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vef3oh
How can parallel universes exist? Supposedly, there are an infinite number, each universe differing based on what is possible. But if it is in fact true that for each possibility of something, there is a universe, then wouldn't there be a universe where people travel to each universe and kill everyone, because of because there is a possibility of that happening? So therefore, parallel universes cannot exist, because if they did, then we wouldn't be here, because there would be a universe where people come and kill everyone in each other universe. Can you guys understand what I'm trying to say? Haha, probably not xD
Startraveler
The idea of there being a different universe for each possibility isn't quite that (although I'm sure there's some variant of that somewhere out there). The idea I think you're referring to is called the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics and it doesn't suggest there are different universes but rather different (for lack of a better word) worlds, playing out all around you in this universe. It can be a little tough to wrap your mind around but quantum mechanics allows for superpositions of all the possibilities, meaning it seems they are all playing out at once. But that's not happening in different universes, it's happening right here in this universe. You're only aware of one outcome of a measurement or one state occurring but in the MWI, it's all happening. No need for other universes.
fullywired
Have a look at this site ,it has an interesting theory


http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2001/paralleluni.shtml
Mr.Dot
Whatever way you choose, theres always one path. I dont understand the fifth dimension and whats up with all these parallel universes? I just dont see why they have to be there... Nonsense... dontgetit.gif
greggK
QUOTE(vef3oh @ Aug 17 2007, 02:55 PM) *
How can parallel universes exist? Supposedly, there are an infinite number, each universe differing based on what is possible. But if it is in fact true that for each possibility of something, there is a universe, then wouldn't there be a universe where people travel to each universe and kill everyone, because of because there is a possibility of that happening? So therefore, parallel universes cannot exist, because if they did, then we wouldn't be here, because there would be a universe where people come and kill everyone in each other universe. Can you guys understand what I'm trying to say? Haha, probably not xD


That's a neat question!

The answer is in the anti-particle. You have to go atomic with the answer and smaller, to the sub-atomic. I do not know the exact nomenclature of it, but I hear that of every particle of the atom, there is an anti-particle. An example, set a glass on a table and stare at it for a minute then pick the glass up. What do you see on the table? You should see the opposite reflection of the glass for just a hairbreadth. That's my experience.

If what you say is real and it is not hard to imagine because that is the concept of the Christian bible, then the purpose for the upheaval in the world is because a higher level of being has evolved in this universe and that the power that is conquering now will be conquered and that all power will eventually be conquered so that there will be no power and that no power is the power of the all since it has conquered all.
camlax
QUOTE(Startraveler @ Aug 17 2007, 05:05 PM) *
The idea of there being a different universe for each possibility isn't quite that (although I'm sure there's some variant of that somewhere out there). The idea I think you're referring to is called the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics and it doesn't suggest there are different universes but rather different (for lack of a better word) worlds, playing out all around you in this universe. It can be a little tough to wrap your mind around but quantum mechanics allows for superpositions of all the possibilities, meaning it seems they are all playing out at once. But that's not happening in different universes, it's happening right here in this universe. You're only aware of one outcome of a measurement or one state occurring but in the MWI, it's all happening. No need for other universes.


Yes, it does sound like he is talking about MWI. The problem with MWI was and still is, science works on falsifiability. How do you test your MWI? Go to another world? And how do you go about doing that? Its an interesting theory, but I would think there is plenty of pondering left to do for stuff in our own world.
Startraveler
It's an interpretation, meaning we take an existing theoretical framework and try to make sense of it. It isn't falsifiable because it isn't science per se--rather, it's a reflection of our understanding of what the science means. We can have knowledge without understanding but I don't know many people who are content to leave it at that.
camlax
QUOTE(Startraveler @ Aug 18 2007, 04:23 PM) *
It's an interpretation, meaning we take an existing theoretical framework and try to make sense of it. It isn't falsifiable because it isn't science per se--rather, it's a reflection of our understanding of what the science means. We can have knowledge without understanding but I don't know many people who are content to leave it at that.



