It's strange, but I have noticed that all the people I have met in the Paranormal Field ( Thus Far ) have had an encounter with a UFO / sighting or have UFO interests. Does that seem odd? I think UFO activity could have something to do with some of the Paranormal Phenomena we have going on. What do you guys think?

I'm not quite getting what you're aiming towards...

I have to be quite honest when I say I've never heard this theory beofre.

Neither have I. You hear/learn something new every day.

I often find the same thing.

Believers are deeply engrossed in the field, and witness' and contctees who were never associated with the field become firm believers and very credible witness'.

I've said it quite a few times throughout the forum, this shows intelligence on their behalf to choose credible witness', which tells me that the sightings themselves are only one part of the phenomenon. A high degree of planning has gone into who sees the UFO's, meaning the reporting of cases is just as important as the events themselves.

I also want to add (something else ehich I have wrattled off a few times here) that when you consider the scope of sightings pre-dating personal home video camera's....you notice that the phenomenon changes every few decades. The 'Grays' that we have familiarised ourselves with have only been introduced into UFO folklore within the last 20 years or so. The majority of ET sightings before then revolved around contact with beings that were human in appearance.

There are sooooo many different possibilities, i guess thats one of the reasons people need to talk about all the theories they and others come up with!

I've noticed it 30 years ago.

could it be that people don't get involved until the see something? plenty of people who didn't believe in them after seeing something unexplainable have gotten involved.

Most skeptics are quick to judge 'believers' based on their own beliefs that our science has all the answers. lol that it is impossible . lol Gravity is still a problem to science. yet we believe in it. they say by the laws of physics space travel at high speeds and great distances is improbable/impossible. In the way we understand it yes. but our science is not final. to say it doesn't exist is short sheeting science. those same skeptics said going to the moon was impossible and we've done it. flight was impossible ......... how many other things ?

they may not have the proof they want right now , but eventually it will come. How many scientific theories are believed yet still have no proof ?

UFO (UAP) sightings have occurred for centuries. Many level headed sane educated people have witnessed them. More educated than alot of the skeptics. That may not be physical proof they can hold yet , but it can't be discounted either. to do so is short sighted and uneducated.

and can skeptics say 100% that what is being seen isn't real ? they can't . can they really say our government has nothing ? no they can't.

Other countries have come forward , it's only a matter of time before the US does.

alot of skeptics are as bad ( and in denial ) as the ' delusional' out there about ufo's. the delusional , the fakers ect ...... contaminate honest study that sparse.

actually 'greys' have been around alot longer. Media however latches on to an idea and that is the norm for them. as in the 50's and robots .

Alot of people see things and never report them out of fear of being ridiculed.

I couldn't agree more. Just because we can't explain how deep space travel could be done, doesn't meen others out there don't know how.

Yeah.. but gravity is complex, the laws of physics are complex, getting to the moon is complex, flight is complex, UFOs..... not.

There is no real proof to proove that UFOs are aliens flying sourcers at an amazing speed through our atmosphere defying all the laws of physics at once.



First of all, the stufy of UFOs is NOT science.

And if things keep going like they are now, we will never have any proof since most of the so called "evidence" is hoaxed.



This doesn't change that they could have misunderstood this UFO with something else. Oh I dare to say it! Weather balloons. *Runs for cover* This days when someone sees a UFO ( unidentified flying object) it has to be directly an alien in a flying saucer, well it's not like that, UFO's can be many things since they are not identified, there are many posibilities not just one( alien in a flying saucer).



You are just speculating there.



As long as there is not proof yes we can.



Not if Bush is still in the white house.




They will not be ridiculed as long as they come with an open mind accepting all posibilities other than it being an alien in a flying saucer defying the laws of physics.

The believers call the skeptics close minded, but they do not realise that when they report soomething they come with only one idea, it's an alien, but this can actually be many things other than that and thats what the skeptics do, they present other posibilities but the believer is too close minded and stubborn that he accepts only one of them, it being and alien. I have seen skeptics coming with very good posibilities, the belivers just don't know how to use them, they just accept one.

