Firebolt
Dec 29 2003, 08:22 PM
Do you believe in Mermaids? Just a wonderus question.. let me know!
Beth Ro
thefirstman
Dec 29 2003, 08:34 PM
I dont know about this one,iv never thought about it to be honest.It is plausible,in the fields that i believe in Atlantis,and they could possibly be residents of it.Thats my views on them.
anonymous57
Dec 29 2003, 09:54 PM
Nope. Just people with bad eyesight seeing manitees or skinny dippers.
adelinainlove
Dec 29 2003, 09:58 PM
I have seen shows on TV and read things in different books. There are some female swimmers in some Asian part of the world that dive for pearls. Also there are legends about water fairies, mystical creatures. And there is some possibility that at one point in time there was a community of people that lived in the waters, with some adaptations to their environment. I personally am trying not to have an opinion, just know about it as much as I can.
Tess
Dec 29 2003, 10:02 PM
No,i don't believe in mermaids..........absolutely not!
r.griffin
Dec 30 2003, 08:22 AM
Do I believe in Mermaids? Well - as a sailor (US Navy) who sailed six of the seven on the brine -- many a chap dove over the side to chase what they thought were Sea Maidens (although I really think it was the Dear 'John' letter from home that caused them to take a swim!). Come to find out it was an old mold infested mop that somehow floated! Right!
OK! In all seriousness -- getting into the HEART of Esoteric knowledge (which is deemed ONLY for those with a disciplined open mind) -- The Mermaids (or Undines as they are known by) are one of a set of FOUR Elemental "Midwayers". Those entities that exit in the rhealm between the spiritual and physical. The remaining three (respectively) are: AIR - The winged Sylphs; FIRE - Salamanders (no relation to the amphibious namesake); Earth - Gnomes (nary Tolkien's Creatures!); and of course; WATER - Undines (otherwise known as Mer-people).
If you have children, and they live near the forest -- chances are they have seen the "Little Ones" (NO JOKE, as my daughter has when she was three) -- but Adulthood robs them of that ESP ability, and visual sensitivity. The presence of "Fairy Rings" (not much different than simple 'Crop Circles') -- sites a vortexal area where interdimensional contuum membranes are merged with quantuum realities.
For those interested in further studies -- I would suggest the following:
[/u]SECRET TEACHINGS OF ALL AGES. This by Manly P. Hall. For those in WICCAN Arts, they will also know the Gate/Watch Tower Keepers - the magic FOUR. The elementals can be harnessed for GOOD -- if used UNWISELY -- the dangers go back to the invoker THRICE!
For those who stab an ugly finger of "WITCH CRAFT!" -- Deeds of the Devil!! Take heed! Was it not the men of the past who chased the Devil by burning, torture, ransacking libraries, forced conversion, started wars .. in the NAME OF going AFTER the Devil. Those fools knew not the fact that they were being used by the very Devil ITSELF!!
If curious -- some of the BEST resources for this are very simply within our Native American Reservations. The vast culture of Aborginal literature is ripe with a harmonic balance between nature and humanity. God's (Great Spirit's) REAL Rhealm is the forests -- not a stuffy stone building of ritual recitation! Beyond - a Universe so vast, it takes a selfish fool to believe we know all the answers!!
For those of a more SERIOUS study -- I would suggest the KABBALAH.
Mermaids? They exist in our subconscience mind -- and when called (especially when we are distressed) the treasures that flow is more an awareness of the world around us ... filled with much more than simple materialistic ideals. We begin to have a very healthy respect for nature, the environment (NO! I am NOT one of those!!!!

), and we will even share more than a casual acquaintence with all that is around us!!
The world is far more than what we know!! Enjoy it before it gets any more complex!!!!
r.griffin
Dec 30 2003, 08:33 AM
// Sorry! No need for duplicity here!! //
Fairie
Dec 31 2003, 11:15 PM
There's one theory that Mermaids are like a subdivision of humanity. Apparantly the way that our air lays against our body is evidence that at some point in our evolution, as mammals, we lived in the water. Also, the reason we hiccup may be a trait picked up after we adapted to breathing without gills.
I honestly don't see why mermaids couldn't exist. Humans are always discovering new species and (apologies for playing the old record) two thirds of the world's surface is covered with water, so who knows what could be hiding in there.
One thing that really annoys me though, is the explanation that mermaid sightings are all manatees. For heaven's ake! Manatees look nothing like people at the top. You'd have to be completely blind and insane to mistake one for a mermaid!!
Fairie
r.griffin
Jan 1 2004, 07:15 AM
Ah yes!!! They do exist!! And far from the ugly creature that moves like dead weight through the currents!!
