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Ghost Ship
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Here is an audio of Anneliese Michel's Exorcism. Listen Here Give it a few seconds



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Sounds like a demon to me ! Creepy !
Shankpin
Her case deeply saddens me.
Lotus Flower
QUOTE(Sunni @ Aug 26 2007, 01:28 AM) *
Her case deeply saddens me.

Yes, me too, it was a tragic case indeed sad.gif
Shankpin
Yes, it was Lotus..

I can barely find myself opening a thread to her and not feel hit in the gut..

May God rest her soul.
JustNormal
QUOTE(Sunni @ Aug 26 2007, 12:45 AM) *
Yes, it was Lotus..

I can barely find myself opening a thread to her and not feel hit in the gut..

May God rest her soul.




Same here Sunni, I dont even want to read it or watch a video. This happens all too often, more than people know. I dont know when this took place and to me, it doesnt matter...JN- crying.gif
truethat


I don't mean to ruin the thread but I would plead with people not to listen to this. Its just me and my own personal issue on the matter but this case is wrapped in evil and I've always been very scared of it.

So please think about it before you listen.
Lotus Flower
QUOTE(truethat @ Aug 26 2007, 01:52 AM) *
I don't mean to ruin the thread but I would plead with people not to listen to this. Its just me and my own personal issue on the matter but this case is wrapped in evil and I've always been very scared of it.

So please think about it before you listen.

I could only listen to approximately 20 seconds worth, I had to turn it off. It gives you a strange feeling, I agree True.
Shankpin
A lot of people don't realize due to the distorted information based on the movie " Emily Rose," but this girl was very talented, beautiful, and extremely smart.. a good girl. A good girl. A genuine loving girl.

sigh

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Jennie 1
QUOTE(Blue_Sphere @ Aug 25 2007, 06:53 PM) *


I'm almost completely deaf so I pulled aside the kids (my children and others who visit frequently, sometimes too frequently) to listen, they were totally bored with the exorcism but it could be because it was in a different language, they thought it was funny and mimiced the voice.

They were however, fascinated with this link and made me play the woman singing, the highest note, over and over. They also thought that the sounds "from hell" was looped. They say that they can hear the same sounds repeated throughout the recording. They had me save it to Favorites so they could come back and listen later. From what they told me it does seem to be very interesting.
Thanks for posting it!
Ghost Ship
Yes. This is considered to be one of the most disturbing audio recordings in history. I feel for the girl as well. Somehow, when you look at her face in pictures as the person she was before the possession something hits your heart. Something real and sad.

Despite that though the audio contains the sounds of a demon in possession of an innocent soul. Something that happens, although in much smaller degree's, all the time around the world and is worthy of study and investigation.

Besides the horror of her being possessed by a demon the adults who were with her during her ordeal were ignorant and arrogant a##holes. Her parents allowed the priests in charge of her exorcism to starver her and to keep news of her failing health away from doctors or anyone else that would interfere with their methods of exorcisim.

The two priests involved were chared with neglegent homocide and her parents were brought up on charges as well. They didn't get away with it, and maybe she would have lived if at the first signs of her emotional distress she was taken to a proper medical facility.

If this audio is real then that girl, in the least, if not possessed by a demon, had something going on with her that was extremely abnormal in regards to parapsychology and was a phenominon that has yet to be unexplained IMO.


Possessions of this magnatude seem to be non-existent in this modern age. It has always been my opinion that somehow, and in someway, technology has scared away all the ghosts and demons.
Jennie 1
QUOTE(Blue_Sphere @ Aug 25 2007, 09:08 PM) *
Besides the horror of her being possessed by a demon the adults who were with her during her ordeal were ignorant and arrogant a##holes. Her parents allowed the priests in charge of her exorcism to starver her and to keep news of her failing health away from doctors or anyone else that would interfere with their methods of exorcisim.

The two priests involved were chared with neglegent homocide and her parents were brought up on charges as well. They didn't get away with it, and maybe she would have lived if at the first signs of her emotional distress she was taken to a proper medical facility.


