Just an article i found interesting ,more junk to the pile or the grain of truth......you decide


http://paranormalnews.com/article.asp?ArticleID=1185

From: Elaine Bickle
Date: 7/12/2007 7:48:05 AM
To: Doug Yurchey
Subject: Re: ALIEN SHIP ON MOON!




Has anyone seen this ?

Interesting, thanks for posting. I will have delve into it more tomorow. It is kind of late.

huh...very interesting, where did you find this!!!!! i knew all along our government was lying, i'll look at the link later when i have better time. ty!!!!

VERY nice find.. But.. Why would they lie? o_o

Wow..... You came to that conclusion quickly.

Oh my god. So just like that you swallow whatever rubbish is thrown in your face - no research, no questioning, nothing.

If you did do even the slightest bit of research you'd know that there WAS NO SUCH MISSION AS APOLLO 20.

John Lear has made similiar claims about the moon...if your interested a quick google of him should shed more light on his theories. He goes alot further then most with his claims about the moon.

Well i havent read all the article but from what i can gather i think they're suggesting that the Apollo missions were carried on secretly.

Oh, of course. If all else fails, bring out the "its a cover-up/conspiracy" line. Because we can't argue with that can we? Pathetic.

FIRST OFF- if you even read what i said, i just said i know that the government is lying to us. if you weren't so quick to agure you would of read that
SECOND- I said later when i wasn't so busy, I would look at the link. The only thing i read was what he quoted, and the was interesting.
next time read what i damn write before shouting your mouth off
ty and have a nice day .

You could be right Emma ...I'm not saying it ,just that i think it's what they're suggesting. The article should stand or fall on it's merits , i make no claims as to the authenticity of the information they're provididng.
I'd like to see that documentary she mentions though " The ultimate UFO"....anyone seen it ?

Interesting. makes me wish i had a really powerful telescope so i could check for myself.

Well the only thing i'd say about this is that loads of amateur astronomers have got really good telescopes so surely someone somewhere should be able to see these things she claims can be seen with them ?.....

yes, you would think that wouldn't you.

I use a 10" dobsonian, i've never seen anything out the ordinary.

I've got a Bushnell Voyager 400 but i still cant use it peoperly

Hmmm...the moon....who's going to believe it?
I read 8 years ago someone said the moon is a spaceship.
It's probably me who said it but forgot what username i use. lol.

have you ever looked at the places it mentions in the article?

What are you struggling with?

The film is called "Out There - The Ultimate UFO Collection"

Was that to me or are you having a conversation with yourself? lol :confused:

please explain. lol. the telescope question is to you. not sure what i'm doing with the quote thingy.

How do you keep a 363ft tall bright white rocket, that produces is it 6 or 7 sonic boom's before it leaves the atmosphere, and leaves a trail of fire and smoke miles long, a secret?

To quote Bricktop, its hardly incon-F***ing-spicuous is it!

lol No worries, i've looked more or less all over at one point or another. Should be said though, my scope is a deep space scope and therefore better for distant galaxies etc.., not ideal for looking at the moon, good enough for me but not perfect.

I think ppl are trying to say that they say they go to space to orbit the planet or to do something else but then they secret go to the moon. I personaly believe its quite unlikely this happened but who know.

Prove it

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Apollo 18 through 20 - The Cancelled Missions

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There were originally 3 more Apollo missions scheduled to fly to the Moon in the initial Apollo plan, all were cancelled due to budgetary constraints. Apollo 20 was cancelled in January 1970. The flights planned for Apollo 15 and Apollo 19 were cancelled in September, 1970, the remaining missions were then renumbered 15 through 17.
The original recommendations for the missions were:

H-2 (Apollo 13) Fra Mauro
H-3 (Apollo 14) Littrow
H-4 (Apollo 15) Censorinus
J-1 (Apollo 16) Descartes
J-2 (Apollo 17) Marius Hills
J-3 (Apollo 18) Copernicus
J-4 (Apollo 19) Hadley
J-5 (Apollo 20) Tycho


After the failure of Apollo 13 Apollo 14 was rescheduled for Fra Mauro. After the cancellations, the remaining missions were changed to:

J-1 (Apollo 15) Hadley Rille
J-2 (Apollo 16) Descartes
J-3 (Apollo 17) Taurus-Littrow


No crews were officially assigned to the cancelled missions. The normal crew rotation had the backup crew for a mission moving up to become the prime flight crew three missions later. Based on that scenario, the crews for the cancelled missions would have been:

Apollo 18
Richard Gordon, Commander
Vance Brand, Command Module Pilot
Harrison Schmitt, Lunar Module Pilot


Apollo 19
Fred Haise, Commander
William Pogue, Command Module Pilot
Gerald Carr, Lunar Module Pilot


Apollo 20
Charles Conrad, Commander
Paul Weitz, Command Module Pilot
Jack Lousma, Lunar Module Pilot


These are subject to some uncertainty - they are based on the normal rotation but there is no way of knowing if these would have been the actual crews assigned. For example, since Conrad had already been to the Moon, it is thought Stuart Roosa (Apollo 14 Command Module Pilot) would have been assigned the Commander position on Apollo 20.

