Pharoahe
Dec 25 2003, 09:08 PM
I first became interested in this when I was doing a paper for school on Easter Island, and I came across a webpage that had facts about the Great Pyramid. The pyramid is the only one of the 7 wonders of the world still standing. It was built in the town of Giza in Egypt which is now known as Cairo. There is a lot of things about the pyramid that I found quite interesting. The pyramid was built around 2500 BC. It stood at 481 feet, the tallest structure on the Earth until the Eiffel Tower was built over 4,500 years later.
Interesting facts that made me think twice:
1.) The smallest stones used in the process were 4,000 pounds
2.) The pyramid consists of over 2 million of these blocks and there is enough stone to create a 10 foot high, 1 foot thick wall around the country of France
3.) It is said that 100,000 would be needed to build something like this. There was not even that many people in this area at that time
4.) Each of the sides are aligned almost exactly with true North, West, South, and East
5.)Each side of the Great Pyramid rises at an angle of 51.5 degrees to the top each not more than .2 of an inch off
6.) The base of the pyramid covers over 13 acres of land, each side has an area of over 5 acres, the base covers more than 7 blocks in New York City and they are massive
7.) Supposedly the pyramid was supposedly built in 20 years, scientists say something like this could take lifetimes
8.) Slaves have been said to built the pyramid for the pharoah who ordereed it, the pharoah died in the middle of construction so why would these slaves continue to work for years straight when they didn't believe in the same things as the Egyptians. The slaves were from Africa
9.) The stones used were brought from miles and miles away, more than you might think and how did they get 2.3 million stones all weighing an average of 5,000 pounds to the area
10.) We aren't even able to replicate this pyramid today
Think about it...and for anyone who posts to this, there is a lot of information i did not include, I was getting bored of typing
thefirstman
Dec 25 2003, 09:54 PM
Well until we can time trvel,we may never know.
Ancient World Wonders
Dec 25 2003, 11:46 PM
| QUOTE (Pharoahe @ Dec 25 2003, 08:08 PM) |
1.) The smallest stones used in the process were 4,000 pounds
4.) Each of the sides are aligned almost exactly with true North, West, South, and East. |
#1 is wrong. The smallest stones used in the pyramids were filler stones behind the WHITE STONE SLABS that once covered the pyramids to make them glisten like glass.
#4 is also incorrect. 2500 years ago, the position of the stars were slightly different than today, so the four distances on the compass were PRECISELY correct when each pyramid was built long ago.
johnlod
Dec 26 2003, 12:44 AM
Hi folks
New to this forum, but there is another interesting theory about the pyramids that comes from economics.
Apparently the reason why there is more than one was because the authorities at the time were terrified of all the pyramid builders becomming idle at the same time. There were generations of people building the first pyramid, and rather than let them roam free and try to find other work ........ the authorities decided to just keep building pyramids.
John
http://www.classicalien.com
Ancient World Wonders
Dec 26 2003, 01:03 AM
Nope. Dead wrong. They wanted to duplicate the stars. The pyramids at Giza exactly resemble that of what I think is Orien's belt.
Benjo Koolzooie
Dec 26 2003, 03:20 AM
Welcome here John!
bathory
Dec 26 2003, 05:50 AM
| QUOTE |
| Slaves have been said to built the pyramid for the pharoah who ordereed it, the pharoah died in the middle of construction so why would these slaves continue to work for years straight when they didn't believe in the same things as the Egyptians. The slaves were from Africa |
because they are slaves?
thefirstman
Dec 26 2003, 02:30 PM
| QUOTE |
| Nope. Dead wrong. They wanted to duplicate the stars. The pyramids at Giza exactly resemble that of what I think is Orien's belt. |
You seem pretty certain of your theory,have you any info(pics etc.)to back it up?
wunarmdscissor
Dec 26 2003, 02:43 PM
firstman ,Atlantis rises is right about the pyramids being aligned to Orion's belt. There has been a lot of study in this area, though it has to be said that most of the other pyramids don't have any specific astrological significance.
Maybe we are underestimating the will and intellegence of the people who designed these pyrimids. Remeber that ancient egypt had a strict class system. Meaning whilst most of the population had little or no education, certain members within the society would have been quite intelligent.
The things that interest me most are the fact that at the same time and before in cambodia and south america ie. the incas and aztecs people where doing the exact same thing. Maybe not on the scale of Giza but still quite interesting.