Whatever her problems were, any parent who would stand by and watch their child starve to death needs to be in prison.
I agree, she may have lived if someone would have taken her to a proper medical facility at the first signs of something strange.
I have no idea what was wrong with her and it may very well have been a demon possesion, although I don't believe in that type of thing, but something should have been done for her, by the people who claimed to love her.
Masked Manhunter
QUOTE(Blue_Sphere @ Aug 26 2007, 11:53 AM) *
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Here is an audio of Anneliese Michel's Exorcism. Listen Here Give it a few seconds
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Sounds like a demon to me ! Creepy !

Ive just watched the video Docomuntry on the exorcism,and I felt for everyone involved,but what was disturbing was that a nun had a vision of Anneliese and was told that if Annelieses coffin was opened,her body would be perfectly preserved,but the church exhumed the body,but locked the door before the family or anyone else could see the body.
Masked Manhunter
QUOTE(Blue_Sphere @ Aug 26 2007, 02:08 PM) *
Yes. This is considered to be one of the most disturbing audio recordings in history. I feel for the girl as well. Somehow, when you look at her face in pictures as the person she was before the possession something hits your heart. Something real and sad.

Despite that though the audio contains the sounds of a demon in possession of an innocent soul. Something that happens, although in much smaller degree's, all the time around the world and is worthy of study and investigation.

Besides the horror of her being possessed by a demon the adults who were with her during her ordeal were ignorant and arrogant a##holes. Her parents allowed the priests in charge of her exorcism to starver her and to keep news of her failing health away from doctors or anyone else that would interfere with their methods of exorcisim.

The two priests involved were chared with neglegent homocide and her parents were brought up on charges as well. They didn't get away with it, and maybe she would have lived if at the first signs of her emotional distress she was taken to a proper medical facility.

If this audio is real then that girl, in the least, if not possessed by a demon, had something going on with her that was extremely abnormal in regards to parapsychology and was a phenominon that has yet to be unexplained IMO.
Possessions of this magnatude seem to be non-existent in this modern age. It has always been my opinion that somehow, and in someway, technology has scared away all the ghosts and demons.

Sorry My Friend,but her parents didnt starve her.
Ghost Ship
You haven't seen pictures? And no, her parents didn't starve her. The priests did. Do some reading before you post. It's well documented.


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Besides the horror of her being possessed by a demon the adults who were with her during her ordeal were ignorant and arrogant a##holes. Her parents allowed the priests in charge of her exorcism to starver her and to keep news of her failing health away from doctors or anyone else that would interfere with their methods of exorcisim.


Thats exactly what i said.
Ghost Ship
The autopsy report, however, said that her death was caused by the malnutrition and dehydration that resulted from almost a year of semi-starvation during the rites.


Anneliese Michel (September 21, 1952 – July 1, 1976) was a Catholic woman from Germany who was said to be possessed by six or more demons and subsequently underwent an exorcism. Two motion pictures, The Exorcism of Emily Rose and Requiem are based on Anneliese's story.

Anneliese experienced what is recognized by medical professionals as severe psychiatric disturbances from the age of 16 to her death, at age 23, as a direct or indirect result of an exorcism ritual. Both priests who performed the exorcism and Anneliese's parents were convicted of manslaughter. The Catholic Church, which had authorized the exorcism, reversed its position and declared Anneliese Michel a case of mental illness. Many people, however, still believe she was genuinely possessed by demons, and her grave-site is a destination for pilgrims to this day.



Trial and courtroom charges
After an investigation the state prosecutor maintained Anneliese’s death could have been prevented even one week before she died. He charged all four defendants — Pastor Ernst Alt and Father Arnold Renz as well as the parents — with negligent homicide for failing to call a medical doctor.

The trial started on March 30, 1978 in the district court and drew intense interest. Before the court, the doctors claimed the woman was not possessed, although Dr. Richard Roth, who was asked for medical help by Father Alt, allegedly said after the exorcism he witnessed on May 30, 1976 that "there is no injection against the devil."

The priests were defended by church-paid lawyers, whereas the parents were defended by one of Germany's most well-known lawyers, Erich Schmidt-Leichner, a lawyer who had defended numerous persons in Nazi war crimes trials. Schmidt-Leichner claimed that the exorcism was legal and that the German constitution protected citizens in the unrestricted exercise of their religious beliefs.

