I believe evil exists...not in a spirit or demon NO....but in MAN

A lot of you believe WE are all responcible for our OWN actions......indeed we are


I was shocked to read this in the SUN Newspaper yesterday...


Life For Couple In Child Murder Case
Updated: 00:28, Saturday August 11, 2007

A young mother and her partner have been jailed for life for murdering the woman's four-year-old daughter after a horrific campaign of abuse.

WrightSharon Wright, 23, and her boyfriend Peter McKenzie-Seaton, 22, were told they would each serve a minimum of 23 years in jail after being convicted of murder following a four-week trial at Bradford Crown Court.

Paramedics found Leticia Aaliyah Wright lying bruised and naked on the living room floor at her Huddersfield home on November 18 last year.

She was taken to Huddersfield Royal Infirmary but she died in the early hours of the morning from multiple injuries.

The court heard how Leticia had suffered injuries equivalent to those sustained in a major road accident, with the fatal injuries inflicted two to three days before her death.

She was covered in bruises - old and new - as well as cigarette burns and bite marks.

Doctors described the back of her head as a "boggy mass", with her scalp showing signs of infection.


Forensics officers found clumps of Leticia's hair in a wheelie bin outside the house.

Meanwhile, traces of her blood were left on her soiled clothes, on a pair of fur-lined handcuffs retrieved from the kitchen, and in "swipe marks" left by her hair on the living room wall.

The court heard that her body was covered from head to toe in more than 100 injuries, which police believe were inflicted in the last four weeks of her life.


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Thats one of the saddest stories ive read in the UK for a while...and its was EVIL....to do that to a lil 4 yr old girl ...this is real evidence that evil is done by man...I cant believe her own mother did this!!

Children have been killed by their own parents for a long long time now.....and what happens...?? they get time...thats it.......those sick b******* will be out again to walk the streets in their early 40's...I dont call it justice....hanging is too good for people like this


I pray to God...that for each sick twisted son of a b*tch on this planet, that has abused and killed a small innocent DEFENCLESS children...I hope to God, that each one suffers a slow and painful death
and I dont care who wants to look down on me for that....I say what I think...

Evil is not from satan...IMO satan doesnt exist...BUT MAN EXISTS and we all know there is real evidence of the evil that MAN does

I believe in Satan, but his existence doesn't change anything. If I tell you to kill someone, and you do, than YOU are responsible. That is Satan's job. His job is to work as hard as he can to keep us from God. However, he works for God. Demons are more or less non-existent because there is no evidence for them in the Scriptures (OT). Also, in the OT Satan is painted as one who works for God, but against humanity. Like...God says "They need more pressure, they're getting too comfortable. Satan, Go down there and try and get them to turn away, that way I can see who's heart is where." Satan: "But God, I thought you knew everything?" God:"I DO know everything, but there's no reason I can't have fun is there?" Anyways, that's just me.

You took no time at all to read the FULL artical..all you have done is come in and rave about satan...when there is NO real evidence for evil that stan does...BUT REAL LIFE EVIDENCE for the evil that man is responcibile for...man is only responcibile for his/herself....not satan


sigh...dont be surprized if I ignore your posts COI

I said Satan IS NOT responsible for the actions of sinful/evil man. I merely said (indirectly) that people SHOULDN'T worry about Satan. Please, don't be surprised if with every post you fail to understand, I begin to think that you can't read.

OK my bad...cant help it...cuz im so well used to you from how you used to be...LMAO...but seriously thought...if you believe man is solely responcibile for his/her own actions...then how the heck can satan be even a tiny bit at fault???

thats my question to you...cuz it dont make sense that if you believe we are all totally 1000% responcibile for all our own doings...then that is just US...nothing more...satan dont come into the picture

Why do people need to believe in a satan..in order to follow God?? IMO a true follower of God doesnt need to believe in a satan

again that was MY opinion

I believe that Satan and deamons exist, but I don't think Satan is responsible for the atrocities done on earth. We humans can manage being evil quite well without the aid of Satan or his army.

There is always two sides to everything. You can not have light without dark, you can not have good without evil, you can not have god without satan. I don't think it is the 'need' necessarily that you have to believe in a Satan, but the 'know' that with free will, we have a choice to do good in our life to be rewarded with it in the hereafter with God or to do bad and lose that reserved seat in Heaven at the Gaithers concert.