First... I'm not a fan of George Bush myself. Not all Psychics are accurate, but I know one that is right on the money most of the time. One of her clients said that one of Bush's bodyguard's had a reading with her recently. She said to him do not be with Bush in an Airplane or hang out with him much. Bush is going to get assassinated, and our current Vice President will fill in but has health issues and won't be able to take over Presidential duties because of his health. We might be without a president for a while. To be honest I hope Rudy Giuliani wins his election. He hates how our government is ran and doesn't stand for b.s. I'm not a republican but I like his attitude.

But don't get me started on politics! LOL...

Back to the UFO topic! Not all UFO's are Alien or from another world. I agree with that statement. Sometimes our government are working on new air craft and we just never seen them before when they work on something new. Do I think other life exists in the universe? Yes. To what degree I am not 100% sure myself. I am objective and sort of a skeptic when it comes to Aliens & other life in the universe. It is ashame that so many have hoaxed UFO's and evidence of Aliens and now every time a good piece of evidence turns up, it's hard to say for sure that it's hard evidence. Because of the hoaxer's and false claims I have to think twice. If people didn't do those things, then maybe there's a better chance. Stop hoaxing stuff if you want scientists and skeptics to believe our claims. We keep urging to explore space and Mars for other life in the universe but I think the answer is going to be found on our own planet. Earth still has undiscovered parts as we continue to update our own history for god sakes! I think there will be evidence of other life in the universe that will be found here. I think Humans have worked with them before in ancient times such as Egyptians, Atlantis, etc; There was very advanced civilizations in those times, and you can't tell me that we didn't receive a little help with technology from Aliens. How can we go from propeller airplanes to stealth in under a decade? How can we go from having large computers to microscopic computer chips and fiber optics in such little time? I know we have some smart scientists, but we have advanced in a very short span of time especially when it comes to technology.

We have Spiritual Mediums, Psychics, ESP, and other interesting abilities in the Paranormal world. Who's to say that these people weren't given these abilities as gifts from Aliens? I think UFO's and Aliens play a small part in Paranormal Phenomena. You also have telekinesis.

If there is no such things as Aliens or other life in the universe then why does our government hide it? If they didn't exist, they shouldn't have to be so secretive.

I've had many paranormal experiences but I've never seen or had a UFO encounter... EVER.

I'm the opposite.

I've had many UFO experiences but I've never had a paranormal encounter. Ever.

I agree with you, not all UFOs are aliens from another world, there are mundane things that get misidentified, hoaxes and Military testing of new aircraft would also fit in there.
LOL! Who said that hoaxers want UFOs to be taken seriously? Most likely a hoaxer doesn't care one way or another it's an ego trip for them to pull off the hoax and make people scramble to figure out if it's real or not. They find themselves the center of attention or vicariously through their work, it's just an ego trip.

Well the government can't hide what doesn't exist. Proof, as of yet there is none. The military could allow this type of public speculation to continue to give/provide cover for testing of new aircraft and later state the same tired list of swamps gas explanations or it shows their inability to protect the airspace neither one of those are happy answers. LOL! The list of reasons would be long these are just two and I am sure that there are more.
Regards,
Mabon.

Ive had 3 UAO experiences in my life. really weird ones. I am a Skeptic to the bone. I am not a debunker..so Ripley don't lump the two together. My $2 worth.

This thread reminded me of a question I had about an American movie that I saw years ago. I think it might have been called "Contact"? It was about SETI and a signal which was really a coded blue print to build a space ship, yadda yadda. Anyway, the scene where she lands on whatever planet that was supposed to be in Lyra, she sees her fahter who passed away when she was a child. Now, was that supposed to really be her father? Some energy or alien life taking on his form? I was so confused! I would greatly appreciate someone explaining that scene to me.

I think what it was supposed to be was that the alien entity had probed her mind and contacted her by taking on the image of someone she loved and would be happy to see.



Edit: spelling correction.

