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Ashigaru
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=169745

Nice one Nintendo ^_^;
Super Pancake
What you support piracy and unlicensed software or something which what this product allowed people to do?
InHuman
I got a Wii. Getting Bwii. For Mii.
Ashigaru
QUOTE(Super Pancake @ Aug 8 2007, 11:10 PM) *
What you support piracy and unlicensed software or something which what this product allowed people to do?
Importing games is not illegal... -_-
Super Pancake
Way to miss the point of the ban on the software. If Datel wants to continue selling there product why don't they release software the does not allow piracy.
Ashigaru
And how does this allow piracy?

Also the software was not banned.
Super Pancake
Its not even an official software to begin with so its stupid to argue over the product anyway. Freeloader has been used to pirate games on Nintendo consoles since the Gamecube. Good riddance.
Ashigaru
Oh I see, you just have no idea what it does or you don't know what piracy means. All it does is bypass region locks.
AztecInca
It will be interesting to see if this was actually intended by Nintendo or is simply an accidental consequence of the update and will be rectified in a future update. As Nintendo have not yet commented we cant be sure either way but at present it doesn`t affect me. I do feel though for those who were simply using it to play legitimate imported GC games.
Super Pancake
QUOTE(Ashigaru @ Aug 9 2007, 05:11 AM) *
Oh I see, you just have no idea what it does or you don't know what piracy means. All it does is bypass region locks.

Again i know what Datel intended the software for.

But the fact is

1. Its not official software. Why are bashing Nintendo for this they have no obligation too it. I don't know if you know this but Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft both make proprietary systems and software. If you don't like it support PC gaming.

2. Yeah the software allows you to play imports but being that it is a boot manager it wont be long before before people use it to pirate games and other software on the wii. Which is something unfortunately people do use it for.
JeremyGTS
heh oh well i dont own any other region GC games i own like 2 GC games anyway so i could care less if other people cant play them.. nice try ashi.
Ashigaru
Since you don't use it no one else should be able?

Also it looks like you think I give a sh** about what you think, what makes you think that?
Cadetak
QUOTE(Ashigaru @ Aug 10 2007, 01:03 PM) *
Since you don't use it no one else should be able?

Also it looks like you think I give a sh** about what you think, what makes you think that?


I think that MS and Sony would do the same thing.

It doesn't really matter what the game is...the point is that it is an unofficial game. You can't just go around making console games without the okay from the console's company.

Would you prefer that anybody and everybody be able to make any game they wanted to and be able to sell it and be played on any console? You know what happened the last time something like that happened? The industry crashed...you know what saved it? Nintendo and quality control.

DДrk_Lotu§
thank god you pointed that out Cad
Ashigaru
QUOTE(Cadetak47 @ Aug 10 2007, 08:22 PM) *
I think that MS and Sony would do the same thing.
Actually they wouldn't. Sony hasn't shutdown homebrew for the PSP.

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It doesn't really matter what the game is...the point is that it is an unofficial game. You can't just go around making console games without the okay from the console's company.
After you buy the console its yours, you can do whatever they hell you want to w
ith it. Software developers don't need the OK of the console maker to release software for a console. Just like hardware developers don't need the OK of the console makers to make mod chips, controllers, memory cards and sh** like that. Basically its the same thing as with Microsoft not being able to tell Nvidia they cant make video cards for PCs because they run on windows.

Also freeloader is not a game.

Wtf? It keeps doing that and wont let me fix it.
Super Pancake
QUOTE(Ashigaru @ Aug 10 2007, 09:54 PM) *
Actually they wouldn't. Sony hasn't shutdown homebrew for the PSP.

After you buy the console its yours, you can do whatever they hell you want to w
ith it. Software developers don't need the OK of the console maker to release software for a console. Just like hardware developers don't need the OK of the console makers to make mod chips, controllers, memory cards and sh** like that. Basically its the same thing as with Microsoft not being able to tell Nvidia they cant make video cards for PCs because they run on windows.

Also freeloader is not a game.

