I see a great amount of self doctrine and media based dogma, that serves to camoflauge the nature of our greatest adversary. There are even cartoons on Saturday morning with demons as the main characters. Vampires that are do good crime fighers. Dragons that help men, and beasts and monsters on the side of justice, and the American way. What a crock! The devil (the term used here for the purpose of avoiding another debate over its' true name) at the very least, is an intelligence occupying our space with us, that has existed from the beginning of the world, if not before. Its' only crimes were, jealousy of man, and the presumption to assume the thrown of God. Now, regardless of what doctrine you prescribe to, this is an entity that is older than dirt itself, and has witnessed the journey of man, and knows all our weaknesses and feable ways. And most importantly....hates us with every fiber of its' being. And in kind, so its' minions hate us as well. Now these facts can be stated without referrencing canonical script, or calling the pope. These are universely known precepts. Its' old! It hates us! What is there to make a cartoon out of, for our children to watch. Where is the good sense in portraying demons as good guys, or lovable Saturday morning characters? It is simply another triumph for the devil itself, to have doubt cast upon its' existance.
Without making lite of anyones experiences, I'll simply say, that if you believe you have had a favorable encounter with the devil, or a demon, I would suggest councilling, meds, and seclusion and rest. I stress "favorable". Now if you have been attacked, torn, beaten, slapped, frightened out of your mind and terrorized, thrown from your bed, bludgeoned, cut, bruised and battered,...then I would tend to believe such an account. I would believe a totally passive account as well. But it would be plain to me that it means to deceive you. The devil is not your friend. And demons are not your little buddies. They only want one thing of men. They want our destruction. As old and intelligent are these beings, they are not to be toyed with. They are not to be summoned. One has gall to think they can have any discourse with such an intelligence, much less match wits with it. Do Not kid yourself. ~Jackal

The way you describe such beings makes it sound almost as if you worship them!
Sorry, I don't believe in your devil and demons.

"Do Not kid yourself, reality bites"

whos reality? your reality? my reality? Fear is a mind killer (seen that somewhere before but I just cant put my finger on it...)
I agree with Boon, you are welcome to your demons and devils just like your are welcome to your greedy, jeolous god. That is if you are a follower of the GOd O Abraham. Not for me thanks, but you are welcome to it, take my share please...

Good post, I agree with you. It's the devil's way of gaining access to the young. They are the most impressionable. I think it's a load of crock having that stuff as cartoons for the kids. I like the way your posts read too.

if you see a lion in the grass, will you run or think whose reality is he, and whether your fear of him is philosophically good or bad

Sorry but most of what you refer to is fiction...fantasy...as in not real. I've never seen a vampire, dragon, demon or met the devil, satan, or any other form of evil being. What is interesting is that in places where they don't believe in such things they don't ever refer to mysterious evil beings attacking them. Seems like if evil beings existed to try to hurt us they'd go after everyone equally, instead of only a small minority of believers. Reality is that these things do not exist.

Please back up this statement with a source of refutation that proves that these things do not exist. It would be much appreciated by the forum viewers and would also give us a reason to believe a word you say as right now your opinions arent very convincing in the least.

Reality is only what YOU find in a test tube im afraid.

For you to remove demonic possession as a mental disorder then you would have to also find a rational, logical explanation to explain away engraved words appearing on human flesh in front of clergyman, bite marks with saliva occuring on bodies in places that are impossible to be self inflicted occuring in front of medical doctors and journalists along with levitating objects, bed rails moving and vibrating on their own while the patient lay on the bed, speaking in foreign languages unknown to the persons and their cultural background, cursing towards any relics or crosses displaying anything of Christ and things of that nature that science absolutely CANNOT determine an answer for. Im interested in hearing your refutation.

There is no devil, the only evil is in the mind of a person, it is not created by an outside force, but generated by our own depravityThere is no devil, the only evil is in the mind of a person, it is not created by an outside force, but generated by our own depravity.

