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Abdullah
The Words of The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings upon him) about PEACE

Inscribed on the hilt of the Prophet's sword: 'Forgive him who wrongs you; join him who cuts you off; do good to him who does evil to you, and speak the truth although it be against yourself.'

Prophet Mohammed said: Faith is a restraint against all violence, let no Mu'min(believer) commit violence.

Prophet Mohammed said: Truly God instructs me to be humble and lowly and not proud, and no one should oppress others.

Prophet Mohammed said:Every religion has a distinctive virtue, and the distinctive virtue of Islam is modesty.

Prophet Mohammed said:Anyone who walks with a wrong doer in order to strengthen him knowing all the while that he is a wrong doer, has departed from Islam.

Prophet Mohammed said: Deal gently with the people, and be not harsh; cheer them and condemn them not.

Prophet Mohammed said:A perfect Muslim is one from whose tongue and hands mankind is safe, and a true emigrant [muhajir] is one who flees from what God has forbidden.

Prophet Mohammed said: The best of God’s servants are those who, when seen, remind one of God; and the worst of God’s servants are those who carry tales about to do mischief and separate friends, and seek for the defects of the good.

Prophet Mohammed said: Whoever believes in one God and the hereafter, should speak what is good or remain silent.

Prophet Mohammed said:All Muslims are as one person. If one complains of a pain in the head, the whole body complains; and if the eye complains, the whole body complains.

Prophet Mohammed said: The exercise of religious duties will not atone for the fault of an abusive tongue. A person cannot be a Muslim till his heart
and tongue are so.


Prophet Mohammed said:The best jihad (lit. striving) is a just word before a tyrannical authority.



Prophet Mohammed said: God's kindness towards His creatures is more than a mother's towards her babe.

Prophet Mohammed said: We were with the Prophet on a journey, and some men stood up repeating aloud, 'God is most great;' and the Prophet said, 'O men, be easy on yourselves and do not distress yourselves by raising your voices; truly, you do not call to one deaf or absent, but truly to one who hears and sees; and He is with you; and He to whom you pray is nearer to you than the neck of your camel.’

Prophet Mohammed said: The most beloved in the sight of God, on the day of resurrection, and the nearest to Him, in regard to position, shall be the just leader; and the most hateful of men in the sight of God on the day of resurrection, and the farthest removed form Him, shall be the tyrannical leader.

Prophet Mohammed said: You will not enter paradise until you have faith; and you will not complete your faith, till you love one another.

Prophet Mohammed said: A man asked, 'O Prophet of God! What is faith?' The Prophet said, 'When your good work gives you pleasure, and your evil work grieves you, and you are a person of faith.' The man said, 'And what is sin?' he said, 'When anything disturbs you within yourself, forsake it.'

Prophet Mohammed said: If you rely upon God as He ought to be relied upon, He will provide you as He provides the birds; they go out empty and hungry in the morning and come back big-bellied at eventide.

Prophet Mohammed said: What actions are most excellent? To gladden the heart of a human being, to feed the hungry, to help the afflicted, to lighten the sorrow of the sorrowful, and to remove the wrongs of the injured.

Prophet Mohammed said: The best of people is one from whom good accrues to humanity.

Prophet Mohammed said: The proud will not enter paradise, nor a violent speaker.

Prophet Mohammed said: An adulteress was pardoned, who passed by a dog at a well holding out his tongue from thirst which was nearly killing him; for she took off her short boot and tied it to her wrapper, and pulled water for him; so was she pardoned for that. It was asked, 'Shall we then have any reward for (our behavior to) the animals?' 'There are rewards' said the Prophet, 'for all endowed with fresh and tender hearts.'

Prophet Mohammed said: Do not exceed bounds in praising me; I am only the Lord's servant; then call me the servant of God and His messenger.
Source: The Saheeh Hadith Books
Peace And Blessings Be Upon The Messenger Of God Mohammed ibn Abdullah grin2.gif
1.618
QUOTE(Abdullah @ Sep 7 2007, 12:18 PM) *
The Words of The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings upon him) about PEACE

Inscribed on the hilt of the Prophet's sword: 'Forgive him who wrongs you; join him who cuts you off; do good to him who does evil to you, and speak the truth although it be against yourself.'

Prophet Mohammed said: Faith is a restraint against all violence, let no Mu'min(believer) commit violence.

