This report, "Video Analysis of an Anomalous Object Filmed during
Apollo 16", is found in the "Journal of Scientific Exploration",
(2003),Vol. 17, No. 3, pp. 409-433.
The article contains a still photo from the camera footage showing
the UFO near the Moon against the black backdrop of space.
In brief, this Report states that Apollo XVI commander, astronaut
John Young, filmed this saucer-shaped object moving in an unusual
trajectory above the Moon (NASA Film CL-862).
The diameter of this disc was 60-120 km, comparing it to known
craters of similar size. Thus, if we average the diameter estimate
to 90 kilomters, that would make the craft 55 miles wide!
Nakamura reports that the object "appears to be an artificial
structure consisting of a disc that has a prominent dome at the
center, ... suggest[ing] that the object is a very large
extraterrestrial spaceship."
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Just a pointer. When providing such information a link to the source article and supposed picture lendss more credibility to your claim.
Spot on Psychoticseaotter 
Could youplease provide a link Gandalf?It would helpgreatly
TFM
Could youplease provide a link Gandalf?It would helpgreatly
TFM
THIS is the website for the Journal of Scientific Exploration, and while they do have on line access to some sample articles - you need an adobe acrobat reader to view them - the specific article Lori refers to is not one of them. That makes it difficult to vouch for the credibility and/or accuracy of the article, but I found an alternate source that discusses the 'event' which offers a critical analysis in a thorough and professional manner. CLICK HERE TO SEE PHOTO AND READ ARTICLE
Magikman
Sorry Lori, shot down again.
Magikman
Sorry Lori, shot down again.
Gandalf900,
The title of this thread is "For those of you who need proof",but some people will never accept these things no matter how much proof there is.If a ufo landed at the White House and did an interview on t.v. and the president announced that it was real,etc.there would still be people that refuse to belive it.
The title of this thread is "For those of you who need proof",but some people will never accept these things no matter how much proof there is.If a ufo landed at the White House and did an interview on t.v. and the president announced that it was real,etc.there would still be people that refuse to belive it.
Tess - thats a little unfair, i believe you'll find that those of us on this forum who are skeptical about alien visitations would be quite happy to believe if conclusive proof was presented to us. I have, so far as yet, not seen any such proof.
| QUOTE (PurpleStuart @ Jan 3 2004, 08:07 PM) |
| Tess - thats a little unfair, i believe you'll find that those of us on this forum who are skeptical about alien visitations would be quite happy to believe if conclusive proof was presented to us. I have, so far as yet, not seen any such proof. |
Agreed.
It may seem a little unfair to say,but it also happens to be the truth.There Are people that are unwilling to open their minds and accept certain things( not necessarily the people on this forum,i'm talking about people in general).You must admit,if a ufo did land at the White House and it was proven to be authentic,there would be a small majority of the population that would never accept it,they would have their own "theory",they would claim it was faked by the govt.,etc.
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| there would be a small majority of the population that would never accept it,they would have their own "theory",they would claim it was faked by the govt.,etc. |
well there are people who believe that the bible states the earth is flat and that there is a giant conspiracy hiding the fact the earth is flat from everyone...yes siree, lots of idiots out there:)
| QUOTE (Tess @ Jan 4 2004, 01:37 AM) |
| You must admit,if a ufo did land at the White House and it was proven to be authentic,there would be a small majority of the population that would never accept it,they would have their own "theory",they would claim it was faked by the govt.,etc. |
I'd have to agree with you Tess
.Most of the people out there say that they need to be seeing the whole event or maybe a very strong and concrete proof in order to believe it,but really that's not the case.I have asked a few people around here about thier thoughts on aliens & they said,"Seeing Is Believing".But it's usually when they see it,they don't believe it! 
They'd use all those wierd & 'mind-baffling' theories to debunk the whole thing,I think NASA's a pro here .Or even though they had nothing to say,they'd still not accept it & quickly forget about it.It's really clear that a big majority of people in this world are just plain ignorant. 