Stop trying to excuse humanity for its crimes, there is no demon or devil that makes us do bad things, only ourselves

I don' think he said they make us do bad things, but correct me if I'm wrong

As he says it wants our destruction, and seeks to harm us etc.

And since no one has ever been actually attacked by such a being (there aren't devils coming out of walls to attack us or steal our souls), then he must be implying that they work through intermediaries (other humans), by manipulating them to do bad to each other

I have to say yes on this one... our children don't need to have cartoon's featuring these types of characters. If I ever had another child I don't think the television would be allowed. (Oh my that was a scary thought... no more kids for me )

Well there certainly were claims of such attacks, but that doesn't count.

Dragons can be lucky if you live in China, they are not demons. One man's demon is another man's God.

Demons. Devils. Ghosties & Beasties.

What next? Public accusations of witchcraft? "Witch Tests" & Witchhunters?


Someone want to let me know what century we are living in?

You know regardless of whether I agree or disagree with what you have written I have to say its one of the best written posts I have seen on a long long time on any website ever.

Kudos

Anyone! feel free to provide proofs to refute my statements!....i havent seen any refutations, just people saying things dont exist......

Not to trample all over your beliefs, but can you prove these things that you claim are real?

Can you prove that the pink unicorns don't exist?

Most of the things found as diagnoses for mental disorders in the medical field were once thought to be demonic possession at one time or another. Take for example some of the people tried for witchcraft in the past are now thought to have been suffering from ergot poisoning, which caused the hallucinations and other symptoms. While there are cases that are thought of by the religious community as demonic possession, in all reality its someone suffering mental illness. And before you go calling marks on the body where it "cant' be self inflicted" its known by science, that people can create with just the power of the mind, welts, burn like marks, and bleeding. I mean think about it, before certain mental illnesses were better understood, people had holes drilled in their head to let out the demons. Do you recommend this treatment? It comes from the same dark ages thinking that demonic possession comes from.

There are plenty of cases documented by doctors of people who display religious mania or even anti-religious mania and so believing they are possessed but that doesn't make it real, it just makes the person sadly insane. As for all of the "evidence" of levitation or other "supernatural" events where is the mainstream evidence? Where are the peer reviewed papers on many cases with witness intervieiws, or even better video??? It seems like if there is all this evidence for possession and for exorcism then it would be out there for all to see, not just in a movie....

You fail because of this comment.

Example:

Prove to me that the tooth fairy does not exist, if you can't, she exists!

If you don't like what is on the TV it does have an off button and a channel select. They are usually on the remote or (if you have lost it), they are on the front. I like the show about the dragon and the girl on saturday morning. (I don't remember the name of it.) It is kind of a Pagan like show. There are plenty of christian channels for people like you to watch. Not being a christian I prefer the shows about the "demons."

Zero

Jane and the Dragon.

How about Goddesses, do people like shows featuring Goddeses?

cause there is an awesome anime with that very theme

Oh this is ridiculous.. Alright, demons, devils in cartoons.. you've got, as stated, Jane and the Dragon, then there's Dragon Tails.. what else.. Dragon Booster? Well I always saw those things as being dinos, not dragons.. but anyway.. Asian cultures see dragons as good luck, wise, caring... Russians view dragons as wise and protecting, the Europeans are the ones who decided the dragons where evil.. Wow.. same guys who edited the bible, huh? Demons? Which ones? Gargoyles? So you want to take away thousands of years of culture based on the beliefs that a stone carving PLACED ON CHURCHES is evil?

Wiki quote



wow.. really evil to me.. yep

What else? Theres a couple demons in the Jacky Chan cartoon.. but hate to tell you this, in China, demon does not mean devil, it means a spirit that hasn't been laid to rest... a boogyman. In the old D&D cartoon, they RARELY had dragons or demons, though the main villain wore a demon like head, it was only a helm, as I recall. And honestly I can't really think of any more, If you got a few, toss them in, cause I wanna know exactly WHAT you are harping about.

