The nephilim are a race from a nother planet that orbits our sun in aproximately 3600 earth years. The evidence is in the acient tablets; depicting space ships and tales of where the gods originated from.
Read "The 12th Planet" by Zecharia Sitchin

Can you tell us, are they alien, human or angels??

Welcome to the Unexplained Mysteries!

This thread is bound to raise a few voices.

Biblically speaking, the Nephilim are a hybrid angel/human. Many people equate aliens with being angels, so in that respect it would be a hybrid alien/human.

I'd like to know which ancient tablets and who made the link with them being aliens. I'm sure there's talk of Nephilim in the ancient days, but as halfbreeds between humans and angels, if I remember correctly. Them being aliens is a solely modern interpretation.

What is an alien? Isn't it anything that is foreign to our natural world? What is a UFO but something flying that is unidentified?

"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown." - Genesis 6:4 (NIV)

Strange beings came and had children with human women. These children were 'heroes of old, men of renown'. Think Hercules and other ancient gods. So these beings came and their hybrid offspring had supernatural abilities and powers. How many Sci-Fi stories use that same plot?

"This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not turn about as the creatures went. Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around." - Ezekial 1:16-18 (NIV)

What does this description sound like to you?

Now, identifying these verses with alien abduction stories may be something relatively new, but I wouldn't say it's much newer than the modern alien abduction stories themselves. I mean, sure, there have been cases of apparent alien visitation for a long time, but never on the scale that they are today. With so many people experiencing these things, it's hard to right it off as just fantasy. If they are real events, then there must be an explanation, and that's when Christians turn to the Bible. With these 'alien' experiences and stories in mind, these verses take on a whole new light.

wasnt this discussed in some other old threads before?

There was a thread about a planet with a highly eccentric orbit that brought it into proximity with earth every 3500 years. The planet houses an advanced civilisation that 'kick-started' our own during the most recent pass. (a new one is due). Highly impropable.

No Nephilim where mentioned, however.

Meow Purr.

There has been Nephilm talk here on the Ancient Mysteries Forum maybe a year and a half ago. Also it has come up sporadically in the Crypto section and in the various religion sections. It kind of crosses the borders of these areas. And aliens too if you go in for the whole aliens = angels or the Ananaki (spelling?) thing. That is why I thought it would open up a can o' worms as a subject.

Usually the discussion about that idiot Sitchin is limited to the argument that his planetary fantasy cannot possibly be true. Sitchin, like Velikovsky, ties together several stories from various religions to try to make his case. His interpretation of "Nephilim" is, BTW, incorrect, linguistically.

Harte

what does nephilim mean then?

Thats the same as Zecharia Sitchin's Niburu...nothing else.All these discussions about planet-x or niburu springs from Zecharia Sitchin's transalation/interpretation of the clay tablets...

Then Nephilim are the people from Nibiru,right?

But if their planet are far away from Sun how they survive??

"alien" means not from Earth.
Obviously anything described in the Bible is alien if it came from "heaven" or any other non-Earthly place.

So there is nothing strange about considering angels aliens, the real question (that equates them with so called EBE's)
is whether they have a physical body or not.
And since they can matte with humans, obviously the do.

The final piece missing is where exactly do they come from. A modern idea of EBE is a being that comes from another planet
and is a part of evolution of life.
Now this might be the difference between our idea of aliens and angels.
But then that doesn't mean they aren't the same thing, it could mean that what we now see as aliens
are not exactly as we imagine them

What I think is that universe is sort of like earth, it has sky, it has oceans and it has land. And some creatures live on
land , some live in ocean and some fly through the sky, and so it is with universe, different creatures live in different
parts or "realms". We currently living in what we call physical realm.
And just as we, masters of the Earth, can live both under water, and in air and on land, so can
these angels and gods be anywhere (be it what we call spiritual realm, or physical realm, or their "native" kingdom of heaven)

Explanation of Sitchin's misleading "translation" of the Hebrew word "Nephilim:"

(My emphasis.)
Source: Sitchin is wrong, Sitchin's errors

The above-referenced PDF file that I bolded in the quote can be accessed HERE.

from what little i know about it, i imagine it would be next to impossible to get an accurate meaning for the hebrew. mainly as the original books of the tanakh/torah were written without vowels but accompanied by an oral tradition(which according to your pdf vowels were added to the holy books arround 600bc). leaving mostly guesswork where the vowels are concerned. different vowels would create completely different meanings so i expect one scholars educated guess is as good as anothers.
various scholars date the writing of the books anywhere between 1000bc and 200bc, quite a large dating range.
interesting nonetheless.

Oh my various gods.

Not another pointless Sitchin thread...
He's still either an idiot or con-man.

--Jaylemurph

Perhaps he's an idiotic con-man?

I would agree. But in this case we have only the opinion of one scholar - Dr. Michael Heiser, PhD. Sitchen holds one degree in economics and will provide no evidence whatsover that he can translate any language, although he has been asked to.

