I do not necessarily promote or negate these claims...but I noticed there's been some talk on the possiblity/impossibility of this religious practice, and I came across an essay that addresses this issue. Just thought to those of you who had questions about it, you may find it interesting.

LINK to essay

The Christian holy book is the Bible, therefore the definition of the term 'Christian' should come from the Bible. You can call yourself whatever you want, but that doesn't mean that it is true.

A person who is a Christian (by Biblical definition) cannot follow another religion. Period. Those who claim to be 'Christians' yet do not hold to the teachings of Jesus are not Christian.

Any attempt to merge Christianity with another religion is admittance to the Truth of the Bible but refusal to accept it. Many claim that the Bible has been altered and the true message of the scriptures has been written over by shadowy power-mongering church leaders. Convienently they claim that the altered scriptures are the scriptures that they do not like, and what the Bible was originally saying is the teaching they are trying to promote. This blasphemy is gaining more and more momentum as we get closer to what is known in the book of Revelation as 'Mystery Babylon'- a one world religion. This one world religion will be the spiritual counterpart to the one world government that is also prophecied.

Whether or not you believe in what I'm saying, you can be assured that this union of religion will be realized. It has already started with the teaching that is sweeping the internet known as Astrotheology.

Whatever 'Christians' at the time are doing or believing, this type of teaching is clearly unBiblical. If you don't believe in the Bible then leave it alone and quit playing Twister with my scriptures.

I would say the Bible is very clear on it's position on witchcraft.

Gal 5:20-21 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

People may call themselves a Christian, but that doesn't mean they are. By Christianity's standards a person can not be a Christian witch.

The OT has a lot to say in regards to witchcraft also. See Exodus 22:18 Deut. 18:10 2 Chronicles 33:6 Micah 5:12. It is not just a christian "no-no", but also a Jewish one.

Ya, like I say I don't know how Christian Witches deal with the differents in the two Paths. I think a Christian and a Witch can live together but share their beliefs I just don't see it. To each his own I guess.
I don't like to judge who is christian or wiccan or who is not. The Gods have to sort that out.


What is Astrotheology, Llucid?

my word. if i cant get get angry at something, eny someone, or get wasted then im not going to the kingdom of god? meh, w/e. alcohols more fun.

I can kind of see how they do it kind of.

Mostly the term "Christian" is ambiguous and hardly means much anymore except to define a person who believes Christ as their Savior.

Even within the recognized denominations and sects of Christianity there's very little agreement on some of the more central aspects of theology and practice. I can see how someone would believe Christ as Savior, while also believing the peices they choose from the Wiccan disciplines.

Is it right to do that? I have no idea and we'll probably never know.

Hands Mulder a beer. Eat drink and be marry for tomorrow we my die.

Actually, a Christian is someone who follows Christ, not just one who claims that Christ is their Savior. Many will claim that Christ is their savior, but that doesn't make it so. Jesus said that he would tell many that He never knew them.

Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

hahaha. well thank ya
i shall drink to that!

You failed to see the point of my post. But that doesn't surprise me.

I know what point you were trying to make but I don't think it was an accurate representation of what it means to be a "Christian"

A Christian is a follower of Christ.

i havent read the previous posts, but misconceptions do exists about what exactly a "christian" is.

i bet my left eye that his complaints were human faults, not faults in the christian doctrine himself.

Of course that's correct.

My mother follows Christ's teachings. She's not a Christian. That was the point I was making. The term is ambiguous.

No religious practice is impossible, if you believe in it, you can practice it, Christianity and Wicca may not mix together very well, but it is possible. Take parts of the beliefs from each religion and mix them together. Just because the Bible says witchcraft is wrong doesn't mean anything. I mean, the two major belief systems I follow are pretty much exact opposites of each other, but I've found a way to make it work.

It is perfectly possible to follow the teachings of Christ, and have aspect of Wicca in your beliefs, don't let anyone restrict what you can believe.

I agree Genocyde.

A good example might be that I am a convinced member of the RSOF, but I do attend services at the local Mennonite meeting house. My theological beliefs embrace some of the Mennonite tenets, but their primary practices don't particularly speak to me. The great part is, they aren't bothered by it, and neither am I.

