For those unfamiliar with the Pangboche Hand and "Scalp" -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangboche_Hand

So what do you think? Was it a yeti, a well-thought out hoax, or something else entirely?

Wasn't that thing stolen from a monastery in Nepal or somewhere?

^What? You wanna say it's not kosher or something?

I'm just saying it was stolen, I won't say it's, like, goatskin, or anything.

...So your saying 'Ol Footy wore a "piece", blasphemy.

I read somewhere the scalp was a goat's and the hand was a monkey's.

Actually the story I heard was that the piece from the original hand couldn't be ID-ed when it was brought back (from a primate of unknown origin). But by the time the monks (knowingly) let scientist test the hand, it had already been switched with a non-yeti hand.

But while we're on the topic of the yeti, what do you guys think about it? Is it related to the American Sasquatch? Are they the same species? Different species? Subspecies? Did they divide into subspecies after their connection was cut off?

Yup.




Well, it's a little complicated. When it was first discovered in the monastery, the monks in question refused to allow it to be examined which lead to a member of the expedition secretly stealing fragments of the hand and replacing them with human bones. Hence, during the 1960 World Book expedition, since they were not aware of the human fragments that had been added, it was immediately determined that the hand must be a hoax.

Years later, after this was realized, the hand was analyzed again. This time, the conclusion was made that the tissue was "near human," similar to human but not human. The hand was stolen shortly afterward.

Now, just for the record--I don't necessarily believe in Yetis, however they are one of the few creatures of this type that I don't entirely rule out (There's just no way I could ever buy the stories behind Bigfoot, El Chupacabra, Mothman and so on). To me, it seems more credible to believe in an animal like a Yeti stalking around the Himalayas than it is to believe that a pleisosaur has miraculously spent millions of years surviving in the Loch Ness.

Regardless of any of that, however, the mystery surrounding the Pangboche Hand is interesting in and of itself; maybe it was a yeti, maybe it was an elaborate hoax, maybe it was an ancient human descendant but if not, then what was it?

The hand itself looks very human-like... and the scalp itself, I don't really know what to make of it myself, since it's shaped a little weirdly, but there's one thing I do want to know, apparently they stole the hand and scalp... I wanna know how the monks feel about it. [Although they're probably annoyed]

This thread title is The Pangboche Hand, ...and Yetis in general.

So this contribution will be about "Yetis in general..."

Does anyone remember a show in the early 90's called "The Paranormal Borderline"? Each week it centered on all manner of paranormal events. Anyway, Paranormal Borderline was a great show, and I taped it every week.

My favorite Paranormal Borderline episode aired a VHS film of a Yeti. The tape of the Yeti mysteriously turned up, and as I remember it, the details of where the tape came from were sketchy. They said they had no idea who the couple on the tape was, or where they were when they made the film. Anyway, the film began with a young German couple hiking somewhere in snow-covered mountains. The terrain looked very rough, and the couple could have been on K-2, from the appearance of the mountains in the film. The German guy was taping, and they were both chattering to each other in German. The film started out with the guy filming them breaking camp, showing the girl packing up their tents, gear, etc., while he filmed. Then the film cut to the back of the girl as the guy filmed her hiking in front of him up a very rough snow-covered mountain. The couple chattered back and forth to each other as they hiked. Suddenly something caught the guy's eye, and he said something in German, probably "what the hell is that??" and he panned the camera to the left, and zoomed in on a very large brown hairy ape creature that was very far from them, in the distance, on the side of a mountain, rolling around in the snow, like it was playing around, the way a monkey sometimes rolls around on its back and plays with its toes. That's what it was doing. The couple suddenly sounded shocked and alarmed, chattering to each other in whisptered tones, as they watched and filmed the creature. The camera then stayed on the Yeti creature, while the German couple continued whispering to each other, obviously wondering what in the world they were seeing. The Yeti was so far away, it was unaware it was being filmed. After a few minutes of rolling around on its back, playing with its toes, etc., the creature suddenly stood up, turned around, and started climbing up the snowy mountainside. It was hard to estimate its size, but it was huge. The Yeti climbed almost straight up the mountainside, effortlessly, climbing up, up, up... taking long strides, and reaching forward with its arms to touch the snow as it climbed... then it reached the top of the mountain, climbed over the top, and disappeared out of sight.

The German couple chattered to each other, sounding shocked and alarmed, while the camera aimed at nothing in particular... then the camera jostled a few times, and the film ended.

