This was on the front page of UM today, but I feel it is worth posting here as well. I hadn't heard some of this testimony before and found the alleged conversation between mission control and the moon landing to be quite interesting.

I am not sure how credible astronaut testimony is anymore. I guess the whole diaper wearing psycho girl astronaut gave me second thoughts about their character and credibility. It would make me feel better if more than a handful of them came forward with similar information.

U.S. Astronauts reveal encounters with apparent Extraterrestrials and UFOs

Edited by Peter Tremblay

Rumors have persisted for years that the astronauts -- nearly all of whom are military officers susceptible to being silenced under orders -- may have seen something more on the Moon than rocks and dust.

According to transcripts of the technical debriefing following the Apollo 11 mission, astronauts Armstrong, Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin and Michael Collins told of an encounter with a large cylindrical UFO even before reaching the Moon," U.S. investigative journalist and researcher Jim Marrs documents Mr. Aldrin further officially presented his encounters with apparent Extraterrestrials on CNN's Larry King Show.

Jim Marrs further presents that Mr. Aldrin said, "The first unusual thing that we saw I guess was one day out or pretty close to the Moon. It had a sizable dimension to it". Aldrin said the Apollo crew at first thought the object was the Saturn 4 booster rocket (S-IVB); but, he added, "We called the ground and were told the S-IVB was 6,000 miles away."

Mr. Aldrin described the UFO as a cylinder, while Armstrong said it was "really two rings" Two connected rings". Collins also said it appeared to be a hollow, tumbling cylinder. He added, "It was a hollow cylinder. But then you could change the focus on the sextant and it would be replaced by this open-book shape. It was really weird."

Even more strange was the experience of Mr. Aldrin and Mr. Armstrong, after they reached the Moon.

According to an Associated Press story of July 20, 1969 published in the San Bernardino Sun-Telegram, the astronauts sighted eerie lights inside a crater near the point on the Moon where their lunar lander was due to touch down the next day.

On their first sweep around the Moon, Armstrong described a mysterious bright light on the inner wall of the crater Aristarchus, located north of their flight path. "It seems to have a slight amount of florescence to it. The area in the crater is quite bright," he reported.

"That area is definitely brighter than anything else I can see. There doesn't appear to be any color involved in it. It looks like an eerie sight," confirmed Aldrin.

Two astronauts who appear to have broken ranks are Dr. Edgar Mitchell and Gordon Cooper. On The Oprah Winfrey Show on 19 July 1991, Mitchell hinted that all information regarding UFOs has not been released, saying, "I do believe that there is a lot more known about extraterrestrial investigation than is available to the public right now [and] has been for a long time... It's a long, long story. It goes back to World War II when all of that happened, and is highly classified stuff."

On Dateline NBC in 1996, Mitchell was even more candid. "I have no firsthand experience, but I have had the opportunity to meet with people from three countries who in the course of their official duties claim to have had personal firsthand encounter experiences... with Extraterrestrials," he said. Jim Marrs says that "Mitchell flatly stated that some advanced military craft use technology derived from alien spacecraft that have been collected by the U.S. Government."

Cooper, in a letter read during a 1978 meeting at the United Nations to discuss UFOs, stated, "...I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet form other planets, which are obviously a little more advanced than we are here on Earth."

Also that year, Mr. Cooper wrote a letter to the ambassador of the Mission of Grenada to the United Nations supporting a UN initiative to study UFOs. In his letter, Cooper stated that astronauts "are very reluctant even to discuss UFOs due to the great numbers of people who have indiscriminately sold fake stories and forged documents, abusing their names and reputations without hesitation. Those few astronauts who have continued to participate in the UFO field have had to do so very cautiously. There are several of us who do believe in UFOs and who have had occasion to see a UFO on the ground, or from an airplane."