Those sweet songs of the night while at sea -- bring hauntings, a sailor lonely and missing love at home. She beckons with a soft song of temptation - the sirens of Sinbad! The hypnotic refrain tempts the unwary to the arms of the deep. Oh how I have also heard the sweet sounds of the wind through the sails - the wail of a woman in need. The strange and eerie glow that breaks just below the surface of the deep. A face appears, a specter of haunting beauty (but a beauty only in the mind) ... ever closer to the edge of the rail I have approached - only to awaken by the ship's bells!!!
The great Pacific is full of legends and actual recordings of creatures not too different than the classic illustrations (even the Dolphins and Porpoises play along side our ships) - but none can be mistaken for the beautiful creatures that during times past, caused many a sailing man to go mad.
Whether Elementals or actual creatures -- the very fact they exist in literature and vision gives cause for reason. Every year we find new enigmas that defy Orthodox Science - giving us lesson to defy "Rule of Thumb" education without objectivity!
You are very correct in that the world is vast with oceanic abundance -- the depths in some areas beyond the height of Everest. Within are creatures that (according to science) - should have been extinct. Mammals with a brain capacity that would rival genius stature of human (Dolphins) -- the great whales weep with caring and emotion for their offspring, as a human mother to her child. Do we actually have a right to declare our stature above these creatures as superior?
However -- mistaking a Manatee for a Mermaid is nothing but an insult - as one would compare a Hag from the Bowery to Miss Universe!!! One gaze upon the former creature would cause a man to cast up the grog and biscuits aforetaken!!! The latter would cause him such distress of temptation of heart and body -- he forgets it's a long way down to the ocean!! The soft cry, the esoteric beauty, the gesture of sensual temptation is all one can bear being at sea for so long!! But those will say --"AHA!!! ANYTHING goes through a man's mind that long away from "companionship"!! Maybe so -- but even the most seasoned sailors of the ancient days could not resist!! The sightings are numerous and well logged.
Lo to know!! They (Mermaids) have also been spotted at streams, isolated brooks near leas and meadows, and even small lakes. So they are not partial to the briny waters. Their counterparts are the Fairies who dance amongs the circled mushrooms (which I love to pick and use!!!).
I am an objective man ... but bear in mind I DO believe they are real. They are as real as anything envisioned within the inner mind. They are just as much a part of nature and creation as a simple stone -- each with its unique vibration that harmonizes with the entire planet (Gaia) -- yet the dregs of materiality clouds our inbred (natal) sensitivity to these vibrations. A child innocent of this materiality easily envisions these creatures; through life and exposure -- they are eventually lost. Some call it ESP .. others Remote Viewing or Psychic Sensitivity -- but a mind that is conditioned to Orthodox and logical Science will be conditioned to refute anything out of the "normal" range of comprehension and objective impression. Like Swamp Gas being the "knee jerk" explanation for a highly exposed and witnessed UFO sighting. The answer is ridiculous -- but there are NO LOGICAL ANSWERS TO EXPLAIN IT!
Night Ladies -- and the Best of 2004 to you all!!!
Pendekar Timur
Jan 1 2004, 11:10 AM
i dont know that mermaid you were talking about..
but i know this real one..
Click here buddies...and this one too..
...and click here too buddies......enjoy yourselves...
r.griffin
Jan 1 2004, 02:39 PM
Of course the Gorgon lives!! Demonic illusion adapts to mental impression so readily!! That very same "Mermaid" could look like a rival to Cleopatra in our MIND -- and the MIND is driven by what we see -- which IS illusion! It is the very epitome of the madness that overcomes us when we see the illusion and are forced to digest reality.
The elemental world adapts to the material - and is also reflected by it - as Hermes once stated: "As above, so below" -- the entire context of the MIDWAYER's World is a result of how we treat our own material world.
The illustration brought forth (above) - was this an EYEWITNESS account? The descriptions of Merpeople varies. But what one man looks at -- another may see as demonic .. becaue the "fixated" man is given the illusion of a maddening beauty. The Bedouin often spoke of the "voices of the desert" -- their very shrill wails would cause a man - alone in the elements - to go mad or insane to the point of total resignation. 40 Days and nights is more than enough for a man to cleanse his 'Demons' should he have to face them!
We must remember that Midwayers (the entities that are between the material and spiritual realm) are non-physical and rely upon illusion to manifest. As Demons (or whatever one would call them) manifest with utilizing a victim's fear, anger, loathing or even addiction and gathers strength upon it.
The elementals look deep into our mind and find either soothing memories of someone left behind -- or the terrible nightmare of a loss of a loved one -- or even our worse fears. The greater impression is manifested back. No malice may be attempted -- it is their gift and they give back what the mind (ours) gives them.
So when two sailors are out at sea -- one spots this "hauntingly beautiful" creature that beckons in the gentle waves of the brine, and calls to his shipmate to see. The other shipmate gazes upon this ugly specter that brings wretches from deep down his gut! Two views of the same manifestation -- the first sailor sees the image as a reflection of the loving woman left behind. The other sailor sees the image as the girl he WANTED to leave behind!!
