Hasn't Zecharia Sitchin and his book been completely debunked?

Or is this just some kind of lame viral marketing to sell his book?

Actually it is very clearly stated that Nephilim (their descendants) were large, making people look like "grasshoppers"

was wondering what that was

Umm, from what I've read that description best fits the Ophanim, not a Nephilim.

Whatever it all means, I have my own views on these matters, all detailed in my own book. I will though deign to share them with anyone on here, because I will doubtless get torn to shreds along with some of the other members. What I will though say is that if you wish to be treated with respect by others, then you must first treat others with respect, and this does not mean hurling abuse at them or calling them names - these are playground tactics designed to cover up your own fears and insecurities (perhaps those who post such comments are projecting what they feel about themselves onto others?). I have never come across a site where such behaviour is allowed, and this, truth be told is the reason that I have only just posted after lurking on here for nearly a year. We would never have allowed such behaviour on the sites that I have worked on - where are the moderating team and why are they not doing their jobs ?

If you want to attract new members and allow them to make a contribution, then I would respectfully suggest that things around here need to change.

June

The moderating team are alive and kicking and doing a superb job actually. They know when to stop a thread, and when to let one continue.

You're confusing debate with one-sidedness. If you want a forum where everyone agrees with you, go elsewhere. Here, people's views are aired on an equal platform, whether they're valid or not.

This is a mistake people make over and over again on this forum. Why does an ancient story have to have any literal translation? Why do beings mentioned in the bible actually have to have a historical basis rather than just being an allegory or a simple fable?

Wiki gives some good information on the Nephilim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim


and Emma I know what you mean and I often wonder though whether so many of these ancient 'fables' can all just be 'fables', surely there has to be some truth in these things. To my knowledge the Nephilim are only mentioned in the Bible, the Torah and other Biblical works so I guess it depends on whether anyone takes much stock in the Bible and what it has to say. Even though I myself generally do not believe in the Bible but I can't stop myself from thinking there is some truth in the Bible and other myths, legneds and fables from around the world. To say they are all just made up seems impossible to me.

Right Said Fred..Oops..Emma!

...uh the same can be said for the reverse, why do beings mentioned in ancient stories and or the bible have to be allegory or fable. It is amazing indeed, the sumerians concept of god and ours are dramatically different and they actually lived what they believed it was a way of life, today we separate that which we believe (the majority) and our way of living. Point being what we today see as just belief and or faith is born out by the fact that we intentionally make that distintion, this doesn't mean this was the case in ancient times. None of us were there so have no way of knowing what was actually meant.

well said, to them separating their mythology from life would for us be like keeping science only as something academic that is taught in universities and never using it to build things.

It's odd, really, there's never a thread about trying to prove Oedipus was a real person, doing real things...

I guess there /are/ limits on willful credulity, after all.

--Jaylemurph

Well, in the case of the Sumerians, anyway, we have a very good way of knowing what was meant. This would be by reading what they said they meant.

You're probably unaware that the Sumerians left entire dictionaries and lexicons behind, which we have discovered and deciphered.


Harte

dictionaries and lexicons ? thats new to me. i am interested. do u have a link to these dictionaries or any details on them? is it a kind of rosetta stone?

Yes, welcome Jack to the friendly forum of unexplained mysteries. It is too bad that they are 19th C. fakes made in Germany. That is almost as strange a mystery as any. Who, what, why? And who then distributed them around Maya territory, or was that done? Maybe it was a con on the museums, who no doubt had to fork over money for them.

I don't know of any evidence for angels. Anyone? They do not appear in NDEs as one would expect if they are real. I have read misguided books that made no distinction between angels and star-traveling humanoids. That's wrong.

~~Cebrakon

There isn't any evidence for angels, in the same way there isn't any evidence for the Nephilim. None whatsoever.

Coredrill,

Unfortunately, no. These dictionaries had to themselves be translated. Seems circular reasoning I know, but it's not, really.