The defense played tapes recorded at the exorcism sessions, sometimes featuring what was claimed to be "demons arguing", as proof that Anneliese was indeed possessed. Both priests presented their deeply held conviction that she was possessed, and that she was finally freed by exorcism just before she died.

Ultimately, the accused were found guilty of manslaughter resulting from negligence and were sentenced to six months probation. It was a far lighter sentence than anticipated by most people. Yet, it was more than demanded by the prosecution, which had asked that the priests only be fined and that the parents be found guilty but not punished.

During the trial, the major lingering issues were related to the church itself. A not-guilty verdict could be seen as opening the gate to more exorcism attempts - and possibly unfortunate outcomes. But for the most part, experienced observers believed the effect would be the opposite - that merely bringing charges of negligent homicide against priests and parents would provoke changes and more caution.

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Genocyde
Wow....that is cool...It would have been really interesting to hear her side of what happened if she had survived. That audio is pretty... blink.gif to say the least.
Z£TÄ
I don't even wanna listen to it unsure.gif no.gif
The Skeptic Eric Raven
I believe it was overly religous parents. She was mentally ill and needed help not an exorcism.
Fluffybunny
I have never felt that excorcisms have really dealt with the core issue of mental illness. I know I will take a lot of heat for this, but I deal with so many mentally ill folks on a regular basis(firefighter/emt that has to take a lot of patients to the psych ward at the local hospital), and in my own opinion the symptoms of schizophrenic breakdowns, anyone of a hundred causes for seizures and tourrettes syndrome match what people feel are possessions. For me the sinker is that the symptoms are resolved with medical intervention and one would think that demons powerful enough to take over a human body would not be troubled by a small dose of haldol or thorazine. I know that there are people here that believe themselves to have been possessed and that is their right; if they feel that the treatments they used resolved hte problems then sobeit, but in my opinion there is just too much information out there that show that medical interventions treat those that claim to be possessed.

From my studies it seems like psychiatric research still has a stigma to it and is a good 50 years behind other forms of medical care like cancer; technology and medications are being refined more and more and helping people that would have once been burned at the stake for being possessed. Time wasted trying to get priests and self professed exorcists to help a person simply does not help anyone involved when there are treatments out there that can help rather quickly.

That being said, the audio is certainly disturbing as are the written accounts of these cases(not just her). The movies are as well but we all know how much hollywood goes into these kinds of things and they are sometimes far more sensationalized than the stories they are based on.

The Skeptic Eric Raven
I agree Fluff. My mother was schizophrenic and without meds many things she said and did fit the posession profile. Meds cleared that up.
AdorablyDead
This is the first time I've heard of this chick actually, I love the Emily Rose movie. Unlike the Excorsist it was actually scary. I have to hide my eyes everytime I watch it.

I think I would agree more with Eric on her though. But you never know, I'm now just reading up on her and the case.

I thought the audio was boring. But I also don't understand German except for choice words and phrases....not like you could hear anything but growling anyways.

thanks for posting though. Something else to keep me up at night wink2.gif lol.
Lycos
Well, I haven't listened to it yet because each time I get close to my head feels like it's going to explode. But here is my take on this. Yes, from everything I've read I believe she was possessed . And yes, some people who do have mental illnesses may be possessed also, but I truly believe that science and religion do not clash at all. I believe that science proves the existence of God and how anything can be possible. For example some time ago it was proved that at the timing that Moses parted the Red Sea it was scientifically possible. And I believe God gave us as humans all of his knowledge deep down inside. One religion may not be right, or another may not be, you can only know what is true by a pure heart.

