Inconsistencies with the creation of mankind and technology. Have you ever looked at technology the world around you and say how is this possible? I have and I think that creation is one of those theoretical magic’s like gravity and magnetism and so forth.
They tell us that we were cavemen years back and that somehow developed the human language. Could you imagine how hard it would be to develop a human language? And then I am lead to believe that these humans that developed steel mill and bricks and cement. Do you know how rare the metals to make steel are? I am lead to believe that they just stumbled upon these things…please! Looking back on this it’s hard to believe that cavemen just made this world of advanced technology.

This is my theory; whoever created our world obviously did it with magic or some other superior power. They made the first humans in the 1800’s. They placed houses, steel mills, wells, and the knowledge of how to hunt animals for food. The humans, the people that were placed here magically inherited there language to communicate with and the know how to work steel build houses, make clothes, get water from wells and of course how to have sex. And that’s pretty much all they needed for the scene of the 1800’s. And from there on out they advanced there technology to that of the 21’s century.

When you look at the bigger picture you will realize that magic is definitely at work in the creation of man kind and the development of technology. I mean cars the most important thing in technology. Are run on engines that burn fossils that have energy in them. I am lead to believe that someone just stumbled upon this…yea right!

This has been bothering me for quit some time…

This is NOT HarryPotterLand....really, you should go to school...

I'm gobsmacked at how ill-informed you are.

So you can't believe that mankind, an intelligent, social, resourceful race with binocular vision and opposable thumbs, can't invent concrete, yet there is another race out there somewhere that uses magic???

Think about what you're saying man! On a fundamental level it makes no sense.

Rassy was right. You need to go back to school.

it's hard for us to realise what lots of TIME can do. When there are lots of people and lots of time, they will DEFINITELY "stumble upon" these things. yes, just like that.

dunno, but now that you mention it, it is a bloody miracle IMO.

Ever tried a Pot Noodle?

There's an evolutionary contradiction.

Last Thursdayism meets Harry Potter.

interesting theory. have you heard of the one called 'the theory of evolution'?

Okay, REALLY???? The 1800's??? Humans were created in the 1800's?? So, all history from before that is made up? No pilgrims leaving England? No black plague? No Salem witch trials? We were created and went straight into a civil war in a new country that apparently we didn't actually have time to occupy and tame? Sheesh, according to Christianity, even God started 2000 years ago. Your "magicians" must be freaking amazing!


Edited to say: Yes, I am aware that American history isn't the only history. But, I'm American and our history right before the 1800's were the first reference points to pop up in my mind.

i wonder where they are now. they certainly went to a lot of trouble to magic up the millions of years of history. i was convinced until i read the op's post.

I'm still trying to figure why they would bother to magically make a false history. If they created us in the 1800's, wouldn't THAT be our history???? Our starting point? Our "In the beginning"? Why give credit to one supreme being that you made up???

Sorry ... I won't even give this the benefit of the doubt, and I do that all the time.




Gene

I feel my life force ebbing away as I lose the will to live....



No.... please tell me just how rare iron ore and limestone is...

My head is hurting, I need a G and T, unless Ships Cat has a spare dram of Glenfiddich????

Something is at work in this post - it's not magic, though. LSD perhaps?

..pours Keithisco a LARGE glass of Glenfiddich, and invites him to help himself with ice.

And at the same time, I'm seeking advice from the moderators. I think you are all being too harsh with Megashredder. Whillst I disagree with his post, I am astonished and dissapointed with the agressive approach many of you have adopted.

This isn't the BBC News, this is the Unexplained Mysteries forum. I thought it was a forum where people could express their opinions, thoughts, or experiences - no matter how Outré- without just being casualy shot down. People laughed at Einstein. And Newton. And DaVinci in their time.

If you think that 'megashredder' is incorrect on a point of fact, then why not assist him/her with this, rather than criticising ?

Shame on you

Meow Purr.

Well to be purrr-fectly honest ships-cat, it IS a forum where people can express their opinions, thoughts, and/or experiences. And just like in the everyday world, people here are going to be brutally honest. Most people are nice and understanding ... but a lot of the same people are sick of silly concepts being posted. I like and respect about 99% of what's here ... but sometimes there are just things that make you go .... what? And I know that's no reason to be harsh but ... it happens sometimes.

And to go into something like why humans weren't created in the 1800's would take forever. There's search engines where he can look up things. I have to do it, so why shouldn't others. If you are interested in something, you search for all the information and knowledge you can about it .... and myself have changed my mind on things I previously believed. So I mean I don't think we're being harsh .... there hasn't been any evidence presented to shut us up ??

