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xXkyo_rejectXx
heres what i came up with

area 51 is really what is seems to be a aircraft test site but... since rosswell they have been dissecting alien space ships ect and taking them and turning them into military aircrafts well thats what i believe and any opinion would be great

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the government plays a major role in this the military $wanted better aircrafts weapons ect and aliens want software being humans which in case means us humans doesn't that explain abductions?
Genocyde
QUOTE(xXkyo_rejectXx @ Aug 29 2007, 05:25 AM) *
heres what i came up with

area 51 is really what is seems to be a aircraft test site but... since rosswell they have been dissecting alien space ships ect and taking them and turning them into military aircrafts well thats what i believe and any opinion would be great

edit

the government plays a major role in this the military $wanted better aircrafts weapons ect and aliens want software being humans which in case means us humans doesn't that explain abductions?

Aliens want software?
Alex01
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area 51 is really what is seems to be a aircraft test site but... since rosswell they have been dissecting alien space ships ect and taking them and turning them into military aircrafts well thats what i believe and any opinion would be great


Wrong..... since rosswell people have suspected area 51 of being an alien depot and where the rosswell rests are being kept. Of course area 51 has never said anything about the two, and hasn't mentioned it in any way and of course they haven't shown any sings of it either.

Area 51 is suspected by the public, without confident raw proof but it is sadly.

My opinion.... the goverment is not talking and will never talk about any aliens or rosswell at area 51, why? They are letting the public distract themselves with such nonesense ( created by the public itself) to hide what they are really doing in there.

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the government plays a major role in this the military $wanted better aircrafts weapons ect and aliens want software being humans which in case means us humans doesn't that explain abductions?


This part made no sense.

rassy
I really don't think there's anything of real interest going on around Area 51. At least not nowadays anymore. I'm fairly sure that if anything is seen over there, it's pretty much a decoy. Do you honestly think that 'the powers that be' would still be doing anything there these days when almost everyone thinks there's something going on there? No, I would think that they would continue to let us think that there's something going on whilst they do whatever it is they do...elsewhere...where, of course, no one is really looking.
Jack Black
QUOTE(rassy @ Aug 29 2007, 11:00 AM) *
I really don't think there's anything of real interest going on around Area 51. At least not nowadays anymore. I'm fairly sure that if anything is seen over there, it's pretty much a decoy. Do you honestly think that 'the powers that be' would still be doing anything there these days when almost everyone thinks there's something going on there? No, I would think that they would continue to let us think that there's something going on whilst they do whatever it is they do...elsewhere...where, of course, no one is really looking.


Agreed!
Emma_Acid
Area 51 has been, and is currently, a miltary testing ground.

According to wiki

QUOTE
Aircraft that have been tested at Groom include the Northrop Tacit Blue stealth demonstrator, various classified UAVs, and a stealthy cruise missile (most likely the AGM-129 Advanced Cruise Missile). Other rumored Groom test programs include a small stealthy VTOL troop-transport aircraft, the rumored Aurora hypersonic spy plane, a "Stealth Blimp", a secret USAF spaceplane codenamed Blackstar, and replacements for the SR-71 and F-117A.


The idea that they're reverse engineering space craft and adding that technology to ours is nothing new. It was in X Files, and Independence Day. And has no basis in reality.
When Black Roses Bloom
QUOTE(rassy @ Aug 29 2007, 01:00 PM) *
I really don't think there's anything of real interest going on around Area 51. At least not nowadays anymore. I'm fairly sure that if anything is seen over there, it's pretty much a decoy. Do you honestly think that 'the powers that be' would still be doing anything there these days when almost everyone thinks there's something going on there? No, I would think that they would continue to let us think that there's something going on whilst they do whatever it is they do...elsewhere...where, of course, no one is really looking.



Perhaps underground?

Also, check out at Google Earth, even on the 2004 SAT stills, you can see the Area 51 airfield that doesen't look so abandoned at all...
ships-cat
QUOTE(When Black Roses Bloom @ Aug 29 2007, 11:47 AM) *
Perhaps underground?