Cooper's mention of a "UFO on the ground. apparently was a reference to his own experience at Edwards Air Force Base on May 2, 1957. In 1993, Cooper gave this account of the incident: "I had a crew that was filming an installation of a precision landing system we were installing out on the dry lake bed, and they were there with stills and movies, and filmed the whole installation and they came running in to tell me that this UFO, a little saucer, had come down right over them, put down three gear, and landed about 50 yards from them, and as they proceeded to go on over to get a closer shot of it, it lifted up, put the gear in, and disappeared in a rapid rate of speed.

"And so I had to follow my directions as a military... I had to look up the regulations on who I was to call to report this, which I did, and they ordered me to immediately have the film developed, put it in a pouch, and send them by the commanding general's plane to Washington, which I did. And that was the last I've ever heard of the film."

It is interesting to note indicates Mr. Marrs that, "despite the continued protests that there is no government secrecy regarding UFOs, there is no public report on this incident. Although the event was listed in the Project Blue Book index, a full report and clear photos are suspiciously absent."

Yet Mr. Cooper, who reported the UFO landing, was selected as a Mercury astronaut only two years later. In a 1996 interview, Mr. Cooper said he discounts any conventional explanation for his experience. Asked his thoughts on UFOs, the astronaut said, "Well, I figured it was somebody coming from some distant place to visit us."

Steve Omar, another investigative journalist and researcher, indicates that J. Allen Hynek (who investigated U.F.O.s for the U.S. Air Force), Major Donald Keyhoe, Timothy Good (in his book Above Top Secret) suggest secrecy about UFOs and Extraterrestrials. One unquestionably absolute expert we may want to consult is Christopher Kraft, who was Director of the NASA tracking base in Houston during the Apollo Moon missions, when he revealed the following conversation “after” he left his work at NASA:

- ASTRONAUTS NElL ARMSTRONG and BUZZ ALDRIN speaking from the Moon: “Those are giant things. No, no, no .... this is not an optical illusion. No one is going to believe this!”

- MISSION CONTROL (HOUSTON CENTER): “What...what...what? What the hell is happening? What’s wrong with you?”

- ASTRONAUTS: “They’re here under the surface.”

- MISSION CONTROL: “What’s there? Emission interrupted... interference control calling Apollo II.”

- ASTRONAUTS: “We saw some visitors. They were there for awhile, observing the instruments.”

- MISSION CONTROL: ”Repeat your last information.”

- ASTRONAUTS: “I say that there were other spaceships. They’re lined up on the other side of the crater.”

- MISSION CONTROL: “Repeat...repeat!”

- ASTRONAUTS: “Let us sound this orbita ..... In 625 to 5... automatic relay connected... My hands are shaking so badly I can’t do anything. Film it? God, if these damned cameras have picked up anything... what then?”

- MISSION CONTROL: “Have you picked up anything?”

- ASTRONAUTS: “I didn’t have any film at hand. Three shots of the saucers or whatever they were that were ruining the film.”

- MISSION CONTROL: “Control, control here. Are you on your way? Is the uproar with the U.F.O.s. over?

- ASTRONAUTS: “They’ve landed there. There they are and they are watching us.”

- MISSION CONTROL: “The mirrors, the mirrors...have you set them up?”

> - ASTRONAUTS: “Yes, they’re in the right place. But whoever made those space ships surely can come tomorrow and remove them. Over and out.”

There is an unconfirmed report, also documented by Steve Omar, that when Buzz Aldrin opened the door after landing on the Moon, he immediately saw a transparent etherical being staring at him outside. Welcome to the Moon?? Allegedly, NASA Director Kraft added that there was a public and a secret private A.S.A. radio frequency between Moon and Mission Control and that the conversation above took place during a mysterious two minute interruption in public transmissions. To prove it is the truth, hundreds of independent CIVILIAN radio operators with powerful VHF equipment separately reported hearing the AME spaceship report from the Apollo moon-walkers!
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"Soviet radio operators also picked it up and published it in Moscow. Another mysterious radio message from the Moon was broadcast on French public television only one time before it was censored AFTER it leaked out. That transmission appeared to be a mysterious clearly spoken ALIEN LANGUAGE," further reports Steve Omar.