Prophet Mohammed said: Truly God instructs me to be humble and lowly and not proud, and no one should oppress others.

Prophet Mohammed said:Every religion has a distinctive virtue, and the distinctive virtue of Islam is modesty.

Prophet Mohammed said:Anyone who walks with a wrong doer in order to strengthen him knowing all the while that he is a wrong doer, has departed from Islam.

Prophet Mohammed said: Deal gently with the people, and be not harsh; cheer them and condemn them not.

Prophet Mohammed said:A perfect Muslim is one from whose tongue and hands mankind is safe, and a true emigrant [muhajir] is one who flees from what God has forbidden.

Prophet Mohammed said: The best of God’s servants are those who, when seen, remind one of God; and the worst of God’s servants are those who carry tales about to do mischief and separate friends, and seek for the defects of the good.

Prophet Mohammed said: Whoever believes in one God and the hereafter, should speak what is good or remain silent.

Prophet Mohammed said:All Muslims are as one person. If one complains of a pain in the head, the whole body complains; and if the eye complains, the whole body complains.

Prophet Mohammed said: The exercise of religious duties will not atone for the fault of an abusive tongue. A person cannot be a Muslim till his heart
and tongue are so.


Prophet Mohammed said:The best jihad (lit. striving) is a just word before a tyrannical authority.



Prophet Mohammed said: God's kindness towards His creatures is more than a mother's towards her babe.

Prophet Mohammed said: We were with the Prophet on a journey, and some men stood up repeating aloud, 'God is most great;' and the Prophet said, 'O men, be easy on yourselves and do not distress yourselves by raising your voices; truly, you do not call to one deaf or absent, but truly to one who hears and sees; and He is with you; and He to whom you pray is nearer to you than the neck of your camel.’

Prophet Mohammed said: The most beloved in the sight of God, on the day of resurrection, and the nearest to Him, in regard to position, shall be the just leader; and the most hateful of men in the sight of God on the day of resurrection, and the farthest removed form Him, shall be the tyrannical leader.

Prophet Mohammed said: You will not enter paradise until you have faith; and you will not complete your faith, till you love one another.

Prophet Mohammed said: A man asked, 'O Prophet of God! What is faith?' The Prophet said, 'When your good work gives you pleasure, and your evil work grieves you, and you are a person of faith.' The man said, 'And what is sin?' he said, 'When anything disturbs you within yourself, forsake it.'

Prophet Mohammed said: If you rely upon God as He ought to be relied upon, He will provide you as He provides the birds; they go out empty and hungry in the morning and come back big-bellied at eventide.

Prophet Mohammed said: What actions are most excellent? To gladden the heart of a human being, to feed the hungry, to help the afflicted, to lighten the sorrow of the sorrowful, and to remove the wrongs of the injured.

Prophet Mohammed said: The best of people is one from whom good accrues to humanity.

Prophet Mohammed said: The proud will not enter paradise, nor a violent speaker.

Prophet Mohammed said: An adulteress was pardoned, who passed by a dog at a well holding out his tongue from thirst which was nearly killing him; for she took off her short boot and tied it to her wrapper, and pulled water for him; so was she pardoned for that. It was asked, 'Shall we then have any reward for (our behavior to) the animals?' 'There are rewards' said the Prophet, 'for all endowed with fresh and tender hearts.'

Prophet Mohammed said: Do not exceed bounds in praising me; I am only the Lord's servant; then call me the servant of God and His messenger.
Source: The Saheeh Hadith Books
Peace And Blessings Be Upon The Messenger Of God Mohammed ibn Abdullah grin2.gif


'Inscribed on the hilt of the Prophet's sword: 'Forgive him who wrongs you; join him who cuts you off; do good to him who does evil to you, and speak the truth although it be against yourself.'
maybe mohamed meant it as a joke. you did say it was on his sword!
Abdullah
QUOTE(1.618 @ Sep 7 2007, 01:24 PM) *
'Inscribed on the hilt of the Prophet's sword: 'Forgive him who wrongs you; join him who cuts you off; do good to him who does evil to you, and speak the truth although it be against yourself.'
maybe mohamed meant it as a joke. you did say it was on his sword!