I'm sorry if you think I'm whatever you think I am, but the way I feel is that if people are old enough to post here, they are old enough to handle adult conversation, which as most of you know can be heated. So ..... show the facts to back your claims and maybe it'll be the facts people are talking about rather than the post.


Gene

I have to agree with ships-cat.

Can everybody please be civil. Working with facts instead of sarcasm will get you a lot further. It is just a forum and we are not undertaking any major scientific University studies, so lets all just relax and try to remember you were new here once too.

To be fair you are right Kismit.

There's always a but... " Working with facts instead of sarcasm will get you a lot further"

There are no facts to back up the OP so it's going to be a one sided arguement, from my side(and others) ... the fact that he is wrong. You understand where I'm coming from right? If he had to post facts about his claims, maybe it could be an actual conversation, instead of 8 people bombing him with "No, you're wrong".

I usually don't give people much trouble here. I think you're better off closing this down ... because it's going to be other members saying "play nice" and it's going to turn into a playground brawl. If facts are introduced to support his claim, hey I have no problem with conversing about them. Instead of closing it down you can PM him and ask him to try and find some fact and turn it into what it's supposed to be .... a discussion forum.


Cheers,

Gene

I guess i'll start presenting contradicting proof :

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Me too

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So I have presented some facts and proof of humans not being developed in the 1800's.


Cheers,

Gene

I’ve taken my anti-depressants so I feel a little better…

YOU GUYS’ AREN’T LISTENING. TO WHAT I AM SAYING! I AM LEAD TO BELIVE THAT HUMANS STUBLED UPON ALL THIS?! LOOK AT AUTO MOBILES THAT RUN ON FOSSIL FUELS THAT WHEN YOU BURN THEM AND ADD JUST THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF AIR IT CREATES AN EXPANSION GAS THAT PUSHES THE CAR?

FIRST OF ALL THAT SEEMS TO FITT INTO PLACE JUST A LITTLE TOO GOOD.

SECOND OF ALL I AM LEAD TO BELIVE THAT THEY STUMBELED UPON fossils. And somehow knew to burn them and put air in them and that that would create combustions.

And metal. Metal is the base of all our technology. Now them stumbling upon these minerals are believable. But them thinking lets burn them and burn them and burn them until them melt and we can wield them into ANYTHING.

Metal is underground way under ground you need shovels to dig underground what are most shovels made of? Metal…well the important part. Ok let’s say shovels are made of wood. You need to chop down trees to make wood. What do you need to chop down trees axes what are axes made of metal.

All the history of creation its all lies.

Ok, I will attempt to be nice and sound more objective this time.

Megashredder.....you seem to be jumping all over the place with your facts, which are true, yet you're leaving our huge chunks of explanatory facts in between. If I reply to your whole last staement, this would be a very long post, so I'll just touch upon what you mentioned about metal.

"And metal. Metal is the base of all our technology. Now them stumbling upon these minerals are believable. But them thinking lets burn them and burn them and burn them until them melt and we can wield them into ANYTHING.

Metal is underground way under ground you need shovels to dig underground what are most shovels made of? Metal…well the important part. Ok let’s say shovels are made of wood. You need to chop down trees to make wood. What do you need to chop down trees axes what are axes made of metal. "

First of all, shovels used to be made of wood, believe it or not. Primitive tools were not made of metal, they were made of stone, which is out in the open alot. I believe way back whenever, long before the 1800's, most likely the first stone tool was just a rock used for smashing things -- that led to someone realising that if they tied a rock to a stick, they'd have a better go at it. Then someone discovered by rubbing a few rocks together made them sharper, and hence, better tools were made, such as axes. Some rocks create sparks when smashed together, and that made fire-building easier as well. Now, there's metals that are out in the open, and inside rocks that are out in the open and people did stumble upon them and experimented with all that and came up with things. And, of course, the cycle continued....they end up making better things which helped them in finding more discoveries.

Honestly, Mega, we learn all this stuff in school, by reading and researching. I don't know how old you are or what grade level you are, although it is apparent to me that you're still young. My advice to you would be, that if you really think that things just suddenly appeared, then research it all. Get some books, at the library or so. Perhaps you might like to check out the history of tools, the development of mankind, or the history of refining metals and/or fossil fuels, as these subjects will give you a better understanding as to how the world devoloped and at what rate.