There is a guy who's quite famous here (sorry i forget his name) who;s trying to prove that there is some sort link.
Who knows? He believes that atlantis (if indeed such a place ever existed) played an integral part in all this.
I dont know what to believe but it a cool subject.
wunarmdscissor
Dec 26 2003, 02:46 PM
Pharoahe.
| QUOTE |
| It is said that 100,000 would be needed to build something like this. There was not even that many people in this area at that time |
are you sure of this fact? Im not saying your wrong but ive been interested in this subject for a while and haven't heard of this before.
thefirstman
Dec 26 2003, 02:48 PM
| QUOTE |
| I dont know what to believe but it a cool subject. |
Indeed it is.
Thanks for setting me straight.Is there any photos,or diagrams which show the alignment of the pyramids?
wunarmdscissor
Dec 26 2003, 02:51 PM
Ill get back to you with that.
thefirstman
Dec 26 2003, 02:53 PM
| QUOTE |
| Ill get back to you with that. |
Thanks
wunarmdscissor
Dec 26 2003, 02:58 PM
this website has a decent image [URL=http:// www.robertbauval.com/articles/gizaorion.htmlide by side with pyramids ]Ancient Egyptians[/URL]
Ancient World Wonders
Dec 28 2003, 12:47 AM
| QUOTE (thefirstman @ Dec 26 2003, 09:30 AM) |
| QUOTE | | Nope. Dead wrong. They wanted to duplicate the stars. The pyramids at Giza exactly resemble that of what I think is Orien's belt. |
You seem pretty certain of your theory,have you any info(pics etc.)to back it up? |
I am. And in reply to you wunarmdscissor if you review any video or read any info on the alignment of the pyramids you will find that the pattern for which the Egyptian's placed the pyramids exactly match that of two other out of place stars in and around Orien's Belt. Each of these misplaced stars directly face opposite the other at 45 degree angles similar to a bow tie if an analogy had to be given.
And in regards to the Atlantis Factor taking a part in all of civilization... I believe that they did and they were destroyed because they became corrupt. They lead a huge army against the Greeks and lost. Then Atlantis was swallowed up by the Atlantic Ocean in a single breadth. But remains of the civilization can still be found everywhere.
wunarmdscissor
Dec 28 2003, 02:06 PM
Atlantis.
There are more than just the three pyramids in Giza. I do read up on my facts and it is a fact that most of the pyramids built in egypt have no obvious astrological meaning.
Ancient World Wonders
Dec 28 2003, 03:40 PM
| QUOTE (wunarmdscissor @ Dec 28 2003, 09:06 AM) |
Atlantis. There are more than just the three pyramids in Giza. I do read up on my facts and it is a fact that most of the pyramids built in egypt have no obvious astrological meaning. |
I know that bro., that's percisely what I'm talking about. Each pyramid has a meaning and relates to a star in the sky. The Pyramids at Giza are 3 + there are two more significant, sizable pyramids to the East and West of the plateau. Far away from the 3. Everything has a meaning to the Egyptians and nothing was placed randomly.
Pendekar Timur
Dec 28 2003, 04:20 PM
The topic's tittle...
| QUOTE |
| The great pyramids build by aliens? |
...well,everything is posibble,son..
6sides
Jan 5 2004, 03:38 AM
The Eygptians were African.
During recent visits to the British museum, I realised an unavoidable fact. Some of the huge statues on display have the same features as myself, hardly alien. This has driven me to pursue an understanding of the writings available, rather than taking on board the 'experts' point of view as gospel, which tends to be biased due to an inescapable controlling factor. Mentality.
Not entirely their fault I presume, but there is a distinct lack of enlightenment surrounding African achievement, which is far beyond the image portrayed in the media. Shockingly so.
Technological progress is indeed linear, interupted by self-destructive wars or natural disaster etc, hence the pyramids and the information placed therein.
Mutant Snake
Jan 6 2004, 12:04 AM
Didnt daniel jackson on stargate think the pyramids were built by aliens, he was laughed out of academia, but what everyone else didnt know was that he was right.hahahahaha.

itd be cool if he was right in reality.
magic charm
Jan 9 2004, 11:42 PM
well i have to agree with Atlantis Rises on this one, the pyramids were built to match certain star constellations. And also the slaves were very well looked after, given good meals and plenty of rest, and dont forget it might have taken that amount of people to build them as it did take many, many years to do.