My personal interpretation was that it was an alien taking the form of her father, a form she would not feel threatened by.

Thank you duality and chaoszerg! That makes the movie even more interesting now... Maybe I need to watch it again! I liked the complexity of the signal sent (that was extremely creative!). Now, with the twist that this life was able to take on the form and personality of someone from her memory there is a new bridge. Time for me to google! Science Fiction or Science Fact, I love it all.

I've always suspected that there was something more than meets the eye when talking about the UFO phenomenon.

For example, Jacques Vallee has calculated the amount of physical "alien" landings to about 3 million in just 20 years, something that has been confirmed by other researches. Why wouldn't sattelites be enough to document the earth? Why so many landings? Another point is that these aliens do not treat us as "just animals" - most of the reported abductions (if we are to believe them) occur from around 6.00 pm to about 5.00 am - the peak is between 01.00-03.00 am - when most of us sleep.

Another thing is the occupants of these crafts themselves (again, if we are to believe eyewitnesses). Apparently, none of the 2000 different alien races reported have any problem with breathing on our planet, neither do they have problems with viruses and bacteria in our air. Some of them even speak english and other human languages perfectly, and many have humanoid shapes and looks - i.e., not the ideal biological preference in space.

These aliens also seems to have a lot of tricks. Remember the Barney and Betty Hill "starmap"? It apparently led nowhere. Betty claims that one of the aliens asked her if she knew where she were on the starmap, when she said no, they just forgot about the matter. This has some connections to the "ghost airships" during the late 1800's, where occupants (again, mysterious "humans") asked for water, and when witnesses asked them from where they came, the answer would be "where it doesn't rain" or "from anywhere". What are they hiding?

If anything, I strongly recommend anyone to take a look on Vallee's book "Dimensions". I know, this may sound like a one-sided argument, but I still think he brings up many interesting questions and point of views that the things people have been seing just may not be aliens from another planet.

I didn't read all the posts but this thread isn't making much sense.

I saw a golf club so I decided to buy a set of golf clubs only to find out that, other people that saw and bought golf clubs, play golf.

i belive most skeptics will reamain in debunker mode untill they themselves have that experince that alot of us have had. when i saw the craft i saw (a classic 4 ball saucer) it was crazy. i could hear a pin drop because even the bugs and crickets had stopped making noise. all i could make out for noise was a deep hum coming from above us as this thing slowly moved over my house. when you see one of these things it will drive you nuts tring to rationlize it in your head. i'ld love to know before i die what it was.

A classic 4 ball saucer????? they have classics now. You make it seem like you see them all the time on a regular basis and all the different models to boot. lol

lol i've only seen two ufos one was the first one i saw which was the saucer and the other was a deltoid. lol i say "classic" because some skeptics say that these things have progressed with our own technology and that the ufos seen during the 40s-60s are not seen nor reported anymore. all i can say is maybe what saw was some poor aliens who had to get a 5th hand saucer or maybe it had antique tags! lol but it was the kinda saucer style that some say are the nazi derived models.

I think that when a person tries to look for a thing, they will eventually find it. People browsing these forums have probably had it in their minds to look for UFO's for years, and probably other things such as ghosts. That is the commonality. If you cast your eyes skyward more often than most people which is generally a requirement for people who visit these forums you are much more likely to have an encounter. The same applies for other paranormal phenomena. If you go around looking for ghosts or whatever, your mind will find such things more often than people who do not think about such things.

A vivid imagination can also make you believe you had a genuine encounter when all you saw was a airplane in the distance. It can make a Ouija board work or cause you to think that dark shadow in your basement and a high EMF from the fuse box is a ghost. The same part of your brain that is responsible for making you see clouds in the sky as animals because of their shape can also allow you to see false paranormal phenomena and UFO's.

I certainly think that area of the subject doesn't get enough attention. I find John Keel's work facsinating, as well as the theories proposed by Jenny Randles in time Storms, I'll be interested to see what this book has to say, thanks for the tip, i'm going to get that book

I subscribe to the church of sightings progess with our own technology.