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| They'd use all those wierd & 'mind-baffling' theories to debunk the whole thing,I think NASA's a pro here .Or even though they had nothing to say,they'd still not accept it & quickly forget about it.It's really clear that a big majority of people in this world are just plain ignorant. |
because they aren't stupid enough to believe something without exploring more realistic possibilities first?
| QUOTE (bathory @ Jan 4 2004, 05:37 AM) |
| because they aren't stupid enough to believe something without exploring more realistic possibilities first? |
Nope,not that.If you'd watch that documentary about the Moon Landing Hoax,there were reasonably quite a lot of questions that were directed to NASA (e.g. no crater made by probe,shadows not aligned with light and body,how did astronauts resist the radiation out there as thier first time out in space,etc...) & the NASA spokesman did little to nothing in answering those questions,he would just say that the moon landing hoax conspiracy was just rubbish....over & over again.Though I don't quite believe the hoax was there but if I was some amatuer,I'd think the whole moon landing was a hoax myself too.
So with that,I think NASA's doing more than anything in covering everything up.
Even the recent case of Sci-Fi suing them for the Kecksburg thing,and up til now I still don't see them giving the whole important info out. Personally,I think NASA's crap.
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| Though I don't quite believe the hoax was there but if I was some amatuer,I'd think the whole moon landing was a hoax myself too. |
Nasa has been aswering the same questions for years, yet the same idiots keep asking them.
| QUOTE (bathory @ Jan 4 2004, 09:04 AM) |
| Nasa has been aswering the same questions for years, yet the same idiots keep asking them. |
Answering the same questions??....I don't quite get what you're saying there.The people (or public) have come out with related questions but it's always left unanswered by NASA time after time,and they're still seeking to know the truth.But NASA knows that this people are only a handful and wouldn't provide much of a disturbance.Therefore they'd just come out with some wierd excuse or a dumb theory of thiers....and the majority of people would always accept that as a fact without giving much of a thought,which is truly sad. 
there is plenty of information out there that disproves much of what the conspiracists say, yet the conspiracists still insist on using the same old arguements, the documentary aired ages ago showed that, NASA has adressed those question many times and i'm sure they are sick of people asking them.
Tess - from your post you where seeming to be refering to members of the forum. Of course, if you start talking in general there will be people who will not believe.
My great great aunt on seeing her first TV set (brought to her because it was showing a program filmed in her local church and she was too frail to go) refused to comprehend it.
My great great aunt on seeing her first TV set (brought to her because it was showing a program filmed in her local church and she was too frail to go) refused to comprehend it.
| QUOTE (PurpleStuart @ Jan 4 2004, 12:59 PM) |
| As Bathory has said, all the questions posed by the conspiracy theorists about the moon landing being a hoax have been answered. Most of your answers are here and you may find this thread and it's links useful |
Thank you Purplestuart for the links
.It's great to know that the moon landing was real,I believed it too. But there are matters in which NASA are still concealing from us I believe.It's great to know that we made it to the moon because I tend to lean on the Neil Armstrong UFO sighting theory......but I'm afraid NASA covered that up.
Engulf...What was the Neil Armstrong UFO theory?
Apollo 16...
http://www.geocities.com/futureshock2000/ufopic.html
I pulled it up on the hitlist,but can't get it now with this site.Seems to be temporarily unavailable.
Hitlist:
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/
Go to hitlist and hit 100 latest messages and you will see Apollo 16 in the articles;hit that and you will get the Apollo 16 picture.
http://www.geocities.com/futureshock2000/ufopic.html
I pulled it up on the hitlist,but can't get it now with this site.Seems to be temporarily unavailable.
Hitlist:
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/
Go to hitlist and hit 100 latest messages and you will see Apollo 16 in the articles;hit that and you will get the Apollo 16 picture.
| QUOTE (Babs @ Jan 4 2004, 05:15 PM) |
| Engulf...What was the Neil Armstrong UFO theory? |
Hey Babs,I'll just quote some important details about it from a site.