The Prophet was a man of justice its a Moral he meant it justly , he fought only those who fought against him or broke peace treaties
1.618
QUOTE(Abdullah @ Sep 7 2007, 12:27 PM) *
The Prophet was a man of justice its a Moral he meant it justly , he fought only those who fought against him or broke peace treaties


do you think mohamed had a sense of humour? no disrespect.
Abdullah
QUOTE(1.618 @ Sep 7 2007, 01:28 PM) *
do you think mohamed had a sense of humour? no disrespect.


Yes the prophet peace be upon him liked to laugh and to be friendly there are certain narrations about some of the humor of the prophet but the prophet spoke always the truth even when he joked with people

if you are interested i can post some narrations about the prophets sense of humor grin2.gif
Abdullah
QUOTE(1.618 @ Sep 7 2007, 01:28 PM) *
do you think mohamed had a sense of humour? no disrespect.



examples :

It is reported that the Prophet was asked by his companions : "You are joking with us." He said, "But I never say anything but the truth."
[Authentically reported in Sahih Bukhari]


A man came to the Prophet (sallallahu alayhe wa sallam) to ask him to give him a beast to ride. The Prophet jokingly told him, "I will give you the offspring of a she-camel to ride." He said, "O Messenger of Allah , what will I do with the offspring of a she-camel?" The Prophet said: "Are riding-camels born except from she-camels?" [Reported by Imaam Ahmad, Abu Dawud and al-Tirmidhi, with a Sahih isnad.]
libra II
When a man or woman completes the Greater Jihad, then he or she knows LOVE as well as that person knows GRACE.
Now, how can such a person possibly be concerned about anything else but LOVE, PEACE, and all the other wonderful things that go along with them in order to help ALL people to understand that they have to love and help each other in order to get it right.

The Quran says something like "Give your enemy the Quran to read and let him go", nothing about tons of other books that would break the spirit of a poor donkey which has no choice but to do it's job, whether it likes it or not.

LOVE IS the answer, folks.

When the young woman gives birth to her own mistress, then you will see the flower grow.
P.Nomenon
I totally agree with Abdullah,

the prophet Muhammad was a pious and righteous man. Muhammad founded and promulgated one of the world's great religions, and became an immensely effective political leader. Today, thirteen centuries after his death, his influence is still powerful and pervasive. Thats why he was ranked the worlds most influential person in Micheal Hart's book.
libra II
QUOTE(Ronon Dex @ Sep 10 2007, 03:09 AM) *
I totally agree with Abdullah,

the prophet Muhammad was a pious and righteous man. Muhammad founded and promulgated one of the world's great religions, and became an immensely effective political leader. Today, thirteen centuries after his death, his influence is still powerful and pervasive. Thats why he was ranked the worlds most influential person in Micheal Hart's book.



Muhammed realy was among the greatest of them all. I love him. I have nothing bad to say about him, but there are those who would have other things to say
Abdullah
QUOTE(libra II @ Sep 10 2007, 03:17 AM) *
Muhammed realy was among the greatest of them all. I love him. I have nothing bad to say about him, but there are those who would have other things to say



its good to see some respect towards Prophet Mohammed saws on this forum , peace
ships-cat
QUOTE(Abdullah @ Sep 7 2007, 12:27 PM) *
The Prophet was a man of justice its a Moral he meant it justly , he fought only those who fought against him or broke peace treaties


No, I disagree. Mohemmed spread his 'recitations' by military force. You say he only fought those who 'fought against him or broke treaties'. Yes, they fought against him when he invaded their countries or tribal homelands. Tribes and nations resisting the Islamic onslaught often 'broke treaties' because the treaties made them slaves. (look at the treaty of Mecca: it basicly said "you have 3 months to convert to Islam: after that we kill you all".) Some treaty. Some peace.

Islam is a religion of military conquest and imperialism. During his lifetime, the Phrophet personaly instigated - and often led - two dozen or more battles, ultimately conquering the entire Arabian peninsula (and bits of Persia ??) . Subsequent to that, the Islamic armies conquered as far afield as Turkey, bits of Africa, and Spain. (They would likely have conquered France where it not for the French general Martel).

Islam - from a purely historical perspective - is the most political and violent religion in recorded history.