Now back to to those who have mental illnesses...medications do work for a lot of these and some may just be a defect at birth. But some, may be possessions and medications can cure or stop it. After all they were made by humans who have God's blessings of knowledge. And this is the reason why we have so few "known" possessions in recent years that required and exorcism. Again, not every mental illness is a possession don't get me wrong. Very severe ones MAY be and medication MAY help. But in this particular case I can't put the blame on anyone. I truly believed she was possessed and if she were to live, science and religion would HAVE to work TOGETHER. Even if that's the case...sometimes it is not up to us to decide who lives or dies. That's my take on things.
primordial
So..is anneliese a Saint? I tend to think not....but there is some other ominous force as I listen to the recording.
Am I convinced? No.
edit- question "where was she buried?"
Jennie 1
QUOTE(primordial @ Aug 27 2007, 11:14 PM) *
So..is anneliese a Saint? I tend to think not....but there is some other ominous force as I listen to the recording.
Am I convinced? No.
edit- question "where was she buried?"


I've looked and I can't find anything that tells the exact location.
However, I did find this link which I think is interesting and it says she's buried close to home.

http://www.chasingthefrog.com/reelfaces/emilyrose.php
JustNormal
I only am aware of part of this story and could not listen to the video or watch a movie about it. In any case, I DO believe in possession, absolutely. The issue is in my opinion, is one really mentally ill or possessed? How would we know? I guess if we went into a Psych ward and sprinkled holy water on each patient, we might be very suprised. There are no real statistics so its sort of an individual belief. I do believe if someone was mentally ill, medications would help their symptoms subside, and often do. Many hear voices, see images, and basically become insane, or are they? Many are of course. What about the ones "possessed" that do get well after a religious exorcism? If they were mentally ill, that would not be possible. If someone was mentally ill and had an exorcism, that would be counter productive. Demonics tend to possess someone that lacks free well, they dont have the capacity to say yes, or no, whether it be a child, teen or adult. They normally latch on when someone is possibly physically ill, maybe depressed or just an average person, just depends on their emotional strength. Demonics can also influence anyone which can make them think differently, change their behavior or lifestyle, yet they feel perfectly normal inside. These monsters are everywhere, and no one really knows why they enter a home, and torture people & families to the point of insanity. Basically they are here to instill fear and evil on people, and are so relentless their motive is to wear them down to the point they think they are going insane or do go insane, or commit suicide, or simply give up their free will. So bottom line is, in my opinion it has nothing to do with mental illness, but that of evil. No one can "manifest" a Demonic, that is a total misconception. Those are my thoughts..JN-
coldethyl
QUOTE(Fluffybunny @ Aug 27 2007, 05:40 PM) *
I have never felt that excorcisms have really dealt with the core issue of mental illness.

From my studies it seems like psychiatric research still has a stigma to it and is a good 50 years behind other forms of medical care like cancer;


Man, I love you.

QUOTE(JustNormal @ Aug 28 2007, 12:08 AM) *
I only am aware of part of this story and could not listen to the video or watch a movie about it. In any case, I DO believe in possession, absolutely. The issue is in my opinion, is one really mentally ill or possessed? How would we know? I guess if we went into a Psych ward and sprinkled holy water on each patient, we might be very suprised. There are no real statistics so its sort of an individual belief.


^ See and we're 50 years behind because of ignorant comments like that. You're speaking on a subject that you have absolutely no clue about and it's painfully obvious. I'm going to stop here before I get myself into trouble. I'm pretty damn angry right now at that statement in bold. It's one of the most idiotic and ignorant and offensive things I've read in a long time. Do you have any clue how offensive that is to me?? I've spent time in a 'psych ward' and it's not like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest FYI. In one simple sentence you've just proved Fluffy's sentiment entirely. I can barely type I'm so upset by that statement.

QUOTE(JustNormal @ Aug 28 2007, 12:08 AM) *
I do believe if someone was mentally ill, medications would help their symptoms subside, and often do. Many hear voices, see images, and basically become insane, or are they? Many are of course.


WTF are you talking about? The mentally ill basically go insane? Another statement that just proves you don't know what you're talking about.

Look. It's fine if you want to say you've had some encounter with a demon. I don't care. Whatever. But don't go around talking about the mentally ill like you have any clue because if you do someone who does have a clue might have something to say about it. Namely me.

Again a link that makes sense here.
SunnyOutlook
QUOTE(coldethyl @ Aug 28 2007, 12:02 PM) *
Look. It's fine if you want to say you've had some encounter with a demon. I don't care. Whatever. But don't go around talking about the mentally ill like you have any clue because if you do someone who does have a clue might have something to say about it. Namely me.

