Oxymoron
Aug 20 2007, 07:15 PM
My question is this: True believers will believe God no matter what. What if God comes down and said he does not exist. If you are true believers then you must believe him but that would make you non believers.
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Aug 20 2007, 07:19 PM
QUOTE(Oxymoron @ Aug 20 2007, 03:15 PM)

My question is this: True believers will believe God no matter what. What if God comes down and said he does not exist. If you are true believers then you must believe him but that would make you non believers.
Impossible scenario. Not hardly worth a reply except to say that it's an "impossible scenario".
Oxymoron
Aug 20 2007, 07:20 PM
QUOTE(WalkingWithFire @ Aug 20 2007, 07:19 PM)

Impossible scenario. Not hardly worth a reply except to say that it's an "impossible scenario".
I thought god was omnipetant and can do anything.
questionmark
Aug 20 2007, 07:26 PM
QUOTE(Oxymoron @ Aug 20 2007, 10:20 PM)

I thought god was omnipetant and can do anything.
He would be telling a big lie.
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Aug 20 2007, 07:29 PM
QUOTE(Oxymoron @ Aug 20 2007, 03:20 PM)

I thought god was omnipetant and can do anything.
Just because God can do anything doesn't mean God will do anything.
Lotus Flower
Aug 20 2007, 07:29 PM
QUOTE(Oxymoron @ Aug 20 2007, 08:15 PM)

My question is this: True believers will believe God no matter what. What if God comes down and said he does not exist. If you are true believers then you must believe him but that would make you non believers.
If he didn't exist he wouldn't be able to "come down" and say so and if he "came down" and did say he didn't exist no-one would believe Him because it would be God that was saying it and so that would show he did exist
Oxymoron
Aug 20 2007, 07:31 PM
QUOTE(Lotus Flower @ Aug 20 2007, 07:29 PM)

If he didn't exist he wouldn't be able to "come down" and say so and if he "came down" and did say he didn't exist no-one would believe Him because it would be God that was saying it and so that would show he did exist

But if you then proceed to believe that god exist you wouldnt be listening to gods law and go to hell.
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Aug 20 2007, 07:32 PM
QUOTE(Oxymoron @ Aug 20 2007, 03:31 PM)

But if you then proceed to believe that god exist you wouldnt be listening to gods law and go to hell.
How is that God's law?
Oxymoron
Aug 20 2007, 07:35 PM
QUOTE(WalkingWithFire @ Aug 20 2007, 07:32 PM)

How is that God's law?
Gods words are law am I wrong. So if he came down and said that he does not exist that would mean he doesnt and any one who believed he does would not be following Gods law.
Lotus Flower
Aug 20 2007, 07:37 PM
QUOTE(Oxymoron @ Aug 20 2007, 08:35 PM)

Gods words are law am I wrong. So if he came down and said that he does not exist that would mean he doesnt and any one who believed he does would not be following Gods law.
If God showed himself, it wouldn't matter what was said as He would be seen and so that would be proof He existed.
You are trying to create a scenerio here that is wacky and would be impossible to happen.
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Aug 20 2007, 07:45 PM
QUOTE(Oxymoron @ Aug 20 2007, 03:35 PM)

Gods words are law am I wrong. So if he came down and said that he does not exist that would mean he doesnt and any one who believed he does would not be following Gods law.
Everything God speaks is not spoken as a law and God would never do such a thing.
Oxymoron
Aug 20 2007, 07:48 PM
QUOTE(WalkingWithFire @ Aug 20 2007, 07:45 PM)

Everything God speaks is not spoken as a law and God would never do such a thing.
Are you the Messiah that you can speak to Gods intentions?
darkmoonlady
Aug 20 2007, 07:52 PM
With a name like Oxymoron I'm shocked that you didn't realize you answered your own question! If god revealed himself, he exists, he may say he doesn't but in revealing himself that would prove he did in fact exist, therefore your question in and of itself is an oxymoronic question... would you like some jumbo shrimp with that?
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Aug 20 2007, 07:54 PM
QUOTE(Oxymoron @ Aug 20 2007, 03:48 PM)

Are you the Messiah that you can speak to Gods intentions?
You don't make any sense. Sounds like you're just trolling with this topic.
Chokmah
Aug 20 2007, 07:54 PM
Uh... the question would make no sense. If god came down it'd verify his existence. However, if a being came down and said god does not exist - it's be a different scenerio.
God coming down would verify his existance but also prove the doubt that he has of himself.
Although, something has to exist for it to deny itself. And god is only a thought of mans ego.
questionmark
Aug 20 2007, 07:56 PM
Now lets sharpen this scenario, HE does not come down but up....
Oxymoron
Aug 20 2007, 07:56 PM
QUOTE(Chokmah @ Aug 20 2007, 07:54 PM)

Uh... the question would make no sense. If god came down it'd verify his existence. However, if a being came down and said god does not exist - it's be a different scenerio.
God coming down would verify his existance but also prove the doubt that he has of himself.
Although, something has to exist for it to deny itself. And god is only a thought of mans ego.
My point is to show that you cannot follow God unquestionably.
Primeval
Aug 20 2007, 07:57 PM
QUOTE(Oxymoron @ Aug 20 2007, 12:20 PM)

I thought god was omnipetant and can do anything.
Ya but one of the things he's not is r******ed!
questionmark
Aug 20 2007, 07:57 PM
QUOTE(Oxymoron @ Aug 20 2007, 10:56 PM)