Meow Purr.
Abdullah
QUOTE(ships-cat @ Sep 10 2007, 02:53 PM) *
No, I disagree. Mohemmed spread his 'recitations' by military force. You say he only fought those who 'fought against him or broke treaties'. Yes, they fought against him when he invaded their countries or tribal homelands. Tribes and nations resisting the Islamic onslaught often 'broke treaties' because the treaties made them slaves. (look at the treaty of Mecca: it basicly said "you have 3 months to convert to Islam: after that we kill you all".) Some treaty. Some peace.

Islam is a religion of military conquest and imperialism. During his lifetime, the Phrophet personaly instigated - and often led - two dozen or more battles, ultimately conquering the entire Arabian peninsula (and bits of Persia ??) . Subsequent to that, the Islamic armies conquered as far afield as Turkey, bits of Africa, and Spain. (They would likely have conquered France where it not for the French general Martel).

Islam - from a purely historical perspective - is the most political and violent religion in recorded history.

Meow Purr.



Prophet Mohammed never attacked other countries it would have been intelligent to study history first and then comment on it , Prophet Mohammed tried to coexistence peacefully with the pagans , but they tried to assassinate him , to murder his followers , they were oppressed , they werent allowed to pray and so on , and the pagans plotted against the prophet , they started a war against the prophet and the prophet fought back , but your claims about imperialism and a foreign agenda , were never preached by prophet mohammed nor by the Holy Quran , the leaders after the prophet mohammed they might have attacked other countries , but you cant blame the prophet for what they did , even today many people go against the teachings of the prophet and go against the commands of the Holy Quran , they are misguided and Islam is totally innocent from their actions , ( Persia was invaded after the death of prophet Mohammed by Caliph Omar , you cant name me one Hadith nor Quranic verse that justifies the attacks on foreign countries , like i said Omar attacked Persia not prophet Mohammed , Islam doesnt teach imperialism nor does it teach to oppress minorities , or to convert their countries ,

There is no compulsion in religion. True guidance has become clearly distinct from error. (Qur'an, 2:256)

"Call to the way of your Lord with wisdom and fair admonition..." (Qur'an, 16:125) <<< not with the Sword or Imperial agenda's


Examples :


Islam emphasized that a person's belief in Islam or his rejecting to believe in it is a matter that depends upon man's free will and his sincere conviction. This is stated in the following Quranic verse: "Let him who will, believe, and let him who will, reject (it) ". (18/129) God, in the verses of the Quran, drew the Prophet's attention to this fact and emphasized that he was only a messenger whose duty was only to relate the Divine Message and that he had no authority to force people into conforming to Islam. This is clearly expressed in the following Quaranic verses: "Will you then compel mankind, against their will, to believe!"(10/99) "You are not one to manage (men's) affairs". (88/10)" If then they turn away, We have not sent you as a guard over them. Your duty is but to convey (The Message)". (42/48).The aforementioned verses make it clear that Holy Book of the Muslims definitely prohibits forcing anyone to follow the Faith of Islam.

Sir Thomas Arnold stated that the Christian tribe of Al Jarajma that dwelt near to Antioch was at peace with the Muslims vowed to be their allies during peace and that in the event of war, they would fight side with them providing that they be exempted from paying the tribute. 4 Fighting in the cause of God in order to acquire the spoils of war is prohibited in Islam and is considered a crime. The Prophet was once asked about his opinion of a person who fights in the cause of God in order to acquire the spoils of war. He answered: "He is denied the divine reward". He repeated this statement twice, thus uttering it three times in order to emphasize it




The Prophet was once asked about his opinion of a person who fights in the cause of God in order to acquire the spoils of war. He answered: "He is denied the divine reward". He repeated this statement twice, thus uttering it three times in order to emphasize it
EmpressStarXVII
You're wasting your breath, Abdullah.
eqgumby
Again, you are not posting anything to discuss, but "preaching" the virtues of your religion. Also, you are assuming that these ancient writings are accurate and factual, the same as many Christians or any other religion does.