The famous French historian and author Robbert Charroux published the transmission which has been suppressed in the U.S. It came from U.S. astronaut Worden who transmitted it to NASA, and expert linguists have been unable to translate the message.

We are discussing specific examples on various other threads.

These claims are being brought to you by people who make money off of your helpless credulity.

They make a very good living.

oh, of course. and who told you this? im just curious

seems to me lately it would be harder to prove aliens DONT exist then to prove they do. pick some thing-
mars anomilies, moon anomilies, astronaut footage, astronaut convo, ancient paintings , various paintngs throughout the centuries, pilot reports, military reports (disclosure report), airbrushed photos(something to hide?), the thousands and thousands of reports throughout the years. official documents, more and more caught on vid each year, crop circles.. etc .
kindof bugs me that the powers that be decided that we (human race) couldnt handle knowing that there's life out there (visiting here)- but these same 'powers that be CAN handle it?"
we are just a flash iin the pan compared to the universe- how DARE we think that we are all there is(hope i dont sound too rude- but i really feel like we have some nerve thinking we are the best it gets). if we are the best the universe has to offer in all this time it has had- then im a lil let down cause i was expecting WAY more than this from something SOO grande it can not even be comprehended (infinity).
im totally convinced we are not floating around on this lil planet alone. we just need to grow up and quit the bickering with each other.

clem

Do the words logic and rationality mean anything to you, agent?
Have you actually read anything?


This has been discussed elsewhere. Were you there?

what anomalies would these be? The only anomalies I have seen have been coming from so called experts that can't see through JPEG compression artifacts and do not know how to do image processing/analysis.



I have yet to see something in the astronaut footage or in their conversations that really points the finger at something ET could be behind and not something with a completely natural explanation. For the rest, I guess these are up to interpretation.



I have no idea why crop circles would have anything to do with ET at all, to be honest. I have yet to fathom why a clearly very advanced race would cross interstellar space and then hide from us, all the while they make graffiti in the form crop circles - odd humor they have, these interstellar travelers

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Here I can only agree. Odds are for that we are not alone and somewhere out there ET is lurking around. That said, however, I very much doubt that ET is here on earth, flitting around in our airspace and making fun of us or studying us.

Best,
Badeskov

were you?

*edit* and does the word, possibility mean anything to you?
or is it fun just shooting ideas out of the sky? (relating to Anything on this forum basically)

QUOTE(GirlInBlack @ Sep 9 2007, 05:53 PM)
This was on the front page of UM today, but I feel it is worth posting here as well. I hadn't heard some of this testimony before and found the alleged conversation between mission control and the moon landing to be quite interesting...[/quote]

[Partial material quoted by OP]: "According to an Associated Press story of July 20, 1969 published in the San Bernardino Sun-Telegram, the astronauts sighted eerie lights inside a crater near the point on the Moon where their lunar lander was due to touch down the next day.

On their first sweep around the Moon, Armstrong described a mysterious bright light on the inner wall of the crater Aristarchus, located north of their flight path. "It seems to have a slight amount of florescence to it. The area in the crater is quite bright," he reported.[/quote]



You are partially correct, Jim. Whenever a popular author is quoted, I side with you. But regarding the above comments dealing with lights inside a crater, I've already posted somewhere else that footage from one of the Apollo missions, probably 11, looking down at the moon shows a white object fleeting over the lunar surface at a good clip and as this white object approaches a dark crater (dark because the sun is at a really low angle and not overhead to illuminate the interior) one can see lights going on and off in and near the crater.

First, a light appears smack dab in the center and the light lasts for only one frame on my videotape. Then lights appear near the edge of the crater wall and, finally, a light appears below the crater. I have this footage on videotape although I'm sure it can be found on video websites such YouTube and Google Video. So, yes, some authors will take advantage of the gullible with their tall tales.

