Here are the "facts" of Truth as we know it, contained in over 1800 different messages from the spirit world. These are provided to satisfy the typical desires of mortal minds to know "truth". But please understand our knowledge that God is not known through the mind, but through the soul. This is probably another way of saying God cannot be known, but He can be experienced, and the vehicle to achieve this, is the soul. And no "facts" are required for this, only LOVE. It will not make any practical difference whether you die with a mind that has 100% Truth or a mind that has 100% untruth. What will make a difference is whether your soul has found God through Love, and that you have lived that Love. That every act you execute, is executed in Love.

Important Truths that all mankind should know.

What happens after Death?
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When souls leave their earthly bodies, they enter the spirit world. As each spirit arrives in the spirit world, they are taken to a temporary place and are then helped by more advanced spirits who guide them and inform them that they have left their earthly bodies forever. These newborn spirits are also shown how to overcome the confusion and terror that may be theirs with the help and encouragement of these spirit helpers.

Some of the newly born spirits, when they come into the spirit world meet their guardian angels and also many of those whom they loved on earth. For a certain length of time they are very happy and rejoice because of the uniting with those they loved so much when on earth. They all have a wonderful time together.

This meeting place, where loved ones wait to meet the new arrivals and welcome them into their new home in the spirit world with great joy and gladness, could be compared to our Grand Central Station in New York, Chicago, or any other large city where trains come in from all over the country on many tracks. This joyful meeting helps to overcome the anxiety, and often fright that may be theirs upon first entering the spirit world. But the love and protection of these spirit helpers consoles them.

After a while, the spirit is told that there is a law, which is that all spirits have to go to a plane corresponding to their soul condition. That means its purity or lack of purity. "For as he thinketh in his heart, so (is) he." Prov 23-7. This means, of course, his soul condition. Does he love things that are righteous and pure and holy, or does he love things that are evil and depraved? Reference 2.

When the spirit is conducted to its plane, according to its soul condition, the spirit finds itself in a place or environment that is in exact harmony with that condition.

Those spirits who find themselves in darkness and suffering because of evils done on earth, find that etched in their memories are every act and deed and thought that they had when on earth. When the conscience becomes awakened, as it does to all spirits sooner or later, then comes the scourging of conscience, remorse and regrets. Until these spirits are willing to receive the help and instructions of spirits from a higher plane, they will continue in their deplorable condition. Reference 3.

Conscience then becomes the judge and executioner, and causes the suffering - not an angry God inflicting this condition, as some of the orthodox churches teach. Conscience gradually becomes awakened and, with it, the remorse and regret because of its evil life on earth that causes the darkness and suffering. Now, you can readily see that the evil spirits, in order to make progress, must get rid of these evil creations that are the result of their own wills. Until their consciences are satisfied by getting into harmony with the laws that have been violated, these spirits will continue to suffer. Reference 4.

When these spirits get rid of these sinful desires and memories of those things they had forgotten to forget, suffering will cease. As the soul progresses, these memories become fainter and fainter until such memories and sinful desires will be removed sooner or later, and conscience ceases to cause suffering. Then these spirits can claim they have been forgiven and will find themselves in a beautiful place. Forgiveness is, in effect, forgetfulness.

First, it must be understood that when a mortal passes into the spirit world it has the same beliefs that it had on earth, and does not come into all knowledge, as some think. To obtain knowledge, the spirit must receive knowledge of Truths from a spirit who has progressed to a higher sphere.

There are many planes in each spirit sphere, but there are only seven spheres. The lower planes that exist in the first sphere, which is in contact with the earth plane, are called the hells. There are many hells as well as many heavens. To make progress into higher spheres, or heavens, the soul must be qualified to go higher, as in different grades of school.

Many spirits are stagnating in their plane or sphere because they are not willing to give up their erroneous beliefs from earth that r****** their progress. But, if a spirit after it passes into the spirit world is in the soul condition of sufficient purity, it passes into the second sphere, which contains considerable light, and the spirits in this sphere have a good deal of happiness.

Because in the second sphere there are spirits who still have their orthodox beliefs much the same as they had on earth, the spirit does not come into all the knowledge, as some think. To obtain greater knowledge the spirit must receive this knowledge of truths from a spirit who has progressed to a higher plane or sphere.

There are two ways whereby the soul can make progress into the higher spheres or heavens - because there are two different purifying processes. Each purifying process leads to different heavens. There is the Kingdom of God (or Biblical Heavens), wherein the perfect natural man exists. There is also the grander and more glorious kingdom, or Celestial Kingdom, where only those can enter who have received the New Birth, which is obtained by the inflowing of the Divine Love that comes from God by His Holy Spirit. Divine Love is the very essence and substance of the Father, while the natural love as taught by Moses - love to God and love to your fellow man - is not.