There is a cartoon that many bar rooms have. When upright the picture gives illusion as a beautiful Princess like woman (with tiara) -- much like she would appear after a few drinks of grog. However -- when the picture is turned upside down - the illusion is of an Old Hag - after recovering from a routy night, and the resulting hangover gives a reality check! This is called Paradox -- and no different than two distinct impressions (polar opposites) of the same image or illusion.
The elementals, simply put -- appear MOST to us as how we would react in the extremes. Like Hermes indicated -- manifestations of material objects begin with an image, an idea .. a wish or dream -- a desire. The rest follows its logical course. The power of the mind is awsome -- yet can be abused/confused by simple illusion. Though real to us as we see it -- WHAT we see varies with our illusive impressions.
For more about the Midwayers -- check out the book: [B][I]URANTIA
['nuff said!] -- Happy New Year guys!!
Mutant Snake
Jan 1 2004, 02:43 PM
griffin is right there is no reason they couldnt be real. In fact it is true that they probably are real, just like nessie is probably real, just because we have no real evidence outside the logs of sailors, doesnt mean they arent real.
r.griffin
Jan 4 2004, 07:08 AM
I've often wondered about the Illusive dreams of a child .. my daughter, even -- when she was barely three and the impressions were astute! She often came to me with enthusiastic ramblings of the "Little People". Ah, how sweet the innocense of youth!!! MY MY -- I often said -- but NEVER had my doubts! For I have ALSO seen the wee people (when I was little) -- but grew into the pragmatic and "sane" world of Adulthood -- as we all do! The very magic of childhood -- away from the terrible torments of day to day life -- how we ALL (as adults) wish ourselves away from this!! But .... we cannot -- it is what we brought upon our very selves!
There was one night I remember very well ... we chatted (she was very advanced for her age) -- and then I tucked her in for the night .. my room was nearby (my wife, at that time, was away). Seems hours -- and all I could hear was her chatting away!! I was tempted to go investigate -- but kept well enough alone. It was NOT until the next morning when all of us were gathered and viewing old photos of departed relatives, that she was very excited -- and pointed out a picture, a photo of my LONG DEPARTED GRANDFATHER ( who happened to pass away in that very room she was in) -- when I was SEVEN!!!
It appears she was having a very jovial and friendly conversation with my long departed Grand Father. Much to say I wish I had the "magic" that was with her -- the ability to "see" things that we have long forgotten to see ... things NOT impossible to or for a child -- simplicity --- indeed it was magic (if you know what I mean).
To this day her psychic abilities have been long stifled by the day to day necessities of our material world.. sadly so! She is now a responsible Mom with a daughter of her own ... little Chelsea! As tradition would have it -- a child with STRONG Psychic ability .. but this time it is emphasized (save for the people who chastize her for falling victim to the "Devil"). RIGHT!!
I've often regretted those early mornings (I slept very rarely when I was little -- often read all night with a flashlight under the covers) - but school was waiting!Mom would ask me "what is wrong"? -- To me NOTHING was -- but little did I know that it was "NOT NORMAL" to hear voices and see little people -- no matter how strong the visions were -- and the reality I had then as a child! Soon another "reality" stepped in .. rather coarsely I might add!! Adulthood -- and all those day to day responsibilitie that took me away from my "friends" (my "little" friends).... FOREVER!
NEVER rob a child of those very delicate visions of security and ... yes what we would call fantasy. But to them it is a magical world of beauty, peace and REALITY! Lord knows I have been there - and long for the peace and magic of my little friends. To me it is a long story -- not worth even getting into now - for the "REAL" world exists and I must address it. But for a child -- NEVER take that away from them -- those "Little People" are the very angels that guard our precious ones .. and even carry them (in dreams) often to worlds and fantasies so beautiful -- only the shed tears could reveal the depth.
If your son or daughter approaches you with this -- DO NOT shirk them away -- for it is a magic that only us adults could grasp in the presence of that child .. a world and sense of peace we long for .. but in our own fast paced world -- let slip away.
YES! My friends!! Mermaids DO EXIST!!! I am NOT gonna shy away and say I never saw them as a child -- I did ... but now I can say -- it is OK .... I no longer fear -- what reality does to those who have seen them@! To be a child - and experience the innocense and beauty of a world NOT TAINTED with our mistakes -- our misplaced passions and deeds .. THAT world is the very world we seek ... but tossed aside for the values we struggle for .. it is our own sense of warped reality. To be a child again -- even but for a fortenight!!! OH YES!! I also miss my little friends!!! I miss them dearly!!
But you can always see them once agan in the eyes of a child!!!