Also, check out at Google Earth, even on the 2004 SAT stills, you can see the Area 51 airfield that doesen't look so abandoned at all...


I don't think anyone has suggested that the facility is abandoned.

As for reverse-engineering an alien spacecraft; if they ARE doing this, then they are not very good at it.
After 50 years or so, we havn't seen any sign of quantum-leaps in US aircraft or weapons systems design. (or propulsion, or - indeed - spacecraft design).

Meow Purr.
When Black Roses Bloom
QUOTE(ships-cat @ Aug 29 2007, 01:59 PM) *
I don't think anyone has suggested that the facility is abandoned.

As for reverse-engineering an alien spacecraft; if they ARE doing this, then they are not very good at it.
After 50 years or so, we havn't seen any sign of quantum-leaps in US aircraft or weapons systems design. (or propulsion, or - indeed - spacecraft design).

Meow Purr.


Well, we've seen this leap forward at the mid 50's when we had the semiconductors and the new micro and later nano technology in electronics. My father is an Industrial Electronics Engineer, and since 1975 repairs televisions and entertainment home apliances (VCR/DVD etc). He told me, while we were watching one of those Roswell footages, that the technological leap was enormous, in just a few years, from vacum tubes to silicon semiconductors and CPUs in general. Perhaps more sophisticated technology (like perhaps magnetic/and-or gravitic propulsion) is much more difficult to be fathomed. Latley I've read from a sience illustrated magazine about a new silicon solvent that is heat/pressure resistant. They aplyed it over a wax crayon and puted the crayon over a heat source (I think was a map-gas tube) and the crayon stayed unmelted. Perhaps some achivements could not be get in commercial production for some years.
DigitalSentinal
I would believe you cracked Roswell if you at least spelled it right.
Creepy_Steve
QUOTE(xXkyo_rejectXx @ Aug 29 2007, 09:25 AM) *
heres what i came up with

area 51 is really what is seems to be a aircraft test site but... since rosswell they have been dissecting alien space ships ect and taking them and turning them into military aircrafts well thats what i believe and any opinion would be great

edit

the government plays a major role in this the military $wanted better aircrafts weapons ect and aliens want software being humans which in case means us humans doesn't that explain abductions?



Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is probally the main theory behind Area 51.
So it has allready been "cracked". wink2.gif

Did you se the whole Alien interview at Area 51 program?
It sounds like you did, because it says the same thing you just did. (The Aliens wanting software, meaning human DNA/tissue)

Alien interview Area 51 piece part 1

It's, I believe, 7 parts.
Raptor
QUOTE(xXkyo_rejectXx @ Aug 29 2007, 10:25 AM) *
heres what i came up with

area 51 is really what is seems to be a aircraft test site but... since rosswell they have been dissecting alien space ships ect and taking them and turning them into military aircrafts well thats what i believe and any opinion would be great

edit

the government plays a major role in this the military $wanted better aircrafts weapons ect and aliens want software being humans which in case means us humans doesn't that explain abductions?


No.
Feanor
QUOTE(xXkyo_rejectXx @ Aug 29 2007, 06:25 AM) *
heres what i came up with

area 51 is really what is seems to be a aircraft test site but... since rosswell they have been dissecting alien space ships ect and taking them and turning them into military aircrafts well thats what i believe and any opinion would be great

edit

the government plays a major role in this the military $wanted better aircrafts weapons ect and aliens want software being humans which in case means us humans doesn't that explain abductions?