But some experiences that may run counter to your thinking do, indeed, have a reality. That footage by Apollo astronauts is not the only example of UFOs associated with the moon. There is another clearer segment in color where a lunar module is seen ascending to the command module and lo and behold there's a white object below hauling in the opposite direction. A japanese astronomer recorded footage of an object flitting over the moon's surface. And on it goes. Dubious authors can be commented upon with derition which some deserve. But the reality of UFOs, whether here on/over Earth, recorded from shuttles, over the moon, etc., cannot be denied.

"One step for a man, one giant leap for mankind."

Ok, so what were the mirrors for and what is their importance?

One is never required to prove the nonexistence of anything. Were this the case I could easily proclaim that there's an invisible Leprechaun who lives in my garage...now prove me wrong. See what I mean? If we are to take this stance then quite literally anything anyone can think of exists! Now, there are some who say this is exactly how they think (in their concept of reality everything exists). However, this is not how science operates. Science requires something empirical, not just philosophical possibility for the existence of something.





Exactly, there aren't any anomalies that demonstrate an 'alien moon base', only JPEGs and poor image processing/analysis. Oh, and a huge dose of pareidolia.




I have to agree, there's no solid evidence that ET is scoping out Earth. I mean it's possible, but once again we need some definitive evidence before we declare ET visitation.

Have you read the 1971 NASA 'moon pigeons' report that I posted earlier elsewhere? Google it, it's on the internet.

NASA was very intersted in stuff seen or videotaped out the window.

It had nothing to do with alien spaceships, and everything to do with OUR spaceships.

Have you been reading these threads for long?





Yes.

Possibility is a term that comprises that which can happen. It is a term which is also used in reference to something that "could happen", something which is not precluded by facts, and is generally improbable.


Apollo as a fact is not precluded by facts. It is supported by facts.
An Apollo hoax, for instance, is indeed improbable, and impossible, given the facts. It's not a possibility.


Did you want to discuss possibilty, in the latter sense (which seems to be what many are interssted in regarding these idiotic and fabricated transmissions), or did you want to discuss the facts of the matter?

Indeed. As I've pointed out many times, we're looking at stuff out there and asking questions:

What is it?

With an eye toward...

Is it a piece of our spacecraft?
Is it a piece of the ISS?
Is it a piece of debris that might somehow cause a problem with our vehicles or interfere with its flight path, causing a safety hazard?
Could it be a hazard in some way?

That sort of thing....which NASA has a high degree of interest in, for what should be obvious reasons!

I don't think anyone has ever thought, "Could that be an alien?" the whole time we've been observing and studying these things in space.


We're looking out for our own butts with these observations...and that's a very prudent thing to do in spaceflight.
It's a dangerous business.

Your explanation titled "moon pigeons" is not descriptive of what I've said regarding UFOs and lights over and on the moon. Your "moon pigeons" page says "moving objects photographed near inflight spacecraft." and we are not talking about objects near inflight spacecraft. The spacecraft filmed an object OVER the moon's surface. The spacecraft filmed lights inside and outside a crater. The spacecraft filmed an asceding Lunar Module and in the distance a white object was traveling in the opposite direction. A Japanese astronomer has no connection to inflight spacecraft. The items described in your "moon pigeons" may qualify for your explanation but what I spoke about has no connection to them. You gotta do better, Jim.

Your report dates from March 18, 1970. I turned 32 on that day.

Story A: Aliens are here, they have some "purpose" beyond our ken, our government not only knows, they are in cahoots and covering it up from everyone with no credible information leaks, they abduct and probe people (almost all Caucasians in North America), and the only people that know the truth are on an internet chat board.

Story B: There are no aliens here. yet. And they won't be here, if ever, because in the vastness of time and space the odds of another civilized race with sufficient technology to get here actually finding us are very, very slim.

Just a thought, maybe all these astronauts are really lying about it?

