We don't even have people sighting these things. We are only discussing this based on stories. We are looking for truth in fiction works and stories. Dragons cannot be taken literally. There are so many different ways that the myths of dragons could have come about, and they don't invovle actual living, fire-breathing dragons.

Apparently according to one 'expert' its because they're scared of firearms....that explains the recent dearth of sightings. Probably extended now to cameras, mobile phones etc.

Infact....thinking about it it might just explain where the tradition of firing your gun into the sky in celebrations/festivals etc came from: like the chinese using fireworks to ward off the demons; cowboys, mexicans, arabs etc who all are well known to shoot into the sky in jubilation might be or have been unknowingly perpetuating a gesture that was once essential to survival. The more i think about it the more it makes sense.....perhaps i should write a book.

Interesting take on it Lil-Grem.
Actually, in China, VietNam, and other parts of SouthEast Asia, these customs do actually relate to dragon lore. According to legend, a solar eclipse happens when the celestial black dragon decides to swallow the sun. Humans on earth then bravely light of firecrackers (and today firearms) to ward off the black dragon. It must work because he backs off every time . I love the image of a multi-million mile black dragon about to engulf the sun, then noticing the firearms and firecrackers discharged on the third dust mote orbiting his snack goes "aww, foiled again"!

Obviously how threatened a dragon is by firearms depends on the firearm and the dragon.

P.S. Do you ever switch off with the Spike avatar? Do you have a Mogwai avatar as well?

Actually, I understand tha Chinese New Year in general, with its firecrackers commemorates the driving off of a maneating dragon-like monster, by the noise. I guess it wasn't a very smart creatures, or had extremely sensitive ears and decided preying on them was not worth an ear ache from the firecrackers.

Chinese legend has it that a huge dragon, called the Nian ("year"), would wander China swallowing whole villages. Every effort to stop it was in vain and they prayed for relief. A monk came to a village and offered to deal with the Nian. He went to the dragon and asked why he was wasting his time eating defenseless humans, when there were much more challenging creatures (such as tigers and other dangerous predators) for him to hunt. The dragon agreed and flew off with the monk.

Later, the monk is reveled to be a Chinese god in disguise. He returns to the village in instructs them to use the colour red, as this color frightens the Nian.

But you said that dragons were supernaturally intelligent. What's happening now? I guess not all are supernaturally intelligent after all eh? You got some dumb or intelligently challanged dragons. Heh.

Dragons do exist. I have a close friend that has seen several of them, just not on this planet or in this dimension. Most of them were misunderstood for their size and their powers. They finally left after being hunted and killed.

Welcome to UM Tarishm.

Do you have anything else to add? What planet or dimension are you referring to? What are the characteristics of these dragons? What misunderstandings occurred? I think that the brevity of your statement leaves too much to the imagination.

^Yeah, for example, start with the name of the author of the book you're refering to. I'm sorry...I don't think I get it right. Where did you say you're from again? Mordor? Lorien? Rohan?

I will see her this week and ask her more about them.
I am not sure about the dimension or even if they are on another planet. She said they were scary, LOL, but not at all aggressive. They are also accompanied by a friend from England. I know as much as everyone else that is on here about their life on earth, but I do know that they exist.
We have a tendency to only believe in what we see or told what to believe. We all know that there are things that are invisible and as much as we like to admit it, we are so limited as to what our minds can really comprehend.

i agree with you, fragons do exist in our world, it's just that their supernatural ability makes them invisible to us but they can cause all sorts of happenings. There is more to what the eye can see. In asian cultures, people that goes to forbidden lakes or caves get a curse, then the shaman has to go through a phase of trance to meet with the draqgon and solve the case. trust me people there is more to what the eye can see

read mines below..........aniways dragons live on earth but in another dimension n earth that humans can't penetrate

Well then how do we see them?

Oh! It's good then, finally someone that said it! Yes it's true that our mind is so limited an we can't comprehend what we can believe or see! At last, all this time I thought that Ultraman wasn't exist. Now I do believe they live in NEbula M78!

YEP the dragons choose their victom then hypnotize them into the water and drown them , its like they can read your mind and take control of you......yep then shamnas go into a trance and tap into their realm

Yeahhhh!!! Real living dragon at somewhere in Asia!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komodo_dragon

That "somewhere in Asia" is my country, you!

no no, even in the US. they exist, yep right here in Fresno, California......some lakes in here are haunted by dragons, like during the summer, there are atleast 3 deaths per year, now yall may think that's usual, but drowning while in a life jacket, not usual, and loook all over they lake and see no sign of the body, but the next morning people see the body on a rock or on shore, no blood, no nothing

dragons do they exist?-no. goodbye!

Well, that is as simple and to the point as it gets, thanks.

sure, dragons don't exist , only boogyman exist

Please site the book, chapter and verse for this. I am unfamiliar with any such passage, and I never site the Bible without being able to pin point referrences. Please site the location of this passage.

1. Are you joking?
2. That somewhere in Asia where Komodo dragons lives is in Indonesia, my country. Yes it's also in the US, but maybe in the zoo.

man you need more of an education, there is more to the eye can see. a little example, your dream. yea your eyes aren't open but you can see just as clear. you can;t feel, touch, and you aren't making your dream, your head just do it, without non of your senses

What you said doesn't make sense. You are saying a person presumably in a lifejacket drowns. And because on the first night, the body isn't found, that somehow equals a dragon got them. Wow. And the next day a body is found without a lifejacket. Are you suggesting that the dragon stole the lifejacket? Because that is what it sounds like. You are really reaching to suggest a dragon's involvement.