So, pardon me if I go with Dr. Heiser's interpretation over that of an untrained layperson making false claims in a naked moneygrab.

Harte

read this too -

which is all this 'Michael Heiser' is about

your wrong.

again.

note the topic 'Nephilim'

get your facts straight -


http://www.google.com/search?q=nephilim&am...lient=firefox-a
nephilim - Google Search

Ad hominem if I ever saw one.

Heiser is gainfully employed and charges not one cent for his research into Sitchin's inane and sophomoric fantasy.

Go to Sitchin's website and see what he charges you just to read his stoopid editorializing on his pathetic, moronic dreamworld.

Harte

heiser hitched his wagon to sitchen's to gain publicity.

he's a nobody, and will remain such.

you hitched your wagon to heiser's, for the same reason.

the results will be the same.




to get respect, one must earn respect.

you show no respect.

this is how i know, you will remain a nobody -

hmmmmm....

sitchin is a good read, worth the money u pay for the books, making u curious...but i dont believe all those baloney abt nephilim and annunaki or wahetver he dishes out...he keeps me entertained.

tomt...i think u better back your statements with research..dont jump to conclusions...

right Harte? we had something like this before? hehehehehe

Sitchin is a good read, if you like to read a soap opera with characters loosely based on the gods and goddesses of various different religions.

I find it quite funny at times, though a bit lacking in realism (it's not as true to life as, say 'Days of our Lives' ). Okay as an 'airport novel' though.

I lie the bit where the aliens fly to earth in their high tech spaceship and then decide that the only way they can dig for gold is to genetically alter humans to enable them to use a shovel and pickaxe ...... And then later when the Antarctic ice sheets slips off into the sea and covers the whole world in a tidal wave. They should make a film of that

(Actually, didn't they base the film "Morons from Outer Space" on Sitchin's charcters? )

Wrong, because looking for "publicity" means you're trying to sell something, and Heiser isn't. He's a scholar who sees someone fraudulently trying to make cash from his field of work, and rightly puts them in their place.

Either way, your argument is pretty pathetic - its not even an argument. You're basically saying, "I'm right, you're wrong, and you're a loser" with nothing to back it up. If you ain't got anything interesting to say, don't say anything at all.

Coredrill,

Right. It's also about the definition of ignorant.

He who wishes not to be ignorant need only educate himself. I won't be holding my breath to see if Tomt eventually decides to do this, however.

Harte

i know of what i type, and so do you -



i've had many 'somethings' like this (you) as well.

You Will Lose ...




which makes you wrong as well -

i see rude childern, on a vain power trip

to call heiser a scholar, would be like calling you a scholar

pehaps you could give us (the whole world)

The definition of ignorant

so we (the whole world)

can see Ignorance, first hand.

Dear whole world,

For an excellent definition of ignorant, see the above.

Hope this helps.

Harte

this is not about arguing, this is real .




this is called the truth.

ignore the truth, and you will lose -




should You have anything interesting to say,

i would like to hear what You have to say.

something You and I, both, would find interesting

Again, no argument at all, just aggresive pointlessness. But I'll humour you.

From wiki:



From dictionary.com:



Now, do you actually have a point? If so email me. I can't be bothered to check back and just find more moronic childishness from you.

do you like to argue?

i do not

From wiki:

read.already.yesterday.day before.years ago

From dictionary.com:

i go to the beach/shore , pick up a rock -




i dub thee, 'Scholar'




easy to put tags on things, or people

this does help!

here is a website for your age group/mindset -


http://www.boohbah.com/zone.html

tomt --

I still abide by my original statement to you that brevity does not equal profundity. Emma hit the nail on the head when she says you don't offer an actual argument -- or if you do, most of the rest of us are just too thick to penetrate it. Maybe you can pity us all with a few extra syllables.

--Jaylemurph

In those day, there were giants in the lands.

The translated word " Nephilim " means : Giants of the Earth. These fierce giants were desceded from various famous Anakim rulers, who were outstanding leaders, and mighty warriers. Who lived on the earth before the great flood. These Giant Anakim or Angels. Lived in the time of Jared of the bible. The sons of God. The Anakim, took the daughters of men to wife. So the theory goes the Anakim, gathered great harems of mortal women. The off spring, from there sexual union, brought forth the Giant Nephilim. Half Anakim and half human. Many biblical scholars say, that Anakim were guilt of polygamy and God destroyed them for this reason. This is ridiculous!!! Polygamy did not exist in those days. Marrying many wives was the custom of the Anakim, and God Almight whom they worshipped. The Anakim marrying customs still stand today in many culture around the world.

Other Ancient name for these Giants were Zamzummims. The Anakim / Nephilim / and Zamzummins. Are all well documented in the bible. They were real giants, who lived on the earth in those days or the story in the bible has anoher fictional story in it...

