almost ironic that skinwalkers most likely preserve some very old traditions of the Navajo.

Your uncle, considering his situation, probably had one heck of a time out here as a mormon missionary. Missionaries, from any creed, that opt to live out here can have some pretty wild encounters. One of my husband's favorite stories is about a Christian minister and his wife who came to live out in Fort Defiance. They were so terrorized by skinwalkers and so obstinate about offers of assistance from their parish, that they literally had one hovering over them while they slept. They left the reservation. It's unfortunate that people who come out here with the best of intentions sometimes become the target of such activities. It shouldn't deter people from coming out because this area does need help. They just need to be aware that they may have to seek assistance from medicine men in order to get things to stop. Skinwalkers are pretty prolific jumpers. I don't know about hundreds of feet but they can easily jump from the ground to a rooftop without much effort. They push off with both their hands and feet.

Cool thread and ty to whomever alerted me to it.

show me one and I'd be happy to converses with them

Uhh, easier said than done. When it comes to Arizona shapeshifters, the lore has it that, when a skinwalker has been identified, their life is forfeit...So, basically, if you were to try to talk to one, you would be identifying them. It'd be the equivalent of trying to have a discussion with a homocidal maniac on the loose. Attempting such a conversation could cost you your life and that's no exaggeration... I have heard of a couple suspected skinwalkers. Either one, I could probably talk to but I chose life, lol. Call me a coward but there you have it.

Hey BattleAngel, it's been a while but when I read this first hand account I knew it was right up your alley and you would have the info he needed, much like you did for me
I'm planning a roadtrip to Arizona this coming spring, with intent to camp out in Navajo country, and hopefully have an encounter of my own, for personal reasons. Is there any particular region I should look into? I'm not worried about being attacked or harmed in anyway, so I am more than willing to go into the most active area avaliable. Any advice would be appreciated.

Mothman is nowhere near Arizona, unless maybe he migrated there. It's a possibility.

What do you mean 'Migrated' there? It's not a bird.

It's an ethereal entity that has been seen all over the world. it's not a monster that is tied to s single geographical location.

Where else are there descriptions of mothman. I've never heard of them, please enlighten us.

Read my responses in here:

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...102539&st=0