I have that episode of Paranormal Borderline on tape, and let me tell you, it is absolutely convincing, due to the large size of the Yeti, and the distance from the couple where it was, its behavior, and most importantly, the way it climbed up that mountain.

Did anyone here by any chance see that episode of Paranormal Borderline?

why many of cryptid item must be stolen ?



alien

You tube it!!

I've seen the video of the couple and the Yeti that you are talking about and it is very convincing to me too.

I'm pretty convinced the scalp was goat fur, but the hand was very interesting. It looks a little small for such a creature as a Yeti, or am I looking at it wrong?

I did not find the german yeti video on Google video, sorry.

This German Yeti video is sounding really interesting...I've been looking for it on Youtube, Google Video, etc. but have yet to find it, does anyone have a link or anything?

Isn't the scalp still there?
Strange that it has not been tested.
Considering the background, and attached legend, this seems one of the few likely pieces of evidence to investigate.
Why do these apparent good leads seem to generate 0% interest? Does the scientific community consider it a long shot? What about BFRO? Not interested? It seems worth the effort? I have not heard the skull was made frm goatskin - anyone with a link to verify this?

One member in here has an Avatar of a strange elongated skull. I have not seen the pic for ages, nor remember the members nick. I have only found more information on creationists websites that say you can buy them from any local in Mexico, hard to believe, can anyone verify this? Not the starchild, but that skull is interesting too, even if just encephaly. Can anyone help on this one? The said skull seems somewhat elongated as well.

According to this little site, there were once two monasteries with scalps.

http://www8.pair.com/ksoft/khertz/photos/o...al/3315_IMG.htm



Cryptomundo - Yeti
I know a lot of people don't like Cryptomundo but facts are facts.

Not sure about the scalp, looks to be a weird shape and the hand does look a bit small to be from a Yeti, unless it was a young yeti or something.

That German yeti vid does sound very interesting, haven't been able to find it anywhere though. If anyone's got it on tape is there anyway they could get it onto their somputor and then onto the net?

^Not sure which thing I find to be more amusing, the fact that there's a lock on that "box"(like it's gonna escape or someone is gonna make a quick buck by hocking the head), or that it's sitting just above the "Donation Box", LMAO..."Sorry, I don't have any spare change or old clothing to donate...but I DO have this old head....."

Beware the cursed hand.

I remember seeing that tape, except it wasn't on Paranormal Boarders; it was on a show either on the National Geographic channel, one of the History channels, or the Discovery Channel. If it helps anyone, I think it was filmed in the early 90's. But I hadn't heard that the creature in question was playing; the only part of the tape that was shown had the creature walking briskly up the side of the mountain.

Is this it?

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Not sure on this...but I think it's been determined by some analyst or another that it's more likely to be a shoulder than an actual scalp, despite the name.

Wow, thank you very much!! There is so much to wade through on the net, and I never even thought of Lorens site I don't hate that site, this one just has a far better discussion forum. Are you a member? If you ever have the opportunity to converse with Loren, could you ask him what happened to the 2007 January Marcy Milt Cameroon expedition? I can't find out why it never went ahead.

That kinda sorts the skull out doesn't it. No wonder the scientific community didn't all rush a plane to get there LOL. Gosh, why not just say it was a Nemorhaedus ? ROFL.
Thanks again. Facts are indeed facts. I could not agree more

That's the One!!! Another great big thank you. I can only find information on this on ceationists sites, Diechecker was magnificent with the Yeti scalp, hopefully again, or another member knows about this one. It sure is a strange shape, does anyone know it's name, nickname, authenticity, or anything at all? Any refrences? I am not even sure what to search other than strange skull, or the like, and that really brings up some results on the Starchild skull, but this one intruiges me more.

Coneheads?

I know many cultures shaped the skull, but this appears more than manipulation doesn't it.

The video is apparently faked and was made for the Fox show world's greatest hoaxes.

Link

There is a information card next to the skull in the pic, but the words are so blurred it is nearly impossible to make anything out. The last word looks like County to me. Maybe try searching using the numbers written on the skull. Maybe a pic in some university collection will turn up.

I found a similar image. It has the same numbers on it. But, it is on a Christian site, I believe. It does give the name of the author and book it was in, however.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/monster.htm


Did I find it?