Oh, and just a little history lesson for you.. you know the red guy with the pointy beard, the pointed tail and the pitch fork.. if you want cry about cartoons being bad.. we made up that image.. thats not the devil.. its as much meant to desensitize us as any cartoon you may be speaking of. There are far more portrayals of the Devil himself and Demons in comic books, novels, movies and as mentioned before, Anime, Heck, I would say you would have a better arguement against D&D itself, but that ones been done too many times.

Cartoons.. I just don't see it, AT ALL... show me, hmm? Where are your demons hiding?

is anyone else getting this??
this guy obviously has a penchant for dramatic writing and posts!! trying to persuade us to fear something ridiculous..'evil little men' or 'a phantom caller', and now the devil and his demon minions!!

he uses his ability to write impressively worded posts to validate his claims and make him appear more credible, seeing as if this was written poorly, but with the same message, it would be immediately scoffed at and not taken seriously, as all these posts inevitably are.

its a load of balogne!! all his posts are! its really starting to grate on me! i don't care that he can write well, he's talking rubbish!

like i said in another post, someone assign this guy his own 'fiction section', and let him 'story-tell' away in there

no, and that exactly prohibits me from saying they don't exist.

Frankly, i find this post very biased and, for lack of a better word, extremely childish.

What exactly are you saying here? It seems to me that you are immediately judging someone by their appearance. You saw a dragon on the television and immediately thought devil? To be honest, you're being very childish. Haven't you ever heard of the saying 'don't judge a book by its cover'? Are you saying that anything that looks 'devilish' is bad? Way to stereotype...

Don't take this an an offence, but these characters, though purely FICTIONAL, do have good qualities. I mean, they fight EVIL in these TV shows, shouldn't you be glad that your children aren't being taught the opposite? Even if they do look like a dragon or a freaky looking monster, do they not have the ability to do good? Do their looks forbid them from being a good influence? As stupid as this post sounds, maybe you shouldn't be so stuck on appearances.

dragons, vampires and so on. do not exist. therefore they are not of the devil, but of the imagation of men. demons however are, they exist in some anime shows. some are exiled demons or they are being hunted [the demons are being hunted] by someone of a higher good power [from what i've seen in anime shows]. but i don't think that showing demons on tv is gonna make kids go bad. it is the drugs, rebellion of the world. that's the devil's way of getting his hands on them.

i don't even think he believes this poo-hockey he's just looking for attention by writing 'well-written' and scary posts...'ooooh, we are all being fooled! kidding ourselves, exposing our children to evil! the Devil is amongst us'...
...

mm hmm.

becareful. some mods might catch that as a personal attack [which is against the fourms rules ] if he wants to do that so what [if he is doing that, so what]. we can still find something interesting to talk about, if not then we leave. if the mod or admin feels that nothing is going on, they will close it down. but why not have some fun while this is still open?

bahh...i'm too irritated to have fun
but the playgrounds all yours! he has atleast two other threads presenting his stories as actual occurences, and its just getting on my nerves a bit i would gladly support a ficitonal thread, if thats where his interests lie...

haha. i'm having fun on "what women really want" thread!!! chill out there.

lol! another dangerous subject agh...i think i just need a break and good bar of chocolate
lie away mr. Jackal!! i'll debunk your claims another day, right now..i want some Galaxy milk chocolate

Nope all it says is that there is no evidence, just like there is no evidence for demons and devil and dragons and other myths

but if there is no evidence for or against something, I can't say it does or doesn't exist and call myself logical.
It's simply "no input" on the matter.

Then this thread fails, because it was trying to say that demons and devils are all around us trying to do us harm, well since there is no evidence of them then that argument is rendered false

but the author did not call himself logical, and a scientist.
I just said you can't be a scientist and a man of true logic and have any real conclusions about such things.
He can have his opinion, and share it, then have it challenged by other opinion.

Of course there is no proof of such things, and that means you can't put it in
school textbooks, and there is no place in scientific discussion for it

but that doesn't mean it can't bite (if it just happens to be real)

Amen to that brother!

Oh ya'll aren't messing with my ride again are ya?? Ugh...