Yes I am aware it is an interpretation, I was not calling it science. And pardon me for using the world theory. You are correct in that it is not science and not falsifiable. For something to really be science it needs to be so.
jojodan
Regarding parallel universes and alternate dimensions;
From all I have read and understand, everything vibrates at a specific frequency, EVERYTHING from a rock to humans to the cosmos. Depending on the vibratory frequency that one emits or resonates with - will determine what can be percieved and experienced at that level of frequency. supposedly earth and it inhabitants are fairly stable at a similar frequency which allows us to perceive each other and that around us. NOW increase that frequency to a different "notch" and that which no longer resonates... will be OUT of our perceived reality/visibility.. (especially that which vibrates at a higher rate)
an analogy I like is that of a fan blade. when the fan blade is still or moving slow we are able to see the blades but when it is running at full volumn and speed, we no longer can see the blades clearly but rather see right through them. we know they are not invisible but our mind and eyes can no longer see them.... and so it is with other vibrational frequencies that are different than our own, we cannot see them.. BUT they exist. ie ; interdimensional beings, discarnate entities, angels etc
Another analogy is radio stations.. we can tune the frequency to match that of the dial, but what happens to the multitude of other stations that are at different frequencies? We no longer hear them but yet they are still there.
There is an infinate number of cosmic frequencies and each determines it own reality, parallel reality from our own.

There are often times when we get a glimpse or sense of these parallel worlds. Like those who have an experience with a departed loved one, either visually or some other sense of their presence like smells, sensory or auditory or even in dreams where they INTENTIONALLY make their presense known.
There are those who have the ability to percieve higher freqencies such as some adepts and psychics and at times all of us.
And I have read numerous accounts of those who percieved a dark shadow figure passing by them or peripherally
There are those who have experienced time slips (such as myself) and phenomena where they were suddenly in a different place or the environment shifted. Perhaps a momentary overlapping of frequencies causing a glimpse of a parallel world. There are earth grids and ley lines that intersect that have different frequencies. Science is still in the dark as to their purpose and effect.
Pyramids and ancient temples were built to intersect these lay lines for various higher purposes....
OK , I'll stop, I could go on and on.
I believe unequivocally that parallel worlds and realities exist . Perhaps an open mind to the possibility will allow us to understand more in time.
Magnatude
When you look at the mechanics on how we perceive things with our senses you could then understand how we can be missing out on the greater picture of things.

Our senses (Sight, smell, hearing, touch, taste) are based on signals that are "copies" of your body's surroundings.
Your brain recieves signals and your brain interperates the signals.

Keeping the above in mind, "you" recieve information in a few cubic inches in the back of your brain.

I once was able to see without using this mechanism (I'll likely post it on my blog when I have time later today) and I can tell you from my own experience that there is more information in this world that our senses are incapable of perceiving.

The experience has changed my life, and I hope to one day master the ability.
But I can tell you with 100% certainty that you are seeing/experiencing one probability ot of infinite possibilities.
There is a parallel universe that overlays everything around us (an in fact IS us)
IzzyGone
Deep thoughts. Interesting for sure. I think the Mayan say there are 13 dimensions...not sure tho.
I think it's all possible that there are outcomes based on actions which then manifest a reality that you are in as a 'current'. For example, a young girl visited me the other day (neighbor friend took on an abandoned teenager for a while)... and she told me about a friend of hers that died just the day before. He and his family moved to Seatle and he and father had decided on a bike ride that day. Took a certain bike path and unfortunately, a semi lost control, running them both over and the boy died because he was caught under a wheel. She kept saying over and over... if only they had waited a few minutes to take that ride, this might not have happened... and that's just 'so true'.

I experience this all the time myself... I write things, visit with people, make purchases and my biggie signal comes from 'number'. If you pay attention to certain things, you might see that certain 'things' pay attention to 'us' too. Least that's what I find in my reality. Sometimes colors are brighter, sometimes sounds are different, sometimes I have what feel like 'vertigo'... in my own home even and I wonder if I've walked 'thru' some type of 'warp' or shift... then I might notice the time or the date or a newpaper that reflects number that is 'specific' to my life.

Not that any of this makes sense, but none of it does, so why not add my 2 bits. original.gif
Thanks for the interesting topic.
nice to meet you original.gif
shantiel
QUOTE(vef3oh @ Aug 17 2007, 01:55 PM) *
How can parallel universes exist? Supposedly, there are an infinite number, each universe differing based on what is possible. But if it is in fact true that for each possibility of something, there is a universe, then wouldn't there be a universe where people travel to each universe and kill everyone, because of because there is a possibility of that happening? So therefore, parallel universes cannot exist, because if they did, then we wouldn't be here, because there would be a universe where people come and kill everyone in each other universe. Can you guys understand what I'm trying to say? Haha, probably not xD




well, not if they can't get in...then they can't. Reminds me of that show with the Slestacks on the land of the lost going into those little pyramids to time travel. laugh.gif
snappydragon
Interesting guys, for sure. The vibration theory there, would that explain ghosts and such and seeing other things that simply shouldn't be there? give me a reference to look at would you?
Mr.Dot
The world had parallel universes when I was really stoned and I wasen't sure in witch one i was laugh.gif
What if it is true blink.gif A one time thing and nothing illegal here. But it sure was a strange experience.
Buddharat
The last I heard, quantum mechanics have theoratically proven something like 28 different universes (multi-verses I think is the right name). They also say they could prove more in the future. I guess that theory doesn't address the infinite universes, but who knows, in the future they might. Also, the vibrational theory is something called String Theory, which is how scientists proved that more than one object can occupy the same space at the same time. Really far out stuff, I'm constently amazed that science is finally addressing topics that my lead to the proof of ghosts, gods, and interdimensional ufos.