One practice that differs greatly is that the RSOF don't perform water baptism, it's not prohibited though and you're welcomed to be baptised elsewhere, but that's not a rite we observe. The Mennonite on the other hand are what I affectionately call "double-dunkers" they believe in twice baptism for salvation. It doesn't matter that we believe differently, we're both still Christian groups, I like some of their theology and I incorporate it into my own practice. They warmly welcome me to their Meetings.

So how do you decide what to incorporate into your beliefs?

You incorporate into your beliefs.....what you believe in.....lol, its not really a big mystery.

That didn't make any sense.

I would assume that someone would need a foundation for their beliefs.

I've already talked to you about this WWF. Shall I post the link for you again? I'd be happy to do that.

http://midlothianfriends.org/beliefs/beliefs.asp

So what if your "inner light" is wrong?

How doesn't it make sense? Your belief system, is made up of what you believe. Which is why it's called a belief system. You don't need a foundation for them, a lot of people believe in mainstream religions, so they use them as a foundation, but you can believe anything.

Sure you can believe anything but that doesn't mean you should.

Christian witch is rather oxymoronic. [I'm pretty sure I just made that word up. Lol] It clearly states in the Bible that witchcraft is looked down upon and evil, and you may not worship any other Gods or Goddesses, nor practice any other religions. The entire thing is contradictory.

How could it be wrong? It's filled with the Holy Spirit. It says so right in the Bible. Now, what you choose to do with it is something else entirely.

Where does it say there is an inner light in you that is filled with the Holy Spirit?

I would say there is a difference between having the Holy Spirit and being filled with the Holy Spirit.

Read the Gospel of John.

Well it's your belief. Shouldn't your provide a reference to the proposed information? I've read the Gospel of John already and haven't read such a thing.

As far as I can tell the "Light" it talks about is Jesus. Not just some "inner light" as that website speaks of. And just because you have Jesus doesn't mean you automatically receive the Holy Spirit right away. There is a Baptism of the Holy Spirit that occurs.

An example of this is in Acts 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

The men hadn't received the Holy Spirit after accepting Christ until Paul laid hands on them and baptized them with the Holy Spirit.

I don't debate scripture. Period.

I can only point you in the right direction. If you believe that an entire sect of Christianity are a bunch of complete misguided nuts, that is your perogative. However, dig deep inside and let the Holy Spirit guide you.

I'm well aware of Paul's Baptism of Light. Quakers practice it. We do not practice water baptism.

The thing is, I don't see anything like that in John and I looked through all the scriptures about the Holy Spirit.

That's been my point. Of course you don't see it. Your interpretation is different from mine. Which is why I don't debate it.

There's nothing to debate. Apparently you told me to go search the Gospel of John for a scripture that doesn't appear to be there. What's the point? If you don't know where it is or it doesn't exist, why are you telling me to look for it.

It is definitely a Jewish "no no" however, it isn't ncessarily a Christian one. Christians have a large span of beliefs.



I follow Christ's teachings as well, and I am not a Christian (any longer).


What part of, "I (meaning MMW) don't debate scripture" did you fail to understand? She said "My interpretation is different than yours. That's why I don't debate it." Meaning, she thinks this way, you think that way, and neither of you will change. Debate? No because all you'll do is go round and round in a circular argument over something that shouldn't have been debated in the first place.

It is there, but I won't print it because it's not up for debate with me. You won't agree with my church's interpretation. So all I can do is respectfully tell you where I believe the core of my faith is. It's in the Gospel of John, but if I point it out to you directly, you will disagree and in fact will never agree, so you're right, there's nothing to debate, it's over before it's started. It's why I don't debate scripture. It's pointless and non-productive.

300 years ago my faith was expelled from England because of our belief which comes directly from the Gospel of John. We came to America, and were persecuted again by the Puritans. Don't you think it's pretty bad when Christians are persecuting other Christians because of their interpretation of the Bible? I do. I think it's awful.