Cuneiform went through several transitions before it fell into disuse. The latest (last) form was the first to be translated. It's (sort of) an interesting story how they translated it, if you're into that sort of thing, but there was no linchpin artifact like the Rosetta Stone that could be used for cuneiform the way that artifact helped with hieroglyphics.

Once translation was achieved, the dictionaries and lexicons helped sort of "fill in the corners" of the language, yielding synonyms, useages and variations of words that couldn't have been easily inferred from the surviving texts.

BTW, the vast majority of cuneiform that survives to this day (that we've recovered, anyway) consists of reciepts, IOU's, ownership documents and various messages to and from different people. There's not very many surviving cuneiform "texts" in the usual sense of the word.

Harte

This is my specialty. Nephilim are the offspring of angels who rebelled in the second rebellion against God and left their angelic state to impregnate human women. Yes, they lusted after human women, manifested themselves into men and came down to tamper with human DNA. Their estate, probably a planet in our solar system, was destroyed by God. These rebel angels were not the original 1/3 that satan took with him in the first rebellion in heaven, but came afterward. These angels were supposed to watch the earth to make sure satan did not tamper with our DNA, but they fell and were tempted by the human women while observing earth. The offspring of theirs turned out to be genetic freaks...extremely tall, warlike, ate anything especially humans, had two roes of teeth and usually six fingers and six toes. Everyday archaeological evidence of giant human bones are being discovered all around the world but are being covered up as well. Satan will not have it that they be discovered but if you know where to look, even on the net you can find hundreds of pictures and stories of giant humans dating back from now to thousands and thousands of years ago.

If you know where to look, you can find "evidence" of practically anything at all on the web. Even Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

Harte

Here is someting from some old newspaper about some giants..hehehe..could be a fake..

/raises hand...gOT ya!

but yea i wacthed this pretty cool Clip on Youtube if i find it ill post it

Could there be a planet directly opposite us on the other side of the sun that we have not detected because of a similar orbit it has that is at the same speed as Earth?

Maybe the nephilim live on that world.

No. We would have detected its gravitational effects years ago. There is no chance, none whatsoever, that a planet of a similer size to earth - let alone one of the size Planet X is supposed to be - exists in this system. For example, we discovered Neptune purely by mathematical means and this was in the 1840s. Your grasp of physics must be pretty basic if you think a planet can simply "hide" behind the sun and evade discovery.

It worked for DC comics for a while. Earth 2 I think it was called. The continents and languages were all the same I think, but the history was different.

I agree. Any planet the size of Earth moving through the solar system would quickly be detected by astronomers by the gravitational pull it would have on the other planets. It would need to be moving very fast to avoid detection. And just how do these people live on a planet that is frozen solid for thousands of years?

I never said i was a physics buff?! If i was i wouldn't have asked this question now would i. Anyway. Thanks for the answer.

There is a site out there somewhere about giants where there are dozens of these news clippings and reports of Giant bones being found all over North America. Dug up in Indian mounds and under slabs of stone and such. Almost all of them are from the 1850-1900 timeframe. I myself take all reports and news from that timeframe with a big dose of salt. The newpapers in those days were sensationalist and did anything to sell papers.

Sorry, that wasn't meant to sound like a personal dig, although I know it did.

What I meant was that a more general appreciation of today's sciences would result in people here realising that theories like current-day Nephilim and Planet X are pure bunk. Not even a "maybe". They're impossible.

Nephilim are supernatural beings, specifically the offspring of human women and “sons of God” (proposed to be fallen angels), who appear significantly in Genesis 6 and are mentioned also in other biblical texts and in some non-canonical Jewish writings. Others consider the Nephilim, in contrast, to be the offspring of human men descended from Seth and human women descended from Cain. Both interpretations say that the lustful breeding of the Nephilim was one of the provocations for Flood, which is also referred to as the Deluge.

