If you were on a mission to study the inhabitants of the planet we call earth would you not be interested in the primitive attempts at early space travel. It seems that UFO's have been especially interested in following our space program. Just what do our astronauts know that they aren't talking about ? What did we find when we went to the moon ? The astronauts that returned from the moon seemed to be profoundly changed by the experience. Why did we seemingly abandon our space program following the lunar landings ? Is the answer a lack of interest ? Congress would'nt fund the space program because they perceive a lack of interest and support from the tax-paying voters. The United States used to be the world's largest launcher of commercial satellites but with successive cuts in NASA's funding, disposable launch vehicles stopped being built. Now countries like China, France, and Russia are the main sources for putting satellites into orbit. But why did the Russians not even attempt to go to the moon ? Was being second so bad ? These are all profound questions which I cannot attempt to answer. But let's examine the evidence that has been collected and then each come to our own conclusions.


http://www.ronrecord.com/astronauts/

Read the links posted on the site posted and draw your own conclusions.

Yeah, but which of those stories do you really think wasn't made-up nonsense for the eager-believers?

Let's go about it from the other direction.

Which of those stories you cited do you acknowledge are bogus?

Which of those stories, were not?

Even Astronaut Gordon Cooper, who was outspoken on UFOs, went to the United Nations.

tell me which ones YOU think are made up and then provide the PROOF. thanks.

Mitchell and Cooper are two rational, accomplished representatives of our national space program, two scientifically trained NASA astronauts, disclosing their personal knowledge of the existence of UFOs — yet some will not accept their testimony.

I've only read Mitchell saying other people, whom he believed, had told him of UFO experiences.

You are claiming he had 'personal' experiences with UFOs?

Did I miss that statement by him, or did you misinterpret and misrepresent it?

Has Mitchell ever said that he had a personal UFO experience?

Or are you merely confused?

Was that the UFO that Cooper supposedly observed on his Mercury-9 space mission in 1963? Is that the case you are asking us to accept as credible?

Yes indeed, you are correct. Some people just can't come around to reality.

Would you be so kind as to post past remarks made by Astronaut Ed Mitchell in regards to the Roswell Incident and UFOs.

If I do it, the skeptics would jump all over me, but if you do, then I can say, you posted it.

Mitchell says his research - including conversations with people who have worked in intelligence agencies and military groups - has convinced him that the American government has covered up the truth about UFOs for 50 years. He tried to persuade Congress to grant his sources immunity to tell "the real story" of events such as the so-called Roswell incident - the alleged crash of a flying saucer in New Mexico in 1947.

Well, to start with, every story told by (or attributed to) Maurice Chatelain.

It made for good stories in books he was trying to sell.

Why should anyone believe HIM?

You mention only one source on the site, what about the others:

Aldrin, Edwin Return to Earth, Random House, 1973

Collins, Michael Carrying the fire, Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 1974

and many others..

Why wouldn't they?

Simply writing a book doesn't prove that certain events never happened.

...interesting

Space Shuttle Discovery
March 1989 03/14/89 6:42 EST


"Uh Houston, this is Discovery. We still have the alien spacecraft under (observance)????" (note last word difficult to make out on tape)

The previous statement was recorded by Baltimore resident Donald Ratsch (MUFON member) from a HAM radio rebroadcast between the space shuttle Discovery and Houston ground control. The HAM broadcast was direct from the shuttle without going through the delayed filter used on the officail NASA public feed. The NASA select audio channel did not contain this one way broadcast from the shuttle to ground control. The HAM station making the rebroadcast was WA3NAN Goddard Amatuer Radio Club in Greenbelt, MD transmitting on 147.450 MHZ. Preliminary analysis shows that the voice could be either Michael Coats (Commander) or John E. Blaha (pilot). The recording was sent for further expert voice analysis the results of which are unknown at this time.

tell me which ones YOU think are true and provide PROOF. thanks.

damn, i knew my history text book was fake. ancient civilizations! ha!
thx for opening my eyes jimbo
i should tell my school these people might just be trying to punk us into paying them for false info. although i did like all the stories.

Heh, how funny, I say the same.

Well since you piped up...

tell me which ones YOU think are false and provide PROOF. thanks.


I'll get back to this latter this evening if I get a chance; I have an important meeting to attend shortly.

alex, stop talking about yourself here. were trying to have a discussion.
apparently, some 'cant come around to reality' while others 'cant come around to the possibilities'.

Thanks for repeating your post, very intelligent move.

Heh, I'm sorry, was defending mysleft and other members against a personal attack.

Too much dodging and weaving going on here...