Along with this topic, I'd be very interested if anything proving or disproving the multiverse theory will be shown when the hubble telescope is fitted with it's new cameras. It's not supposed to be done for a few years, but the new cameras are supposed to be so strong that they will actually be able to photograph almost back to the time of the big bang (the theory behind it is that what we see in space is actually the past, so if the camera is powerful enough, it will eventually be able to see the big bang). It's also going to be fitted with special filters or something to allow it to photography different spectrums of light, so when it starts taking these photos of the past and picking up images our eyes can't normally see, we might find out some crazy stuff.

Sorry, kind of out there reply. hmm.gif Hope it helps.
PsiSeeker
QUOTE(vef3oh @ Aug 17 2007, 08:55 PM) *
How can parallel universes exist? Supposedly, there are an infinite number, each universe differing based on what is possible. But if it is in fact true that for each possibility of something, there is a universe, then wouldn't there be a universe where people travel to each universe and kill everyone, because of because there is a possibility of that happening? So therefore, parallel universes cannot exist, because if they did, then we wouldn't be here, because there would be a universe where people come and kill everyone in each other universe. Can you guys understand what I'm trying to say? Haha, probably not xD


I don't think there would be a possibility of going from one parallel universe to another if they existed in that sense. The space "inbetween" the two universes would have to be in a dimension other than the "4th from the 3rd's perspective." (the one that we occupy) It would be impossible to travel INTO that space and OUT OF that space from this dimension as a three dimensional object because there is nothing for the 3rd dimension to grab onto.

I think this universe in itself is a fluke to have somehow managed to join the 3rd and 4th dimension. I think the whole reason the big bang took place to begin with is because what we perceive as this universe was initially completely motionless within a higher dimensional state. Something caused the motionless to lose its harmony and all of a sudden there was a hell of a lot of friction and outward force in the 3rd/4th dimension which demanded rapid expansion due to the physical laws that came into play when it happened. (This would also explain why scientific laws break down as we near the beginning of the universe, thats simply because at the beginning this dimension didn't exist and you can't apply our laws to something that doesn't perceivably exist.)

The 5th seems to exist but we can't interpret it directly, only postulate. Its supposed to be every possible event that could occur in the 4th dimension. It can't exist along side the 3rd dimension like the 4th does it would have to happen just beyond.. Try imagining what it must be like reaching out from a 2d world into a 3d world. This is what this is like you can't quite do it but it is there.
Juupy froot
What about the universes where such people cannot travel? surely those would exist?
jojodan
QUOTE(snappydragon @ Sep 12 2007, 12:41 AM) *
Interesting guys, for sure. The vibration theory there, would that explain ghosts and such and seeing other things that simply shouldn't be there? give me a reference to look at would you?


Snappy, The level of one's vibrational frequency determines what they are able to see and sense. Which normally is that which is most similar to their own or lower frequencies. Ghosts , spirits beings and ET's vibrate at different (faster) speeds so usually we cannot perceive them. However... in some cases ghosts (discarnate beings) who have died with much emotional "Baggage" ie violent or suicidal deaths may stay earthbound for a while rather than ascend to higher dimensions. So in these cases their vibrational frequency stays at a level that is closer to earth and human vibration. The energies of these "restless or confused " beings may penetrate the veil of dimensions allowing us to more easily sense their presence.
Now in other cases where spirit beings, departed loved ones and ET's make their presence seen or sensed... they have INTENTIONALLY lowered their vibrational frequency to a level that is closer to the human that encounters them for the purpose of contact. But I understand that they cannot maintain this for long periods of time ( it's too uncomfortable) which is why sightings are often brief.
You ask for a reference to look at but I can't give you a specific book, passage and page to read as this information has been a personal cumulative research for over a decade. There are hundreds of books and CD's covering this info.
some interesting authors are.... Dolores Cannon, Michio Kaku, Fred Wolf
Hope this helps...
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