Good night my friends!!! (and for you on the other side of the Atlantic -- GOOD MORNING!!!)
bathory
Jan 4 2004, 10:09 AM
/me looks for proof
/me can't find any:(
Mutant Snake
Jan 4 2004, 02:06 PM
As i have said before, we need no proof. I unfortunately never had the gift of seeing little people, whether i just couldnt or they were never there i shall never know.
r.griffin
Jan 4 2004, 03:01 PM
Bathory!! Ave Gratus!!! I understand where you are at!! I also seek proof of those things that stare me in the face every time I try to use LOGIC to deal with things I cannot explain!! From UFO's to Big Foot -- et al ... I try!! But no matter how hard I try to be a pragmatist -- all the answers do not "fit". That is "fit" into the nice and neat mold of conventional wisdom!! I have grown very weary of struggling to have everything "explained" to a point of day to day logic.
We are told that SLAVES built the Great Pyramid over a period of three generations .. now we find out that there were NO SLAVES -- but work gangs well fed and well equipped with Medical assistance!! (Blue Cross for Stone Masons!!) -- and Troy was once MYTH -- yet the ruins were found EXACTLY where they should be. Atlantis - people have it all over the world - in places even so ridiculous, but what IF the two mile thick blanket of ice over Antarctica is melted? What WILL we find there. Yes -- special satellites detected structures -- some massive under the ice. What then? No history! Therefore it does NOT exist!!
If Noah's Ark is finally found -- but on a different mountain (Mount Nissar) -- will the zealots blow it up because it does NOT correspond to the Bible? We know the answer to that (what happened to the Mayas!).
We were told that cataclysms DO NOT happen -- yet we saw a comet slam into Jupiter years ago -- causing a lot of chaos!! It can happen here. But Proof?? Ah yes!! Let's dig a little further and NOT REFUSE that what we uncover from thousands of years of silt and sand -- something existed FAR MORE advanced than we could ever comprehend. PROOF? Much of the time it is right there in front of us -- we only have to open up our eyes and take it for what the values tell us!!
If one can still have serious doubt about what is in front of them -- they only need to take a trip to Baalbek Lebanon. Gather in front of you huge cyclopian blocks of stone larger than any Deisel Locomotive -- perfectly cut and "ready" -- ready for what. A few miles away is a temple with several other "impossible" stones neatly in place. Neanderthals with lunch pails punching a stone age time clock!? Right! Take a look!:
http://www.bearfabrique.org/Baalbek/Baalbek.htmlSo HOW were they gonna move it .. and to where? IT IS THERE RIGHT UP FRONT .. or as science would say -- NATURAL EROSIVE RESULTS!
Neil Armstrong walked on the moon! Do we need proof of this or do we accept NASA's feed on the videos? Mars probes disappearing and failing - almost to every one. WHY? Like I once said -- I would also get angry if someone was peering into my bedroom window!! (Hint -- Mars WAS ONCE inhabited until something glanced off its atmosphere - and caused a global cataclysm -- the very same one that wiped out our dinosaurs 65 Million years ago. Proof? They have it!!!)
Mermaids? One MUST become as a child once again .... the very secrets have always been with us from day one ... we just have to understand that ALL AROUND US is also illusion -- we seem to see ONLY what we are "conditioned" to see - even if we say objectively!
I, for one grow very weary of the usual "spoon fed" answers to those very questions that anger our lofty Academian "Professionals" -- many who do not even know how to check oil on the dip stick of their cars!!! Need I say more?!
==== Yes -- it is there in front of us -- we just have to take off our "blinders" and see what was there all along!!
Mutant Snake
Jan 4 2004, 09:24 PM
I for one dont need proof to believe in many of these things, as anything is possible in this multiverse of ours, that's right i said multiverse. I belive in it.
Firebolt
Jan 4 2004, 10:42 PM
This is how i look at it.. just like the lost city of Atlantis (which i believe in aswell), we will never find mermaids, just see glimps of their tails or what such.. but we will never truly see one up close.
Beth Ro
PoisonedEternity
Jan 4 2004, 10:44 PM
I believe in a lot of things there may not be significant proof for, besides sightings. Vampires, ghosts, mermaids,etc.
All I see it as, is there are many many deep oceans, and we have not traveled every inch of them. We do not know what waits for us there. Atlantis, i hope.
Since we have not traveled every inch of the sea, there are conclusions to be drawn. Not much else. Even if we do dive down, the chances of finding a mer-person is very rare, just for the fact that , they could be hiding? We can't be everywhere at once.
Well, that's enough of me.
PoisonedEternity
Jan 4 2004, 10:46 PM
Yeah, I believe Atlantis exists, in its entirety, not on this planet. Or yes, on this planet, but on a different plane of existence....and we cannot see it......at least, not yet.
Mutant Snake
Jan 4 2004, 11:54 PM
Well then,if your right, i better stop looking for it.
bathory
Jan 5 2004, 04:45 AM
there is a difference between saying, its possible but we don't have any evidence whatsoever, and saying, its true we don't need evidence.