I think it goes more like this. First of all, you don't know these people that drown had on lifejackets. And if they did, maybe they malfunction or weren't wearing them properly. Regardless, you said that the bodies show up without lifejackets. This just means they either lost their lifejacket or they didn't have one on. It literally boggles my mind that you equate a dead body without a lifejacket, to the existance of dragons in the lakes. There is nothing out of the ordinary about a body in a lake without a lifejacket.

i never ever said they found the body without life jackets, go re-read again please, i said they found the body with no blood, no nothing meaning there was no sign of an attack. Their spirit just got taken away. And yes i do know these people, my relatives ok, they live with me in here, in California in the U.S.

Why is it that a person who dies on a lake must have been attacked by a dragon? How and why do you reach this conclusion? You have nothing to back it up. I could just as easily say aliens did it.

They were drown.

If you were drown in a swimming pool, no blood would be found on your body.

right?

While I do believe that there are somethings that we have called "dragons", I do not think that there is any reason to attribute most disappearances or water-borne accidents to them. Firstly I do not think that they are all hostile. Secondly, and more importantly, this is about as rational and useful, as the practice of blaming all unfortunate circumstances on witches.

because all the drowning were strange. who drowns in a lake not soo big but searches look everywhere and cannot find the body , the body appears peacefully on shore the next day. All these accounts when the person drowned, the dragon makes the family forget that the person is even there so the dragon can do his thing. a beach full of people and no one sees the person drowning, all of a sudden one person just goes missing. and the lake has a deep dark circle , right in the middle of the lake, it is viewable. the water quality is alright at shore then all of a sudden a drop into a deep drak circle. annually , people drown there and all the cases happen the same. And the spirits of the dead come back in dreams to tell the living that the reason they drowned was because something puled them in.

Umm...wow. Do you realize you have yet to even link us to such a fantastic story. Underwater structures and debris and plants can trap people and cause them to drown. Maybe they swollowed too much water on the way in. You must realize that you are connecting the dots with whatever explanation suits you best.

Exactly!

there is no written report about his because it's alll about what the family experienced during all this, there cant be a story unl;ess the family writes a book, the only way it gets around is if you are a relative or if it is told to you a s a story.

well some things just can't be explained, asnd yall know that

Then how can you explain all this so well? Had you not making the story up?
Pardon me, but honestly, when you're telling me to got more educated, I quickly re-think of what you've said.
I'm a working man, I've graduated from a law school. But that's not it. I'm well educated on reasons why people died out of drowning. And being pulled by a dragon...isn't even in my mind. I'm an Asian, and we did once worship dragons, it has become a daily life to us. But still, we just don't take it on a such fantastic level as you are. We consider them a deity of great power, and not to be blamed for drowning people for what? Fun? I guess not.

Nothing in the local paper. Surely when these people drown it is covered by someone. The parks committee or something. And I can't help but think there is no way the official reports have anything to do with dragons.

not meaning education in school, i mean education in the spiritual level.......well lets just say people don't realize their surroundings until something bad happens

ofcourse it made it to the media, and if they were to talk about dragons, the newspaper will have to expand to 2-3 pages in order to cover the dragon side of the story

Because ancient people all over the world were familiar with big, man-eating reptiles. You add human imagination to the equation and you get a whole lot of nifty dragon myths. It's actually pretty common for two or more writers to have the same idea totally independent of each other. I'm sure storytellers in ancient civilizations had the same problems.

Really, give ancient people some credit. They were just as smart as we are now.

ok im out of this forum, people come from many worlds and can't accept ideas from other people's world

If anything ancient people were smarter then most people today. Our technology is just improved.

And what about cold climate caltures, they have dragon stories too and how many man-eating reptiles can live in those places?

An interesting point, fatfox. We must either consider that they had cultural contact with people half a world away, had kept these legends in thier rapidly changing oral history during thousands of years of migration, that their is some sort of subconscious archetype ... or that people may have actually have seen something to foster these legends.

I beleave with the last Idea. But most people probably wouldn't be accepting of dragons

All of the Lake monsters, sea serpents, thunderbirds pteranodons, etc. reported as cryptids may very well be "dragons". In fact this better explains these creatures, becasue legends uniformly explain they have great intelligence. An intelligent Nessie who is a dragon could easily elude human scientists who believe they are dealing with only a "dumb animal", and one that can only remain in the water. Early Nessie reports described her crossing roads, etc. Maybe Nessie can even fly, but only does so on dark nights so not to be seen.

If the media had ANY reason to believe that dragons were involved, they would have jumped all over it. The media loves a good story. It sells.


It isn't about accepting ideas. This is about you stating so emphatically that these are real creatures with nothing to back them up other than some questionable stories. And YOU are the one that isn't accepting other people's ideas, because you can't accept that not everyone feels and thinks the way you do.

Don't forget how well traveled cultures such as the Vikings were.

I didn't know there were sightings, where? When?

What? Nessy flying now? Since when? hahaha

FINALLY people on my side

so does you, you dont respect our beliefs too