Huh? I thought you were going to give us a better insight on Area 51. This theory of yours is older than my grandpa!
Emma_Acid
QUOTE(When Black Roses Bloom @ Aug 29 2007, 12:30 PM) *
Well, we've seen this leap forward at the mid 50's when we had the semiconductors and the new micro and later nano technology in electronics. My father is an Industrial Electronics Engineer, and since 1975 repairs televisions and entertainment home apliances (VCR/DVD etc). He told me, while we were watching one of those Roswell footages, that the technological leap was enormous, in just a few years, from vacum tubes to silicon semiconductors and CPUs in general. Perhaps more sophisticated technology (like perhaps magnetic/and-or gravitic propulsion) is much more difficult to be fathomed. Latley I've read from a sience illustrated magazine about a new silicon solvent that is heat/pressure resistant. They aplyed it over a wax crayon and puted the crayon over a heat source (I think was a map-gas tube) and the crayon stayed unmelted. Perhaps some achivements could not be get in commercial production for some years.


No, scientific advances are just that - advances. There is no problem whatsoever with us getting the stage we're at without alien technology, its the result of mushrooming - any advance will lead to several others, meaning the rate of discovery increases, rather than continues in a linear fashion.
ships-cat
QUOTE(When Black Roses Bloom @ Aug 29 2007, 12:30 PM) *
Well, we've seen this leap forward at the mid 50's when we had the semiconductors and the new micro and later nano technology in electronics. My father is an Industrial Electronics Engineer, and since 1975 repairs televisions and entertainment home apliances (VCR/DVD etc). He told me, while we were watching one of those Roswell footages, that the technological leap was enormous, in just a few years, from vacum tubes to silicon semiconductors and CPUs in general. Perhaps more sophisticated technology (like perhaps magnetic/and-or gravitic propulsion) is much more difficult to be fathomed. Latley I've read from a sience illustrated magazine about a new silicon solvent that is heat/pressure resistant. They aplyed it over a wax crayon and puted the crayon over a heat source (I think was a map-gas tube) and the crayon stayed unmelted. Perhaps some achivements could not be get in commercial production for some years.


Weeeell... not really. The theory of semiconductors was proposed before WW2. The first crude (by todays standards) transistors where produced in the early 1950's, and graducally refined. Then came the idea of putting several transistors onto a germanium (later Silicon) wafer, and the first silicon chips where produced (which where simple logic gates). As we moved from the 1970's to the 1980's improved manufacturing techniques allowed more and more transistors to be crammed into the wafer, and the simple logic chips grew into the first microprocessor chips, and more general applications such as analog amplifiers.

Moving into the 90's, and - again - improved manufacturing techniques increased the transistor density again, allowing the Large-Scale and Very-Large-Scale integration that features in the current generation of microprocessor chips. And many of the industrial improvements where NOT American, but Japanese and Korean.

It was a smooth evolution all the way, with non of the 'abrupt' or 'unexpected' leaps you would expect from a 'pillaged' advanced technology such as a UFO or whatever.

You mentioned the silicon solvent... well... there has been a big fuss recently about 'frozen smoke', which also has remarkable insulation properties. Now THAT looks like something out of a sci-fi film. However, it was first made in the 1930's !

Meow Purr
Agent. Mulder
QUOTE(Emma_Acid_88 @ Aug 29 2007, 10:12 AM) *
Area 51 has been, and is currently, a miltary testing ground.

According to wiki
The idea that they're reverse engineering space craft and adding that technology to ours is nothing new. It was in X Files, and Independence Day. And has no basis in reality.


well it does have a basis in reality according to the interviews from area 51 employees. when they black them out and change their voice. how credible are thoughs? who knows. some seem legit.
and yes it is a military testing ground. but for what Exaclty? people have claimed to see alot of weird lights out there at night in the sky. doing some strange manouvers
rapid7

QUOTE(Feanor @ Aug 29 2007, 01:49 PM) *
Huh? I thought you were going to give us a better insight on Area 51. This theory of yours is older than my grandpa!

laugh.gif cracked me up!
When Black Roses Bloom
QUOTE(ships-cat @ Aug 29 2007, 04:45 PM) *
Weeeell... not really. The theory of semiconductors was proposed before WW2. The first crude (by todays standards) transistors where produced in the early 1950's, and graducally refined. Then came the idea of putting several transistors onto a germanium (later Silicon) wafer, and the first silicon chips where produced (which where simple logic gates). As we moved from the 1970's to the 1980's improved manufacturing techniques allowed more and more transistors to be crammed into the wafer, and the simple logic chips grew into the first microprocessor chips, and more general applications such as analog amplifiers.