Why should anybody believe stories attributed to this 'Maurice Chatelain' guy?

Can anybody answer a simple question?

Is anybody going to answer this question?

Perhaps, you forgot about my post #9, so here it is again.

"Would you be so kind as to post past remarks made by Astronaut Ed Mitchell in regards to the Roswell Incident and UFOs."

Didn't forget. Saw it. Couldn't believe my eyes. Figured it out as another dodge/weave.

We are talking about astronaut personal experiences.

What are Mitchell's, regarding UFOs (if any)?

What are Cooper's on his spaceflights, Mercury-9 and Gemini-5? If any. If any at all.

You are the one trying to prove they exist.

So far -- as wet a firecracker as your silly 'military coverup' you personally (you sa-a-a-ay) took part in,
that wasn't really a coverup after all.

Sorry, but that comment isn't goin' to get it. You talk of the others, but what about yourself? Now, are you going to comment on the comments make by Astronaut Ed Mitchell on the Roswell Incident and on UFOs?

If you don't want to comment on Astronaut Ed Mitchell's remarks, just say so!

I know that Mitchell believes the Roswell UFO crash is genuine, because people he trusts have told him so.

Doesn't he also believe that Uri Geller has powers to mentally retrieve his (Mitchell's) lost jewely and teleport those items into his (Mitchell's) lap?

Oh, and he also believes that he successfully demonstrated telepathic communication during his Apollo-14 moon mission -- do you believe that?

Once again, you are trying to push that old "psychology thing" on us again. Uri Geller, is irrelavant and by calling him on the scene is just an attack on the crediblity of Astronaut Ed Mitchell. It's is an old trick of a typical UFO debunker that I have dealt with for many years now, so you must remember, many of us were not born yesterday, James!

I wonder what Astronaut Mitchell would say if He saw what you posted about him?

Since I also have been posting over at Mitchell's own discussion forum
http://www.edmitchellapollo14.com/phpBB2/index.php
why not go and look?

By 'He' I presume you meant to type 'he' for Mitchell, not 'He' for God....
hee hee....

That is some god stuff. Straight to the point.

Let me reword this for you. "I can't prove all of these stories are fake, so I will turn this around, and tell you to prove to me they are real. Yeah, that will get them."

You cannot just obsolve yourself of any responsibility, which is what you are trying to do with a statement like this.

If you, say, offered me a dozen aggs for sale, and i looked in the box and said,
'That one smells funny -- it's rotten,', and you said "No, it's good," and I broke
it open and it was rotten, should i still buy the other eleven based on your
assurances?

Suppose I pointed to a second, with the same results, and a third -- each time you
said, 'oh, that egg is perfect', and upon breaking it open, it turned out to be rotten.

There are nine eggs left. How many more should I be expected to check before chucking the carton
and looking elsewhere?

So you have presented a collection of astronaut UFO stories. Some of them obviously stink. Shall
we start checking?

First off, the story that Gordon Cooper saw a UFO on his Mercury-9 flight.

Bunk. Never happened. Cooper himself denies it.

Second off, the stories from Maurice chatelain about 'Santa claus' code words
during moon flights.

Bunk. Never happened. chatelain made that up. along with the parts about him being
some sort of 'NASA communications expert' inside Mission Control during the flights.

Third off, the 'bogey' on Gemini-7 referred to by Frank Borman. It's supposed to
be a UFO swooping in on them.

Bunk. As Borman himself makes clear whenever asked, he was joking about the
first-in-Gemini-history successful rendezvous in orbit, with a target satellite.

OK, there are your three rotten eggs. Do you contest that characterization?

Next, how many more eggs, that YOU promised were all good, do we need to check,
before realizing that your word for their 'goodness' is worthless?

Are you trying to tell me you never got paid to write any of your books? Assuming you did, why should anyone believe you?

Just illustrating a point because there is nothing wrong with getting paid for your work, but you can't discredit someone based on the fact they got paid.

Good egg analogy. If all we have to believe your discredits of these stories is your word, then that doesn't cut. But if you can prove that they are just stories, that is fine too. But what is silly is calling out to prove that some are real, BEFORE you could even suggest some were not real stories. That is the point.

Keep your eyes on the ball in play. His stories are not worthy of belief because he wasn't even in the official position that is claimed for him. He was nowhere near the Apollo program during the moon flights. The companies he claimed to have worked for confirmed this in writing a long, long time ago, and would do so again if you wanted to ask them.

Why there?!

How about here!

http://www.ufoevidence.org/researchers/detail44.htm

I understand. But when you say he was just out to sell books, and say "why should we believe him?" It tends to lump all stories that are out of the ordinary, that are in books, into the same category which is just someone trying to sell books.