Love to God and love to your fellow man as taught by Moses and other teachers and reformers, is a beautiful love when lived up to, and leads to the Kingdom of the Perfect Natural Man but not to the Divine Kingdom of the Celestial Heavens, where Jesus dwells. Jesus was the first to obtain the Divine Love. Since he has been in the Celestial Heavens he has obtained it in such great abundance that he is nearer to the Fountainhead of the Father, and has a greater glory and beauty than any other Celestial Spirit. Because of this greater abundance of the Divine Love in his soul, it gives to him far greater wisdom and knowledge and soul perception of the Great Soul of God and His attributes. It makes him the greatest authority in all the Celestial Heavens of the Father's plans for the salvation of His children.

Moses taught the Ten Commandments, and many other teachers and leaders taught the moral precepts before Jesus came to earth. Jesus was the first man to teach of a greater Love than the mere exercise of the natural love. This Divine Love is no part of the natural love, neither is it that love developed into its purest state. It is a separate and distinct quality of love.

A spirit who had reached the Kingdom of the Perfect Natural man wrote through Mr. James E. Padgett that "although he was a very bright spirit, his glory was like a pale moonbeam compared to the glorious sun at midday." This fact is very convincing that these Celestials have obtained in their souls a quality of love that is of the Divine Essence, or Divine Love, which causes that greater glory and beauty that shines through their spirit body countenances, that the natural perfect man has not.

Spirits who have progressed to the Kingdom of Perfect Natural man, which is the highest sphere of those who develop their natural love and become free from sin and error, find themselves in a condition of stagnation, for they have found the limit of their purifying process that they have passed through. Of course, they are beautiful and glorious spirits, and wonderfully happy in investigating laws both material and spiritual, for there is always something new coming up for them to study. The purifying process they have passed through is the result of good deeds and good thoughts, their natural love to God and their fellowman, renunciation of their sins that are not in harmony with God's laws of harmony, and helping spirits who are in a lower sphere than themselves. When these spirits reach the condition whereby their souls become free from the perversions of their natural love, they have then reached the sixth sphere, the Kingdom of the Perfect Natural Man, but are still in a condition of stagnation, and become anxious for higher Truth as the soul longing increases.

After a while, these spirits referred to find their souls becoming hungry for something they know not what, and then the Celestials, who often visit the spheres, are able to instruct them in what their souls are really hungry for, even though they have no idea of what it is. Then these spirits will often listen to the Celestials and take their advice, and seek with all the earnest, sincere longings of their souls for the inflowing of the Divine Love. When this Love comes into the soul, it transforms the soul into the Divine Nature, and eventually the Love comes into the soul in such abundance that the Celestial Heavens will be reached.

The Celestial Heavens follow the seventh sphere. The spirit who makes its progress from the lower spheres by earnest and sincere prayers for the Divine Love finds that as the Divine Love enters into the soul in sufficient abundance it is then qualified to enter the sphere above. After it reaches this sphere and seeks for more of the Divine Love, and more of the Love comes into the soul in sufficient degree, the spirit rises into the next sphere that is higher, and as the Love increases in the soul, the spirit progresses from sphere to sphere, until it reaches the seventh sphere. After it reaches the seventh sphere, the spirit possesses the Divine Love in almost, but not quite sufficient abundance to enter the Celestial Heavens, which are immediately above the seventh sphere.



Acknowledgement.

Dr Stone was the first to have the true teachings of Jesus and the other Celestials printed; he was a close associate of Mr. Padgett while receiving the messages; he was present with Dr. Samuels when he received the supplementary writings from Jesus; he served as the first President and one of the Founding Trustees of the Church of the New Birth; from 1918-1967 (the year of his passing) he spread the true teachings of Jesus of Nazareth; and during all of those years he spoke every night to the dark and suffering spirits

the "lack" of response to this post reflects on the ignorance of the world and how they treat truth like a virus....stay the feck away from it...

You sound like a very impatient man, lad. How come your truth did not learn you about being patient

[quote name='Egyptian-Illuminati' date='Sep 4 2007, 08:00 AM' post='1867425']
Here are the "facts" of Truth as we know it, contained in over 1800 different messages from the spirit world. These are provided to satisfy the typical desires of mortal minds to know "truth". But please understand our knowledge that God is not known through the mind, but through the soul. This is probably another way of saying God cannot be known, but He can be experienced, and the vehicle to achieve this, is the soul. And no "facts" are required for this, only LOVE. It will not make any practical difference whether you die with a mind that has 100% Truth or a mind that has 100% untruth. What will make a difference is whether your soul has found God through Love, and that you have lived that Love. That every act you execute, is executed in Love.

