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The Sandman
I don't Know whether i could post links like these in here, but i find interesting stuff while i browse and i want to know more about these, and if u have any info, please do share.

1. Grooved Stones of South Africa

2. Ica Stones

DieChecker
Almost all of the Ica Stone have been proven to be frauds, made by local native peoples and hidden in various places to be found by European and American explorers. If there are any real ones, the fakes have drowned them out and made whatever message they may have had to be lost.

The ones with elephants and dinosaurs on them are some of the more famous ones, but also are the most recognizable fakes.
Harte
QUOTE(coredrill @ Aug 8 2007, 02:00 AM) *
I don't Know whether i could post links like these in here, but i find interesting stuff while i browse and i want to know more about these, and if u have any info, please do share.

1. Grooved Stones of South Africa

2. Ica Stones


As was said, the more fantastic of the Ica stones can be considered fakes. Their owner refuses to divulge the location they were found, so archaeologists simply have no other choice in the matter.

The grooved spheres you mention are naturally occuring concretions that you have been lied to about. Also, there is only one single such sphere that actually has the three grooves in it, though it may be true that several have a single or parallel groove. Most have none at all.

Here's some info from a geologist on them: The South African Spheres
At the end of the article, the Geologist (Paul Heinrich) states
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The study of these nodules is ongoing. At this time, I am trying to obtain via surface (snail) mail actual specimens of these and copies of private reports containing data about them. This unfortunately, will likely take some time, possibly months.


This was in 1996. I'm certain I've read Heinrich's update on this from a year or so later somewhere online, but I can't find it now. It was in the favorites file of the computer that I had two computers before this one. As I recall, it was far more scathing that what I've linked you to.

In the article I linked, Heinrich investigated a claim from the idiotic "documentary" The Mysterious Origins of Man and the even more ridiculous book Forbidden Archaeology by Michael Cremo (the dropout Hare Krishna beach bum rip off artist.) In that book, one of Cremo's sources was a reporter for the Weekly World News. This "reporter" is the source for the claim that "...The spheres are of two types--one of solid bluish metal with white flecks, and another which is a hollow ball filled with a white spongy center..."

The Weekly World News is the "paper" that broke the "news story" that Batboy had escaped the clutches of Government scientists, joined the Marines and is today fighting for our freedom in Iraq.

Harte
crystal sage
I honestly think that farmer lied about doing those carvings himself to avoid being prosecuted...being arrested for selling discovered ancient relics that I think belong to the nation is a greater offence ..carries a greater penalty...sentence.. than fraudulently selling something...

There is no way he could have carved all of those in his lifetime...

Sure some could have been made as souvenirs.... but...???

Also the classification of dinasaurs..the official knowledge of dinasaurs has only been around for a couple of hundred years..The practice of recording history as art... on egg shaped objects has been around for thousands of years

<a href="http://www.brightsurf.com/news/headlines/1...or_the_egg.html" target="_blank">http://www.brightsurf.com/news/headlines/1...or_the_egg.html</a>
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There appears to be many stories in
Australia of man living with dinsaurs...
<a href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v.../aborigines.asp" target="_blank">http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v.../aborigines.asp</a>

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The Geelong Bunyip

For instance, the Geelong Advertiser, of Victoria, Australia, reported in July 1845 about the finding of unfossilized bone forming part of the knee joint of some gigantic animal. The paper reported showing it to an Aboriginal they regarded as particularly intelligent. He identified it immediately as a ‘bunyip’ bone, and unhesitatingly drew the picture reproduced on page 25 of this Creation Ex Nihilo issue.

When the bone was shown to other Aboriginal people who ‘had no opportunity of communicating with each other,’ they all instantly recognized the bone and the picture as being of a ‘bunyip,’ a common word in some Aboriginal languages for a frightening monster. They gave detailed, consistent accounts of where a few people they knew had been killed by one of these. The creature was said to be amphibious, laid eggs, and from the descriptions, appeared to combine ‘the characteristics of a bird and an alligator’—i.e. a bipedal reptile. (Note that no crocodiles or alligators are found in Australia except in its far north—Geelong is deep in the south). One of the Aboriginals, named Mumbowran, showed ‘several deep wounds on his breast made by the claws of the animal.’5

The description and sketch certainly fits well with some form of bipedal dinosaur.

A large number of Aboriginal stories of creatures of possible dinosaurian origin have been collected by Rex Gilroy,6 an evolutionist. Since we should be cautious about over-reliance on this particular source without independent confirmation, a large number of the ones he describes have been omitted. However, Burrunjor and Kulta, the accounts of which appear below, also feature in a book by zoologist Karl Shuker.7

Burrunjor

Extending from the Northern Territory’s Arnhem Land east through the Gulf of Carpentaria to Queensland’s Cape York district is the story of ‘Burrunjor.’ The description is reminiscent of an Allosaurus, a smaller version of the well-known Tyrannosaurus. In 1950, cattlemen on the border between the Northern Territory and Queensland claimed losing stock to a strange beast which left mutilated, half-eaten corpses in its destructive wake. A part-Aboriginal tracker also claimed to have seen a bipedal reptile, 7–8 metres (25 feet) tall, moving through the scrub near Lagoon Creek on the Gulf Coast in 1961.


http://home.iprimus.com.au/gunnado/bunyip.html
A sketch of a Bunyip seen at Barwon Lakes.
(As published in the Geelong Advertiser)
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http://theshadowlands.net/creature2.htm
kanji
I find it also unlikely that one guy could have carved all those stones in his lifetime. Perhaps if he did nothing else and devoted all his time to it sure...like the guy said, he was caught selling them, and the penalty for selling cultural relics is a lot worse than selling fakes. I think most of them are probably real and taken from ruins in the jungle or some other such place.

As far as the stone balls....what would people ten thousand years from now think if they unearthed a bowling alley? This was probably some sort of ancient game. Not all explanations for unidentified artifacts have to include aliens. As far as the supposed debunking...that guy goes into a hell of a lot of technical stuff just to disprove the ability of man to carve a few stone balls. Seriously now, common. The simplest explanation is generally the correct one.
DieChecker
At least some of the Ica Stones are fake.

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In 1998, Spanish investigator Vicente Paris, after four years of investigation, declared that the evidence indicates that the stones are a hoax. Among the proofs presented by this investigator were microphotographs of the stones that showed traces of modern paints and sandpaper.

The most obvious evidence of fraud as claimed is the fact that the shallow engravings are so crisp. If they were as old as claimed, then there should be substantial erosion of the surfaces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ica_stones
Plus I remember reading about them and that the dinosaurs and medical experiment stones did not show up until after the farmer got his hands on books containing drawings of those things. Maybe they did not make them all, but it would be next to impossible to tell the few real ones from the mountain of fakes.

To make so many stones... simple he hired more people and started a buisiness.
avs76
QUOTE (Harte @ Aug 9 2007, 10:36 AM) *
The Weekly World News is the "paper" that broke the "news story" that Batboy had escaped the clutches of Government scientists, joined the Marines and is today fighting for our freedom in Iraq.

Harte

Yeah, Batboy! Alright! Kick some butt in the name of freedom! YAY!

Avs
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