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| According to the NASA Astronaut Neil Armstrong the Aliens have a base on the Moon and told us in no uncertain terms to get off and stay off the Moon. According to hitherto un-confirmed reports, both Neil Armstrong and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin saw UFOs shortly after that historic landing on the Moon in Apollo 11 on 21 July 1969. I remember hearing one of the astronauts refer to a "light" in or on a crater during the television transmission, followed by a request from mission control for further information. Nothing more was heard. According to a former NASA employee Otto Binder, unnamed radio hams with their own VHF receiving facilities that bypassed NASA's broadcasting outlets picked up the following exchange: NASA:Whats there? Mission Control calling Apollo 11... Apollo11: These "Babies" are huge, Sir! Enormous! OH MY GOD! You wouldn't believe it! I'm telling you there are other spacecraft out there, Lined up on the far side of the crater edge! They're on the Moon watching us! A certain professor, who wished to remain anonymous, was engaged in a discussion with Neil Armstrong during a NASA symposium. Professor:What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11? Armstrong:It was incredible, of course we had always known there was a possibility, the fact is, we were warned off!(by the Aliens). There was never any question then of a space station or a moon city. Professor:How do you mean "warned off"? Armstrong:I can't go into details, except to say that their ships were far superior to ours both in size and technology - Boy, were they big!...and menacing! No, there is no question of a space station. Professor:But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11? Armstrong:Naturally - NASA was committed at that time, and couldn't risk panic on Earth. But it really was a quick scoop and back again. According to a Dr. Vladimir Azhazha: "Neil Armstrong relayed the message to Mission Control that two large, mysterious objects were watching them after having landed near the moon module. But this message was never heard by the public -- because NASA censored it." According to a Dr. Aleksandr Kasantsev, Buzz Aldrin took color movie film of the UFOs from inside the module, and continued filming them after he and Armstrong went outside. Armstrong confirmed that the story was true but refused to go into further detail, beyond admitting that the CIA was behind the cover-up. |
Engulf....WOW!
| QUOTE (Engulf @ Jan 5 2004, 07:39 AM) |
| According to a former NASA employee Otto Binder, unnamed radio hams with their own VHF receiving facilities that bypassed NASA's broadcasting outlets picked up the following exchange: |
Ahhh...the refreshing wonders of ham radio operators. lol, my dad is one and tried to get me to get a ham license when I was little. Couldn't stand the course at that age though. Anyways, he had me talk to astronauts one time on it I believe. It was really kinda cool. I wonder if they've picked up any other weird exchanges?
Engulf....could you list that site?
My husband and his business partner, years back, had the opportunity and honor to meet and have dinner with Neil Armstrong.I wanted him to ask Mr.Armstrong if he had seen any UFO's during his flight;unfortunately,my husband didn't ask and I was very disappointed.
Thank you for sharing this information...
My husband and his business partner, years back, had the opportunity and honor to meet and have dinner with Neil Armstrong.I wanted him to ask Mr.Armstrong if he had seen any UFO's during his flight;unfortunately,my husband didn't ask and I was very disappointed.
Thank you for sharing this information...
When viewed through the correct photgraphic analysis equipment, this photo shows some sort of space alien.....not a ufo... 
.....for a glimpse of what the Apollo 16 cameras really saw go to 'Fake UFO Pics for Fun!' in the Multi-media Discussion forum.....
To help you get there just click below:
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=10592
joc 
The Original Photo:
.....for a glimpse of what the Apollo 16 cameras really saw go to 'Fake UFO Pics for Fun!' in the Multi-media Discussion forum.....
To help you get there just click below:
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=10592
joc The Original Photo:
Hi
Interesting to hear some disclosure that Apollo 13 Astronauts nearly had to be rescued by an Alien Craft and beamed aboard but it was not eventually necessary.
The craft was hovering nearby ready to help if needed and on another mission there was photographs taken of the occupants actually inside an alien crafts portals by the astronauts. Interesting disclosure from some witnesses under the Disclosure Project. They are ready to testify to this under a congressional hearing if need be that they were aware of this event occuring while at mission control. There names ellude me at the moment but they are on the disclosure website at http://www.disclosureproject.com (you will have to subscribe to the audio archive to hear there testimony though) which i would recommend as its only about 7 dollars for 1 months access though you are limited to listening to 500 minutes of audio due to bandwidth constraints. People who try to debunk these witnesses to the alien phenomena are just elluding themselves to the growing amount of evidence and Data now available on this subject, you know who you are. Ok there IS some disinformation taken place in ufology, of that i have no doubt but over 400 military personel now willing to testify to this event being real due to what i believe is there Justified fear that the ufo coverup is becoming so seriously out of the control that even members of government are being denied this information and that can include the president or prime minister for that matter. It is so compartmentalized that only a few groups seem to have the power. and that is a dangerous thing in the wrong hands. And You Know Who You Are
Interesting to hear some disclosure that Apollo 13 Astronauts nearly had to be rescued by an Alien Craft and beamed aboard but it was not eventually necessary.