In order to be among the highest, you must go forth into the "flames of wrath" without any fear at all. You have to go through hell before you get to heaven

What lack of response?

By "lack of" do you mean that people have not replied immediately? The real facts are that people also sleep and have to work, therefore, it will not always be possible to reply to Threads immediately.

I do not consider the Original Poster as one who would be impatient, I do think, you, may be however.

I liked the original posting and I really enjoyed how Egyptian-Illuminati worded the Thread, it leaves much food for thought.

Egyptian-Illuminati how did you come to these conclusions? Is it something you have read or is it something that has come to you in inspiration?

I need a source unless this is original to the poster.

the 'truth' is just an opinion. and everyone has their own that is just as valid.

Ok here is one of the questions I have with this. If this is true, then it throws asking forgiveness from God right out the window. It is also basically saying that it doesn't matter if you ask someone for forgiveness or not, you're still going to "pay for it."

Question #2. How can we not have remorse or regrets? Not over simple things, but things that have truly affected us in some way. Things we already "punish" ourself for.

My Father wants me to know, I should call him when I get back in town. So we can go fishing!

What you said Kapsha "It is also basically saying that it doesn't matter if you ask someone for forgiveness or not, you're still going to "pay for it." - is not true.

It relies totally on your concious mind and how you percieve what you believe.
God does not punish.

Also, one of you asked for a Source.... and here it is.
I did not want to "promote" this site in any way for i may be banned from revealing the truth to this forum.

Ther site is as follows that contains all the Information and messages from the Spirits.
11:11 Progress Group
and New-Birth .Net

There is also hints of a Second coming from not Jesus - but Monjoronson.
He has tried to make contact countless times warning of the great upheaval that will result of his coming.
And he will reign for a good 1000 years. This is the "Correcting Time"
(He will show up within the next 3 months to 6 months to many people all around the world.)

Also, the Planet Earth has the wrong name. To the Universe it is named "Urantia".

Look around the internet for the "Urantia Book" which was written by Celetials like Jesus himself.
Details the worlds history in extreme detail.

I see new age with a Jesus twist. I really don't get the part about, who Monjoronson is, who I take is not here yet?

WOW! I came on here FOREVER ago asking about the Urantia Book and I got NO response until finally someone said, this has all ready been done and everyone's basic consensus was that it was rubbish. I'm just surprised that SOMEONE finally said something about it at all.

Yes! The urantia book has been completed, and you may access it here : http://www.urantia.org/ <--You can also download .PDF format for free.
It is about time the World get ahold of this so called "New Age Bible"

Me, and the Father, wants humanity to see this book! Unbelievable!!

A Brief Description of The Urantia Book...

The Urantia Book, first published by Urantia Foundation in 1955, claims to have been presented by celestial beings as a revelation to our planet, Urantia. Many who have read it accept this assertion.

The writings in the Book instruct us on the genesis, history, and destiny of humanity and on our relationship with God the Father. They present a unique and compelling portrayal of the life and teachings of Jesus. They open new vistas of time and eternity to the human spirit, and offer new details of our ascending adventure in a friendly and carefully administered universe.

The Urantia Book offers a clear and concise integration of science, philosophy, and religion. Those who read and study it believe that The Urantia Book has the capacity to make a significant contribution to the religious and philosophical thinking of people worldwide.

The Urantia Book is not a "religion" per se. Its builds upon the religious heritages of the past and present, encouraging a personal, living religious faith.

Readers around the world have told us that reading the Book has profoundly affected them and often changed their lives. It has inspired them to reach new levels of spiritual growth and enhanced their sense of the value of human life.

We encourage you to read it as well, and discover for yourself it's ennobling message.

I think I'll stick with my Bible in it's entirety and not just bits and pieces from it.

Not trying to burst your belief bubble or anything, but - The bible in its entirety, is not correct. Just so you may know.

I have visited that site numerous, numerous times to read the online Urantia Book. I found the history of our planet and the history leading up to modern humans to be extremely interesting. I also found the accounts of how societies and governments on other planets work to also be quite intriguing. I'm not sure that I believe it to be any more true than any other religious theory I've read up on, but I certainly did find it much more informing than other religious texts that I have seen.

Sounds like yet another attempt to reconcile religion, science, and society in one philosophy/religion.