GENISIS 6:1–4 describes the origin of the Nephilim as part of the “increasing wickedness of mankind” which, according to the New American Bible, was likely incorporated not only to account for the prehistoric “giants” of Canaan, whom the Israelites called the Nephilim, but additionally to introduce the story of the flood and Noah's ark:

“When men began to multiply on earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of heaven saw how beautiful the daughters of man were, and so they took for their wives as many of them as they chose. Then the LORD said: “My spirit shall not remain in man forever, since he is but flesh. His days shall comprise one hundred and twenty years.” At that time the Nephilim appeared on earth (as well as later), after the sons of heaven had intercourse with the daughters of man, who bore them sons. They were heroes of old, men of renown."

thats myth! whats fact?

The Facts?

The Nephilim appear in a religious text; they were characters in a story that point out that bad things happen to people who disobey the will of a certain god.
It's not as if they're like Edward II or Giles Corey, real historical figures with a documented history who appear in later works of art. They are fiction.

--Jaylemurph

in short ..nephilim is fiction...unless proven ..fact!
whos there to prove it fact...shall we call adama?

HEISER is a UfOLOGIST and a biased christian trying to bend the ET's into DEMONS and ANGELS....Why would so called demons and angels need a spacecraft is really a silly if not downright stupid idea. Heiser is also trying to make a name for himself...What better way to do that then to try to discredit Sitchen. I am not getting into the whole thing here but suffice as to say there are always disagreements about interpretations.

Plenty Hebrew Scholars out there but when you google you only find Heiser's name. Now why is that? hmmm? And too....he is so fixated with Sitchen. Yesssireee Heiser is so trying to make a name for himself...tut!

Actually, come to think of it....without Sitchen no one would ever have heard of Heiser. Sitchen stands alone on his own and Heiser stands on Sitchens coat tails.

Impossible??? LOL Not at all. Nothing like a huge government coverup! Go to Youtube and type in UFO DISCLOSURE...see what you get. Happy journey. Oh yeah...and try 1952 UFO over Capitol. Have fun. Poopload of info out there!

Necroposting to shill youtube videos! A double-win situation!

--Jaylemurph

Tut! I am new here and very much interested in the subject matter and.....as opposed to some tedious article....the youtube hits the spot par excellence!
Have a good day darlin

*is again thankful the actual videos from youtube and google.video can't be posted here.

--Jaylemurph

To me, Nephilim if reffering: "Great men of renown", as known by Sufi references these were men who were teachers of man's ancient instincts.
Man "lost" his animalism (I mean loosely, is capable of ignoring his animal instinct in favor of using his Intellect).
However there are teachers who can bring back mans keen animal senses and brute strength. As one person I know who was taught these ancient Sufi rituals, one lesson was to approach a large pile of soft clay and for one-two hours a day, thrusted his pointed hands into it. (covering the clay each day to keep it moist, yet hardening slightly each day) After several months he developed the ability and power to use his hands as incredibly deadly weapons, capable of ripping through a mans chest quite easily passing through a ribcage... This is a mere sample, other incredible physical feats can be developed, including all of the senses.

Quite interesting. But not much about this is known, and to my knowledge only the ancient Sufi teachings handed down, tell of these "Great men" who lived in the mountains and passed on this knowledge. (It reminds me of those Chinese Kung-fu movies).

I was fortunate enough to know a teacher of this knowledge, as he is 91 years of age this year and had lived as a Caucuses'(Mountains) Noble and came to Canada in the 60's (leaving the tribe he was supposed to become leader of, to start off nearly penniless in the Western world, as he had to leave all his wealth in Turkey).

This is the only credible explanation of these Nephilim, which is not derivative of any recent religion. (Sufism originated from beyond the time of Abraham, and is not a religion as some may assume, its like calling Kung-fu a religion).

So theres is my kernel of knowledge that I have personally gleaned. Believe it or disbelieve it as you wish.

(Edited for spelling)

Aren't the Nephilim a race of angels depicted thru the Catholic religion?
AND hasn't it already been proven that Stichin was nutty as a fruitcake?
I dont know can some1 enlighten me?