Satan ISN'T at fault. We are completelty at fault. I believe in Satan because God says there is a Satan. It is written in the OT that there is a Satan and I believe in his existence. However, I don't think he has any part at all in our actions. He's just like...idk a supervisor.


PS I know what you mean about how I used to be. I'm still trying to get over all the Christian stuff I knew and followed. I'm trying to break free from the Christian mindset and boy is it hard. There are a lot of things the NT talks about that the OT does not talk about.

Well in my case there is two sides also....there is good and there's bad..YES

I believe , love and follow God..and all that is good..............................BUT..........as forthe bad...I believe all that is bad is only from MAN <--so yea I do accept both sides....only difference is...when it comes to the down right evil and bad in this life...its MAN thats solely responcible...


I have experienced proof of God

I have never ever experienced proof of satan

BUT guess what? I HAVE experienced proof of the bad that MAN has created.....we all have <-----------------------FACT

I already KNOW this COI...ive been preaching it lol......it makes sense...but what dont seem to fit is how Satan can be a lil bit involved <---thats what im getting at

So God needs to know how much love we have for him, so he sends tests to pass? I used to believe that until I realized it didn't make any sense. Here's a quote I found to be good from a man named Dan Barker:

"Truth does not demand belief. Scientists do not join hands every Sunday, singing, "Yes, gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! I believe in my heart that what goes up, up, up must come down, down, down. Amen!" If they did, we would think they were pretty insecure about it."

According to Judaism, God requires worship and he wants us to love him. Why would an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-present God need us to worship him? An example is the sun, you can choose to not believe in it but the sun doesn't care. It is a fact that it's there, so you can choose to not believe in the sun, but it's there anyways. This same principle should apply to God also.

::BACK ON TOPIC::

There are some pretty sick people in the world such as those parents. I don't understand though why people try blaming outside influences when they do something bad instead of just admitting it was themselves who did it. I personally don't believe in demons or Satan, but if you notice when a really religious person commits something awful, they blame possession or outside influence. Quite a shame actually.

I just re-read the artical again.........and no matter how hard I try...I cannot for the love of me begin to imagine what was in their heads to do such an evil act to such a pretty lil child....makes me sick

Especially when I think of those parents that would do anything to have a kid of their own...and fail each time...and yet rotten bast*rds like those can breed grrrrrrrrrr

I was blinded by tears reading this ... it was real hard..... As i live and breathe i will continue on my campaingn for the non violent treatment of children ....it begins int he home and one must never compromise this ethic we are talking a life a childs life.....yes we ahve seen evil and its man and his teachings.....

Yes, this is a sad story... Things like this shouldn't happen, but they do happen every single day. It sucks.

However, this article had nothing to do with Satan.

Are those two people evil? I have no idea I don't have enough information about their lives to determine why they would do such a thing. It doesn't matter really, they both deserve to go to prison for a LONG time.

If you want to stop crimes like this you really have to get off your can, away from your computer, out of your house, hit the streets, and DO SOMETHING about it.

THese kids don't really want your pity... they want your help.

He is involved, just not at fault.


I'll answer this in PM.

Satan and his demons influence, but man makes his own choices.

and women criticize men for those choices

I believe WE are responsible for our own actions.. such as in this case. I also believe that Satan has influence here, and it's that influence that some seccumb to to commit such horrible crimes like this one in particular....I believe accepting this influence is also apart of accepting the responsibiltity of such actions from that influence. We have the choice, we are responsible for that choice, despite where this influence is coming from. There are no excuses.

this case was absolutely disturbing! & 23 years don't cut it-

Satan is only the name given to man's alter ego. We have the good side and the dark side and entities were constructed to give them a face. In times when stories were the only way to communicate these creations came into being. Like a Shakesperean play with a protagonist and an antagonist, that is the balance of all things. No real entity known as satan just a name in the play of religion.
I could barely read that whole story it was tragic. I will always believe that evil exists in the hearts of man and it shows it's ugly self far too often and in the most horrific ways possible.

I think people have a few misconceptions when it comes to topic of God and Satan, Biblically speaking.

Satan is not an anti-God. He does not 'balance the scales' so to speak. Neither is he a henchman of God, fulfilling God's dirty orders. To understand Satan you have to understand the nature of evil.

Evil really isn't a thing. Evil is a lack of. According to the Bible, creation as God made it was good. This is the default state, or how things were intended to be. When evil entered the world, it didn't counter-balance good, it took it away. Therefore, the best description of Satan is that he is a lack of God.