If i were to claim that there is a ten foot tall eggplant sitting on my toilet reading the newspaper and mumbling to itself in pig latin, would you believe me?
One then must also consider where the evidence is coming from, if you were to claim that the moon is too far away for us to reach therefore we couldn't have landed on the moon (without offering any evidence) and NASA was to refute your claim, i would be more inclined to believe NASA simply because they offer evidence and are experts in that field.
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| We are told that SLAVES built the Great Pyramid over a period of three generations .. now we find out that there were NO SLAVES -- but work gangs well fed and well equipped with Medical assistance!! (Blue Cross for Stone Masons!!) -- and Troy was once MYTH -- yet the ruins were found EXACTLY where they should be. Atlantis - people have it all over the world - in places even so ridiculous, but what IF the two mile thick blanket of ice over Antarctica is melted? What WILL we find there. Yes -- special satellites detected structures -- some massive under the ice. What then? No history! Therefore it does NOT exist!! |
just because history may be incorrect does not mean that what you believe in actual exists/existed. What if? What if Antlantis doesn't exist? What if Atlantis was a colony of super intelligent ants? We can ask what ifs for a very long time, it still doesn't make anything any more credible. (I'm not saying Antlantis doesn't exist, but then again, i'm not saying it does:) noone knows for sure)
special satellites detecting structures under ice? can you source that? it sounds kind of far fetched to me...
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| Mars probes disappearing and failing - almost to every one. WHY? Like I once said -- I would also get angry if someone was peering into my bedroom window!! (Hint -- Mars WAS ONCE inhabited until something glanced off its atmosphere - and caused a global cataclysm -- the very same one that wiped out our dinosaurs 65 Million years ago. Proof? They have it!!!) |
care to show that proof? all i see is a non sequitor, mars probes didn't survive the landing on Mars, therefor aliens live on mars.
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| I, for one grow very weary of the usual "spoon fed" answers to those very questions that anger our lofty Academian "Professionals" -- many who do not even know how to check oil on the dip stick of their cars!!! Need I say more?! |
so what you are saying is that my local mechanic is more qualified to tell me the inner workings of the universe than say Hawkings? Need i say more?!
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| Mermaids? One MUST become as a child once again .... the very secrets have always been with us from day one ... we just have to understand that ALL AROUND US is also illusion -- we seem to see ONLY what we are "conditioned" to see - even if we say objectively! |
all i see is statements with 0 evidence, the giant eggplant is now off the toilet and watching tv.
r.griffin
Jan 5 2004, 08:34 AM
Hope my intent was not misunderstood - I try to remain objective with a "wait and see" attitude. However -- I have been very distressed with some of the Academia (some of which I personnaly know) who dabble with radical causes far from curriculae.
I also have the deepest respect for Steven Hawkings -- a brilliant mind at that.
NASA has been known to HIDE certain elements of discoveries specifically since the 1960's (I will explain HOW I KNOW at a latter posating). The Face on Mars, for example! Natural or Man Made? We see it .. its actual structure closer to symetrical. I shall provide the actual NASA reports and photographs -- some of them only recently disclosed (FOIA), at a latter posting. I respect their reasons for non-disclosure because WHAT IF ... that magical word that brings back reminders of Orsen's 'War of the Worlds' broadcast in the 1930's.
I will even list all the probes LOST - some even before they got to Mars -- others shut off (without known cause) -- and yet one -- the VERY LAST PHOTO taken from a Russian probe before it was hit ... This photo (taken just beyond the orbit of Phobos) shows an object rapidly approaching the probe - a split second BEFORE all contact was lost. There was also another object in that photo (which WAS released last year) -- details I will get. The VERY LOUD cheer heard from NASA's Techs and Staff (at todays news conference) was a sigh of relief for good reason. OK -- lets see if they release ALL of the photos (unlike another -- Global Surveyor -- which holds ALL photos for six months and releases only a select few. They are numbered and referenced.
There are many other things I could go into. I may as well disclose I was very close to some NASA Technicians and had the above TS clearance that went with my Active Duty status at the NSA (Fort Meade, Maryland). I had also worked at Goddard in Greebelt (the area was highly classified -- and hanging in the room were pictures NOT released to the public -- and never will be).
IF WE DID go to the moon (and safely back) -- why are we not colonizing the moon -- why have we not gone back? Budget? Congress? Who knows!!
I usually do not mention anything UNLESS I have the backing -- this deems no exception!! However -- my respect for your very healthy retort!!! Have a good day and take that Egg Plant out for a walk!!!!
bathory
Jan 5 2004, 10:50 AM
well the mars face is nothing more than a simulacrum, when viewed in different light, it appears nothing like a face.