Moving into the 90's, and - again - improved manufacturing techniques increased the transistor density again, allowing the Large-Scale and Very-Large-Scale integration that features in the current generation of microprocessor chips. And many of the industrial improvements where NOT American, but Japanese and Korean.

It was a smooth evolution all the way, with non of the 'abrupt' or 'unexpected' leaps you would expect from a 'pillaged' advanced technology such as a UFO or whatever.

You mentioned the silicon solvent... well... there has been a big fuss recently about 'frozen smoke', which also has remarkable insulation properties. Now THAT looks like something out of a sci-fi film. However, it was first made in the 1930's !

Meow Purr



Anyway, I never understood why the aliens must have visited or shot down at Roswell. It could have happened anywhere. In Germany for instance. Or USSR. And after the end of WWII the technology was made available to the western nations as well.
Alex01
QUOTE(rapid7 @ Aug 29 2007, 07:48 PM) *
laugh.gif cracked me up!


LOL actually I thought he hacked the area 51 computer base and took all their database, or that he infiltrated the base and took valuable data. The deception came when I read the whole thread. alien.gif
rapid7

This crowd can be merciless...
747400
QUOTE(When Black Roses Bloom @ Aug 29 2007, 08:29 PM) *
Anyway, I never understood why the aliens must have visited or shot down at Roswell. It could have happened anywhere. In Germany for instance. Or USSR. And after the end of WWII the technology was made available to the western nations as well.

What I've always found interesting is that the 509th Bomb Wing moved into Roswell later in 1947... the only nuclear-capable unit in the Air Force at the time. Did "they" know about this, and were checking out the area, maybe with a view to setting up a base they could monitor things from nearby, I wonder ... ?

hmm.gif
Agent. Mulder
QUOTE(747400 @ Aug 29 2007, 08:13 PM) *
What I've always found interesting is that the 509th Bomb Wing moved into Roswell later in 1947... the only nuclear-capable unit in the Air Force at the time. Did "they" know about this, and were checking out the area, maybe with a view to setting up a base they could monitor things from nearby, I wonder ... ?

hmm.gif


alot of ufo reports seem to take place near nuclear facilities. they could possibly be checking things out, or what we're doing.
ships-cat
QUOTE(Agent. Mulder @ Aug 29 2007, 09:15 PM) *
alot of ufo reports seem to take place near nuclear facilities. they could possibly be checking things out, or what we're doing.


Or perhaps... they started off as innocent Weather Balloons, but the leaky nuclear facilities mutated them into UFO's ? tongue.gif

Meow Purr original.gif
zimbob
QUOTE(Alex01 @ Aug 29 2007, 08:59 PM) *
LOL actually I thought he hacked the area 51 computer base and took all their database, or that he infiltrated the base and took valuable data. The deception came when I read the whole thread. alien.gif


Yeah I thought some one had hacked a computer at area 51, Didn’t Gary McKinnon reckon he found out some juicy secrets when he hacked some "secret" computer/data base?

Area 51 is very top secret, they have hangars where aircraft can do engine runs under cover away from prying eyes (satellites), it has been suggested that the majority of Area 51 so called research is done in the hangars and under the ground for this reason, I have also heard that of recent in the neighbouring valley a new testing complex has been built and the exclusion zone has been increased even further, some things about area 51 do seem different from the norm, for example there is listening posts (posts with very sensitive microphones) dotted all over the area, most military bases have soldiers with guns and guard dogs but this lot have helicopters without any insignia and borders constantly patrolled by the old secret security guys in black trucks/RV's.

The Runway at Area 51 is so long that allot of people in the Aircraft industry have no idea of its application, one suggestion is the Aurora.