That being said, I don't believe in Satan because I have to. I don't believe in him because I need some sort of excuse. I believe in him simply because the Bible says he's real.

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." - Ephesians 6:12 (NIV)

The Bible teaches that there is a war going on right now. A war between God and Satan for man's soul. The things we experience in this world are 'bleed-over' effects from the spiritual realm where this war is taking place. To be more specific, the war is fought inside each and every person. You experience this when you fight with yourself whether to do something or not- when you are tempted to do something against your morals and your conscience is screaming at you. The atrocities that man commits is not the root of evil, it is merely a symptom. This does not negate the responsibility that man has for his own actions. Everyone has a choice.

Interesting, I'm a christian, I don't believe in satan at all.

I do however believe that man is capable of such horrible acts for a few reasons, but those reasons don't include the boogie man.

I believe that every single person has some measure of God within him. Some hear that voice and heed it, although they may not know that's what's happening.

Satan, in my opinion could not occupy that same sacred space that God does... Satan would not be able to. Therefore, if satan can't occupy the light within us, he has no influence.

Some people, like hte people in this story, probably have some measure of God and light within them, however, they've become so jaded, so hard, so self-centered, so self-involved, that they have the inability to hear that good and love. They have effectively blocked out that light.

I know my comments are rather cerebral, kinda hoo-do-guru, and fairly hard to digest, but that's honestly the way I believe. I think when you block the light and become so self-absorbed that these things happen. And when I speak of that light, I believe everyone has it, yes, even non-believers, even hindu's, even buddhists, even muslims... It really doesn't matter what you call it, or what you attribute it to, it's there none-the-less. For some people, they simply block it lose all sense of morals.

For those of you that believe Satan had any influence on people like the sick twisted sob's in the OP.............I challange all of you to step right up...and provide real actual evidence that supports there was a satan involved <----cuz I find it a cop out and absurd if you cannot prove it


anyone?? and please dont bore me with ...but but but its in the bible......HELLO I aid REAL proof

As for real proof that what these bstds done was in fact evil and their own ideas and own actions..well HEELLO again the evidence to back that all up was REAL

I couldn't care less if you don't believe me. You asked a question about Satan- which is a character straight out of the Bible- and I provided the Biblical definition of him. You're asking physical evidence of a spiritual entity and I find that absurd. Same thing as someone asking for physical proof that there is a God.

I'm not here to convince anyone of anything. I'm here to present accurate scriptural representation. Take it or leave it. Doesn't matter to me.

Heard of the Stanford Prison experiment ?

The Psychology of Evil


Here are examples of the classic psychopath, defined by psychologists Hervey Cleckley in 1941 and later more precisely by Robert Hare's Pychopathy Checklist.

Cleckley published The Mask of Sanity, which listed 16 distinct clinical criteria, among them:

* hot-headed
* manipulative
* exploitative
* irresponsible
* self-centered
* shallow
* unable to bond
* lacking in empathy or anxiety
* likely to commit a wide variety of crimes
* more violent, more likely to recidivate, and less likely to respond to treatment than other offenders

Then as the concept of psychopathy evolved, the emphasis shifted from traits to behavior, and in 1952, the word "psychopath" was officially replaced with "sociopathic personality." By 1968, "sociopathic personality" yielded to "personality disorder, antisocial type." Yet many people working with psychopaths felt that such a label was nonspecific.
Without Conscience bookcover
Without Conscience bookcover

Then came Robert Hare, a Canadian psychologist who had access to prison populations. Based on Cleckley’s work, Hare combined traits and behaviors for his Psychopathy Checklist (PCL) and wrote about it in Without Conscience. He included 22 items (twenty in the PCL-Revised), to be weighted from 0 to 2 by clinicians working with potential psychopaths. Moving away from the antisocial personality diagnosis, psychopathy was now redefined as a disorder characterized by the traits from Cleckley's list with a few more that included:

* serial relationships (multiple marriages)
* lying
* glibness
* low frustration tolerance
* parasitic lifestyle
* persistent violation of social norms

Once they can diagnose a psychopath, clinicians know how to deal with them. First, they understand that there is no cure for this condition and it may even worsen with psychotherapy. Second, they know that these people are among the most dangerous criminals, having little human feeling for victims and no real concern for laws and social expectations. People who engage in what others call evil are generally psychopaths. Whether they're hard-wired to be what they are, taught it, made into it from brain damage or abuse, or encouraged by some faulty socialization is still the central question, and many researchers are attempting to find the answer.