This "11:11 project", Monjoronson, and "Correcting Time" AKA "Teaching Mission" are not part of the mainstream Urantia Book movement. This is part of a fringe group which uses the UB as a base and then claims to be continuing to receive channeled messages in preparation for an "imminently arriving" Magisterial Son. They have been claiming his imminent arrival for several years now, always extending the date of arrival forward when he does not appear as prophesied. Personally, I'll believe it when I see it.

On the other hand, the Urantia Book itself is an amazing document which does indeed attempt to harmonize science, philosophy and religion and I think it does so brilliantly. Of course that's just my opinion. Your mileage may vary.

STEVE MILLER BAND

Not to burst yours, but I find it a little too convienient that all the parts wrong in the Bible are the ones you don't believe in. If any part of the Bible is wrong, then it casts the whole book in doubt. Who are you to determine what is authentic and what is not?

I dont determine anything, for Jesus himself does.

I have no doubt that you, or your sources, have been speaking with spirits. However, Christians are called to test the spirits by examining their teachings about the nature of Christ. In one of your previous 'letters from Jesus', you have denied the divinity of Christ by denying the virgin birth.

You are welcome to believe what you want, and say what you want, but I must respectfully disagree. As a Bible believing Christian, this teaching is enough for me to conclude that the spirit you are labeling as 'Jesus' is an imposter and a liar, he is not the Biblical Jesus as you are claiming him to be. It's not surprising, really, since the Bible tells us that lying is Satan's native language.

"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." - John 8:44 (NIV)

You see, the thing you, and many others do not get, is that there is no Satan, no Sin, and no Hell. Onloy does this exist in our Souls, Minds. To believe in such things are against God, and God wants you to have the Divine Love for all Eternity.
As i have as my signature, is a quote from Jesus himself; "As a matter of fact, I never stayed in the desert for forty days, nor was I tempted by any devil, because there is no such being or entity in all the realm of God except as he exists in the soul of the mortal or spirit creating him in the likeness of his own desires and lusts. "

Everything - even the birth of Christ, was natural. Jesus himself, as spirit, grew up in man form that God himself planned. If anything, Mary was not Mary who came through a medium - for i doubt this claim as well. If Jesus was a natural son, then the only explanation would be that God chose Joseph as the father through a great pattern of natural events, and, therefore Joseph had a particle of God in him which gave birth to Jesus.

Either way it makes total, logical sense.

Another intrigueing message that came was from Mary Magdalene. She claims she was so dearly in love with Jesus and that they had a son.
Once again, another mystery solved - Jesus has a blood line. But the nagging question is who?? She may come through again, or atleast we hope.
The DaVinci Code gives this possibility.

May i refresh all your memories that God is not a spirit, but All as it was, and Is. He is the great creator, and Jesus is his Son.

The time we see Monjoronson - is the time we know God sent another son. For 1000 years he will be here, to correct, and to merge the spirit world with ours, and for the 3rd dimension to transition into the 5th around 2009-2012.

Again, you are welcome to believe what you would like, but you can't toss out Satan without some serious doctrinal errors, without tearing a hole in the heart of the Bible and erasing the reasons for things.

Firstly, to take away Satan and sin, you take away the whole point for Jesus to even come here.

Secondly, I don't think you truly understand what Satan, sin, and Hell represent. They all represent not-God. You see, in order for man to have freewill we have to have a choice. The choice we have been given is between God and not-God. You take away not-God, you take away our choice and our freewill and effectively turn us into robots. Therefore
not-God has to exist. If you take Satan, sin and Hell away, you take away our freewill. What's the point of trying to spread your message if people don't have freewill? We'd all be a bunch of drones anyways, we wouldn't even be able to choose your message over others because we would have no freewill, no choice.

"Satan" - the non-existent entity, only represents the Evil that WE create in our OWN Souls. We manifest it, we create it, and we thrive on it, because to humans with evil in their souls, it is a good thing that they do these acts, for they believe its to their desire. Well, because - IT IS THEIR OWN DESIRE!
He only exists in our own minds. You must wrap your mind around this. No matter how religious you may be.
In the Bible it suggests that Satan was a fallen angel from heaven, and that Jesus talked to him. If you think hard enough, it is just as true to say that evil is a desire, manifested in the mind. Satan is not an entity. Jesus questioned his concious - when he thought of evil, so he talked to himself. The Bible thinks its knows all history - most of it is correct in ways - in the other not so much. This is why Jesus is clearing this up.

We create evil, God did not create evil, God is good, divine, and wants each and every one of his creatures to have his Divine Love. Love God in every way possible, to the best extent. Spread the word about his Love. Help others, and you will save their souls.