I apologise for being rude with my first post. That one poster was right - we should not be rude and and throw out insults when we could just as easily point you in the direction of other facts. But others are right as well - when something so extremely outlandish pops up, it's hard not to be insulting. If someone tried to scoop up some water using a seive when there's a cup right there, then alot of people probably would come along and insult them. There's HUGE loads of information you can use to research facts about the very thing you're talking about, that anyone can access - at school, the library, bookstores, internet, etc - and you'll soon find out it is all more of a 'one thing led to another' scenario rather than a 'technology or advanced civilisation just popped into existance' scenario.

(edited to add this.... )

I surfed about and found this site. It's pretty good and it covers ALOT of subjects. Just type in the search what topic you're looking for and it comes up with bits of really detailed information. I looked up 'tools' and ended up at a really detailed page abt the history of the development of tools from the start of it all to the modern day world. It's a huge site. Muck about in there and you can find a whole range of subjects that explain how the world has developed into what it is today. Actually, I'm saving this link, I could learn a thing or two myself!

HistoryWorld <---linky

O.k. you got me there but let’s go to the car/fossil fuels thing. Fossil fuels are elements that when you burn them they create combustion. Fossil fuels are found under ground way underground. You’re telling me that humans just somehow stumbled upon these things? How to you stumble upon minerals deep under the ground. And if you somehow do know that burning them and adding air to them will create combustion. You’re telling me that one day the humans decided lets burn fossils and ad air to them and see what the outcome is? And even if they did why they didn’t burn trees and see what the outcome of that it. The only reason they burn fossil fuels is because they have dinosaur energy in them. Trees are going to have just as much energy in them as fossil fuels are.

And metals are found deep in the earth’s core. You’re telling me they dug to that with the “Wooden Shovels”

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-235939/metal

I edited my last post to put in a good link you can use for researching how things came to be. I been mucking about in there just now....it's a nice site. You would need to do alot of research in different places to find answers to everything you're looking for, though.

Ok, Fossil Fuels... Humans did not stumble upon fossil fuels. Or did they? Oil has seeped up out of the ground by itself before....maybe they did stumble upon it and decided,(much later when they figured out what to do with it) let's look for some more. There's a huge factor you seem to be missing - time. Everything happens over time.

Umm, yes we did burn trees....wood. We used it as a fuel for heat - for cooking, making better tools (once we figured out how) and for warmth. Then we discovered coal!! That stuff was far better than wood. Then came oil and various gasses..... How did we find it all? Well, we devoloped tools, you see. And the more we experimented with things, the more we discovered other things or better uses for the things we already have. So eventually we got some really good and sharp tools going and we dug deper into the earth, most likely looking for one thing and discovering something else along the way. And when we discover something, we check it out and see what it is and how we can benefit from it, then we look for more and find more things, etc... So, basically, we most likely got to the fossil fuels because (a) we kept coming up with better and sharper shovels, which led to boring through even rock eventually, and ( b ) oil does seep up out of the ground, and we probably dug for more and found out what kind of conditions were where oil would most likely be and, so, went around looking for more. As for what all these fuels were used for and how we knew how to use them, was probably figured out by where we were in the development of locomotion. And fuels are used for alot more than cars....

Everything we have and use nowadays, have had a start somewhere. Some things are easy to figure out how it all began - such as fire. Other things are not so easy - such as how did someone ever come up with an entire train engine? That's because we started with the basics and we learned how to make one thing from something else we already came up with. Put a few things together, and we come up with something else entirely new. Keep doing that, and we could end up with something really complex, and we do that alot these days. And of course, there's the time factor...it all takes time...one thing leads to another...that the whole basis of development, methinks.

People are still finding new things these days and discovering new uses for things we already have.

Do you actually know how smart the human race is? You're giving us practially no credit. Everything had to be found once .... and I'm 100% sure they tried other things than fossils to create fuels. Also More than 90% of all fossils come from marine invertebrates, not dinosaurs.

You're still not showing an arguement for your side. You're just taking common knowledge and asking questions like how did they get the metal in the ground if there was nothing to dig it up with. You are misinformed and you need to check out that site.

Here's a good tid bit of info about fossil fuels for ya ...

Fossil fuels are hydrocarbons, primarily coal and petroleum (fuel oil or natural gas), formed from the fossilized remains of dead plants and animals[1] by exposure to heat and pressure in the Earth's crust over hundreds of millions of years[2]. The theory that hydrocarbons were formed from these remains was first introduced by Mikhail Lomonosov in 1757. In common parlance, the term "fossil fuel" also includes hydrocarbon-containing natural resources that are not derived entirely from biological sources, such as tar sands. These latter sources are properly known as mineral fuels.