Here's a brief list:
The Creation of Dangerous Violent Criminals bookcover
The Creation of Dangerous Violent Criminals bookcover

1.) Dr. Lonnie Athens, author of The Creation of Dangerous Violent Criminals, takes the approach that psychopathy or antisocial behavior develops through specific steps. He believes that people start off benign, so in an attempt to discover why only some people in a crime-vulnerable environment turn violent, he interviewed violent criminals in prisons to find out what they had in common. From his research, he determined that people become violent through a process of "violentization," which involves four stages:

* brutalization and subjugation
* belligerency
* violent coaching
* criminal activity

First, the person (usually a child) is the victim of violence and feels powerless to avoid it. Then he is taught how and when to become violent (often by a person who was violent to him) and how to profit from it. It's not long before he's had sufficient exposure to act on it. According to Athens, if someone from a violent environment does not become violent, it's because some part of the process is missing. Athens seems not to include an inherent tendency toward violence, narcissism, or shallow emotion as part of the antisocial scenario. It's also clear from some of our examples that his theory will not apply to all acts of evil—even of violent evil.

2) Dr. Stanton E. Samenow, an authority on the criminal personality and a former member of Reagan’s task force on crime victims, insists that the criminal’s way of thinking is vastly different from that of responsible people, and that the “errors of logic” derive from a pattern of behavior that begins in childhood. Criminals, he says, choose crime by rejecting society and preferring the role of a victimizer. They are in control of their own actions, but they assign the blame for their behavior to others. Thus, they have no insight about their intentions. They devalue people and exploit others insofar as those others can be manipulated toward ends to which the criminals feel entitled. The excitement of crime, they believe, staves off emptiness, but satisfaction doesn't last long, so they do it again. They don't learn because they'd don't think correctly.
Ghosts in the Nursery bookcover
Ghosts in the Nursery bookcover

3) According to Robin Karr-Morse and Meredith S. Wiley in Ghosts in the Nursery, the roots of violence develop in the first two years of life, starting at conception. "With the exception of certain rare head injuries," they claim, "no one biological or sociological factor by itself predisposes a child to violent behavior. The research underscores that it is the interaction of multiple factors which may set the stage." In other words, it's not due to a negative experience, a brain disorder, genetics, or mistakes in parenting, but it could be the result of the cumulative effect of a combination of factors, along with the failure of normal protective systems in the environment.

Among those factors associated with violence, they list

* harmful substances ingested by mothers during pregnancy
* chronic maternal stress during pregnancy
* low birth weight
* early maternal rejection or abuse
* nutritional deficiencies
* low verbal IQ
* ADHD

While none are considered causal, in certain combinations and with certain dispositions, they can provoke anger, lack of anger management skills, and violence against self or others. If kids fail to connect early with caregivers, there can be problems later in life. "Babies reflect back what they absorb," the authors say, and that notion has serious implications. If we fail to address the issues of competent child-rearing and healthy pregnancies, one in twenty babies born today will end up behind bars.
The Biology of Violence
The Biology of Violence bookcover

4) Debra Niehof, a neuroscientist, studied twenty years' worth of research before she wrote The Biology of Violence. Specifically, she wanted to know whether violence is the result of genes or a product of the environment. There are several studies that indicate that the physiology of a psychopath is somehow different, that something isn't quite right in their brains, and that they aren't as responsive to punishment. However in Niehof's opinion, both biological and environmental factors are involved, and each modifies the other such that processing a situation toward the end of a violent resolution is unique to each individual. In other words, a particular type of stimulation or overload in the brain is not necessarily going to cause violence in every instance. (Other young men watching The Billionaire Boys' Club did not decide to murder their parents.)

The way it works is that the brain keeps track of our experiences through chemical codes. When we have an interaction with a new person, we approach it with a neurochemical profile, which is influenced by attitudes that we've developed about whether or not the world is safe, whether people are trustworthy, and whether we can trust our instincts.

However we feel about these things sets off certain emotional reactions and the chemistry of those feelings is translated into our responses. "Then that person reacts to us," says Niehoff, "and our emotional response to their reaction also changes brain chemistry a little bit. So after every interaction, we update our neurochemical profile of the world."