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| IF WE DID go to the moon (and safely back) -- why are we not colonizing the moon -- why have we not gone back? Budget? Congress? Who knows!! |
what purpose would colonising the moon serve?
there is nothing there to justify the costs
Engulf
Jan 5 2004, 11:24 AM
Actually it would be a great achievement to be colonising the moon,but I guess I'd have to agree with bathory for now.There's just not much to do,moreover it you must bear this in mind.Going to the moon is already enough troublesome,think about putting lots of human beings right there.Like how are you gonna recharge the oxygen tank up there?!?What,by sending a probe carrying those tanks up there everyday????No.1,money wasting,No.2,uncontrollable pollution.And this is just one of the many high risks you'd have to be taking in order to colonize that place.Unless of course if you're a conspiracy fanatic,then maybe you'd think the Moon would serve as a perfect base for both Martians & Terrans.

I think colonising the Moon would be the next step for us,not right now but certainly in the future.
And yes,bathory is right about the Mars face event griffin.It's caused by the lighting,the shape of that particular mountain,& some great alignment of shadows.The camera just went to the 'perfect' area and snapped it.But I'm not ruling out anything here,there are other intriguing stuff (Cydonia anomalies,alledged crashed craft) about Mars too.
r.griffin
Jan 5 2004, 12:43 PM
IF we still negate the possibilities of MINING OPERATIONS on Luna .. then where are we at? Had Christopher Columbus NOT resolved the impossibilities of a dark and terrible ocean to cross -- where would we be?
Look a little CLOSER at Cydonia .. and with an INDEPENDENT analysis of the photos (NOT the ones .. "image enhanced") then I would be sure to say the ANGLES OF THE RUINS are far too coincidental .. but again -- who are we to say this Planet (EARTH) is host to the Universe -- and there NEVER WAS life elsewhere!! Shadows of similarity to the Aboriginies when they first caught a glimpse of a simple Cessna aircraft for the first time! Or a small pocket mirror given by the local Missionarys.
NOT RELEASED, My Friends - are countless other images that defy explanation. So we sit tight and await the detailed "releases". I reserve my judgement and would rather continue the "wait and see" attitude I stick with.
Suggestion! Read 'Extraterrestrial Archeology' by David Hatcher Childress (sound familiar?) -- and go to the images posted in that book:
References: NASA Photo 16-19238 (Apollo 16)
NASA Photo Viking Frame 35A72 (Pyramids? Geometry seems symetrical)
NASA Photo (blown enhanced) 75-H-604 (Mariner 9)
Soviet March 23 1989 Photo (taken BY THE PROBE) of HUGE Cigar shaped object taken near Phobos - JUST BEFORE their probe (CCCP) -- CEASED to function.
OK -- lens refraction, optical illusion -- fakes -- whatever -- the FACT remains that each time strange things were seen -- seconds later the probes (and NOT just from the United States) -- ceased to function.
Don't get me wrong guys! I do not totally accept the probability of artificiality of these structures -- nor do I also accept a "natural" accident. In either case ... we must -- as I said before -- accept an objective stature.
For all I know maybe some RICH INDUSTRIALIST organized expeditions to Mars long back into the 60's. Remember the movie "Contact"? But that is also far-feteched as well! Or is it?
Yet again -- I also saw a rubber tree prancing down this little country road -- but damned if I could articulate on WHERE IT WENT (with this whole thing!!).
One question, however! WHY MARS? Why this sudden interest when we supposedly have such a lack of funds for even going to the moon? More practical .. and yes a WEALTH of mining treasures. The Moon -- we were there before -- why not again? I ask that question again. It COSTS MORE to go to Mars -- in more ways than economic terms.
Back during the Cold War -- that country that controlled expeditions to the moon might as well have placed a Sword of Damoclese above this world!! It WAS almost the Soviets. But our Technology surpassed them .. yet TODAY we have to ask the Russians for help because of our OWN flawed Space Programs!!! Ironic??? NO --- I will NOT even get into the reasons!
I'm weary, guys!! Much food for thought here -- but there is another day. Have a good one, Guys ....
Engulf
Jan 5 2004, 03:27 PM
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| One question, however! WHY MARS? Why this sudden interest when we supposedly have such a lack of funds for even going to the moon? More practical .. and yes a WEALTH of mining treasures. The Moon -- we were there before -- why not again? I ask that question again. It COSTS MORE to go to Mars -- in more ways than economic terms. |
Probably because Mars holds the big possibility of the existence of life-forms??Or could it well be mankind's next destination?Mars is basically more interesting than the ol' Moon

.Still I'm not ruling out on the alledged US-Soviet Mars landings during the 1960-s,just baffling.
PS: Griffin,why not start a new thread about this in the respective board??We're kinda off-topic here

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man_in_mudboots
Jan 5 2004, 03:48 PM
no, but i think the water cryptids are more likely to exist than most land dwelling ones. mermaids may be only a vaguely human looking fish, a human with gills, or
non existant. wiht water cryptids, alot of things are possible.