Harrison Schmitt was reassigned as Lunar Module Pilot on Apollo 17 after his mission was cancelled, presumably replacing Joe Engle, who was part of the Apollo 14 backup crew (with Cernan and Evans).

Vance Brand went on to fly on the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project (ASTP) and command three Shuttle missions. (The ASTP is often referred to as "Apollo 18" although the original Apollo 18 was the planned Moon mission.) Charles Conrad and Paul Weitz were assigned to the first crew to Skylab, Weitz later commanded a shuttle mission. Jack Lousma was on the second Skylab crew and later commanded a shuttle mission, and William Pogue and Gerald Carr were assigned to the third Skylab crew. Joe Engle was Commander of two Shuttle missions.


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Apollo home page
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Dr. David R. Williams, dave.williams@gsfc.nasa.gov
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Last Updated: 11 December 2003, DRW

Not what the guy said at all. He said he had been researching ufo's for 20 years, Hence the term 20 year veteran ufo researcher. Nothing was said about an apollo 20 mission.

I'd like to see someone launch a Saturn V secretly.
Even from Area 51.

incidentally, what altitude were they (allegedly) flying over the moon there? looks low to me.


That's the caption at the beginning of the video.

Anyone have pictures of Luna that didn't come from NASA/hubble/government sources? There are loads of big telescopes in the world that aren't run by governments.

All kinds of crazy theories but where are the photos to back them up?

You won't catch me recommending John Lear for anything, particularly about the Moon. Would you buy a used airplane from someone who talks like this:

Sunday 21st March 2004
John Lear
Here are the comments from John Lear. He was talking with Art Bell.

Mankind is an alien controlled experiment. All religions were created by the aliens to give us a set of rules and regulations to live by so that we wouldn't hurt ourselves.

The secret government knows about this experiment but is hiding it from us.

This experiment has something to do with the soul. The aliens refer to us as containers. There is a cube on the Moon with an antenna. The antenna sends and receives souls.

If someone dies an unscheduled death the antenna doesn't pick up their soul and the resulting energy remains on Earth as a ghost.

When there is a major disaster like 911 the aliens send down giant soul collectors to recover the souls.

Increase in homosexuality is caused by the cube placing male souls in female bodies and vice versa. This is either by design or there is a fault with the cube.

Mariners are called 'lost souls' because if you die underwater the aliens can't retrieve the soul through water of any depth.

There are 38 levels above top secret. The top level is Majestic 12. The US President does not hold the highest level of secrecy.

Our Moon was towed here and placed in orbit around the Earth by a very large machine. There was a time in the recorded history of man when the Earth had no Moon, and also a time when the Earth had two Moons.

The Moon has an atmosphere which contains clouds.

The Moon does not revolve which proves it is artificial.

The US will not go back to the Moon. Any other country trying to get to the Moon will fail.

US astronauts went to the Moon, saw all the alien machinery and structures and were told to keep silent about it by NASA.

Some of the film footage of the Apollo Moon landings were faked.

John Lear disagrees with Richard C. Hoagland's idea that some secret group is tampering with signals to the Mars rovers. He says it is NASA itself that is doing the tampering.

NASA knows that Venus is a normal planet just like Earth. Venus has beings that are similar to us.

We already have bases on the Moon and Mars but for anyone to go there it is a one way trip because they can't risk anyone coming back and revealing this information.

NASA knows there are spaceships in the rings of Saturn.

If mankind gets too close to discovering the experiment it will be cancelled and started all over again. A sort of cleansing that happens on Earth every 25,000 years.

There are two forms of gravity. Gravity A works on an atomic scale. Gravity B is the type that holds us on the Earth and holds the Earth in orbit around the Sun.

Gravity is instantaneous. We use a gravity phone to talk to the grey aliens who live 1,000 light years away.

Over 1,500 alien abductions occur each day in the US.