Unfortunately, Islam has a bloody history like most religions, due to the influence of individuals and politics, and the goals of man-kind versus the goals of any God, be he/she Allah, Jehovah, God, or any of the many.
hetrodoxly
QUOTE(Abdullah @ Sep 7 2007, 12:18 PM) *
The Words of The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings upon him) about PEACE


Source: The Saheeh Hadith Books
Peace And Blessings Be Upon The Messenger Of God Mohammed ibn Abdullah grin2.gif

Quran:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
eqgumby
QUOTE(hetrodoxly @ Sep 10 2007, 12:54 PM) *
Quran:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

The bigger implication here is that there will not be "peace" until all believe.
zandore
QUOTE(Abdullah @ Sep 10 2007, 11:39 AM) *
There is no compulsion in religion. True guidance has become clearly distinct from error. (Qur'an, 2:256)


The Prophet was once asked about his opinion of a person who fights in the cause of God in order to acquire the spoils of war. He answered: "He is denied the divine reward". He repeated this statement twice, thus uttering it three times in order to emphasize it


2:216
Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.
Abdullah
QUOTE(EmpressStarXVII @ Sep 10 2007, 06:18 PM) *
You're wasting your breath, Abdullah.


Any breath or second i spend to defend the honor of our beloved Prophet , is a blessed one , but i agree with you some people simply wont understand their hatred makes them blind ,
Magnatude
Yes, some people have a hard time understanding the era of Mohammed's emergence, With every Prophet, one must also investigate the history surrounding the territory. As also with Christian faith, most Christians (I hope) understand the world that surrounded Jesus at the time as it is vital in understanding why Jesus did certain things and acted in certain ways.

I too had to take a broad step into accepting Mohammed as a Prophet.

Thanks to Abdullah for taking his time to help those understand more about the Islamic Faith (and not the extremists we see way too much on TV). Christians had their own dark era and have their own extremists to deal with (remember the IRA? extremist bombings in England)

I only hope that extremists finally realize that killing is not the answer.
InHuman
It dosn't matter whether he was a good man, or a false prophet, or whatever, TODAY his words are being misinterpted and many of his followers are uneducated...thats what happens when you organize relegion..look at what happened to Christianity.
Magnatude
QUOTE(InHuman @ Sep 10 2007, 07:33 PM) *
It dosn't matter whether he was a good man, or a false prophet, or whatever, TODAY his words are being misinterpted and many of his followers are uneducated...thats what happens when you organize relegion..look at what happened to Christianity.



True, but there are some great "Christians" that try to love people as they love themselves. They may or may not be affiliated with any "Religion" they may be just good people that help others out. As this example: Just because I believe in the teachings of Christ and I attempt follow them doesn't instantly put me in anyones religion.
Abdullah
QUOTE(hetrodoxly @ Sep 10 2007, 07:54 PM) *
Quran:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
<< during wartime yes ,

{ فَإِذَا ٱنسَلَخَ ٱلأَشْهُرُ ٱلْحُرُمُ فَٱقْتُلُواْ ٱلْمُشْرِكِينَ حَيْثُ وَجَدتُّمُوهُمْ وَخُذُوهُمْ وَٱحْصُرُوهُمْ وَٱقْعُدُواْ لَهُمْ كُلَّ مَرْصَدٍ فَإِن تَابُواْ وَأَقَامُواْ ٱلصَّلاَةَ وَآتَوُاْ ٱلزَّكَاةَ فَخَلُّواْ سَبِيلَهُمْ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ }

Then, when the sacred months have passed - that is, [at] the end of the period of deferment - slay the idolaters wherever you find them, be it during a lawful [period] or a sacred [one], and take them, captive, and confine them, to castles and forts, until they have no choice except [being put to] death or [acceptance of] Islam; and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush, [at every] route that they use (kulla, 'every', is in the accusative because a [preceding] genitive-taking preposition has been removed).2 But if they repent, of unbelief, and establish prayer and pay the alms, then leave their way free, and do not interfere with them. God is Forgiving, Merciful, to those who repent. << Tafsir explaination 9:5

dont take it out of context it doesnt mean during normal situations, in wartime yes
hetrodoxly
QUOTE(Abdullah @ Sep 11 2007, 11:54 AM) *
<< during wartime yes ,

{ فَإِذَا ٱنسَلَخَ ٱلأَشْهُرُ ٱلْحُرُمُ فَٱقْتُلُواْ ٱلْمُشْرِكِينَ حَيْثُ وَجَدتُّمُوهُمْ وَخُذُوهُمْ وَٱحْصُرُوهُمْ وَٱقْعُدُواْ لَهُمْ كُلَّ مَرْصَدٍ فَإِن تَابُواْ وَأَقَامُواْ ٱلصَّلاَةَ وَآتَوُاْ ٱلزَّكَاةَ فَخَلُّواْ سَبِيلَهُمْ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ }

Then, when the sacred months have passed - that is, [at] the end of the period of deferment - slay the idolaters wherever you find them, be it during a lawful [period] or a sacred [one], and take them, captive, and confine them, to castles and forts, until they have no choice except [being put to] death or [acceptance of] Islam; and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush, [at every] route that they use (kulla, 'every', is in the accusative because a [preceding] genitive-taking preposition has been removed).2 But if they repent, of unbelief, and establish prayer and pay the alms, then leave their way free, and do not interfere with them. God is Forgiving, Merciful, to those who repent. << Tafsir explaination 9:5

dont take it out of context it doesnt mean during normal situations, in wartime yes

It's not taken out of context, convert to Islam or we Kill you?
Abdullah
QUOTE(hetrodoxly @ Sep 11 2007, 07:40 PM) *
It's not taken out of context, convert to Islam or we Kill you?


thanks for the absurd claim , but no in Islam its not allowed to force someone to convert if a person does this unislamic act he commits a sin and the person his conversion wont be accepted if you would do a little research about the islamic faith you would know this ,

There is no compulsion in religion. True guidance has become clearly distinct from error. (Qur'an, 2:256)


So remind them! You are only a reminder. You are not in control of them. (Qur'an, 88:21-22)

"Call to the way of your Lord with wisdom and fair admonition..." (Qur'an, 16:125) << not with the sword and not by force ,

any person that claims to be a muslim and goes against the Quran commits kufr(disbelief)

the verse you posted is about warfare not about normal situations , this verse is used by many kuffar and taken out of context just to spread their lies and hatred towards islam , people should learn to read and study a matter first before they judge ,
EmpressStarXVII
QUOTE(Abdullah @ Sep 11 2007, 06:54 AM) *
<< during wartime yes ,

{ فَإِذَا ٱنسَلَخَ ٱلأَشْهُرُ ٱلْحُرُمُ فَٱقْتُلُواْ ٱلْمُشْرِكِينَ حَيْثُ وَجَدتُّمُوهُمْ وَخُذُوهُمْ وَٱحْصُرُوهُمْ وَٱقْعُدُواْ لَهُمْ كُلَّ مَرْصَدٍ فَإِن تَابُواْ وَأَقَامُواْ ٱلصَّلاَةَ وَآتَوُاْ ٱلزَّكَاةَ فَخَلُّواْ سَبِيلَهُمْ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ }

Then, when the sacred months have passed - that is, [at] the end of the period of deferment - slay the idolaters wherever you find them, be it during a lawful [period] or a sacred [one], and take them, captive, and confine them, to castles and forts, until they have no choice except [being put to] death or [acceptance of] Islam; and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush, [at every] route that they use (kulla, 'every', is in the accusative because a [preceding] genitive-taking preposition has been removed).2 But if they repent, of unbelief, and establish prayer and pay the alms, then leave their way free, and do not interfere with them. God is Forgiving, Merciful, to those who repent. << Tafsir explaination 9:5

dont take it out of context it doesnt mean during normal situations, in wartime yes


I have tried explaining this, Abdullah. rolleyes.gif.
Abdullah
QUOTE(EmpressStarXVII @ Sep 11 2007, 08:41 PM) *
I have tried explaining this, Abdullah. rolleyes.gif.



yes but unfortunately for them i am not ignorant about my religion i know my religion very well , so i refute their claims easily , its up to them if they want to learn or not , or to understand or not , Masalama
Bill Hill

QUOTE(Abdullah @ Sep 11 2007, 07:46 PM) *
yes but unfortunately for them i am not ignorant about my religion i know my religion very well , so i refute their claims easily , its up to them if they want to learn or not , or to understand or not , Masalama


So, you live in the Netherlands. And not a muslim country... nuff said.
Abdullah
QUOTE(billyhill @ Sep 11 2007, 09:20 PM) *
So, you live in the Netherlands. And not a muslim country... nuff said.


yes my family lives here , any problems with that?
hetrodoxly
QUOTE(Abdullah @ Sep 11 2007, 07:36 PM) *
thanks for the absurd claim , but no in Islam its not allowed to force someone to convert if a person does this unislamic act he commits a sin and the person his conversion wont be accepted if you would do a little research about the islamic faith you would know this ,