The only thing I know without a doubt is there are UFO's in space that the folks at NASA know about and either do not know what they are, or are hiding their knowledge. Keep in mind that when I say UFO's I mean Unidentified Flying Objects in the purest sense, not Aliens.

It is so easy to find real NASA footage in which they talk about UFO's. They don't go into great detail and you usually just get a few sentences of them confirming a UFO is out there. As an example I can remember one instance where two people were conversing during a spacewalk. One of the men was a civilian and the other was a military officer.

The civilian says "we got a bogey at 10 o clock.

The other military guy says "what?"

The civilian repeats what he said and the military man says "I don't know what you are talking about"

The civilian then gets really quiet and says "forget about it" or something similar under his breath.

The tone in their voices made the conversations intent obvious. The military officer was trying to get him to shut up, and it worked.

I am sure all of you know about all the code words they use as well when talking about unknown objects in space. Why go to the trouble of making up confusing code words and bringing along military officers who keep you from talking if there isn't anything out there but ice crystals?

They don't even transmit their communications in the same way as they used to. Ever since that Canadian TV station intercepted and recorded tons of their footage they apparently got paranoid and are hiding their communications. I don't have any proof of this but it is pretty obvious. Any new NASA footage you find now a days is much more bland than ones in the past.

Story A: The one favored by popular authors and the one that keeps the suckers coming and the one that brings in the bucks.
Story B: Circumstancial evidence in the form of UFOs, in all of their configurations, hints at the existence of aliens. What has not been proven is where they are from. No one knows. And I'm the last one to admit that if they here and they're from somewhere, that that somewhere is in the vast reaches of space. Of course, with some UFOs seemingly materializing and dematerializing, the possibility of distance has to be considered.

Not all astronauts lie. It seems most do. But there's a few who are brave enough to say on camera that the subject (of UFOs, on Earth and in space) needs investigation. However, there is nothing to investigate and the only way to get an answer is to let the UFO occupants or RV operators of such that we would like to communicate. But that's a foolish thought because humans are not a peaceful race and the UFO "entities" must know this and that's why we are in a cosmic laboratory, being watched and observed.

If you want to get your rocks off at seeing space anomalies that are rarely, if ever, reported by NASA go to Project P.R.O.V.E. - People Recording Orbiting Vehicles from Earth http://projectprove.com/

Jeff Challender, a chap in a wheelchair, spends a lot of hours at his dedication. Here is what he just told me in an email: "Frankly, I do sometimes get tired of watching thousands of hours of tape every year. Just took an inventory, and counting 7 ISSy EVAs at roughly 6 hours each, one Soyuz launch and docking at around 5 hours, two Progress dockings at 2 hours each, plus three Shuttle flights at 330 hours each, give or take a few, I've looked at something on the order of 1050 hours of space flight so far this year, with two more Shuttle flights, and another Soyuz, expected before 2007 concludes. That works out to btween 1700 and 1800 hours of video tape for the whole year. That DOESN'T count watching the regular hour of coverage and commentary from ISSy five days a week on NASA TV. By the way, I tape those too, just in case." He added he deals with other subjects such as contrails also. Visit his site and support him if you can.

I can't do better than you clearly think you do, Ed, in measuring the distance to a white dot outside a spacecraft window. A rational person would say, that dot can be at any range. Somebody with certainty in his own extrasensory powers would say, "I -KNOW- the dot is 45 miles away from the camera."

I can't do better than that, for sure.

I can't argue with you, girl.

I hope for your sake that you choose your medical advice, legal advice, budget advice, and love advice from better sources than you seem to believe regarding UFO stories. If not, you're in for a heap of hurt in this world.

Here's where it gets ugly, Ed. To boost your own ego, you joyfully assassinate the characters of people you don't know, just for ego thrills. This is despicable -- especially because, whenever we get into the details about the technical arguments that your interpretation is wrong (eg, STS-48), and the astronauts involved were and are telling the whole truth, you run away and hide. Despicable, and cowardly.