QUOTE(MDH @ Aug 18 2007, 09:55 AM)

What a f****ng useless forum. I just wrote a whole rebuttal of mister A's response here but I had to "Sign in" which deleted my post....
Anyway,
No one on this planet has the godly powers to tell people or not whether they are in fact psychic. Nor are dogs, birds, snakes, magicians, clowns or anyone on this forum.
See, if they'd completed philosophy 1 and actually listened to the damn teacher ranting up there, they'd be able to tell "Reality is objective, I am not all powerful! Wow! Even I'm not magical, professor danny!"
Unfourtunately some people lack the brilliant ability to distinguish and not throw the baby out with the bath water. This includes extremist fundementalists and skeptics.
Now if there's an infallible being, I'd say a rock. OR a breath of there. We know that's there, right?
Just like so I Hear psychics experience...
But what can I Say??
I, just like Kevin here, are a completey infallable introversively and fallable human being.
Anyway-- I'm off to San Fransisco. Back in nine days.
MDH OUT.
MDH,
First off Mister A. is my father. Feel free to call me Kevin. Most do.
Please feel free to take your time and come up with a well thought out rebuttal of my post. I encourage you to do so.
QUOTE(Barek Halfhand @ Aug 18 2007, 11:08 AM)

Why...because kevin and his little link says so?
a dog can track for up to 1500 miles?
MR Halfhand will do....
edit:I threw my laptop against the wall the last time that happened to me MDH..if its a long post type it up on "notepad" first...
Mr Halfhand,
Perhaps I should have expanded on my point. Dogs can track due to a incredible sense of smell. Dogs seem to be able to track a path due to sounds or visual landmarks that they memorize. There are other senses listed on that link that probably all work together to get the odd lost animal home. We know they can find their way home over a short distance, relatively speaking, but it is only now and then (and maybe even rarer than what people like to report. A look alike cat shows up lol) that they find their way over a very long distance. This couldn't boil down to luck could it? Maybe only the odd animal that uses all its senses and all the conditions are right allowing it to happen?
Why are we trying to call using senses that evolved for survival, passed down from ancestors and still present in their wild cousins, or sheer luck psychic powers? Take a look at the link Please Explain posted. We all have read the story of this cat or others like it. Why does this have to be a magical power? Could it just be that they are sensing a change in the dying persons body? Perhaps the persons metabolism changes and their smell changes accordingly? This does not have to be a "psychic" power. It could be just the result of keen senses.
QUOTE(FrankBlunt @ Aug 18 2007, 11:58 AM)

Kevin,
I became a student of the homing phenomenon weeks ago, and did significant reading on the subject. You might have missed this quote from the link you provided above.
Suffice it to say, it's not an open and shut case. How would you account for insects hatching from their eggs, having no parents to guide them, and managing to survive? "Instinct" is an unscientific cop-out on the part of the researcher.
Frank Blunt,
No, I read that part of the link as well of course. My point is just what I stated above in this post. Why try and attribute psychic powers to something that is probably(emphasis there) just keen senses or luck? I do agree that some real tests should be done and the information presented. I wish someone would test this and present the results for us all to see but I still do not expect psychic powers to be proven here. What makes more sense? Hither to unknown psychic powers or a combination of normal senses and luck? Though we have to look at the serious studies done in researching human psychic abilities? No earth shattering results there.
Ok let us look at instinct. Perhaps we should be studying how this unscientific cop out passes from parent to child? Again the seemingly unknown does not serve as evidence of psychic powers.
Again some serious studies and published results would be great but I highly doubt we would see psychic powers proven.
Kevin A.