My point is to show that you cannot follow God unquestionably.
Nice Rabbinical question... had lots of fun with it.
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Aug 20 2007, 07:58 PM
QUOTE(Oxymoron @ Aug 20 2007, 03:56 PM)

My point is to show that you cannot follow God unquestionably.
Sure you can. You're just making up unrealistic scenarios in an attempt to troll.
Oxymoron
Aug 20 2007, 08:05 PM
QUOTE(WalkingWithFire @ Aug 20 2007, 07:58 PM)

Sure you can. You're just making up unrealistic scenarios in an attempt to troll.
Actually it was a philosophical question , but your dogmatic belief makes you look at anything that would undermine that as an attack even if it makes sence.
Oh and the Red sea parting was very realistic...ughmmm
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Aug 20 2007, 08:07 PM
QUOTE(Oxymoron @ Aug 20 2007, 04:05 PM)

Actually it was a philosophical question , but your dogmatic belief makes you look at anything that would undermine that as an attack even if it makes sence.
Oh and the Red sea parting was very realistic...ughmmm

Makes sense? That question made no sense.
The Red Sea parting is not unrealistic. If God wills something to happen it will happen. However, God is completely consistent with who He is and His actions.
Kane S. Latrans
Aug 20 2007, 08:20 PM
QUOTE(WalkingWithFire @ Aug 20 2007, 04:07 PM)

Makes sense? That question made no sense.
The Red Sea parting is not unrealistic. If God wills something to happen it will happen. However, God is completely consistent with who He is and His actions.
So if "he" willed to appear and say he did not exsist...
EmpressV
Aug 20 2007, 08:26 PM
This question is an oximoron. As stated by others, if a being came down as you say, it would exist because it was there in front of you and you could see and hear it. So in other words if you don't see it then it probably doesn't exist in the physical sense. As I always say, gods only exist in the minds of those that believe in them.
I do have to agree that this is a question only a troll would ask. no offence
Agent. Mulder
Aug 20 2007, 08:27 PM
QUOTE(WalkingWithFire @ Aug 20 2007, 08:07 PM)

Makes sense? That question made no sense.
The Red Sea parting is not unrealistic. If God wills something to happen it will happen. However, God is completely consistent with who He is and His actions.
well then hes a huge jerk. if he can make w/e he wants happen. why not stop world hunger? cure cancer? and save thousands of lives all over the world. instead of sitting around on a cloud watching as people die every day. even when the little kids are praying too him, he does nothing.
The Silver Thong
Aug 20 2007, 08:33 PM
QUOTE(WalkingWithFire @ Aug 20 2007, 02:07 PM)

Makes sense? That question made no sense.
The Red Sea parting is not unrealistic. If God wills something to happen it will happen. However, God is completely consistent with who He is and His actions.
The parting of the red sea is just as believable as Noha building an ark that held 2 of every animal or that Jonah was swallowed by the whale or that Jessus rose from the dead. These are just stories created by man. Religion was created by man from the very beginning for one pupose and one purpose only, To control people, plain and simple.
Kane S. Latrans
Aug 20 2007, 08:34 PM
QUOTE(Agent. Mulder @ Aug 20 2007, 04:27 PM)

well then hes a huge jerk. if he can make w/e he wants happen. why not stop world hunger? cure cancer? and save thousands of lives all over the world. instead of sitting around on a cloud watching as people die every day. even when the little kids are praying too him, he does nothing.
Have'nt you heard it a test of "faith" believe in me but dont expect any major help, except those pictures of Jesus and Mary on that muffin...
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Aug 20 2007, 08:37 PM
QUOTE(Agent. Mulder @ Aug 20 2007, 04:27 PM)

well then hes a huge jerk. if he can make w/e he wants happen. why not stop world hunger? cure cancer? and save thousands of lives all over the world. instead of sitting around on a cloud watching as people die every day. even when the little kids are praying too him, he does nothing.
Do you help stop world hunger? What have you done to cure cancer? What do you do to save people from dying? What have you done to help mankind?
Do you realize that if people were more selfless we would have less of these problems in the world?
BazookaTooth
Aug 20 2007, 10:11 PM
I give this thread -99999999 out of 10.
Oxymoron
Aug 20 2007, 10:20 PM
QUOTE(BazookaTooth @ Aug 20 2007, 10:11 PM)

I give this thread -99999999 out of 10.
Ohhhhhhhhh Id like to thank my mother and father with out...... Oh you meant negative ohhh arent you clever hehehe man o man.
Ghost It Notes
Aug 20 2007, 10:30 PM
QUOTE(Lotus Flower @ Aug 20 2007, 12:29 PM)

If he didn't exist he wouldn't be able to "come down" and say so and if he "came down" and did say he didn't exist no-one would believe Him because it would be God that was saying it and so that would show he did exist

PRECISELY. Thank you.
raoulduke666
Aug 20 2007, 10:43 PM
dont really understand why god would do that..does not make any sence
Oxymoron
Aug 20 2007, 10:45 PM
QUOTE(raoulduke666 @ Aug 20 2007, 10:43 PM)

dont really understand why god would do that..does not make any sence

I give up most people just dont haveabstract thought abilities.
MissMelsWell
Aug 21 2007, 08:29 AM
Does anyone have an asprin?
Saru
Aug 21 2007, 08:46 AM
I can't see much point in keeping this going given the nature of the original question which is in itself a contradiction.
I think this has been answered as satisfactorily as is possible.
Closed.
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