With regards to some of the statements above: I appreciste hearing Jackal's stories. Ifind them interesting. This is Unexplained-Myseries afterall... I think they're cool

Just because he writes his posts well does not mean that they are not true. How can you prove that they are just fiction? Only he can answer that. Besides, it is interesting what he posts. ANd especially in this situation here, there is no false hood going on, it's just opinion.

oh jeez louise, i wasn't trying to prove anything was fiction. it is my opinion from what i've read that they are. what he is saying here is that the Devil is real, and that we are 'kidding ourselves' and putting children straight into the arms of the dreaded Satan himself...hmm...wonder why i thought this shouldn't be taken in any way seriously?
i remember when people would come on here and claim the anti-christ was coming and we were all going to hell. can you imagine the response that got? surprisingly different to this..

to simply reply to the OP, there is no evidence for this devil, so i shalt not fear him ..nor blame cartoon network for the evil in the world personally, i love dragons and vampires are so yummy!! lol..

LOL makes you wonder how poor ole Satan managed to spread the word BEFORE TV.

I think it's ignorant and irresponsible in the first place to tell your kids there are demons and devils hanging around trying to take over your body !!!

You are teaching fiction as fact ! Until proven they exist one does not have the right to teach this harmful BS to kids !!

I know from experience and developed emotional/psychological (phobias/neurosis) problems from being taught this CRAP. Funny thing is the days (it was a slow process) I quit believing- these very real or so it seemed demons magically disappeared !! Go figure.

It's not the cartoons that are harmful (don't make the kids any smarter though) but these obnoxious beliefs.

Fiction is simply something which is not true but imagined, and not something which is not proven.
A thing can be real (or fiction) regardless if it is proven or not.

I think it's quite stupid to think that these cartoons are just the devil and his inmates in duiguise. Don't you think that this so called 'devil' would have thought of better ways to lure his victims than through a fairly fictional TV show? If he does use this, then maybe possession might be more effective. I doubt you get many people in court saying "Barnie told me to kill".

Just a thought...

well I certainly didn't think that. I wasn't aware we are discussing cartoons.

My point is, if someone doesn't believe peoples claims, that's ok, but people have said to have had encounters with
many types of "dark" beings, some of them mentioned in christian mythology, some of them not.
You could say that there is an entire undiscovered "fauna" in the astral. But sometimes it's more physical than that.

Umm, isn't the first post of this thread talking about the supposed demons taking over our children by means of putting evil creatures in TV shows?

don't know, the thread has in my opinion turned into the question if they even exist.

That's how it always is on this forum it would seem:

if there is a word UFO in the title, no matter what the first post is, the thread becomes like any other thread debating if they exist.
If the title contains god, then it turns into discussion does god exist and is he good or is he bad.
In the end, all threads end up the same, and could easily be merged into a few threads.

I hope I'm not repeating something already said on this thread but I couldn't bring myself to read the entire thing; it's too long.

Here's my bit:
YHWH, the god of the Jews, the Christians and the Muslims (although each gives It a different name), is said by all three sects to be omniscient and omnipotent. That means that YHWH knows everything that has ever happened or ever will happen (omniscient) and has total control over everything that has ever happened or will ever happen (omnipotent). That means that Satan does nothing that YHWH does not intend to happen and that everything that Satan will ever do is exactly what YHWH has decided is going to happen.

Either YHWH has total control or It does not. The religious cannot have it both ways. Either the god of the Jews, Christians and Muslims is in complete control of the universe or else It is not in complete control.
I've heard about this "free will" clause. I didn't wrestle all the way through this link; I included it because it appears to have a lot of meat in it.
My take on "free will":
An omniscient god who grants free will to a tiny few of Its creations still MUST know every tiny action that each and every one of those creatures will ever take or else that god is not omniscient. "Omniscient" means having TOTAL knowledge of all things over all time...no exceptions.
Does "free will for humans" mean that YHWH is tossing dice and closing Its eyes? Not according to the Holy Texts of YHWH's followers, that consistently trumpet total knowledge and total power for their god.

there is an explanation for that too, its not really a paradox at all