Not all metals are found within the earths core. Once again I'm doing the work for you ... "Metals are most often found in rocks on the Earth. Metals are sometimes found in sand because sand is rock that is worn away over a long time. Sometimes metals are found as large lumps inside rocks or sand, but most often metals are in the form of ore. Ores are a kind of rock with very small pieces of metal inside. To get the metal out, the ore is crushed and sometimes heated or chemicals are used."

Please come back with some documented facts, or at least read some ... at least make it seem that you're putting effort into it and not just posting your random thoughts because you can't figure something out. If you can't handle that, I suggest you go finish your homework.

Hi, I'm new here this is my first post. The fact the Great Pyramid of Giza couldn't be duplicated by todays standards, says something doesn't it. It also proves that man may have been smarter in some respects in the past. Also, that ancient technologies were forgotten and later rediscoveried, such as electrolysis and battery power.

Why couldnt it? I suspect weve slightly surpassed pyramid building. A pyramid is a good option for early builders wanting to build big cos its fairly stable. We dont build pyramids anymore cos our techniques and materials are good enough to build stable buildings in all kinds of shapes and sizes. Just check out a few of the worlds major cities, most will have an example of something that would leave the pyramid builders breathless!

Lots of things we consider modern were hit upon by chance long ago....The steam engine is a good example, its been around for roughly 3000 years. So what changed a mere 200 years ago? The main change was that people realised it could be made to actually do things! A fact we take for granted now, but that went completly over the heads of pretty much everyone for 28 centuries!
Steam, electricity, Fire, metal etc etc are all naturaly occuring and its just a matter of how long it takes somone to notice and actually do something about it. And considering how many hundreds of thousands of years we've been here its more amazing that technology has progressed as slowly as it has done.
I blame religion for closing too many minds.

Edited: Fast Typing=Bad Grammer!

Nice post Torchwood.

While i find the specific concept to be unbelievable I do think sometimes that our discoveries have been nothing less than quantum. We muck around for 150,000 then in a course of 6000 years create all that you see today. If it is so far fetched as all the aggressive types think it is just delete the word magic and insert what could have caused the jump ahead. The timing is a bit off wouldn't you say? I would be especially interest in the last 60 years if I was a curious person studying this topic. good post ships

while i agree for the most part you are wrong somewhat. We still employ the concepts that built the pyramids in any large building, example using a wide base to promote stability in a tall structure. And whatever we have created in materilas thus far has nothing on stonework. Nothing we create will last 1% as long as the same structure built of stone. Yes based on the priciple that they prayed to thier gods by reaching for the stars it is an ideal and easiest way to do it. But I think its more about cost and efficiency than it is about the idea being outdated imo. good point about religion though too.

Well see we don't know what civilizations were like millions of years ago. Maybe we were more advanced than what we are now, and something wiped us out ... we don't know. There are theories out there that have said that we've been wiped out numerous times and that we just start over ... actually I think there was some sort of thread on here about it. I'm going to look for it. Regardless, the reason we're becoming so advanced in the last 200 years is because that is what we have become more interested in. Back in say midevil times, it's possible there were only a few people really interested in new technology, while today every second person is trying to invent something new. Things are taking off more now because we want them to.

But one thing that I'm sure is a definitely is that we weren't created in the 1800's.

Also a Nice post contactismade.

Thats exactly what im talking about, an observation into the basic principles of nature should tell anyone that our existence though apperently chaotic is just a complex cycle of nature with ebb and flow. And yes mindset has a lot to do with it your totally right there. Religion in the past didn't really encourage people to seek other answers, all the answers were already provided. Now with free exchange of info its changing.

WHAT EVER on the whole "let's not be sarcastic" subject. I'm sorry, but I'm not wasting my time searching around for historical facts that most everyone learns in elementary school just so that I can shoot someone's theory down. The OP should have taken the time to do that before he posted. Every single point the OP has tried to make in this thread doesn't even begin to make any sense. It's barely even readable.

IMO, keithisco's response said it all. Steel is somehow mysterious? Shovels are only made out of metal? How did they get to these mysterious ores way down underground??

C'mon, are you kidding me???!! People get sarcastic. Life isn't politically correct. Anytime you state an opinion anywhere you will get feedback. Sometimes positive, sometimes negative. It should be expected. The OP has the right to his opinions and to state them however he wants. The people responding have the right to respond the way they want.

