I am curious as to how Christians, specifically YEC's, (but any that believe this will do) can believe that dinosaurs lived with people. Where is there evidence of it? Why aren't there stories of people hunting them? Wouldn't large ones have been greatly coveted for all of their uses the way mastodons were? Why are there no artistic images of them in any way (dragons don't count, because other creatures that were definately alive with people, lions, etc., are depicted very accurately)? How could people possible have lived side by side with them without getting eaten or competing for food? (Believe or not, someone once told me we kept them all in cages.) I am interested in hearing how these beliefs are explained.

**Disclaimer** I understand that not all Christians believe this. However, any input from all will be valuable.

Crocodiles were dinosaurs.

I've heard people claim Behemoth in the Book of Job was a dinosaur. No basis for that though, just stretching the meanings of words.

Yeah I've heard some christians claim this.
It seems so ridiculous to claim that man and dinosaurs co-existed at some time together.
they're just trying to rationalise blind faith.
(no offense or nothing)

lack of evidence does not mean that something isn't true

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/a...s-and-dinosaurs

Hi again bb, hope its OK to call you that. Just recently there is a topic called Intelligent Life Before Dinosaurs? If you can find it, have a read, we cover heaps of aspects of your topic. The Ica Stones are interesting, although apparently a hoax, we discuss that in depth in the topic. I am not a Christian so I won't say anything more but I will be interested to hear from any Christians who has an answer to your questions. Good topic!

Either the DEVIL put disosaur bones there to tempt people or GOD put them there to test people.

LOL! I love how that link you provided sidesteps the issue! They take the question "If people and dinos lived together, why don't we find dino bones with human bones" and answer by saying "Well dinos and humans never hung out together, so their bones wouldn't be intermingled".

This is so utterly typical of your average fanatical xstian* who can't bear the truth and make wild confabulations and half-arsed "logic" to explain the wacko ideas they need to pretend to believe in order to prevent the collapse of the house of cards that is their belief system.

Any objective person would NOT take that question ("duh, how come human bones and dino bones aren't in the same pile"") literally - they would know the real question is "Why are there no human bones found in geologic strata from 200 million years ago?".

Since coming up with a wild LIE to explain this is impossible even for fanatical religious maniacs, they instead deflect the question to something their smug little reality can handle.

Truly sad.


*a "fanatical" xstian is a xstian that isn't a hypocrite and who actually believes everything in the bible. The hypocrite xstians (more than 99% of all xstians) don't even actually believe the very document their entire religion is based on and make feeble excuses for it and call it 'metaphor' LOL!!!

Here's a You Tube clip by comedian Bill Hicks about how God put them there to test one's faith....called It Seemed Plausible At The Time, funny stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qmglGWMsdk

The evidence against dinosaurs and humans coexisting means its not true.

does this mean they are not dinos any more? or are they still?

Not the "devil", the flying spagetti monster and that darned noodily appendage...

Crocodiles are reptiles, they live during the time of the dinosaurs, but I don't think they are dinosaurs. I think if we lived during the time of the dinosaurs we would be extinct. I don't think we could have handled creatures that large.

The overwhelming majority of Christians do not think humans and dinosaurs co-existed.

Tell that to Fred Flintstone

Yabba-daba-dooooooo!

Sure you can call me that. I did a search and didn't find anything so sorry about the repeat. But nonetheless, I am still interested for the answers. And yeah, the Ica Stones, to my knowledge are fakes.

Yes, lack of evidence does not mean that something is not true....BUT..... lack of evidence can also mean that something is not true.

Why can one just not claim "MAYBE" or I truly don't know ? There is humility & honesty in these words.

http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/dino_dynasty.shtml

No need to apologise, just mentioned it in case you'd be intrested to read some views, different topic, just some interesting things in it. The Ica Stones I actually find very intriguing, they are thought to be fakes because 2 men admitted it, but the laws in the area they are are very hard on people selling original artifacts, if you were threatened with what they were you may say I made them rather than admit you actually found them. I beleive there are fakes but I also think that some early finds could possibly be real.

I know there are people on this forum that believe dinosaurs and man coexisted, so here is a perfect opportunity to step up and present evidence for the claim....yet they dont.

The only one I can think of that believed that was banned cuz he was a poo-poo head.

A common misconception that is on several threads here at UM. They were not. I wish some people would actually either go to school or pay attention.

an unprovable supposition in either event. Therefore not scientific and and just a matter of your faith. Which is not mainstream Christian.

well, guess I'm representing the fanaticals here. I'm a literalist.

you should actually read my source before you comment on it. it does not say that 'humans and dinos didn't hang out together'

I'd say that your response is typical of a fanatical anti-christian, someone who gets so worked up when encountered with opposing beliefs that they jump to conclusions and make up words (confabulations?) to prove some kind of point.