Certainly a qualified person, I would say. I know this is on a pro-UFO website, but I would not expect testimony from someone of this experience to reitterated by a UFO debunker. Just ignored or attempts of debunking his credentials.

Point granted. What I was thinking of, and expressing poorly, was that there exists a pre-defined audience for these kinds of stories and they will buy just about any books and videos on the subject, with the right spin. That's why I'm so amused by Clark McClelland's whine on his home page that the publishing industry doesn't have the 'courage' to publish HIS book because of its startling contents.

Well, if it's only a matter of collecting the opinions of astronauts and averaging them out (they are all equally qualified, i presume you agree), why not do that and forego independent investigation entirely?

Mitchell's knowledge of UFOs, he is the first to admit, is entirely second hand.

So are there any alleged first-hand astronaut opinions on UFOs that we should pay attention to, and why?

Just a thing- We never have been on the moon. I watched a whole movie. I Lost the link, but if you search YOU *CAN* find it. It explains how going to the moon was tricked. It was the war between Americans and Russians and they believed, the first to reach the moon would win the war. So Americans made a movie, and then aired them on TV, and so they falsely ''claimed'' the moon.

Search on Google, and you can find the video. Try on Youtube as well. This video is NOT a hoax, I swear upon god.
I will put the link.

As for the actual Subject, I do believe that, there are astronauts who saw them from a space station. That, I'm sure.

Thanks, I couldn't have characterized the UFO eager-believer mindset any better if I'd made up that quotation myself.

never able to see stars from the lunar surface


UFOs are either bright or 'invisible', so no stars means no UFOs either.

Its not too important if astronauts see UFOs or not.

It is interesting because I don't prefer to read books like I presume you are referring to. I like to hear the stories, but I would rather it be presented to me by someone else. If someone has a story they will explain that story to the best of their ability, but within the realm of what they believed to have happened. I guess I just don't like to feel like the information is being forced upon me.

I don't sense any compulsion, either, just narrators speaking from their own experience base and world view. That's why outside commentators -- even skeptical critics -- seem useful to determining what most likely happened.

Im sorry, but that was just too funny.

Or was it sad, Im not sure!?

Anyway, speaking about astronauts seeing UFOs. Buzz. Remember this..."Documentary" "Buzz Aldrin saw a UFO in on the way to the moon" when the spacecraft was a couple thousand miles out on July 16.

Could it have been an alien spaceship following Apollo 11, yes, but the most likely explanation is that it was a piece of the SLA (Spacecraft/LM Adapter), one of 4 panels that had been jettisoned prior to transposition and docking shortly after TLI.

Buzz has talked about it since Apollo 11, but Mike never made a big deal about it, and Neil recently gave information to his biographer regarding this thing.

But people take Buzzs remarks...or I should say, some people, and make a big UFO/aliens deal about them.

They did observe a flashing object some distance away, an object which they never worried about, but were curious about, and one which they couldnt make any detail out concerning, save a slightly rectangular shape which appeared to flash rythmically.

Thus, it was a UFO, technically speaking.

What the UFO crazys never mention is that Buzz, in talking about it, specifically said that they didnt mention it on the public loop, because "the UFO nuts would go crazy".

Neil considered almost immediately that it might be the S4B, or a LM housing panel, which is why he subtly asked Houston about the position of the S4B, without mentioning what they were observing.

Buzz Aldrins response to this "documentary"...



But then again, we all know how these things work, who gives a rats ass about panels or the S4B when we can have the second man on the moon watching real aliens in space

Right, Haz!
Who gives a rat's ass???

Buzz saw an alien craft. Case closed. Those who want to believe will take this as gospel and deposit in their intellectual bank (although I am wondering just how many neural net connections are utterly fried as a result of such disciplined rigor).


Jeez, how old is that one?!

We have clearly stopped natural selection. What have we done!?

WoW!



If I were the 6th man to walk on the moon, a true hero, I wouldnt go public with that claim without hard evidence to back my storie. But then again, Ed also said that a teenage remote healer who lives in Vancouver helped heal him of kidney cancer at a distance.(!)

Dont tell me that doesnt damage his credibility, thats a blind faith believer if I ever seen one.

I suspect it's more like we've lowered the standards in education...not a good thing to have done.

What amuses me is the "we've never gone to the moon" notion followed quickly by the "astronauts see UFOs on their missions" notion. Sheesh, if space travel has been routinely *faked* then how are these 'fake astronauts' seeing UFOs on their 'fake missions'?