There is no compulsion in religion. True guidance has become clearly distinct from error. (Qur'an, 2:256)


So remind them! You are only a reminder. You are not in control of them. (Qur'an, 88:21-22)

"Call to the way of your Lord with wisdom and fair admonition..." (Qur'an, 16:125) << not with the sword and not by force ,

any person that claims to be a muslim and goes against the Quran commits kufr(disbelief)

the verse you posted is about warfare not about normal situations , this verse is used by many kuffar and taken out of context just to spread their lies and hatred towards islam , people should learn to read and study a matter first before they judge ,

Your a typical arrogant muslim, How come Islam has had so many wars if it's a peaceful religion?
Pandora7321
QUOTE(eqgumby @ Sep 10 2007, 01:31 PM) *
Again, you are not posting anything to discuss, but "preaching" the virtues of your religion. Also, you are assuming that these ancient writings are accurate and factual, the same as many Christians or any other religion does.

Unfortunately, Islam has a bloody history like most religions, due to the influence of individuals and politics, and the goals of man-kind versus the goals of any God, be he/she Allah, Jehovah, God, or any of the many.


Agreed! Well said!
dier-erdna
why dont any body follow what the profet muhamed or jesus say learn from your religons. and im speaking to the ones that are abusing the learnings on both sides disgust.gif
als1618
Wow,I thought Islam was more of a warlike religion.
Abdullah
QUOTE(als1618 @ Sep 12 2007, 12:01 AM) *
Wow,I thought Islam was more of a warlike religion.


To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to defend themselves), because they are wronged - and verily, Allah is Most Powerful to give them victory - 22:39-40

"Fight in the cause of Allah against those who fight against you, but do not transgress limits. Lo! Allah loves not aggressors. Quran


odas
QUOTE(hetrodoxly @ Sep 11 2007, 05:26 PM) *
Your a typical arrogant muslim, How come Islam has had so many wars if it's a peaceful religion?


The same way Christianity preaches to turn the other cheek - but then again they were so many wars in the name of christianity that there was no time to turn the other cheek.
hetrodoxly
QUOTE(odas @ Sep 12 2007, 03:27 PM) *
The same way Christianity preaches to turn the other cheek - but then again they were so many wars in the name of christianity that there was no time to turn the other cheek.

Yes, christians USED TO BE right brutal b@$7@rds

dlv
QUOTE(Abdullah @ Sep 7 2007, 11:18 AM) *
Prophet Mohammed About Peace And Humanity

Prophets, saints, mystics, shamans, they all speak of lofty ideas. No single one has a monopoly on "deep," abstract concepts, even if their followers try to make it so. And people, of all religions, get confused because of culture and lifestyle. We are divided in this sense, and PERHAPS, it will be in futures to come on this planet we call Earth. I, on the other hand, love my lifestyle and American culture and the sandy beaches and the benefits of living in this country. There is no perfect country, but my spot in America is my paradise on Earth for many reasons. Practically everything about it is what it should be. And one could only be grateful to God, and my God knows I'm truly grateful to be in America. It is the center of the world, after all. There is no confusion there, absolutely.
Darkwind
I don't see were any of the Abrahamic religions are all that peaceful, seeing all the fighting that has gone on and is still going on in the Middle East. But then we Pagans have a long history of warrior cultures. Pagans didn't fight over religion, they fought for land and resources.
eqgumby
QUOTE(Darkwind @ Sep 13 2007, 12:26 AM) *
I don't see were any of the Abrahamic religions are all that peaceful, seeing all the fighting that has gone on and is still going on in the Middle East. But then we Pagans have a long history of warrior cultures. Pagans didn't fight over religion, they fought for land and resources.

Resources...like fresh BABY! laugh.gif

I tend to agree here too Dark. I think it's human nature, and most if not all religions justify war and warrior behavior. That's why I roll my eyes at detractors of the Old Testament and their whining about how violent it was. I'm like, "DUH! It was ancient history, when people fought over little patches of land and married cousins in their little family tribe! Duh!" It just can't be compared to or related to the here and now. I'm sure your Pagan roots are similar in many ways. I just don't imagine you don your leather armor, strap on your giant mace and war-axe when you go out grocery shopping! But people act like because ancient Pagans did it, YOU must automatically support it. Silly, isn't it?
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