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I-am
Hi all.

I thought it would be interesting to see what we know about "Cherubs" and why they are always depicted as they are...

I am looking forward to see what you know about these "Little People"...
Emma_Acid
From wiki:

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According to the editors of the Jewish Encyclopedia, Early Israelite tradition conceived of the cherubim as guardians of the Garden of Eden, being devoid of human feelings, and holding a duty both to represent the gods and to guard sanctuaries from intruders, in a comparable way to an account found on Tablet 9 of the inscriptions found at Nimrud. In this view, cherubim, like the shedu, were probably originally depictions of storm deities, especially the storm winds.


The shedu were winged lions with human heads in Mesopotamia, thought by scholars to be the original "cherub".

You're wrong however about cherubs being depicted as "little people" - those images in Renaissance art of winged children aren't cherubs, they're 'putti' - the souls of innocents.

wiki on cherubs traditional depiction:

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In Christianity, they are often represented in iconography as faces of a lion, ox, eagle, and man peering out from the center of an array of four wings (Ezekial 1v6,8, 10v12,21 Revelation 4v8); Seraphim have six; the most frequently encountered descriptor applied to Cherubim in Christianity is many-eyed, and in depictions the wings are often shown covered with a multitude of eyes (showing them to be all seeing beings)


REF
greggK
There's cherubim, seraphim, sanobim, seconaphim, omniaphim, and more. There's the ones without name and number; there's seats, powers, thrones, pricipalities. The worlds definitions of these things are according to the physical descriptions of the spiritual presence. The qualities of their definitions are so restrictive of their actual potential. But then, you will never know what the spiritual is through a physical definition.

In the Christian bible, Lucifer was the 'covering cherub' for the throne of God. Lucifer gave power to Satan to become 'god of this world.' That's good isn't it? Tells you exactly what a cherub is, right? According to Emma's post, cherubs have faces, wings, eyes, and probably bodies.

On this world, there are transport capabilities, such as, scooters, bicycles, motorcycles, cars, buses, motor homes on the ground; in the air, there is balloons, kites, rockets, helicopters, jets, and big humongous airplanes to carry things, there is even ships that go to outer space. These things are the physical representations of spiritual potentials.

What I think would be something to compare a 'cherub' to would be a bus or a motor home with a big family on the ground. In the air, it would be a big 747-8000 jetliner. But, what are they carrying? What are all the eyes?

The bus or motor home would carry people with eyes; same with the jetliner, but what could they represent? Angels perhaps? Now, we're getting somewhere.

In the bible, it is written, 'No wonder, the angels of Satan transform themselves into angels of light.'
And somewhere else it says that 'The eyes are the light of the body.' Are y'all awake yet?
Emma_Acid
QUOTE(greggK @ Aug 23 2007, 03:32 PM) *
On this world, there are transport capabilities, such as, scooters, bicycles, motorcycles, cars, buses, motor homes on the ground; in the air, there is balloons, kites, rockets, helicopters, jets, and big humongous airplanes to carry things, there is even ships that go to outer space. These things are the physical representations of spiritual potentials.

What I think would be something to compare a 'cherub' to would be a bus or a motor home with a big family on the ground. In the air, it would be a big 747-8000 jetliner. But, what are they carrying? What are all the eyes?

The bus or motor home would carry people with eyes; same with the jetliner, but what could they represent? Angels perhaps? Now, we're getting somewhere.


Er.... are we?
greggK
QUOTE(Emma_Acid_88 @ Aug 23 2007, 08:53 AM) *
Er.... are we?


Sorry, I was a little presumptuous; maybe it would have been better to say, 'Those who know what the bible says and can put together some statements that they remember from their study of it might be in a better position to understand what I am trying to say.'

But, it is good to take trips in a motor home. 'Hey Mom! Are we there yet?'
jaylemurph
QUOTE(Emma_Acid_88 @ Aug 23 2007, 09:11 AM) *
From wiki:
The shedu were winged lions with human heads in Mesopotamia, thought by scholars to be the original "cherub".

You're wrong however about cherubs being depicted as "little people" - those images in Renaissance art of winged children aren't cherubs, they're 'putti' - the souls of innocents.

wiki on cherubs traditional depiction:
REF


Good catch, Emma.

QUOTE(greggK @ Aug 23 2007, 11:50 AM) *
Sorry, I was a little presumptuous; maybe it would have been better to say, 'Those who know what the bible says and can put together some statements that they remember from their study of it might be in a better position to understand what I am trying to say.'

But, it is good to take trips in a motor home. 'Hey Mom! Are we there yet?'


I know the Bible quite well and this still doesn't make too much sense to me.
Then again, I'm a heathen.

--Jaylemurph
I-am
QUOTE(Emma_Acid_88 @ Aug 23 2007, 11:11 PM) *
From wiki:
The shedu were winged lions with human heads in Mesopotamia, thought by scholars to be the original "cherub".

You're wrong however about cherubs being depicted as "little people" - those images in Renaissance art of winged children aren't cherubs, they're 'putti' - the souls of innocents.

wiki on cherubs traditional depiction:
REF


Hey! Thanks for your great input there folk's! I appreciate all the replies that have so far been given, but I am still puzzled by not the "winged lions" and "winged children", but more in the depictions of scantily dressed small humans, (always of male gender), who seem to frolic with Earth women and romance and inspire them with harp music etc. and have many different interactions with our (?) Earth human inhabitants.. They are also depicted as being from the sky. Just who can tell me what cloud they may live on? I believe the "winged lions with human heads" etc were depictions of scientific extreme DNA products of one of the falls of Atlantis.
tomt
QUOTE(jaylemurph @ Aug 23 2007, 05:14 PM) *
Good catch, Emma.
I know the Bible quite well and this still doesn't make too much sense to me.
Then again, I'm a heathen.

--Jaylemurph



perhaps Dr Who can help you -
draconic chronicler
QUOTE(Eloha @ Aug 23 2007, 07:03 AM) *
Hi all.

I thought it would be interesting to see what we know about "Cherubs" and why they are always depicted as they are...

I am looking forward to see what you know about these "Little People"...


All of those sources are wrong.

The earliest Cherubs can be found in the Earliest Eden.

The original inspiration for Genesis are the Sumerian legends where we see Eden, the great flood, tower of babel, etc.

The Sumerian identified Eden as a pleasure garden for the stone age city of Eridu , built by a dragon god called Enki.

Enki tricks his human servant Adam out of gaining eternal life. There can be no question the Biblical story is inspired by the sumerian one. In fact the patriarch abraham lived very close to Eridu.

The garden of eden as well as the gates of heaven were guarded by two more dragons of lower status than Enki, they were Ningishzida and Dumuzi. You can see a sculpture of Ningishzida in the louvre, a fiarly typical four legged, winged , serpent necked dragon.

These TWO dragons, just like the TWO Cherubs escort Adam and guard heaven and the garden.

No think about this for a minute.

Many human cultures all over the world have similar legends about trees of wisdom, and immortality. And ONE kind of creature is alway associated with guarding these trees.. It is a reptile that we call a dragon.

The Catholic church eliminated these dragons, as well as the Seraphim, that were also unquestionably dragons in the original hebrew scripture, because they did not want to confuse the ignorant peasants with the fact their "devil" was supposed to be a dragon too. But a study of chruch documents prove the leaders alwys new these creatures were dragons. You can see the Popes personal bibles in the vataican museum, and when the scriptures describin God riding on the Cherub is illustrated in Medieval bibles, the Cherub is ALWAYS a winged Reptilian DRAGON.
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