Actually I don't believe in luck. As a concept, it refers to the unknown and I believe there are a finite number of variables in the universe (though they are beyond the comprehension of any human being). Thus, "luck" merely refers to a chain of events that we don't understand. While it's not "luck" when I get a dollar for performing a service, it somehow IS "luck when I find a dollar on the street... though of course the dollar on the street has an origin as rational as the dollar I was given by a customer.

Your ideas about luck? Is it good, bad or even exist?

If you throw a dice and exactly guessed the number, it's called probability.
If you don't buy a lotto tickets, there's no chance you are going to win.
If you pick up a million dollar winning ticket in a rubbish bin, what do you call it?

Dumpster diving, coupled with captivating captivity.

Dumpster diving LOL!

I don't believe in luck, I do believe, however sometimes fate intervenes.

This is the closest thing I can identify with in terms of luck...

"We are going to die and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they're never going to be born." —Richard Dawkins, 'Unweaving the Rainbow'

I don't view this as a "right or wrong" matter but rather one of perception. I'm not a determinist so luck isn't a factor I given credence to in my daily life. There are things within my realm of control and things I can only have a small influence in (as well as those I cannot control at all). "Luck" isn't a factor in any of these conditions.

Yeah, I agree with that.

VERY GOOD! I like the answer--makes a lot of sense.

Well yeah, when u put it that way. I guess I don't believe in luck either lol. Luck is just another way 2 b superstitious.

hmmm. i might say "luck" but i guess i don't believe in it, at the end of the day, you make your own luck. however fate, yes I do belife that 50% of fate is chosen for us, and 50% is left for our hearts to decide.

Umm this is a hard one because if fate does intervene better for someone and worse for someone else wouldn't the person with a better fate be considered lucky
I do believe in karma so could luck just be good karma coming your way.

I'd have to say no, there is no such thing as luck. Only likely and unlikely probabilities.

That being said I find everyone else having more luck than me =/

Yes, I believe in karma too and this is why I do not believe in luck.

If good Karma comes my way, in my opinion, it is because I did something in the past that enabled that good Karma to come my way, likewise for bad - if bad comes my way, tough, I had done something to get that.

But when it comes to fate, that is a little different. Take this scenerio, there I am sitting in a pub, I was not supposed to be there, but it was raining and I had gone there to get dry and wait to see if the rain stops. I get talking to a bloke who, eventually ends up being my husband - good husband too, lots in common, beneficial to each other etc etc! In my view, meeting that person was not good luck, but fate - fate brought us together - good fate though, I'll give it that

My Major is Statistics. I would be the last person to believe in luck

Your comment is a form of oxymoron. If you don't believe in luck, how can you believe in fate? Neither exists.

Oh, no, another dumb comment! Believes in karma but doesn't believe in luck!

I believe that sometimes, when something unexpected (good or bad) happens that I don’t feel like saying, "Wow, that was an incredibly unlikely scenario in which I did not expect that out come. The probability of that is astronomical." I prefer, "Wow, I got lucky there."

Yes, everything has a cause and a reason why it happened... whether you think there is a scientific reason.. i.e. "That dollar was on the ground in that position because a high pressure wind current from the southeast caused a breeze that lifted the dollar from it's resting place.. According to Newton it was in motion until gravity and air resistance. blah blah" or supernatural, i.e. "God put that dollar there for me," the fact remains that something happened that you cant fully understand right away... might as well chalk it up to "luck," smile, and continue to live your life.

Luck is Destiny Manifested. Luck is the force which keeps man set on his destiny if one knows whether an event is caused by action or by luck one knows wheter to proceed or not some follish people do not believe in luck and have a hard time fighting it.

We should check all the dumpsters--he knows something! lol

I would be more inclined to say, luck is a sense of being. Like when you feel fortunate to be in the right place, at the right time. So having been both a forunate son and a miserable soul luck is just feeling lucky, be it good or the other.

Sure..."luck" being looked at as a feeling...I think that works well:)

well most of the references to luck are hard pressed to be expressed with the word or mention of feeling

The title of this thread caught my attention. I believe you make your own luck but I have a son, he's grown up now, but he has always been a very lucky person. His friends call him " even stevens". I'm not sure it it has the same meaning world over, but australians will know what I mean. Even if something bad seems to be looming, it always and I mean always works out for him. He was born on 8/8/85, supposedly a very lucky date. that boy is a freak of nature.