Am I some kind of scientist that I can prove my views to you? Nope. I'm not even going to try. Noone will even accept my sources because they are 'biased'. And besides, everyone believes what they want to believe. Everyone wants to believe that modern theories are correct so anything that goes against them will be brushed aside.

(edit: alright, so confabulation is a word. guess you're not at bad as the ones who do that then.)

I still haven't gotten any answers from my OP. There should be plenty of evidence to prove that they lived side by side with us.

There was a theory that Birds are actually dinosaurs. Has that been disproved. If it was true then we have lived with the dinos and still do.

The theory is stronger than ever, although that doesn't mean we're living with dinosaurs. Their descendants are still here, sure, but there are certain requirements that need to be met before something can be classified as a dinosaur, which birds don't meet.



The link is ridiculous, it shouldn't be taken seriously. But at least you understand that there's no evidence to support the belief.

If humans lived during the dino periods, we diffenetly would be extinct if not from the same cause of the extinction of dinosaurs, humans would made the perfect food. itd be like role reversal, instead of mad being at the top of the food chain we'd be a the very bottom. Just think of a Trex.. eyeballing in on a two legger. . To me there isnt a logical way for man and dinosaurs to co-exist, unless they both was on two different sides of the world, which in that case it could be possible, I dunno just my input.

You are basically right. It is hard to imagine in which ecological niche humans could have lived in a world so thoroughly occupied by Dinos. The only mammals in the Dino's times were some bottom dwellers.

I believe that he only real reason as to why christian want to believe that dino's and people were on the planet at the same time..is because NOW after the evidence was shown...dino's did in fact exist....you wont see in the bible any mention of a t-rex or anything lol

ya might not see it mentioned as a "trex" but it does mention beasts of the earth.

Probably because they weren't called T-rex's back then.....


Behemoth has the following attributes according to Job 40:15-24

* It “eats grass like an ox.”
* It “moves his tail like a cedar.” (In Hebrew, this literally reads, “he lets hang his tail like a cedar.”)
* Its “bones are like beams of bronze,
His ribs like bars of iron.”
* “He is the first of the ways of God.”
* “He lies under the lotus trees,
In a covert of reeds and marsh.”

Leviathan has the following attributes according to Job chapter 41, Psalm 104:25,26 and Isaiah 27:1. This is only a partial listing—just enough to make the point.

* “No one is so fierce that he would dare stir him up.”
* “Who can open the doors of his face, with his terrible teeth all around?”
* “His rows of scales are his pride, shut up tightly as with a seal; one is so near another that no air can come between them; they are joined one to another, they stick together and cannot be parted.”
* “His sneezings flash forth light, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning. Out of his mouth go burning lights; sparks of fire shoot out. Smoke goes out of his nostrils, as from a boiling pot and burning rushes. His breath kindles coals, and a flame goes out of his mouth.”
* “Though the sword reaches him, it cannot avail; nor does spear, dart, or javelin. He regards iron as straw, and bronze as rotten wood. The arrow cannot make him flee; slingstones become like stubble to him. Darts are regarded as straw; he laughs at the threat of javelins.”
* “On earth there is nothing like him, which is made without fear.”
* Leviathan “played” in the “great and wide sea” (a paraphrase of Psalm 104 verses 25 and 26—get the exact sense by reading them yourself).
* Leviathan is a “reptile [a] that is in the sea.” (Isaiah 27:1)

[a] Note: The word translated “reptile” here is the Hebrew word tanniyn. This shows that “Leviathan” was also a “tanniyn” (dragon).

it dont really mention hardly any of the dinos..

UNLESS you can post up were in the bible it does list such dino's??

cheers

I dunno, Nephilim_Slayer's "dino's" sound like an elephant and possibly a blue or gray whale to me.

umm hate to break it to you...the 1st sounds like an elephant..and the sec ..is too weird lol...dont sound anything like a dino

nice try though

I think some people just can't face the fact that because the writer's of the Bible had no idea as to the origin of the world, they made it up. Really, how could they ever fathom that we would have carbon dating and x-rays, mineral testing, etc. they made do with what they had, and that was faith in a higher being.

Here's the thing I can't get my head around: The bible was written by men. Doesn't that ring a few alarm bells?

Theists aren't putting their faith in god, they're putting their faith in other humans.

Nephilim slayer, your first description sounds like it could be one of many large herbivores. However the second description tells me that it doesn't matter what either of them sound like:



Unless you can show me a dinosaur (or any other animal) that can shoot fire from its ass, this description is a fictional account.