Again a link that makes sense here.


Right on, right on!! You go girl!
SunnyOutlook
I think there are a lot of things possible that we have a hard time wrapping our minds around. Was this girl possessed? I don't know, maybe. There are documented cases and the Catholic Church does have some guidelines. Christ, Himself, cast out demons from people.

I listened to the audio. It was bit hard to listen to, but there was distress in the voice. I watched the movie. What happened to this girl is tragic and sad. She and her family went through a lot.
Lycos
QUOTE(coldethyl @ Aug 28 2007, 05:02 PM) *
Man, I love you.
^ See and we're 50 years behind because of ignorant comments like that. You're speaking on a subject that you have absolutely no clue about and it's painfully obvious. I'm going to stop here before I get myself into trouble. I'm pretty damn angry right now at that statement in bold. It's one of the most idiotic and ignorant and offensive things I've read in a long time. Do you have any clue how offensive that is to me?? I've spent time in a 'psych ward' and it's not like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest FYI. In one simple sentence you've just proved Fluffy's sentiment entirely. I can barely type I'm so upset by that statement.
WTF are you talking about? The mentally ill basically go insane? Another statement that just proves you don't know what you're talking about.

Look. It's fine if you want to say you've had some encounter with a demon. I don't care. Whatever. But don't go around talking about the mentally ill like you have any clue because if you do someone who does have a clue might have something to say about it. Namely me.

Again a link that makes sense here.

I think you really blew things out of proportion, I don't think she ment to offend you at all and she was NOT saying that if you put holy water on everyone it would cure them.
Sweetpumper
Heh.

I'll have to listen when I get home. I bet it is a tough listen.
coldethyl
QUOTE(Amroth @ Aug 28 2007, 03:37 PM) *
I think you really blew things out of proportion, I don't think she ment to offend you at all and she was NOT saying that if you put holy water on everyone it would cure them.


Really, you think so do you?

Whether she meant to or not I was offended at the statement. I know what she meant by it. Mentally ill doesn't mean mentally challenged.
Sweetpumper
Man, I had that on and our cats stopped what they were doing and just glared at me. That's some creepy stuff right there.
shantiel
QUOTE(truethat @ Aug 25 2007, 05:52 PM) *
I don't mean to ruin the thread but I would plead with people not to listen to this. Its just me and my own personal issue on the matter but this case is wrapped in evil and I've always been very scared of it.

So please think about it before you listen.



I don't even know who it is or what it's about...so before I "NOT" listen to it, what's it all about? Saying you wish others wont listen to it, makes them wonder why, I'm about to hahaha...
shantiel
QUOTE(truethat @ Aug 25 2007, 05:52 PM) *
I don't mean to ruin the thread but I would plead with people not to listen to this. Its just me and my own personal issue on the matter but this case is wrapped in evil and I've always been very scared of it.

So please think about it before you listen.



And by the way, that pitcure you have is one of the funniest I have seen yet hahahaha...makes me happy to see it! grin2.gif
shantiel
QUOTE(truethat @ Aug 25 2007, 05:52 PM) *
I don't mean to ruin the thread but I would plead with people not to listen to this. Its just me and my own personal issue on the matter but this case is wrapped in evil and I've always been very scared of it.

So please think about it before you listen.



Hi, yeah, I guess since I was originally asking you about it...I just heard it and read about her on the net...I realized I had watched the german film about her. It seemed more to me that she was kinda made to believe she was possessed that with having her health problems...the poor girl thought it was all her.
JustNormal
QUOTE(coldethyl @ Aug 28 2007, 09:06 PM) *
Really, you think so do you?

Whether she meant to or not I was offended at the statement. I know what she meant by it. Mentally ill doesn't mean mentally challenged.