I will have to agree.

IMO there is no luck,karma,fate what have you. All things boil down to a probability. Say your on a ladder and fall, was that bad or good luck? Befor you answer think about it. If you didn't break a bone you were lucky, if you did break a bone your unlucky but wait at least you didn't break your neck. Luck is in the mind, good thoughts will not bring good things as "The Secret" might have you believe. Life is about probability and choice hence you choose to go on a latter the probability of something going wrong increases. Such as every second of your day goes I will further explain. Say you at home sitting at the table drinking your coffee and reading the paper, and a 747 crash's through your rough and kills you. It is not luck, just that there was a Probability that a plane might fall from the sky and kill you, no luck,bad luck,karma ect. Just probability.

Well then how do we explain people who seem to have a "streak" as they call it? People who go through life having everything going right? I admit statisticaly its still probability thats playing a role but if you consider from that person's point of view, he is the one which statistics chose to have that 'streak'. For me thats fate/luck.

You do have a fair point there, but what is the probability that the 747 fails at exactly the right time, place, height and while going the right speed and direction, with the right wind speed, direction and for your house and you to be in the right spot. It would have to be a pretty bloody high chance for all these certain components to happen, so wouldn't you consider this to be unlucky.

QUOTE(Lotus Flower @ Aug 23 2007, 01:08 PM)
Yes, I believe in karma too and this is why I do not believe in luck.

If good Karma comes my way, in my opinion, it is because I did something in the past that enabled that good Karma to come my way, likewise for bad - if bad comes my way, tough, I had done something to get that.

But when it comes to fate, that is a little different. Take this scenerio, there I am sitting in a pub, I was not supposed to be there, but it was raining and I had gone there to get dry and wait to see if the rain stops. I get talking to a bloke who, eventually ends up being my husband - good husband too, lots in common, beneficial to each other etc etc! In my view, meeting that person was not good luck, but fate - fate brought us together - good fate though, I'll give it that




You know, I believe that may be why she is not your wife because you put here in the 'dumb' room.

Fate, luck, and karma are degrees of the same thing. The chaos that surrounds us. Her statement was brilliant. There are many things that connect people; their vibes, their magnetism, their 'look,' etc.
You have a room full of people milling about; being 'chaotic.' The whole picture of the people together is like karma; they're all drawn to one place because maybe the owner is a good person and has done good. Inside this 'karma' of gathered people, little cliques develop, small groups come together because of similar ideas; like 'fate' has brought them together. Inside the little groups, maybe couples form through some interaction and 'luckily' they found one another.

I believe some things are predestined, you obviously do not, no problem, but as I do, that is why I do not believe in luck but do believe in fate or destiny


Sorry did someone squeak??

Listen, if you want to make insulting comments, just consider that you lose the arguments precisely because you have had to resort to such things

To GreggK: Thanks Gregg, After reading the two comments above, I was slightly worried I had not made myself clear, however, you understood perfectly and your posting was appreciated

It is interesting how luck behaves when you play poker

I'm thinking a lot of people are not grown up enough to talk about a subject without putting others down for their mere opinions. I think this topic is simple, yet pretty genius. I don't believe luck has that much power to lead a person as much as taking credit for one's self accomplishments to get what they deserved.

*sounds alarm*

It depends what you mean by luck, I tend to think of luck as the manifestation of chance and probability,

They still had to do something the arrive at the fact they got what ever the so called(luck) had done for them in return.

What happened to the post listings? The other way was better.

Post Listings?

What do you mean? What are you seeing? Maybe your settings got changed by accident.

The reason I am saying this is because I still see the listings the way I always have.

Try going into "My Controls" and then "settings" - I think you have to change them to "Standard"

yes sometimes not even a good topic gets the luck of the draw when it comes to bad manners

Hey...it worked, thanks Lotus! i don't know how it hopped onto a different setting...How "lucky" to run into you today

and with a bit of luck the world is spinning in the right direction

lol forget luck, it was meant that you posted on here, I read your post and happened to read that similar things had happened to others before AND I saw the answers given to them - I just copied

Glad you're back to normal

Don't count your chickens Wolfieboy

It could suddenly stop and start spinning in the opposite way any time soon

Locus and I are gonna put you on one side of the earth and see if it starts spinning the other way, then if it does, you have to stand on one foot and raise your arm like an antenna...Then we'll stick you on the commercial for verison wireless, say, "Can you hear me now?"