Loque
Jan 5 2004, 03:51 PM
Its a very bad idea colonizing the moon, its got a great big fracture running through it when an big meteor it it y0onks ago, if it gets hit with another decent sized one again there is a good chance that there will be bits of lunar rock all over the place. i'll try to dig up a link on the scientific thingymabob that i heared it from.
any wat back to the thread, mermaids possibly yes
half human nope
they will prolly look like a wierd alien seal or somthing.
r.griffin
Jan 5 2004, 04:05 PM
You are so right, engulf -- time to move to the appropriate thread!!! Sometimes the old "gets carried away" gets carried away and off subject. Mars IS a far cry from Mermaids!!! Thanks for the PROMPT!!!
Mutant Snake
Jan 5 2004, 10:03 PM
But wut if there r mermaid type creatures on mars, in rivers beneath the surface.
shirini
Jan 5 2004, 10:13 PM
Ok so this is far fetch but just listen or Read!
Humans and life on earth is so fanatic, that not even we have a very good grasp on it. Couldn’t be possible that there are other things out there we can’t explain or ever come into contact with! It’s the tree in the forest, just cause you didn’t hear fall doesn’t mean it didn’t!
And Bathory, if you told me about the eggplant, I would tell you crazy and or chemically altered, but I would never doubt that you didn’t. I have read your post, and your seem like logical and rational person, and I have no reason not to believe you, unless of course you make a habit of it!
Mutant Snake
Jan 5 2004, 11:55 PM
He could make a habit out of it if it was all true.
shirini
Jan 6 2004, 12:11 AM
i don't know you, if someone constanily has drama in their life and is not afrid to tell you, after a while would you get spucpious ? I not talking about the same phomonma but like let say for example someone were to declare they were the monthman and then cliam they cause crop circle

or maybe say a certain profit was a mer creature or cattle having pyschic abality and ect.
see a logical person in my opion would say these thing outloud to themselves first realized how stpuid it sounds and just keep it to themselves. but come on if you are contastionly make riducles remarks, it's like crying wolf, after a while no one will believe you, even if it's true.
i just saying life is not quite as drmatic as you think it is!
r.griffin
Jan 6 2004, 03:00 AM
To wit .. a man can appreciate those simple things of life many take for granted. Many mysterious things in life he addresses with a positive frame of mind. A little less than two years ago I was involved in an almost FATAL car accident. Since recovery my sense of awareness has been increased .. but with gentle concern and resolve! Questions asked -- answers made to the best of one's abilities. But MOST were with a sense of appreciation for life. The fragrance of a rose, song of the birds -- those very things one takes for granted on that fast lane of life.
When concerns appear -- they are addressed with the best of one's wits. Logic may be a friend and also an enemy at times -- judgement is based on life's experience. I shed no tear for those who lost their way on that very path of life -- and learned nothing from the lessons given. Yet I also understand we live in a large world (small to those with nowhere to hide) -- focussed on sheer logic and a hope that illusions will go away and nightmares will fade with the morning sun.
Nay to one who says a boy who cried wolf all too many times -- just a pleasant sharing of the experiences along the wayside of life. A little humour diced within the refrains of day to day frustrations -- wit to tease -- and some facts that may hurt (when they can be produced). All in all .. I came to this site with a sense of sharing -- and that is how I will further treat my contributions to this Forum of expression. I make NO MALICE to any .. and accept word and wit as readily as I would any friend or pleasant foe of debate.
I bid my friends a pleasant good evening (and good morning across the Atlantic!!) -- and to those of 'Down Under' (Alice Springs!) -- ROO WAY! Wess!!
Good Night people.
Mutant Snake
Jan 10 2004, 03:53 PM
I would share it if i had any experiences like that.
LittleIrishVampiress
Jan 11 2004, 06:09 PM
oh, how you delight me!

what wonderous minds you all possess!!! r. griffin and poisoned eternity, you please me most

you have helped to encourage my own beliefs in the so-called impossible! i have enjoyed this tremendously
i love you all

embrace your beliefs and stay true to yourselves
lots o' love
katie
Peter_Pan_is_real
Jan 25 2004, 09:55 PM
if mermaids are real they would have to live in the deep ocean otherwise we would have found something by now. But if that's the case then they wouldn't be what we have always pictured a mermaid to look like. It won't be Ariel. It will be really ugly because most animals that live that deep in the ocean are (let's face it) not very attractive.
buggyelfmaiden
Jan 26 2004, 07:53 AM
I'm one of those Believe until Science can prove it impossible types...
But how much of our planet is covered in water?
And how much of it has been explored? Who's to say there aren't merfolk under the waves wondering what it's like up here.
They're prolly planning an attack sometime because of all the junk we throw into their domain...
