Just read an article about it. In my opinion I could care less Jesus was just a Man.

Do you have a link to this article? Or something about it. It helps to know what you-or other people-are talking about.

Cya!

Then again, perhaps the vast majority of us don't really care............

Then again, perhaps the vast majority of us don't really care............

Well even if Jesus was cloned,it really wouldn't be him anyway.........you can't clone a soul so it may look like him,but it would not be him.I thought you had to have DNA to clone someone........they haven't found jesus' remains,so how would they do it?

The Shroud of Turin has his DNA ~~ the blood of Christ is supposedly embedded in the fibers. If this can be done, it might destroy Christian religion as we know it. As Malcolm said in Jurassic Park, "Your scientists were so preoccupied in if they could, they didn't stop to think whether they should."

[QUOTE=Atlantis Rises,Jan 1 2004, 01:11 AM][[/QUOTE]
Precisely. Jesus Christ is revered as God Himself or the Son of God. Destroying that imaginery would be devasating to many belief systems if he would appear as a mere mortal.[/QUOTE]
I hope they do clone him, maybe it will be the AntiChrist, that way I can witness the so called Apocalypse.

uh the Shroud of Turin was dated to the middle ages....there's no way it could be jesus' DNA

Although purposefully cloning Jesus would be crass; it would not really mean anything. It would only be a chunk of matter that would look like he had, it would not be his thoughts, or his soul. It would be the same as if we cloned Hitler; just because it would be the body it would not be the man.

To clone Christ would undermine the Christian religion.He was seen as the one and only Son Of God who, in the end died for everyone who lives upon this planet,to try and make them see peace and not suffering.Making a clone would completely go against all that the jesus was.The ONE AND ONLY Son Of God,and the bringer of happiness.And as Tess said you cannot clone a soul,therefore it would not be the same man.But a mere lookalike.

We can only hope they do clone the shroud, who cares if it's jesus or just a man or even the Antichrist, all Im saying is that it just brings humanity one step closer to the edge of Insanity, and Im lovin every minute of it.

Well,you are welcoming the hope of armageddon.I am also curious as to how we shall all perish,but im in no great hurry to speed the process up.If what you believe happens,that the cloned Jesus will be the AntiChrist and destrroy the world and what not.Then itwould be wrong.I think i speak for(almost)everyone when i say that if i am going to die,i want to die by natural means and not by something which we could have prevented.

Joc he just sounds like an immature idiot i would just ignore him don't even let him offend you.

As for the cloning issue what would it prove? nothing
As someone said earlier all it would do is show what he looked like and although im not certain probably be committing a sin too (excuse my ignorance please). Im not sure what to believe but when your talking about matters of religion and faith its about the soul not the physical. IE it was jesus' soul that allowed him to perform miracles and made him what he was.Although im not saying i believe he existed or not im just saying it would prove absolutley nothing but i think it would offend every christian on the planet. You woul clone the body NOT the man.

Besides i don't believe the shroud to be authentic (though i would love it if it was real because i want to believe). Im sure its been carbon dated to a relativley recent date (though im not positive).

Well I hope i haven't offended anyone with that wee thread just my opinion

I see the Nameless One has already been more than admonished by Magikman in the Metaphysics section.

No more comments needed..........

actually ,if you read the article,it's just some weirdos that think they can clone Jesus using DNA from a wafer that was blessed by a priest during mass.So it's not even worth commenting on anymore............

i really don't care, they'll all get killed by him anyway

if they were to get his DNA, it would be from the spear that impaled him on the side but i doubt he'll be walking on water. The most he'll do is probably fly - in front of some drug taking hippies. Drugs will make you see anything, just like in the old days.

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Like mentioned earlier in this topic, using such an ungodly method would create the anti-Christ.

It's funny - science works to prove God doesn't exist, but God works to prove he doesn't really care.


Ghosts, demonic phenomena, apparations, miracles - these are all signs of an after-life. Maybe there isn't a big bad daddy god, but you can pretty well surmise someone's behind it

Azeal,I have wonderful news for you if you are still having problems from your experience with the Fallen Angel Named Azeal.I found A way to Bind him back in the desert until the end of the world,or just in torment or hell... wichever you prefer *Cackles* Pm later and I'll tell ya.
anyway back on topic
why are you people so focused on the problems of the world? honestly why? tell me now,From the moment we are born we are dieing so why fear death?Im 13 and I dont give the sh** when I die. I would worry about my family but I and my mother would mantain contact anyway and maybe then I could prove to her that my God is the true one,So if I was to die tomorrow I could actully save my mother,Im not saying I embrace death but just let these scientists meddle in what they dont understand It is there descision.If God wants them to try to clone his son and create the antichrist then they will, We really have no say in this world even if it appears we do. This life and everything in it is just a test end story.

What did I have to vote for, I've been cloned already.