The chemistry of aggression is associated with the chemistry of our attitudes and we may turn a normally appropriate response into an inappropriate response by overreaction or by directing it to the wrong person. In other words, the person's ability to properly evaluate the situation becomes impaired. Niehoff says that there are different patterns of violent behavior and certain physiological differences are associated with each pattern.

While most violence occurs under provocation of some type, certain people initiate it for pleasure and erotic stimulation, as we've seen with Bundy, Dahmer, and Nilsen. Some are psychotic, some are provoked by substances, and some use violence as a weapon. There are also killers for whom violence is the only way to satisfy their lust. They're driven by the need for this form of arousal.

Yet even for them, the development of these behaviors results from a cumulative exchange between their experiences and the nervous system. It all gets coded into the body's neurochemistry as a sort of emotional record. The more they succeed and feel the high, the more likely it is that they will return to this behavior.

It seems, then, that evil is a complicated human behavior for which it's difficult to find a cause, and since we have the cognitive means for viewing evil acts from perspectives that diminish their heinousness, our capacity to commit evil increases---especially if we believe we're doing it for some noble purpose.

Here's the link for further reading if so inclined: The Psychology of Evil


The killers mentioned above are all examples of the classic psychopath, defined by psychologists Hervey Cleckley in 1941 and later more precisely by Robert Hare's Pychopathy Checklist.

Cleckley published The Mask of Sanity, which listed 16 distinct clinical criteria, among them:

* hot-headed
* manipulative
* exploitative
* irresponsible
* self-centered
* shallow
* unable to bond
* lacking in empathy or anxiety
* likely to commit a wide variety of crimes
* more violent, more likely to recidivate, and less likely to respond to treatment than other offenders

Then as the concept of psychopathy evolved, the emphasis shifted from traits to behavior, and in 1952, the word "psychopath" was officially replaced with "sociopathic personality." By 1968, "sociopathic personality" yielded to "personality disorder, antisocial type." Yet many people working with psychopaths felt that such a label was nonspecific.
Without Conscience bookcover
Without Conscience bookcover

Then came Robert Hare, a Canadian psychologist who had access to prison populations. Based on Cleckley’s work, Hare combined traits and behaviors for his Psychopathy Checklist (PCL) and wrote about it in Without Conscience. He included 22 items (twenty in the PCL-Revised), to be weighted from 0 to 2 by clinicians working with potential psychopaths. Moving away from the antisocial personality diagnosis, psychopathy was now redefined as a disorder characterized by the traits from Cleckley's list with a few more that included:

* serial relationships (multiple marriages)
* lying
* glibness
* low frustration tolerance
* parasitic lifestyle
* persistent violation of social norms

Once they can diagnose a psychopath, clinicians know how to deal with them. First, they understand that there is no cure for this condition and it may even worsen with psychotherapy. Second, they know that these people are among the most dangerous criminals, having little human feeling for victims and no real concern for laws and social expectations. People who engage in what others call evil are generally psychopaths. Whether they're hard-wired to be what they are, taught it, made into it from brain damage or abuse, or encouraged by some faulty socialization is still the central question, and many researchers are attempting to find the answer.

Here's a brief list:
The Creation of Dangerous Violent Criminals bookcover
The Creation of Dangerous Violent Criminals bookcover

1.) Dr. Lonnie Athens, author of The Creation of Dangerous Violent Criminals, takes the approach that psychopathy or antisocial behavior develops through specific steps. He believes that people start off benign, so in an attempt to discover why only some people in a crime-vulnerable environment turn violent, he interviewed violent criminals in prisons to find out what they had in common. From his research, he determined that people become violent through a process of "violentization," which involves four stages:

* brutalization and subjugation
* belligerency
* violent coaching
* criminal activity

First, the person (usually a child) is the victim of violence and feels powerless to avoid it. Then he is taught how and when to become violent (often by a person who was violent to him) and how to profit from it. It's not long before he's had sufficient exposure to act on it. According to Athens, if someone from a violent environment does not become violent, it's because some part of the process is missing. Athens seems not to include an inherent tendency toward violence, narcissism, or shallow emotion as part of the antisocial scenario. It's also clear from some of our examples that his theory will not apply to all acts of evil—even of violent evil.