The people who work at Area 51 are hidden away and normally either flown in from a secret Military Terminal at LAX or bussed in while under guard, this type of treatment is normally reserved for VIP's or convicts but since they obviously wish to maintain secrets for there country its probably better for them and there families and the government if there identities are kept secret.

For me the thing that causes the most amount of doubt is the denial that anything alien happens there, ok I will take that answer as the truth but if nothing Alien happens at Area 51 then what does happen there? the lack of information or should I say the omission of information makes me feel that I am being lied to, I have a gut feeling that people are being dishonest in order to create confusion and miss-direct peoples attention.
zimbob
One thing I did forget to mention was that it has been suggested there are a good 30/40 Airfields and Military bases in and around this area to act as decoys or alternative locations for research.

I got a kicker for you, who said you have to build a UFO as a Disk....... would it not be easier to fool people if all your UFO's looked like F22's or F18's or maybe Boeing 747.
InHuman
Thanks for blowing my mind with your supreme insight and radicaly new theories.
Sc4v3ng3r
There should be somekind of a quality control for new threads.
keithisco
Wow!!! With such an astounding, "new" theory I just have to........... sleepy.gif
Agent. Mulder
QUOTE(Sc4v3ng3r @ Aug 30 2007, 03:08 AM) *
There should be somekind of a quality control for new threads.


NEVER!
bluelight
O.o

I was expecting something new in this thread by the TS. but I was obviously wrong. old news. old theory.

I guess they have moved the "wreak" away since Area 51 isn't quite a secret spot now. we know they are trying to do reversed tech with the wreak they have. (history has proven the weird "sudden leap" in technology)
outsider75
honestly I would theorize that most of Area 51 has been underground since the early advent of spy satellites. most new people who enter the field of UFOs sometimes here something different and don't know it has already been hashed. we were and are all still new to this so cut him a lil slack.
Moon Monkey
I just wanted to state my own amusement at this thread, how has this kept running I don't know but if we keep it alive a bit longer it may break the "most replies from completely rubbish OP" record.
When Black Roses Bloom
QUOTE(ships-cat @ Aug 29 2007, 11:49 PM) *
Or perhaps... they started off as innocent Weather Balloons, but the leaky nuclear facilities mutated them into UFO's ? tongue.gif

Meow Purr original.gif


I always imagined alien technology to have simmilar uses to our own (to a degree). Perhaps they have a way to read power source signals (as in nuklear energy perhaps)? If this is true, I don't want to know what they've seen at the Chernobyl accident...
keithisco
QUOTE(bluelight @ Aug 30 2007, 08:03 AM) *
O.o

I was expecting something new in this thread by the TS. but I was obviously wrong. old news. old theory.

I guess they have moved the "wreak" away since Area 51 isn't quite a secret spot now. we know they are trying to do reversed tech with the wreak they have. (history has proven the weird "sudden leap" in technology)

What "sudden leap"?. Never heard such unsubstiated nonsense in a very long time. The real leap in technology was the nuclear physics BEFORE the Roswell crash. w00t.gif
bluelight
QUOTE(keithisco @ Aug 30 2007, 10:57 PM) *
What "sudden leap"?. Never heard such unsubstiated nonsense in a very long time. The real leap in technology was the nuclear physics BEFORE the Roswell crash. w00t.gif

you are thinking too far. I was talking about household appliances sort like tongue.gif
Roj47
QUOTE(When Black Roses Bloom @ Aug 29 2007, 12:30 PM) *
Well, we've seen this leap forward at the mid 50's when we had the semiconductors and the new micro and later nano technology in electronics. My father is an Industrial Electronics Engineer, and since 1975 repairs televisions and entertainment home apliances (VCR/DVD etc). He told me, while we were watching one of those Roswell footages, that the technological leap was enormous, in just a few years, from vacum tubes to silicon semiconductors and CPUs in general. Perhaps more sophisticated technology (like perhaps magnetic/and-or gravitic propulsion) is much more difficult to be fathomed. Latley I've read from a sience illustrated magazine about a new silicon solvent that is heat/pressure resistant. They aplyed it over a wax crayon and puted the crayon over a heat source (I think was a map-gas tube) and the crayon stayed unmelted. Perhaps some achivements could not be get in commercial production for some years.