Of course they didn't have any idea lol...the 1st book within the bible clearly shows how God has no part in any of the info given....nothing is explained...IE the earth..the universe...dinos...anything that we all have knowledge of today...amn back then had NO idea

and I am expected to follow this bible...WHY??

I've always assumed the Leviathan was a whale... some of the gray whales have what looks like scales, but I'm assuming it's barnecals or something similar. If you've ever seen them at night (I have, in the Gulf of Alaska) the phophorus at night makes them look like their "smoking" and on "fire" when they breach or blow. It's a whale if you ask me.

Not quite. Birds evolved from some dinosaur species. Birds are not dinosaurs. Dinosaurs are extinct.

You idjit, I wrote that as sarcasm. I will speak slower when you are around and make sure I only use literalities.

Then you are well on your way to my respecting you. It is very hard to respect someone that claims to be Christian, but doesn't even believe tha Bible. Those are the hypocrites that refuse to believe their own religion's core text and weasel out of it by calling them "metaphor" or "What it really means is this" or "blah blah blah". If you can't believe your own religion's text then why claim to follow that religion? So I respect you for being able to actually consider your own religious text sacred.




"If humans and dinosaurs lived together, why don’t we find human fossils with dinosaur fossils?" <=== DIRECT QUOTE FROM THE WEB PAGE

They used that question as the sort of thing a non-believer or hypocritical christian that doesn't even believe their own bible might ask in an attempt to show that humans and dinosaurs never lived together. I did read your article. That question was placed in huge bold text at the top of the page and then a lengthy, disjointed ramble ensued wherein the religious freaks at answersingenesis.org attempt to show the world how silly it is to think that humans and dinos did not live together.



Your semantical hair-splitting is commendable. They actually said:

My bad.



Since you were basing my emotional state (ie how "worked up" I was) on my use of imaginary words, the fact that the word you used as evidence to support your claim was an actual word must mean that I wasn't worked up at all and therefore not a "typical fanatical anti-christian".

I respect you for simply admitting that you believe that either humans are hundreds of million years old or that dinosaurs lived within the last hundred thousand years.

I can respect a christian that actually believes in their own bible a lot more than a pathetic hypocrite that calls themselves christian but doesn't even believe their own bible.

For how can you pick and choose which biblical stories to believe? You can't - unless you are a hypocrite.

What amazes me is that more people don't just say "I believe jesus was the son of god, sent to earth to save mankind and I choose to live every day in as christ-like a manner as possible. But I am not a Christian because I do not believe the religious writings that define the Christian faith. I am not stupid enough to believe in Noah's ark. I don't believe that all 6 billion people on earth are direct descendants of Noah. I recognize that the bible was written by MEN who all had their own agenda. I am also aware of several other gospel's that were suppressed by the Catholic church and that the decision to suppress them was a political decision. Why would I be stupid enough to allow the political fighting that went on over a thousand years ago to affect my spirtual beliefs? And since I cannot believe in all of the horsesh**, I would be a miserable hypocrite to call myself a Christian. I am, instead, a spiritual follower of Jesus' teachings."

That would be a lot more worthy of respect than the blind sheep hypocrites that make up more than 99% of "christendom".

I am not an atheist.
I believe in a creator.
I do not believe the creator has any interest in us or that there is an afterlife.

Oh my...*stands back to see the flying Ego make a landing*

It's a possible explanation for why we haven't found human and dino bones next to each other. I don't really see what's rediculous about it. You may not beleive in the Flood, but that doesn't mean everyone doesn't.

Scientists have found human bones...I once visited a museum and there was bones of early man...it was gross but i saw them

I completely agree with you about this. I can't express how much frustration I feel about people who do this stuff. It's like they can feel the truth in it but they aren't ready to accept what it has to say, so they justify it by picking and choosing and playing Twister with my scriptures.

Oh Llucid... tsk tsk tsk.

I'm Christian, but I don't concern myself with Biblical inerrancy. There's one simple reason (actually 2, but we'll stick with the first one)

Science can prove that dino's never lived with humans, science is welcome to prove that there was no global flood, science can even prove that Jesus was buried under an apartment complex in an ossuary and that his resurection is spiritual rather than physical -- and you know what?

That wouldn't change my faith in God or Jesus in the least. My faith is THAT strong.

So how is that any different from narrow mindedness? What would it take for your mind to change?

If I may pipe in, it is not that there should have been a miracle or a resurrection or whatever. It is the message that counts for many Christians. The pious legends can all be scrapped and for all I care the bible could have been written by a prankster on an all-night-drunk, love your next like thyself is a truth that will always be valid if we want a civilized society.

The problem with the bible thumpers is that they always seem to miss that part in it.