Now how would you fight mer people? I think we're gonna need a big pot... some seasonings... and hm..... fishy stew anyone?
ambyglam
Jan 26 2004, 03:48 PM
yes i do!
girlwithacut
Jan 29 2004, 06:56 PM
If you believe in mermaids, check this website out and read the whole thing.
WesiteI don't really know...
r.griffin
Jan 30 2004, 07:56 PM
[Sigh!] In my absence and travels -- now I take time to "update" from gathering "INBOX" mail.
The magic of life is to believe as we wish without harm or intent to others! As a child we believed until that was taken from us by "logic" and three dimensional (albeit - linear) thinking!
As the man once stated upon seeing a rubber tree talking a stroll, so we also see Pie Pans sailing in the air -- Flying Pigs and other things not "normal" to us "logical" people! A Little Man dressed in red raising Hell with certain people, and --- above all else: An enthroned, cranky anthropomorphic Lord God raising HELL with the remaining population .. what IS there to believe?
Illusion is what the brain teases us with. We profess we KNOW what is ahead of us .. but what IF the vision is distorted by alternative vibration?
To myself, I am wearing a blue shirt -- but if SIX people told me that I was wearing a RED shirt -- who would I believe? The majority? Or my own eyes? Eventually self doubt will overcome me and I will submit to the majority!
To a SAILOR left at sea for more than a month and fortenight -- even SEAWEED floating past the Gunwale could provide visions of "hot Racking" with that woman we left behind! On the other hand -- people who are SEASONED and objective have seen creatures that fall far beyond the normal zoological confines of Orthodox science. Many so-called EXTINCT species of sea life appear to fall into fisherman's nets world wide -- and now they have also found ...... well what does it matter! The world is big -- the oceans remain mainly unexplored and underneath any rock one will find treasures undefined ... or things that will cause us to put that rock back and forget what we saw ("It's NOT LOGICAL!!").
To think of those so cherished in finding Noah's Ark - having discovered that it was found on Mount Nissar and NOT Ararat -- or even one found in the Andes of recent (explaining why many species of animals are UNIQUE to certain continents) -- would they not go about and destroy what there is because it was NOT CONSISTANT with Biblical Scripture? OR -- accept that there is far more to the past and nature than we are qualified to understand and take subject to!?
OUR OWN REACTION plays a big role in how we deal with those things "not normal" -- to be objective, weigh all possible facts (like a true scientist) - yet have all avenues of acceptance open -- and NOT be fooled by crank ideas, hucksters, pranksters, hoaksters, and the like -- and sift through all that chaff and see what things really are to us.
As a Worlock -- I KNOW of the essence of the elementals -- the four -- and one of the four reside in the water environment. To those outside the realm -- your own judgement is sufficient -- mine remains from my own exposure to the world many have not seen and dealt with.
man_in_mudboots
Jan 30 2004, 08:07 PM
| QUOTE (shirini @ Jan 5 2004, 11:11 PM) |
but come on, if you are constantly making ridiculous remarks, it's like crying wolf, after a while no one will believe you, even if it's true.
|
thats supposing any one believe you in the first place....
Duofrost
Jan 30 2004, 08:49 PM
Thats a negative on the mermaid front dont think they ever existed
man_in_mudboots
Jan 30 2004, 10:59 PM
| QUOTE (Duofrost @ Jan 30 2004, 07:49 PM) |
| Thats a negative on the mermaid front. I dont think they ever existed. |
a sensible person yet.....
Duofrost
Jan 31 2004, 09:05 AM
| QUOTE (man_in_mudboots @ Jan 30 2004, 09:59 PM) |
a sensible person yet..... |
yet.... what
man_in_mudboots
Jan 31 2004, 04:10 PM
| QUOTE (Duofrost @ Jan 31 2004, 08:05 AM) |
| QUOTE (man_in_mudboots @ Jan 30 2004, 09:59 PM) | a sensible person yet..... |
yet.... what
|
yet, as in the "first sensible person that has posted in this topic yet"
Cloud Strife
Jan 31 2004, 05:10 PM
Do I believe in mermaids?
Eh..weird question. Or do they exist?
Or has someone been watching The Little Mermaid too much (

)
Just kidding..
Seriously, why'd you think they exist?
Firebolt
Jan 31 2004, 06:12 PM
Why you ask, i believe they exist. I feel they exisit for the main purpose of the oceans are so deep. We don't know what is all down there at the mier bottom of the deepest ocean. There could be more than just ugly fish.. you never know.
Anything is Possible...
Beth Ro
Cloud Strife
Jan 31 2004, 06:19 PM
I guess they could exist..
It's just one of those things people tend to not believe in..
Since we really only know mermaids in fictional stuff..
But still, who knows what's out there?
I like to think in that way..
Just imagine some of the things that we could find out about if we were more open-minded..
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