Then I suggest you build a bridge and get over it! JN- yes.gif
primordial
Poor Anneliese...
Jennie 1
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Aug 28 2007, 09:14 PM) *
Then I suggest you build a bridge and get over it! JN- yes.gif


Oh low blow!
Do you suggest that my 14 year old son "build a bridge and get over it" too? How about you tell him that his mental illness is caused by possession of a demon and that if someone just sprinkles some holy water on him, he'll be alright? Maybe you could do the honors JN! since you seem to be the expert on demons!
I wasn't going to say anything but this just makes me so angry! How can you say such a thing? That was just rude on top of rude.
You come here and tell a story Over and Over and Over again about a demon living in your house and yet you have the nerve to not only post stupid crap about the mentally ill, but make fun. Tsk! tsk! Believe it or not, most people here think that you are mentally ill, so build a bridge and get over that!!!!


anneliese is dead and gone, and I'm sure she could care less about what is going on in this world now.Sorry, but I'm pissed!
JustNormal
QUOTE(cyqe @ Aug 29 2007, 03:54 AM) *
Oh low blow!
Do you suggest that my 14 year old son "build a bridge and get over it" too? How about you tell him that his mental illness is caused by possession of a demon and that if someone just sprinkles some holy water on him, he'll be alright? Maybe you could do the honors JN! since you seem to be the expert on demons!
I wasn't going to say anything but this just makes me so angry! How can you say such a thing? That was just rude on top of rude.
You come here and tell a story Over and Over and Over again about a demon living in your house and yet you have the nerve to not only post stupid crap about the mentally ill, but make fun. Tsk! tsk! Believe it or not, most people here think that you are mentally ill, so build a bridge and get over that!!!!
anneliese is dead and gone, and I'm sure she could care less about what is going on in this world now.Sorry, but I'm pissed!



I have a son who is bipolar and I was a nurse I know all about mental illness Cyqe, and more than I want to. I was discussing something that is relavant to that story and "some" possessions. I have spoken to Psychiatrists, Pd.D's and doctors about it. I was simply saying it is possible that some people that have been instituionlized for years, and never get better might be possessed. How would we know? I was not speaking of Ethyl, your son or my son. I was NOT making fun of it. I was not trying to offend Ethyl or anyone else. She came out with a vengance and took it personally and she does it all the time. I lost my patience. And for those who think I am mentally ill, that is their opinion I could not care less what people on the Net think of me or what I went thru..
JustNormal
QUOTE(Amroth @ Aug 28 2007, 08:37 PM) *
I think you really blew things out of proportion, I don't think she ment to offend you at all and she was NOT saying that if you put holy water on everyone it would cure them.


Exactly, All I meant was if someone was possessed, medication wouldnt work. If someone had any kind of mental illness than medication would work. Thanks.JN
Kroll1
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Aug 29 2007, 07:59 AM) *
Exactly, All I meant was if someone was possessed, medication wouldnt work. If someone had any kind of mental illness than medication would work. Thanks.JN

Medication dont always work - And people dont have to be possessed because it dont work - I have worked for mentally ill people too for many years, and NOT all is helped by medication!!! Anyone who have worked for mentally ill patients would know that!!!
coldethyl
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Aug 28 2007, 09:14 PM) *
Then I suggest you build a bridge and get over it! JN- yes.gif

QUOTE(JustNormal @ Aug 29 2007, 12:59 AM) *
Exactly, All I meant was if someone was possessed, medication wouldnt work. If someone had any kind of mental illness than medication would work. Thanks.JN


Medication doesn't always work for not only the mentally ill but for everyone. If you were a nurse you'd know that. Lie much? Or do you just exaggerate the facts? Stretch the truth?

What is it with you anyway? I don't even have to defend myself here, you're statement shows your true colors perfectly.

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distortedpandy
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Aug 28 2007, 10:14 PM) *
Then I suggest you build a bridge and get over it! JN- yes.gif


This is my favorite part. You tell people to build bridges yet you just keep burning them.
angrycrustacean
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Aug 28 2007, 08:14 PM) *
Then I suggest you build a bridge and get over it! JN- yes.gif


I looove when people use this line just because they know they haven't got any ground left to stand on.
JustNormal
QUOTE(coldethyl @ Aug 29 2007, 01:45 PM) *
Medication doesn't always work for not only the mentally ill but for everyone. If you were a nurse you'd know that. Lie much? Or do you just exaggerate the facts? Stretch the truth?