What you mean you and I do that to Wolfieboy?

No good doing that to me, I am already on one side of the Earth

Yeah we are gonna put a dress on him and stick a candle on his head hahahaha...It was meant to be hahahahahahaa

For me I think luck is a matter of perspective.

eg. a person is sitting in their house and their ceiling falls in onto the kitchen table and they might say "wow,wasn't I lucky I didn't die!"

but someone else might say "ah balls my ceilings after falling in, I'm soo unlucky,and i need a new table now!jeez!"

luck is something for positive people,its a way of looking on the bright side.It's a point of view.

All luck is is just the perception of something happening that you have or had no control over. And that so called something being either for or against you.

That sounds like fate.

I do believe in luck ,, but only 10-15%,,,,,





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can luck actually even be measured? I look at luck as being an emotion when things go right for someone. same as when something goes bad, all people don't just say they had an unlucky day. They say they had a good or bad day. It's how you handle it as to how you view things.

Luck or no luck, I'm not reading the paper in Rational's house lol

can luck actually even be measured? I look at luck as being an emotion when things go right for someone. same as when something goes bad, all people don't just say they had an unlucky day. They say they had a good or bad day. It's how you handle it as to how you view things.


my words your words its just luck as too who says it first

Fate and Karma are words/ideas purely made up by the human imagination. There is no evidence for any of them and probably never will be.

Fate: Who can say if something was "meant to be" or not? There is no way to test it. Just because you meet your future husband because your airplane was delayed does not mean it was "pre-planned" or "willed to happen" by some form of "supernatural intelligence" above us. How can anyone know either way? There is no proof. But there IS proof that probability occurs. So why not side with what you have proof for? Ah, because the idea of fate "sounds good." (Thats why it was invented in the first place.) You can't judge truth by "how good the concept sounds to you."

Karma: Another concept with no proof whatsoever, and a dogma that seems to purposefully resists any attempt to study it. Horrible things sometimes happen to great people, and great things sometimes happen to horrible people. If you rob a bank and shoot three people in the process, there is no guarantee that you will have bad experiences later on. you may very well live the rest of your life on a pleasurable tropical island until the day you calmly die in your sleep at the age of 98. Or, you could be a poor but humble and polite person. You do your best every day to help others and make the world a better place. Then someone breaks into your house, kills your daughter right in front of you (by torture) and then tortures you to death. THESE THINGS ACTUALLY HAPPEN. When I ask karma believers why these things happen, they always say "Oh, it must have been something bad that person did in a past life to bring the negative karma to them."

Phht. So now not only is that person believing in karma, that has no proof, but also reincarnation, which also has no proof. Using a supernatural event to try to explain another supernatural event is silly.

All luck is is what we call it when the probability of something was low, and it happens. To one person "lucky" things might happen 132 times per year. To another, only 17 times per year (on average). Therefore you could call the 132 time per year person "lucky" and the 17 time per year person "unlucky." But luck is not a "special force" that "stays with" someone. Maybe person 17 will suddenly win the lottery for 578 million dollars. Or maybe person 17 will die a horrible death.

I also like to think of "luck" as being a state of mind or an emotion. Something can happen to you and you might not see the good in it, or might not be thankful that only something minorly bad happened when it could have been worse. When life deals you lemons, make lemonade.


Anyways: Fate and Karma = things that are a 100% matter of blind faith. People beleive these concepts because it "sounds cool" or "their fruitloop yoga teacher told them it is true" or "the world would be better if this is how it really was."

Im still thinking about this but i guess we call it 'luck' when we win a probability. Like flipping a coin. If u call heads and it lands on heads, its just probability but we call it luck. But there are also the big ones like finding a million dollar lottery ticket in the trash can. I guess everyone had a probability of picking it up... but u did... argh w/e... I also think that we should talk more about coincidence too. Are things just a coincidence or does coincidency exist ... or u dont have to... ahhh im confusing myself.