The whole thing is a hoax to raise money....there is no scientific way of cloning DNA that has degraded over such a long period of time. DNA degrades over time. We do not have the capabilities do such a thing. Even if we did persay that would be assuming it was Jesus on the shroud at all. I also agree with what someone else here said....you can only ever duplicate a body by science and not the spirit, soul, or essense of that person thereof.

christ is in all of us, thats what communion is meant to represent. so you could just take DNA from anyone...

Why we can't clone Christ (Article)

Gee, how can you clone Christ? Who has his DNA? I didn't know cloning technology was that good

I'm with PA on this...how can you clone christ???? its impossible...

WOW sounds as though he never exsisted LOL

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this possibility, but:

Assuming that the New Testament is completely accurate.

And assuming that we had Jesus' DNA, and cloned him...

Couldn't that be the second coming of Chrisr?

Yup. And once you find a way to clone someone out of red ochre, be sure to tell the biologists so that they can start the process



What use is it going to serve when we're in the grave?



Thats what I was thinking.

There was an episode of Star Trek where this happened. The Klingons had a prophecy about their great leader, Kayless, returning in glory. So a certain group took some of his blood that was left dried on a Batleth (Klingon sword type thing, for those not Trek-wise inclined), and cloned him.

Edit: to comment on Imaginary Friend's post below, that was the problem encountered in Star Trek. He looked like Kayless, but was found lacking when it came to his actual exploits. He was asked to give a rendition of his battle at.... somewhere or other, and couldn't provide details.

Most interesting episode in any case

Just thought I'd share it with you.

Regards, PA

Firstly to clone Christ one would have to have a viable blood sample from which to extract the DNA. (None exists).
Then one must realize that cloning is simply re-producing or copying asexually, the cellular structure of a biological organism. It in no wise would include the clone having the knowledge of or powers of, it's source. (i.e. Jesus).

It would simply be another human, though with respect to this dialog, a copy of Jesus, it would not "be" that which was the Jesus endowed with the knowledge and powers of the Christ figure.

Someone would actually need dna evidence for a start.

Which is impossible..........but however a lot will say IF he really did exsist his dna would have been found by now

^^Why would it have been found????

It would be the most intresting thing to be found PA and you of all people would be most intrested..................if Jesus's remains where found and his DNA was proof he was here on earth every christian under the sun would gloat like crazy............guess what it's impossible..his DNA can NEVER be found.....why is that do you recon lol

Ever hear of a family game show called - Family Fortunes??

We asked a 100 people do they think it is possible to dig up Jesus's DNA and you PA say ...yes it could be (just pretendlol)
And our survey said...............................0 (eeheeh)

wow, you get 5 extra bonus points for quoting someone who posted after the initial post they responded to...crazy point system, but they will come in handy...
in my opinion I'd say huh? in agreeance with previous posts, where would they get the dna from? but assuming they had it, why not, assuming cloning technology has advanced to a point where human cloning is functional, at the very least you'd have another viable human clone, best case scenario...well you'd have another viable human clone....sorry I just thought, wasn't jesus supposed to be the incarnation of the spirit of god? therefore without the spirit of god input, wouldn't jesus' second coming be a little disappointing ie, a soulless husk or best case scenario a different soul entirely? (not sparking a soul debate, just pointing out flaws in the whole hoping to clone the second coming on a possible religious pov...) anywho, just my two cents

Because he was resurrected. His physical body was taken up to be with God. There is no body, therefore no DNA. Unless you can dig up the cross he was crucified on, or get the crown of thorns that was thrust on his skull.........

See I know he resurrected..thats what the bible tells us.............to me IMO it was covienient to say that incase anyone tried to find his remains in which people have done...gee they have dug up remains of dinosaurs, the caveman even saints...

i guess the best place to get christ's dna wouldn't be the turin shroud, but the roman nail thats in the holy lance (spear of longinus) in the hofburg museum , if any blood still remains on it and if its a true nail from the crucifixion etc ..nobody can be sure but that would be the best bet to go for, maybe.

Just because one is an idealist does not demand one is not a Christian. In fact one could argue that Christians are idealists, it depends on what ones definition of the 'ideal'.

Cloning Jesus may bring the anti-christ to life.

If we could clone Jesus the point should be raised that it would only be his human nature, not his God nature.
Also I suspect that as he was totally God whenever any blood was shed here on earth that blood is probably impossible to clone, as God does not conform to scientific laws. How can one clone the eternal? We are not talking about a regular human here we are talking about the God of all creation, Jesus when here on earth did not conform to scientific laws, he walked on water, he raised the dead, he gave sight, he made the crippled walk, he multiplied bread and fish etc etc etc. What makes us so pretentious to even imagine we can recreate such a being harnessing him, restricting him to conform to our genetic laws,- that he in fact created??

As the turin shroud is a fake and jesus is alive and in heaven bodily, we will never be able to even attempt to clone him.

Assume that we did have a reliable DNA sample of his. What would happen if we generated a clone from it?