Mutant Snake
Jan 10 2004, 03:56 PM
Yup, well said. I still think it'd be cool if Daniel Jackson was right tho.
Undead
Jan 10 2004, 07:56 PM
Maybe they were built by Aliens or just by Black folk. I think im leaning towards the latter.
joc
Jan 10 2004, 08:12 PM
The pyramids were
all built using the stars as a guide.
The ancients were
great at building but they lacked the primary tools we use today.
The surveyor
tools they used incorporated the stars into the equation.
That is how they were able to line everything up so nicely.
The stars were a
tool.
Mutant Snake
Jan 10 2004, 09:08 PM
I like that idea. technology has taken too much away from us.
KayEl
Jan 12 2004, 06:36 AM
Egyptians weren't only just "black folks". Remember, they were in the Mediterranean/ Middle East region.
secondhand
Jan 12 2004, 03:35 PM
| QUOTE (6sides @ Jan 5 2004, 02:38 AM) |
there is a distinct lack of enlightenment surrounding African achievement, which is far beyond the image portrayed in the media. Shockingly so.
|
This is so true. Basically the entrenched racism in early antiquarian investigations has sadly influenced the way in which many people perceive African prehistory. This is exemplified in the case of Great Zimbabe, where the person who discovered it marvelled at its complexity and scale, and immediately concluded that it must have been white people who were responsible for it.
http://archaeology.about.com/gi/dynamic/of...l/zimbabwe.htmlIMHO, we should never, ever assume that past peoples were stupid. The individual in any period in the past had a far greater knowledge and range of skills than people today. I would bet that without the comforts of modern life, 95% of the population would be stumped. I certainly couldn't fashion a toolkit from flint, nor could I organise a hunt.
I think it was Brian Pfaffenberger who wrote extensively about technological processes, and how as technology levels rise, actual knowledge declines.
As far as the Egyptians were concerned, it tarnishes the enterprising and engineering spirit of the human race to suggest that anyone other humans were responsible for them IMHO.
zorcon
Jan 12 2004, 03:45 PM

Maybe the aliens built these pyramids and made the point to align them with Orions belt as to show us that is where they are from.
s*t*a*r*m*a*n
Jan 20 2004, 01:00 AM
At NO POINT do the Ancient Egyptians mention in there hieroglyphic writings IF THEY or HOW THEY built the Pyramids. The alignment was perfect when they were built as you have to take into consideration the variation in the alignment of the stars has changed since of course. It s not uncommon for ancient cultures to emulate the heavens in there earthworks by positioning structures in exact alignment with various stars etc.
some possible alignment theories
http://www.100megsfree4.com/farshores/apyram2.htmhttp://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/F...urg/Oriond3.htmyou could go on and on and on with these theories as there are so many mathematical possibilities i feel. One interesting point i would like to make as regards the Pyramids being built by Extra terrestrials. Recent pictures of the possible pyramids on Mars would seem to show on one of the structures a glissening reflective surface very shinny and would seem to indicate people believe that the pyramid? if that is what it is has some form of metal over it which would not occur in nature, after taking into consideration the suns rays etc they are arguing that this is another Nasa coverup.
My point though is that the Great Pyramid purportedly when it was first built had a cap stone i believe of gold on the top which is now no longer there. So its an interesting coincidence dont you think.
some possible evidence for the ET connection, i know the ET in the egyptian hieroglyphic writings could be a simple object as has been discussed in this forum previously but what if it is not?
http://seekufos.com/egypt.htmPossible arguments against the Egyptian Extraterrestrial Hypothesis:
http://www.ufocity.com/modules/news/articl...hp?storyid=3665
geeohn
Jan 31 2004, 03:40 AM
There are pyramids in South America too for example Mexico.
crosswarrior
Feb 2 2004, 05:23 AM
Maybe the Phyramids were just built with the sweat and blood of thousands of workers; along with since forgotten about technology.
AK47
Feb 2 2004, 11:19 AM
| QUOTE (s*t*a*r*m*a*n @ Jan 20 2004, 12:00 AM) |
some possible evidence for the ET connection, i know the ET in the egyptian hieroglyphic writings could be a simple object as has been discussed in this forum previously but what if it is not? http://seekufos.com/egypt.htm
|
On that site they have egyptian painting on a submarine, plane, helicopter, and hovercraft.
shrapnel
Feb 2 2004, 12:54 PM
I do not know exactly how they were built but some logical analysis leads me to doubt they had 100,000 people to build them. Agriculture had been an established practice for some time but the amount of food it would take to feed 100,000 people performing hard labor would be a whole lot. If they had 100,000 in labors they would have to have thousands more to perform other tasks necessary for the collective. That would be an extraordinary burden to feed all of the people given the limited agricultural production, slow means of transportation, and lack of preservatives.