The Yellow Book is a government record of all alien crash retrievals.

Interesting...i'll find him later.

In the '80s I was involved in the LETTERS TO THE EDITOR of FATE MAGAZINE with questioning claims made by a couple of individuals who had amateur telescopes and were submitting to FATE awful sketches of things they said they could see on the Moon. At no time did any of these individuals provide a single photo to try to prove their claims. I have a few NASA photographic publications with nice, sharp, clear photos taken by LUNAR ORBITERS and astronauts. With a lot of research I was able to find almost all of the locations and saw that there was nothing to prove the outlandish claims and sometimes what they were seeing were illusions due to the distance and the resolving power of their small telescopes.

In June 1979 a book was published by Dell. I'm looking at my paperback copy. It is titled "SECRETS OF OUR SPACESHIP MOON" and written by DON WILSON, who also authored "OUR MYSTERIOUS SPACESHIP MOON." "SECRETS..." was a sequel. THE NASA COVER-UP Here are the facts theycouldn't hide! What did the men on the moon really see?

I'm going to keep you and this post in mind as future reference since I'm the original Selenomaniac!

astronauts? But we never went to the moon...

(n.b. Irony.)

SkepticalEd, i'm not sure if i'm reading you right here so just to clarify - my second post about not seeing anything out the ordinary should tell you i don't believe the theories of the man i mentioned in my first post. I just mentioned John Lear for those that are interested in these theories, not because i agree with him.

Watch the video.

I have not read all responses here, but let me say this. The inerior of the "Apollo 20" looks like a modern consumer 1 chip CCD camera in regular indoor light. At the time this should have taken place there were no chips but there were Vidicon cameras and their likes and they did not produce a picture like that. They had tail effects in the light parts and the picture would have been grainy, dull and darker. Ifd they had been smart they should have bought an old VHS camera, no CCD camera and it would have been more believeable.

I'm not agreeing that there is a Apollo 20 mission or that any were done in secret ,but my uncle who is a huge space race fan had talked with people before that had told him there were plans to build rocket platforms closer to the equator and in uninhabited areas to lessen the chance of death of civilians due to explosions. these were early concerns. if it happened probably not but they were considering it

That's why I didn't mention any involvement on your part, I just mentioned my reluctance and included some "evidence" for my reluctance. When it come to lunar anomalies there are plenty of sites dedicated to convincing others that what they claim to be and seen on the moon is real. Mostly, it stems first from George Leonard and his book "SOMEBODY ELSE IS ON THE MOON" and "WE DISCOVERED ALIEN BASES ON THE MOON" by Fred Steckling. Neither book is convincing, especially Steckling's. But you have to wonder when it comes to someone like John Lear who is no dummy why he goes off the deep end.

There's a practical reason for doing that, because that means that less power has to be used to reach orbit, or something along those lines. That's why Ariane is launched from French Guiana, I think. But if anyone had tried to launch from some secret installation for clandestine reasons, I expect someone would probably have noticed.

I have a 4" Nexstar Never seen such things on the moon either. New at this though, only about a month now

Have you used the SkyAlign package?

4" Nexstar - very nice, i wish i'd gone for something like that tbh, a Dobsonian is a cumbersome piece of kit to carry about. Incidentally, i bought a cheap and cheerful 2.4" refractor this morning, that should be a bit of fun for looking at the moon.

SkyAlign?.. Is that object tracking software/hardware. If so, i know nothing about that yet, that's next on my list to look into further.

I was just checking we were singing from the same hymn sheet so-to-speak. I agree about the books too. John Lear certainly is no dummy, that's why i mentioned him, i always think it's good for people to read these things for themselves, then they can make an informed descision as to why he makes such claims.

Example - exploration is a passion of mine - i strongly dislike the opinions of a man called Roland Huntford, i'd still recommend people to read his work though, they can decide for themselves what they think of his opinions.

I agree. The government is hiding a lot of intelligence, and I think that they should come forward with what they're hiding. As citizens, we deserve to know what's going on. We know that something's going on, but it's the government that keeps us from knowing WHAT, exactly.

Everything
I've only managed to see the moon with the large eyepiece....when it comes to the smaller ones i only seem to be able to make the blue blobs into bigger blue blobs.
I tried to see Jupiter the other night but same thing i just magnified the blob........

mmm, let have a think about that and i'll get back to you when i'm home from work.

Okey Dokey ...........i probably wont be back until Monday so take your time.

Well, if they've got any intelligence, they're doing a pretty good job of hiding it, that's for sure.

ho ho.

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