I have never quite understood the theories behind an alien craft with new technology crashing, and humans suddenly understanding it to produce viable products so quickly.

Not saying I believe in this, but I would expect any alien technology from the 50s to still be misunderstood today.
Primeval
ROFLCOPCARS!
747400
QUOTE(Roj47 @ Sep 3 2007, 02:05 PM) *
I have never quite understood the theories behind an alien craft with new technology crashing, and humans suddenly understanding it to produce viable products so quickly.

Not saying I believe in this, but I would expect any alien technology from the 50s to still be misunderstood today.

Plus if they crash so often, maybe they don't work all that well after all? unsure.gif
nokturnal
pretty dumb
Pandora2173
QUOTE(DigitalSentinal @ Aug 29 2007, 07:59 AM) *
I would believe you cracked Roswell if you at least spelled it right.


This made me laugh, laugh.gif
Pandora2173
QUOTE(Moon Monkey @ Aug 30 2007, 02:49 AM) *
I just wanted to state my own amusement at this thread, how has this kept running I don't know but if we keep it alive a bit longer it may break the "most replies from completely rubbish OP" record.


I'm sorry, but the "most replies from completely rubbish OP" award goes to the one that was up last week. Something about we were magically created in the 1800's and how shovels are made of metal so how did cave men find dig for metal, gibberish, gibberish, yada yada??

That post made my brain hurt.
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE(xXkyo_rejectXx @ Aug 29 2007, 11:25 AM) *
heres what i came up with

area 51 is really what is seems to be a aircraft test site but... since rosswell they have been dissecting alien space ships ect and taking them and turning them into military aircrafts well thats what i believe and any opinion would be great

edit

the government plays a major role in this the military $wanted better aircrafts weapons ect and aliens want software being humans which in case means us humans doesn't that explain abductions?



believe me , if these ET's exist and have these capabilities then they don't need to make deals nor ask permission.
Agent. Mulder
QUOTE(Roj47 @ Sep 3 2007, 01:05 PM) *
I have never quite understood the theories behind an alien craft with new technology crashing, and humans suddenly understanding it to produce viable products so quickly.

Not saying I believe in this, but I would expect any alien technology from the 50s to still be misunderstood today.


apparently we've already had that technology for a bit i think. before the crash
Moon Monkey
QUOTE(Pandora2173 @ Sep 4 2007, 06:59 PM) *
I'm sorry, but the "most replies from completely rubbish OP" award goes to the one that was up last week. Something about we were magically created in the 1800's and how shovels are made of metal so how did cave men find dig for metal, gibberish, gibberish, yada yada??

That post made my brain hurt.

Still 40+ replies to that OP is not too shabby. We should remember these threads and have an end of year awards poll for the best and worst OP/threads of the year.
Pandora2173
QUOTE(Moon Monkey @ Sep 4 2007, 03:47 PM) *
Still 40+ replies to that OP is not too shabby. We should remember these threads and have an end of year awards poll for the best and worst OP/threads of the year.


I think that is a capital idea! No bans on threads, just an award at the end of the year. Awesome! BTW, LOVE your Secret Squirrel avatar. Makes me sing Marcy Playground whenever I see it.
Moon Monkey
QUOTE(Pandora2173 @ Sep 4 2007, 07:51 PM) *
I think that is a capital idea! No bans on threads, just an award at the end of the year. Awesome! BTW, LOVE your Secret Squirrel avatar. Makes me sing Marcy Playground whenever I see it.

Just to keep the thread alive ( any excuse to post a Secret Squirrel link)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4...h&plindex=0
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