Pharoahe
Feb 23 2004, 05:46 AM
Therefore it was built by aliens.
Joe013
Feb 23 2004, 09:59 PM
Maybe. I wish we could have some solid hard proof. But all the good stuff seems to keep getting proven as hoaxes! Why are people so greedy that they have to play on peoples hopes and wishes just for fame and fortune? I mean I would never do that, as I would feel less about myself for saying I saw it. I want to really see it. Oh yeah, and the aliens built it. Sorry for getting off-track!
I'll tape a video one day, and prove all those skeptics wrong!
PsychicPenguin
Feb 23 2004, 10:11 PM
Before you do that, make sure that you destroy every single copy of Photoshop on earth.
Kellalor
Feb 23 2004, 10:13 PM
| QUOTE (Pharoahe @ Dec 25 2003, 03:08 PM) |
8.) Slaves have been said to built the pyramid for the pharoah who ordereed it, the pharoah died in the middle of construction so why would these slaves continue to work for years straight when they didn't believe in the same things as the Egyptians. The slaves were from Africa |
Most evidence shows they were not slaves at all, just workers.
Aslan
Feb 23 2004, 10:24 PM
| QUOTE |
| Therefore it was built by aliens. |
That's a gnat rash, isn't it? The logistics are daunting ergo they were built by aliens?
The logistics involved in building the channel tunnel were daunting but nobody is suggesting that was built by aliens. What about the Great Wall of China? That must of taken a fair bit of organisation. Beyond the scope of us poor, feckless mammalian bipeds, do you think?
I find it typical of the 'aliens-built-everything-further-back-than-about-1950' mob that they (I mean you, Pharoahe) take the undemonstrative suggestion of somebody else (no offense, Shrapnel), and take this as evidence of extraterrestrial handiwork in the affairs of humans.
I think it's ludicrous to begin with a proposition such 'as aliens built various ancient monuments', and proceed from there. I don't fully comprehend this subsumed notion that the further back in time you go, the thicker people are.
Fluffybunny
Feb 23 2004, 10:49 PM
Aslan, why don't you tell us how you
really feel. Holding back like this isn't good for your health...
I get frustrated with folks that make the assumption that because the Pyramids were difficult that humans simply aren't capable of building them. If one looks at the earliest pyramids, it is obvious that we weren't always as good at construction as we were on the last pyramids. The earliest pyramids were much smaller and didn't have the same level of construction as the Great pyramid.
Those(humans) that were building the pyramids learned how to do it on a smaller scale, and just got to be very good after generations of construction.
It is a tremendous accomplishment to create the pyramids and I think we should give credit where credit is due...to the humans who did all of the work.
Fluffybunny
Feb 23 2004, 10:52 PM
| QUOTE (Pharoahe @ Dec 25 2003, 01:08 PM) |
10.) We aren't even able to replicate this pyramid today
|
If we chose to build a pyramid I can assure you that we could do a bangup job
There hasn't been much call for a pyramid these days, so we don't bother...
Aslan
Feb 23 2004, 11:02 PM
And we could make it glow. We could put a huge illuminescent sign on the side saying Coca-Cola. We could make it make it emit smoke and play Jazz Fusion Rock whenever anybody touched it. We could, given enough time, make it out of glass and fill it with water and Tiger Sharks.
At some point in the future I have no doubt that we'll be able to make it go out and buy the Sunday papers.
On a Wednesday.
And nobody, except possibly some ill-informed character from the year 2525 will go lurching round the place waving their arms in the air and bellowing It can only have been the Greys/Pinks/Nordics/Lizard people/Intelligent Fungus from the Planet Susan56.
*pant.gasp.wheeze*
Talon
Feb 24 2004, 12:09 AM
The pyramids were built by humans, percifically slave labour
I'm not even going to waste my time looking at what evidence people have for the aliens
UFOKid
Feb 24 2004, 12:19 AM
I agree with Talon. It's obvious the pyramids were built by humans.