2) Dr. Stanton E. Samenow, an authority on the criminal personality and a former member of Reagan’s task force on crime victims, insists that the criminal’s way of thinking is vastly different from that of responsible people, and that the “errors of logic” derive from a pattern of behavior that begins in childhood. Criminals, he says, choose crime by rejecting society and preferring the role of a victimizer. They are in control of their own actions, but they assign the blame for their behavior to others. Thus, they have no insight about their intentions. They devalue people and exploit others insofar as those others can be manipulated toward ends to which the criminals feel entitled. The excitement of crime, they believe, staves off emptiness, but satisfaction doesn't last long, so they do it again. They don't learn because they'd don't think correctly.
Ghosts in the Nursery bookcover
Ghosts in the Nursery bookcover

3) According to Robin Karr-Morse and Meredith S. Wiley in Ghosts in the Nursery, the roots of violence develop in the first two years of life, starting at conception. "With the exception of certain rare head injuries," they claim, "no one biological or sociological factor by itself predisposes a child to violent behavior. The research underscores that it is the interaction of multiple factors which may set the stage." In other words, it's not due to a negative experience, a brain disorder, genetics, or mistakes in parenting, but it could be the result of the cumulative effect of a combination of factors, along with the failure of normal protective systems in the environment.

Among those factors associated with violence, they list

* harmful substances ingested by mothers during pregnancy
* chronic maternal stress during pregnancy
* low birth weight
* early maternal rejection or abuse
* nutritional deficiencies
* low verbal IQ
* ADHD

While none are considered causal, in certain combinations and with certain dispositions, they can provoke anger, lack of anger management skills, and violence against self or others. If kids fail to connect early with caregivers, there can be problems later in life. "Babies reflect back what they absorb," the authors say, and that notion has serious implications. If we fail to address the issues of competent child-rearing and healthy pregnancies, one in twenty babies born today will end up behind bars.
The Biology of Violence
The Biology of Violence bookcover

4) Debra Niehof, a neuroscientist, studied twenty years' worth of research before she wrote The Biology of Violence. Specifically, she wanted to know whether violence is the result of genes or a product of the environment. There are several studies that indicate that the physiology of a psychopath is somehow different, that something isn't quite right in their brains, and that they aren't as responsive to punishment. However in Niehof's opinion, both biological and environmental factors are involved, and each modifies the other such that processing a situation toward the end of a violent resolution is unique to each individual. In other words, a particular type of stimulation or overload in the brain is not necessarily going to cause violence in every instance. (Other young men watching The Billionaire Boys' Club did not decide to murder their parents.)

The way it works is that the brain keeps track of our experiences through chemical codes. When we have an interaction with a new person, we approach it with a neurochemical profile, which is influenced by attitudes that we've developed about whether or not the world is safe, whether people are trustworthy, and whether we can trust our instincts.

However we feel about these things sets off certain emotional reactions and the chemistry of those feelings is translated into our responses. "Then that person reacts to us," says Niehoff, "and our emotional response to their reaction also changes brain chemistry a little bit. So after every interaction, we update our neurochemical profile of the world."

The chemistry of aggression is associated with the chemistry of our attitudes and we may turn a normally appropriate response into an inappropriate response by overreaction or by directing it to the wrong person. In other words, the person's ability to properly evaluate the situation becomes impaired. Niehoff says that there are different patterns of violent behavior and certain physiological differences are associated with each pattern.

While most violence occurs under provocation of some type, certain people initiate it for pleasure and erotic stimulation, as we've seen with Bundy, Dahmer, and Nilsen. Some are psychotic, some are provoked by substances, and some use violence as a weapon. There are also killers for whom violence is the only way to satisfy their lust. They're driven by the need for this form of arousal.

Yet even for them, the development of these behaviors results from a cumulative exchange between their experiences and the nervous system. It all gets coded into the body's neurochemistry as a sort of emotional record. The more they succeed and feel the high, the more likely it is that they will return to this behavior.

It seems, then, that evil is a complicated human behavior for which it's difficult to find a cause, and since we have the cognitive means for viewing evil acts from perspectives that diminish their heinousness, our capacity to commit evil increases---especially if we believe we're doing it for some noble purpose.

further pages under this link:

http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/...gy/evil2/3.html

I agree... demons definately influence mankind

no they dont, cause they dont exist. people just blame these things for what they may do. now some people may have the 'inner demons' for like drugs or alcohol maybe.
but really, people make poor choices in life, its their fault and no one elses. thats why people should be fearing man instead. man kills people, animals and the planet. nothing else does.

Your evidence that they don't exist?

People are under the impression that drugs and alcohol will soothe the savage within but it only exaserbates the problem.