Bull. Sitchen discredits himself on a daily basis.
Sitchen flat-out cannot translate cuneiform, though he claims he can. Sitchen often mistranslates Hebrew, though he's Jewish and says he can do this as well.
This is no question of mere "interpretation."
Sitchen takes other people's translations, takes a word like "throne" out and inserts a word like "rocket" in and ..Voila! Instant Ancient Astronaut.

Only the very weak minded would even listen to his drivel for more than a few seconds.


What's really funny is that when you google "Hebrew Scholars," one name that is notably absent is Zecharia Sitchen, a Jewish "interpreter" of Hebrew texts with a degree in economics.
But, ummm, why isn't Heiser showing up? Did you not even do this search before you made this ignorant claim?
Allow me: Googling Hebrew Scholars

BTW, you must not know Heiser's arguments against Sitchen, or are unable to understand them, or you wouldn't be arguing this claptrap about him being biased as a Christian.


Sitchen is wearing the Emporer's New Clothes. There are no coattails.

But no worries. You aren't the last one to think you see fabric. Unfortunately

Harte

Ah, Sitchen is covered, thank you Harte What bout the Nephilim? Arent they a class/race of Angels?

It really is fact a 3rd of the angels rebellled and came to Earth losing their wings and became Giants

I sincerely hope that members on this site can distinguish between information and disinformation......

Ah, bee, just because you're so keen on Sitchin doesn't mean he's any less a fraud. I mean, if he were right about his original prophecies of Nibiru, we'd all be sharing in the glorious high tech of the Monkey-Raping Gods from the Planet Where Physics Doesn't Matter.

And that's not even touching his claims to actual linguistic ability.

--Jaylemurph

Can you see him translating the codice Hamurabi?

"To bring the rule of UFO upon the land so the weak learns from the alien"

Sounds more like it ascertains to the video on http://www.vh1classic.com/
from "Fields of the Nephilim". There's two videos, and they're pretty good.

I know for a fact.. Harte and Jaylemurph are far more informed on this subject. I trust their opinions wholeheartedly. I havr researched alot of their findings on various subjects in the UM forums...so far they have both been correct at least 98% of the time, as for the other 2%....well you have to realize nobody is perfect we are ALL human and we can/will make mistakes.

I agree also i find it bizzare that people actualy beleive this stuff

That's very kind, though I think my error rate is higher than 2%...

However, I will say that I actually have /read/ Sitchin's books, which is different from most people who support him in this Nibiru business. They usually satisfy themselves with parroting third-gen recollections of his text from teh internets (Take for instance the whole group of people who claim that the Annunaki are reptilians...) And being able to knowledgeably quote the actual dreck he writes back at people who haven't done basic research into what he's saying is fun.

They hate the whole "a god raped a monkey-slave and thus created humans" business, for instance, since putting it that way makes it sound every bit as ridiculous as it is, but you can't say that's not /exactly/ what Sitchin wrote.

--Jaylemurph

Edit: grammar

The best description, in my opinion, of the supposed Nephilim is through the Apocryphal (to most Judeo-Christian faiths) "Book of Enoch" (Noah's great-granddad), which blames the Great Flood on their existance. Not a Catholic text, though (I think the Ethiopian Orthodox Church considers it canonical, though)...

Of course, "Giants" have been "spotted" all over the world. The name "Patagonia" - "Land of the Big-Footed Ones" - owes its existance to the mistaken belief of European explorers that the indigenous peoples there were "Giants".



Just what are you implying about the Easter Bunny, Harte? SIGH. There goes my belief system...

Raven

Alas, still no. Legions undecided in the Revolt against God, took female Human brides. Their descendants were as such, these Nephilim.

In the writes of passage, these angels, also, fell. And, the curse that befell Humans was 20 folds for these offspring. As, they had there semi-dietism striped.
They now await judgement, within God's Eyes. As, many Biblical scholars assume of the strange beasts that John saw in his vision. When in the Halls of Wisdom.

He described beasts with human heads, that sat abodingly near God. These, are your Nephilim. Foul, imprisoned, and forever in judgement...
This book is easily had, this Bible, and if you want to re-write it. Put effort forth, spread Your wings, and take of the fire...