It's the belief that all religions originate with the worship of the sun. It's the arguement that is presented in the first part of 'Zeitgeist'. I'm sure you're familar with the sudden burst in comparisons between Christianity and other religions. This isn't the thread to debate the substance of the stance, but it's pretty obvious that people have been looking for a common thread to tie everything together with. I believe they have found it in Astrotheology.

Actually (since I have had quite a bit of experience with Christian persecution) I would say the Bible has hardly anything to do with it. They dislike you because your different. Even as a Christian I faced persecution from the mainstreamers. I think a lot of it has to do with the attitude that pastors present to their congregations. The average Christian doesn't know jack squat about the Bible or Christianity. They go to church, listen to their pastors, and spread what their pastors tell them. Christian vs Christian persecution isn't as much about interpretation as it is about "I'm right and your not, therefore I hate you."

So if your faith is what it says it is, why are you trying to hide scriptures to support it when others ask?

Which would be one reason my church doesn't have clergy. We are all capable of ministering God's word equally.

I'm not trying to debate her. She told me to go look for a scripture that is apparently not there and I don't particularly care for people wasting my time like that.

Your starting to post in a Sheri-like manner, ya know, where your not reading peoples posts but just replying for your agenda. She said she won't debate it because you and her disagree on interpretation. We can all see that much from both of your posting styles. It's the same reason I refrain from arguments with Atheists. IMO, to have a successful debate you must have SOME common ground on the topic. You and she, do not have a common understanding of Scripture, therefore a debate would be pointless. No one is hiding anything, they're simply refusing to provide evidence for you because we already know the evidence won't do anything.


While we disagree on what God's word is, I agree.

She said the Gospel of John. Then you said "I don't see any verses in John which support your view" She then told you "Then we shouldn't even continue on this topic because we have different interpretations", then you said, "What do you have to hide?" See the flaw in that flow of conversation?

It would be my considered opinion that you don't know a whole lot about Wicca. There are dang near as many denominations of Wicca as there are Christianity. And for the record, there are many Wiccans that don't worship a deity at all. Having said that, the Christian Witch I know worships that Christian God and has accepted Jesus as her savior.

I'm curious about the interpretation of the "witchcraft" thing. I read here once, that back in Jesus' day witchcraft interpreted as "poisoning or concocting poisons." And to "mean harm by means of magic or concoctions." I.E. "black magic" I guess. Which has no place in the world of Wicca. I don't say this as fact, as a matter of "fact", I'm mostly asking/pointing these things out to learn if there's more to be said on it.

No, there is simply no scripture saying anything close to what she said. Instead she wasted my time by asking me to look for something that doesn't appear to exist.

Ok WWF...

6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

7The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.


But you won't agree. So I'm not sure what the point was. Are you going to freak out and tell me how wrong I am now? I'll be up front and tell you that's what I believe you will do.... I'm seeing in to the future now. You're going to tell me how wrong I am and how I've (and millions of others) have misunderstood or misinterpreted teh Bible. Do you see now why I wont' debate it? WE'LL never agree.

During my Christian days I tried to do Christian witchcraft, but I don't see how the witchcraft part is possible without the help of an outside spirit. You could use your own power, but that would take a lot. Of course, I only tested with Necromancy since that's where I have experience. Maybe it's different for other forms of witchcraft? I bet Darkwind would know.

Okay, so you are suggesting that the Light isn't Jesus, but rather just some special "light within"? I'm not debating, I'm asking.

err...edited. sorry for the double post

Yes yes where is Darkwind when we need him? *lawlz*

In every person we believe there is a certain element of God's own spirit and divine energy. You'll often hear this said as "that of God in everyone," or sometimes teh "seed of Christ," or the "seed of Light," it's a direct reference to John 1:9: "the Light that enlighteneth every man who comes into the world."

We believe can't have first hand knowledge of God except through what is experienced, or inwardly revealed to the individual human being through the working of God's Light.

I know. For a literalist like yourself, this is a bit of a brain crunch. It's highly spiritual, highly meditative, incredibly individual, and I understand that a person like you sees it as dangerous. I get that, I really do.

I only see it as dangerous if someone interprets something inside them as God when it isn't.