Kellalor
Feb 24 2004, 01:31 AM
The pyramids were built by humans, but I also think they are much older than most believe.
tigger
Feb 24 2004, 08:24 AM
| QUOTE (Atlantis Rises @ Dec 25 2003, 10:46 PM) |
| QUOTE (Pharoahe @ Dec 25 2003, 08:08 PM) | 1.) The smallest stones used in the process were 4,000 pounds
4.) Each of the sides are aligned almost exactly with true North, West, South, and East. |
#1 is wrong. The smallest stones used in the pyramids were filler stones behind the WHITE STONE SLABS that once covered the pyramids to make them glisten like glass. #4 is also incorrect. 2500 years ago, the position of the stars were slightly different than today, so the four distances on the compass were PRECISELY correct when each pyramid was built long ago. |
i'd have to say about the pyramids made to shimmer like glass is wrong also, the pyramids where 'painted' white, so that they stood out more
(i'm quite sure they didn't have the technology to make glass or even know what it looked like)
Pharoahe
Feb 26 2004, 03:32 PM
Well I've done more research and I've read some things that have said there is a race of aliens living in the middle star of Orion's belt, the constellation which is was created after. Also if it took 100,000 people and there actually were these people it would be impossible to feed them all. They would eventually have poor health and they would die quickly. Lifespan in those days was about 30 years old also if you were lucky.
Fluffybunny
Feb 26 2004, 03:46 PM
| QUOTE (Pharoahe @ Feb 26 2004, 07:32 AM) |
| Well I've done more research and I've read some things that have said there is a race of aliens living in the middle star of Orion's belt, the constellation which is was created after. |
Would you care to share this groundbreaking research with us? I know I would love to finally find some proof of life elsewhere. I would be willing to contact SETI and tell them where they needed to point their insturments to get instant results. Please let us all know about your findings
| QUOTE |
| Also if it took 100,000 people and there actually were these people it would be impossible to feed them all. They would eventually have poor health and they would die quickly. Lifespan in those days was about 30 years old also if you were lucky. |
No it wouldn't be impossible to feed them all. Egyptians were one of the first societies to get agriculture down to the point where they actually had free time outside of the search for food. That is why they were so advanced compared to others of the time. Once you don't need to worry about where the next meal is coming from, you can work on other things; science, astronomy, construction.
Also, the lifespans were much shorter than they are today, you have to consider how the average lifespan is calculated. The number of deaths at birth(Which was much higher then) lowers the number substantially. It wasn't like everyone lived to 30 and dropped instantly. Many went on to live into their 50's and 60's like they do today.
We keep bashing this over and over again. I am not going to keep reposting the same information for those that don't care enough to go back and read earlier threads(and do a bit of research at credible sites), but very simply put:
Humans are the only ones responsible for building the pyramids.
It may be fun to think that aliens helped, but it simply isn't true. There isn't a spec of evidence that the pyramids couldn't have been constructed by very talented human beings...
Pharoahe
Feb 26 2004, 09:41 PM
Hmm someday you will realize that they did...did you know Nasa has pictures of pyramids on Mars?...did you also know about markings inside the pyramid itself with ET beings in them? Read a few books about it in more detail, you can't give me that response cause everything you said is not true...this was almost 5,000 years ago. They had no tools...we don't have the technology to recreate this today!
We have cranes and all sorts of things to use and we still cannot do it. Also if you read some more about the pyramid there is said to be a portal to the 4th dimension. Take a visit to the pyramid itself and you will learn. They closed off the stairs that lead to the room because so many people have died. It is said to be a portal to the 4th dimension...don't go by things you read online, the internet isn't a reliable source. Go read some books about it like I have and come back and tell me you feel the same way as you seem to feel now.
Aslan
Feb 26 2004, 09:46 PM
Care to give us some links on these books Pharoahe? They certainly sound like compulsive reading.
And may I say that your argument can only be strengthened by throwing in portals to the 4th dimension and pyramids on Mars.
Talon
Feb 26 2004, 09:53 PM
| QUOTE |
| Hmm someday you will realize that they did...did you know Nasa has pictures of pyramids on Mars?...did you also know about markings inside the pyramid itself with ET beings in them? Read a few books about it in more detail, you can't give me that response cause everything you said is not true...this was almost 5,000 years ago. They had no tools...we don't have the technology to recreate this today! |
I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Aslan, can only take your word if you have evidence
However, if you have any I'd also assume the media had some andif they thought it was real we'd already heard of it
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