I disagree that the film is apprently faked. The film, as shown on YouTube, is blurry and seemingly out of focus for some reason. Also, the YouTube film doesn't show the part where the camera zooms toward the Yeti, then back, indicating the great distance, and how far away the Yeti really is. I know for a fact this film wasn't "made" for World's Greatest Hoaxes, which first aired on December 28, 1998, because I taped it on VHS back in 1993, LOL. Also, I have the entire tape, from beginning to the end. My tape isn't blurry, nor is it out of focus, the way it's shown on the YouTube film. Believe me, to watch it in its entirety, the film is very convincing. It helps to see the beginning of the tape, when the foreign couple is filming their hike in the mountains. It is very convincing when the couple is suddenly startled to see the Yeti on a distant mountain. It is at that point that the camera zooms so far toward the Yeti, then zooms back, showing the great distance. The most convincing part of the film is watching the Yeti climb up that mountainside, with absolutely no effort whatsoever. Right at the point where the YouTube film ends, that's when the mountain takes an almost straight up and down angle, and the Yeti begins its upward climb.

The YouTube seems to almost be intentionally making the film look faked. I don't know... but I can't imagine someone faking a video of a yeti, and having the brilliant idea, I mean being so ingenious and clever, as to have the Yeti roll around playfully on its back in the snow, the way an ape (or a real Yeti) might do. Also, if you pause the YouTube film right before it ends, and look at the size and shape of the Yeti, you can see the long, powerful arms, and the width of its body.

I'm sold. But you see, I have the entire tape... There's no doubt in my mind that the animal in that film is no man. Unless the man pretending to be a Yeti is built like a gorilla and strong enough to effortlessly climb up the side of a mountain......

I agree this looks really bad. Like someone taped it off a TV screen. The one I remember was a lot clearer.

Even with the bad quality you can see the long arms on the creature.

Good job youcan'tseeme on finding it.

I agree completely, the yeti in the youtube film is way to big to be a guy in a suit. Only question is, why would someone intentionlly make it blurry so as to appear fake? only reason i can think of is they had to decrease the quality to get a small enough file to upload.

I have to wonder why the YouTube film is only 37 seconds in length, when the entire VHS film is only 2-1/2 minutes long. And why did they cut out the sound?

Yes, the Yeti is way too big to be a guy in a suit. Just pause the film toward the end, and look at the shape of its body. It looks eerily similar to the Bigfoot in the patterson film of 1966.

The Youtube video, while interesting, isn't entirely convincing; after all the arguments saying it was, I've gotta admit my first reaction was "Whaaa?"

However, since apparently that's only a low-quality, overly cut version of the video, I'm still curious as hell to see the real, clearer one. So, again, if anyone can find that online...

That you did Thanks muchly

It's bizzare isn't it?? I cannot seem to find any information excepting Creatonist websites. They do not seem to have a name or designation, just wierd skulls fond in Peru. This will give me more search material, thanks I'd say the site is very sensationalist, they claim the Cheddar demon is not from the Cheddar gorge, but I am pretty sure even our own RKD has layed his very own eyes on it.

I had not seen that link, are these primate even I wonder? Just right out there if genuine. A collection of other fossils? Maybe goats too?
All these wierd skulls around. Must have been some freaky looking people around the planet over the ages. I think this one takes the cake though.

I believe that there's some rumors that Akhenaton, the Egyptian pharaoh, was born with a head that shape. It would explain his bizarre way of representing himself in pictures, at least. Though seeing as they've never actually found Akhenaton's body or even tomb (assuming there even was a tomb), it's unlikely that we'll ever find out.

As far as weird skulls, I also remember seeing pictures of this skull that had demon-like horns right on the forehead.

Wow, I had not seen that one wth horns. I'll have to keep an eye out.
I have heard of the Egytian connection, kinda seems to tie in with the artwork vaugely. I'd love to know more on these.

Is this the skull with horns? i found it in the image gallery.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/galle...ge.php?pos=-771

I've never heard of the egyption connection before, is there anymore to it or just that this pharaoh had an abnormal shaped head?

Link isn't working...is there any alternate routes to the image?

As far as ancient Egypt, it's unclear but the ideas stem from the artwork that's been found of Akhenaton, which presents him with a long, pointed skull and the body of a pregnant woman, which is in sharp contrast to the presentation that the other pharaohs before him had--they were all represented in an idealistic fashion. Now keep in mind, it's very possible that Akhenaton simply wanted to be represented in a different way than pharaoh's before him seeing as he broke the mold in many ways, the most important of which was casting aside the old religion for his own Atenism.

However, one has to wonder, because Akhenaton's son was the famous Tutankhamen, who actually has been proven to have had a very bizarrely shaped skull...




Though overall, I think this skull topic is one that's probably deserving of it's own thread.