My understanding is that Nephilim means "those who came down". While the Bible does refer to giants, and many scholars believe that the Nephilim were these giants, I do not recall reading any passages that specifically identify Nephilim as giants.

Think of Conan the barbarian, a typical Aryan giant , a real Nephilim
Of course the story is fictional, but the element of giant blond superman has been a human obsession throughout history.
Remember Hi-man, also, a blond superman, this time also from another planet.
Its just comic books, but it is something rooted deep in the subconsciousness of the western man.

It can be argued that Nazism worshiped the ideal of Nephilim , because they believed that Aryan man is superior because
he is the descendant of people of Atlantis who were superior to other people, as they were portrayed as almost a new breed.
Atlantis is said to have been lost under waves because of their violence.
The legend of Atlantis states the same thing: gods who married women, and produced great warriors, and ruled the Atlantis, which made it such an overwhelming force.

In the belief of Thule society members it was almost a case of Atlantis strikes back.
They actually believed that on mystical island of Thule, there is a place in which the ancient knowledges of
higher beings that people of Atlantis possesed is stored for safe keeping for whoever can pass the initiation and prove worthy
to use it again to rule the world.

tomt..u r pathetic! you dont know when to end an arguement. havent u ever learnt newton in your school phyisics books....translated..u poke/push someone..u get poked/pushed in return!

I agree, he is adding nothing and just causing trouble. tomt you will be reported if you continue. The Admins here will ban you pretty quick for flaming and being belligerent. If you are some kid getting his kicks by arguing, then go to the religion section where it is tolerated more.

You should remember what you already wrote and apply it to yourself.




What are the sources for these tablets? The only one's I've read about online so far are stretched to be interpreted in this way.

The story of Gilgamesh was found on tablets, but that doesn't make it true. Just because something was in an old story or on a clay tablet does not make it true.

See, your interpretation of those verses is that it has to do with aliens. The sons of God don't have to be aliens. They could be a priest-cast, for example. They could be another race from the same planet. Those writings don't elaborate on that enough to draw any definite conclusions. Sure, it could be aliens, but it doesn't have to be. And just because many sci-fi stories follow that plot... doesn't give it any credibility.

Again, your second verse could be a number of things. It doesn't have to be a ufo. It depends on who interprets the verse. If I were a native of Borneo who'd never seen a car I'd give a very out-there description of it as well. So, again, it doesn't say a thing.

I never said anything, by the way, about modern abduction stories. I'm merely asking about the sources of the TC.

They were giants and strong. Maybe they could have been a tall sub-group of Neandertal, or another sub-species of Man. It is speculated that Neandertal could have interbred with modern humans and Neandertal also lived in the Middle East.

So I'll be honest and say I didn't read most of this post... The topic sort of intereste me... But not really. I just wanted to add that we (meaning americans) also call immigrents (sorry if i spelled it wrong) "aliens". so it makes sense to call angels, or anything else alien if we dont know what it is, same for UFO, all it stands for is an unidentified flying object and we as a society have interpreted it to mean just in terms of space crafts... Just something to think about.

Yes, I've wondered before if the 'Sons of God' and 'Daughters of Man' referred to two different castes - the priestly and the labouring. Some of the priestly caste chose to lie with women from the labouring caste and thus their divinity was weakened (even today many priests are forbidden from having sexual relationships).

The nefilim - those who have fallen - would be those 'Sons of God' who broke their priestly vows, slept with the farm women, and thus 'fell' from grace ......

That is another way of interpreting it, but it hardly fits within the grand scheme of human mythology. If it were the case, such
interpretation would have to be specific only to Judaism

Another good interpretation. And it enforces my case of many interpretations being possible. Essan also has a very plausible interpretation. The matter of the fact is that we simply don't know the correct interpretation.

Diechecker,

Neandertals were shorter than modern humans, though somewhat stockier and no doubt stronger.

Anyway, the translation of the Hebrew that came out as "giants" in the Bible is wrong, that's the way I remember it anyway.

At least, with the word Nephilim it's wrong.

It's a relic of what they thought it meant back in the days when the KJV was being translated and put together.

As I recall, there is somewhere a mention of "giants", but Nephilim is not the word used there.

Harte

Perhaps giants is a poor word to use in this discussion. None the less, if there was a strange people who interbred with the modern peoples of the Middle East, perhaps they were a relic Neandertal population. Or, just a oral tradition that remebers the Neandetal population.

Seems more reasonable to me then a population of aliens from Planet X.

And many people believe they don't exist at all. If you want to get to the truth, I think we should actually confirm the existence of "Nephilim" before we go talking about who they are and where they come from. Too many people hear about them on the radio or TV and think they actually exist. Some people read a book and think that's proof. No, proof is actually having one on CNN and Foxnews and doctors discussing what it is. Anything else is a myth. I've seen "accredited scientists" make all kinds of strange claims only to find out they were quacks and their claims were false.

Hitman

I know how to find out. Just examine them. Do you know where I can find one of the Nephilim?

Hitman