What is it with you anyway? I don't even have to defend myself here, you're statement shows your true colors perfectly.

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The way I look at this is, it is a public forum on the Internet designed to discuss ghosts and everything related, including possessions. When it comes to possession its pretty hard to discuss it openly with an "opinion" without those two words coming into play. Fluffy posted and I replied, thats what we are supposed to do. I "never" said medication ALWAYS works, and I never said it doesnt. I was making a statement about both, nothing more, nothing less. You come on this board not believing in ghosts, but stating you are crazy or you are mentally ill, you said it, I didnt, and then you often offend others with what you call humor, that some dont find funny. IF we cant make a general statement, then what is this site for? I refuse to walk on eggshells about such an important aspect of the unknown, because you take it to heart. I wont stop stating my thoughts on any subject because one person is offended at the subject matter.. no.gif
Lotus Flower
QUOTE(coldethyl @ Aug 28 2007, 10:06 PM) *
Mentally ill doesn't mean mentally challenged.


That is absolutely true!

John Nash being a good example, he had schizophrenia and he was definitely not mentally challenged thumbsup.gif
coldethyl
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Aug 29 2007, 01:04 PM) *
The way I look at this is, it is a public forum on the Internet designed to discuss ghosts and everything related, including possessions. When it comes to possession its pretty hard to discuss it openly with an "opinion" without those two words coming into play. Fluffy posted and I replied, thats what we are supposed to do. I "never" said medication ALWAYS works, and I never said it doesnt. I was making a statement about both, nothing more, nothing less. You come on this board not believing in ghosts, but stating you are crazy or you are mentally ill, you said it, I didnt, and then you often offend others with what you call humor, that some dont find funny. IF we cant make a general statement, then what is this site for? I refuse to walk on eggshells about such an important aspect of the unknown, because you take it to heart. I wont stop stating my thoughts on any subject because one person is offended at the subject matter.. no.gif


For the record, you have no idea what I believe in. I said I don't believe in demonic possession. If you're going to go around telling people what they believe in, at least try and get it right.

I can come on this board believing in what ever I like just as you can. You'll do well to remember that.

I am not offended in the least about being mentally ill. I shouldn't be. I have no qualms about it, I'm not embarrassed about it at all because I didn't do anything to become mentally ill anymore than anyone does anything to get cancer or diabetes. I have no reason to be shamed into silence and I won't be. And you calling me crazy in your statement above goes further toward your character's suicide.

I have a problem with ignorance and stupidity which seems to be abundant about the subject matter. Let's not change the subject to my humor, shall we? If you don't find my humor funny, fine, don't laugh. If it's directed at you and it offends you, I'll apologize because I am that type of person. Just as I said I would do when I posted a picture you didn't like and you had a hissy fit. I told you all you had to do was say it hurt your feelings and it would have been down in a flash. I have compassion, I'm not about hurting other people. And it's your opinion that I 'often offend others'. You have any statistics? I'd say I had more friends than enemies.

Back to the subject at hand. I found your statement tasteless and offensive for the reasons that I named. I also find you tasteless and offensive for this response.

I never asked you to walk on eggshells but tact and respect would not harm anyone. How would you react if someone said something like 'I think we should just cram Haldol down the mouths of everyone who says they've seen a ghost and put them in a stupor for 6 months"?

Once again your own response to this entire situation has assassinated your character more than anything I could say.

Fluffybunny
I know how heated the subject of mental illness can be, specially when it butts up against the concepts of a paranormal nature; I think it would be great to steer the discussion back towards Annaliese as it is pretty clear where everybody stands on the mental illness/possession opinions.
Kroll1
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Aug 29 2007, 08:04 PM) *
I "never" said medication ALWAYS works,

It sure sounded like you said just that in post 40!
coldethyl
QUOTE(Fluffybunny @ Aug 29 2007, 01:46 PM) *
I know how heated the subject of mental illness can be, specially when it butts up against the concepts of a paranormal nature; I think it would be great to steer the discussion back towards Annaliese as it is pretty clear where everybody stands on the mental illness/possession opinions.


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