Muck around for 150000 years? I wouldnt put it quite like that! For most of that period the human race(which was fairly small back then) was still struggling to survive in the face of hostile wildlife and a hostile climate that kept freezing people to the bedrock.
Progress is driven by boredom, when your bored you start doing things to see what happens, you've got time to start being curious and inquisitive and finding things out. Early in human history I doubt we had the luxury of time wasting like that, food had to be gathered, hunters needed to hunt, the glaciers needed to be avoided. You pulled your weight or got left behind. As time progressed and the population increaced and the climate started getting a little friendlier(from our perspective!) there were small advances, which made life easier and bought some more time to make a few more small advances ad infinatum. And its a process that like evolution drives itself, but gets faster and faster untill suddenly, a million years later, only 3 people are required to feed a country and everyone else can sit on their backsides and watch Big Brother and worry about what celebrities are up to. A bit like a snowball going down hill, its slow at first but gets bigger and faster....I wonder when it'll turn into an avalanche?

The perfect time is now, this is humanitys golden age!

Probably the best post here yet.


Gene

thats easy to explain, not all fosil fuels are below the surface, some are in the ground people walk on like in northern alberta in the tarsands. one lightning strike and ragnok notices that this part of the ground catches fire and stays on fire, even a caveman could see the benefit in that and make use of it. When the combustion engine was invernted they didn't just jump on gas as the energy source they musta tried hundreds of different things to create the right kick, it was trial and error untill they tried carbon based materials and found the energy they were looking for. And it all started with the steam enging which in turn was started by the wheel etc etc.

Well you're almost right, except for the fact that we don't know what or when the early stages of human life actually is. We can say that it started off with cavemen sure, but who is actually able to say that there was nothing before it? They're still finding new species of animals for god sake so it's nothing like we've discovered everything there is to discover ... and there has been very very very old artifacts that suggest civilization is much older than we believe found. Click on some of thoes Links I posted, you'll like the read.

Cheers,

Gene

Well it certainly didnt start with cavemen....There is always something before....

The evolutionary history of the primates is known to go back some 85million years though obviously they had ancestors and so did they, and they did as well etc etc etc....


Human-ish types start turning up around 2.5million years ago, and in several varieties of which we are the only survivors.

Theres this thing about time: Most things dont survive long periods of it. If there were civilisations older than the ones we know, (say 7k years for egypt, maybe a bit longer?) there artefacts wont have survived except in rare cases. And they dont give us enough evidence to say that there were civilisations prior to that!


ANd of course we dont know everything! how could we! We've only been doing proper science for about 150 years! Give the poor buggers a chance!

Of course there is a large portion of merit to what you say but they still had time to invent things to improve everyone's life otherwise we would still be scratching buffalos on the side of caves in France.

Realtivly thats quite a recent thing, it took us a long time to get to the point where the idea/concept of drawing a buffalo would have occured to anyone! It was just another step on the long road from the past to the future...
Essentially, painting the buffalos was an invention that slightly improved everybodys life.

Anyway Im mostly making broad generalisations for the benefit of the OP etc who, from their posts I would gather, that they dont have a broad knowledge of history and science or archaeology. I wont pretend to be 100% right but Im sure you'll agree(and indeed have done!) that for their purposes its close enough!

yup

You are correct sir. I'm still waiting for that contradictory evidence though....

Gene

Sorry you've lost me, evidence that contradicts what? was that something you were waiting for me to provide?

That was for the OP ... he obviously believes something ... and I'm waiting for him to prove us wrong... It's nothing you said.


Gene

Oh ok, thought Id missed something obvious!

Hahaaha, love the caveman's name. (sorry i'm off topic, lol)

Magic? More like alien intervention... and they didn't "place" anything. I think the aliens just gave us a VERY large jumpstart...
I don't think magic has anything to do with that... and I don't think magic exists but that's just me.

Any evidence?

I mean we've got thousands of artefacts and fossils and eyewitness accounts showing human evolution and the progression of our technology, loads of information plausibly laying down how we got to the here and now from the there and then, on the one hand, and on the other we have some vague hunches that it was all done by magic/aliens/fishmen from atlantis?

Its a bit of a one sided contest really isnt it?

Where would William Wallace be if he worried about how one sided things were..........oh yeah sorry forgot he was slaughtered......anyhooo

I suppose so. You have a good point.

I have a reusable rebuttal that our technology was pre set up. Take the Alaska natives for example. They have cloths made of what I’m assuming animal hides. How do they get the sleeves on? I mean you need sewing string to put the sleeves on a hide shirt.

You know call me psychic but I don’t think they have string and cotton and cotton gins and sewing machines out there in the artic tundra. Most people think “Oh technology is amazing” but they do not question any further that that.