Wtf? It keeps doing that and wont let me fix it.

LOL!

How come with every update all homebrew on the psp is rendered useless or in some case brick the psp? Why do psp homebrewers who are forced to upgrade because a new game requires it seek ways to downgrade to from whatever firmware version they have to version 2.80? Why is the newer versions of the psp not able to downgrade or use homebrew?

Why the other day ICE raided 32 homes with connection to making and or selling mod chips used for all major consoles and handhelds? Argue however you want but the government and hardware makers interpretation of the DMCA say its illegal.

Like I posted before the consoles are proprietary systems there not open systems like the PC you do need permission to make things on the consoles, why do you think Manhunt 2 for the Wii and PS2 are not being released with an A rating? Both Sony and Nintendo publicly said they will not allow an A rated game on there consoles ever!

Nintendo has a history of deciding what is allowed on there consoles.

Why do you think last gen many Microsoft games had superior graphics, its because Microsoft had graphical standards that had to be met if a game looked poor graphically it was not going to be released until it was fixed. Microsoft constantly tries to fish out people who mod there 360 with mod chips or custom firmwares with updates that will intentionally brick the system.

Sony even claimed selling a console from one regions to another is illegal, not sure how that went for them.

Yes I will admit occasionally some game or hardware will release by some company with out approval or supervision in the development process by the big 3, but if something goes wrong or is full of bugs and mess up your system or other stuff. They will just wash there hands and say its not our fault.
Ashigaru
QUOTE(Super Pancake @ Aug 10 2007, 10:12 PM) *
How come with every update all homebrew on the psp is rendered useless or in some case brick the psp?
Because homebrew is using bugs and exploits.

QUOTE(Super Pancake @ Aug 10 2007, 10:12 PM) *
why do you think Manhunt 2 for the Wii and PS2 are not being released with an A rating? Both Sony and Nintendo publicly said they will not allow an A rated game on there consoles ever!
Because Rockstar is actually working with Nintendo and Sony.

Oh and the mod chips they were after in the raids were ones that were made to allow pirated copies of games to be played.
Cadetak
QUOTE(Ashigaru @ Aug 10 2007, 11:53 PM) *
Because homebrew is using bugs and exploits.

Because Rockstar is actually working with Nintendo and Sony.

Oh and the mod chips they were after in the raids were ones that were made to allow pirated copies of games to be played.


So you what you are saying is you want the video game industry to forget about quality control and pirating. You want anybody to be able to make whatever they want and be able to sell it.

The industry doesn't work like this for a reason...its not just so the big 3 can make more money. Without the quality control there wouldn't be a video game industry.


Super Pancake
QUOTE(Ashigaru @ Aug 10 2007, 11:53 PM) *
Because homebrew is using bugs and exploits.

Because Rockstar is actually working with Nintendo and Sony.

Oh and the mod chips they were after in the raids were ones that were made to allow pirated copies of games to be played.


Then what are you talking about you said consoles are open systems. Clearly there not.

You say Sony isn't trying to stop homebrew yet Sony is trying to stop it. As of today there is no legally licensed or distributed homebrew software. PSP's made with the new motherboards in 2006 and on effectively stops all homebrew software. (but i thought you said its an open system and you can legally do what ever you want with it with out being screwed over by Sony)

You say we can buy imports but for last couple of years Sony has been fighting export businesses like Play-asia and Lik Sang to stop imports of hardware and games to other regions not intended for them. Sony as been battling in courts with people who make mod chips that are legitimately used for import purposes and has called it illegal, yes thats right mod chips that take away region locks are illegal also says the big three and studios. The only country where mod chips that unlock region codes is legal is Australia every where else as I know it is illegal. Why? because they want to fix prices on each region if you did not know that.

And working with Sony and Nintendo don't twist words up! In order to release games you need to pay the license fees and the devkit. If you can't pay for a license your game does not get released. If they find out you are using there own software and other source codes to release your unlicensed game guess what they have legal rights to sue you for every penny its worth. If they don't like your game they don't give you a license for it, thus it does not get released.
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