Humans are animals the same as every other warm blooded mammal. They all have the same things about them if you think about it. Live birth, survival instincts, happiness, anger, order and status, ect.... Wild animals kill and eat their prey the same as humans. We've just become a little more civilized about it. The dark side/evil doesn't come with an entity attached it's all about you and what happens naturally. It is up to each person to realize this in themselves and balance it with something good.

I don't believe in good and evil. There is only choices made by ego, influenced by circumstance.

oh goodness, please not this again. ive been in these arguments too many times (when im on both sides).
now ill go 'well give me some proof they do' then you say 'well give me evidence first that they dont', then i go and again, and blah blah blah. its a big mess, and annoys the hell outa everyone.
ill believe theyre real when i actually see one, or someone films one, or a Very credible person grabs a few pics of them on their camera.
i think it could be possible something weird like them could exist, but as of now, id just say people have their 'inner demons' they deal with.

How are people supposed to take pics of something that's invisible?

I know they exist from personal experience. I've had them manifest in me before and I had to get rid of them.

so now all the demons are invisible? as well as satan?

and then they manifested inside of you.......i see
and you got rid of them how? by waking up from the dream?

Yes, they're typically invisible.

I got rid of them by using the Bible and Jesus Christ's name.

goodness gracious. id love to believe it, i really would. but its hard. thats a big claim to make my friend.
being attacked by invisible demons, having them manifest inside of you, then getting rid of them all by yourself with just the power of christ.
i dunno. it still doesnt give any proof to their existance. its just one persons claim that they were attacked by something, that just happens to be invisible......convienient.

No one's blaming the angels who influence evil in this world.

whos blaming the angels for what now?

Yes it is convenient. Changed my life forever.

Woah people still believe in that boogeyman/scapegoat figure the church tries to scare you with?

I am absolutely certain that, even if I'm wrong about God, there is no such thing as Satan.

If the bible is the word of God then it demonstrates that God is evil and good, even if he claims to be all-good. Destroying a city or flooding the planet on a whim does not qualify for Good in my eyes.

very, very true.

No one is.


Cradle: You make a good point. While God is always good to those who love him, he is also the Creator of evil. He controls evil and nothing evil happens without his approval/request. However, those who love HaShem can take peace in the fact that we are his children and shall not face his wrath. But...if your not one who loves HaShem...you should probably worry

You are incorrect. Satan and the multitude of devils that follow him do exist. They are disembodied spirits that live a spirtual dimension and have telepathic contact to the minds of men. They used to be God's angels (perhaps like ufo aliens) but apparently were killed when they fell and lost their physical bodies. They telepathically deceive men with lies and tempt them to do evil, because they want men to go to hell like they will. God is allowing them to test men to see who will do good and who will do evil, to determine which men go to heaven and which go to hell.
One of Satan's biggest deceptions is to make people think that he doesn't exist.
If you believe in Jesus as your Lord and saviour and repent of sin, you will become a real born again Christian and the Holy Spirit of God will come to dwell within you and He will lead you into the truth and you will break free from the lies and deceptions of the devils.
(Accepting Jesus as Lord requires you to obey His teachings for Him to be your Lord. So you should read the King James version New Testament to find out what His teachings are.)

1 Peter 5:6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

1 Peter 5:7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

1 Peter 5:9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

well apparently the knight of zion thought someone did.
and if you dont love HaShem it doesnt matter. anyone can believe in what they want. theres no right or wrong (unless youre talking about killing someone) when it comes to peoples faith.
you wont get struck down by lightening. because if that were the case, alota people should have been dead by now.

Gee, sounds a little fire and brimstone to me. Where do people get this stuff?

Ummmm...the Bible.

Have a nice day.

oh, well nevrmind then. that explains it
thx

They get it from God's inpired Word, the King James version bible. It is the Word of God, and not of men; He showed men that were yielded to His will what to write.

Just preaching it to you; you decide if you want to believe it!!!

1 Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

1 Corinthians 1:20 Where [is] the wise? where [is] the scribe? where [is] the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.


But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

1 Corinthians 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, [yea], and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

1 Corinthians 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

Do you know what Fire and Brimstone means wwf?
You are right it does come from that book filled with fables. Those were just a few of the highlights because you have to read it to believe it. Oh yeah, I did. I have first hand knowledge it's jam packed full of mythology. Devils, gods and all the little players.
Now you have a nice day too

nawwww, i think were all good here. thx

I thought who did what now?