The craft was hovering nearby ready to help if needed and on another mission there was photographs taken of the occupants actually inside an alien crafts portals by the astronauts. Interesting disclosure from some witnesses under the Disclosure Project. They are ready to testify to this under a congressional hearing if need be that they were aware of this event occuring while at mission control. There names ellude me at the moment but they are on the disclosure website at http://www.disclosureproject.com (you will have to subscribe to the audio archive to hear there testimony though) which i would recommend as its only about 7 dollars for 1 months access though you are limited to listening to 500 minutes of audio due to bandwidth constraints. People who try to debunk these witnesses to the alien phenomena are just elluding themselves to the growing amount of evidence and Data now available on this subject, you know who you are. Ok there IS some disinformation taken place in ufology, of that i have no doubt but over 400 military personel now willing to testify to this event being real due to what i believe is there Justified fear that the ufo coverup is becoming so seriously out of the control that even members of government are being denied this information and that can include the president or prime minister for that matter. It is so compartmentalized that only a few groups seem to have the power. and that is a dangerous thing in the wrong hands. And You Know Who You Are
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| People who try to debunk these witnesses to the alien phenomena are just elluding there selves to the growing amount of Data now available on this subject, you know who you are. |
Hey someone has to keep sense on here....
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| People who try to debunk these witnesses to the alien phenomena are just elluding there selves to the growing amount of Data now available on this subject, you know who you are. |
the growing amount of data? like what?
perhaps when making a claim, people should offer something called evidence. Something when concerning aliens and alien spacecraft is very much lacking.
| QUOTE (Babs @ Jan 7 2004, 08:22 PM) |
| Engulf....could you list that site? |
I'm sorry Babs but the link wouldn't work!!! I'll give you the site add instead,maybe you could reach it somehow.
www.anomalous-images.com
But I have another site with the similar info in it. Right Here
Just check 'em out.
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| My husband and his business partner, years back, had the opportunity and honor to meet and have dinner with Neil Armstrong. |
WOW!!Real awesome stuff!!But I've heard that astronauts are really reluctant to speak about thier ET/UFO accounts.Still....I'll be waiting.
Engulf....
Thanks.Absolutely fabulous sites!
Thanks.Absolutely fabulous sites!
Engulf...I got a spectacular site I just found, off the hitlist.
http://metaresearch.org/solar%20system/cyd...tml/default.htm
http://metaresearch.org/solar%20system/cyd...tml/default.htm
Engulf...read through that and when you come down to speculations,it is quite fantastic!!!
The Mars photographs are incredible...
The Mars photographs are incredible...
s*t*a*r*m*a*n....
I totally agree with you....
I totally agree with you....
joc...
| QUOTE (Babs @ Jan 11 2004, 01:24 AM) |
| Engulf...I got a spectacular site I just found, off the hitlist. http://metaresearch.org/solar%20system/cyd...tml/default.htm |
Thank you Babs, I'll be checking the stuff out. Regarding the Mars face,I've seen an article on how solid the surface of the face itself. The satellite caught yet another picture of the face, this time during a direct shine from the sun, and miraculously the right side of the face gave out some sort of 'reflection', a very strong one too, sort of like if you put something solid (aluminium) to a direct shine from a source of light. So it's a really intriguing thing there but I had a thought about the face thing. People (me too) usually say that the face was actually some problem about the lightings, shadow, etc......and I had this idea, what if those people ('those people' being the alledged ancient civ who were supposedly there before) made this whole face structure based on those facts (light from Sun, shadow alignments from it) ??? If this is some work from the Egyptians, then I think it wouldn't be much of a problem, just like how they made the pyramids in the first place. Just a thought though, a very fresh idea off my head.
engulf...my thought, too.
Engulf...I got a question.
If there were aliens and spaceships on the moon and they told us to leave,what will happen if we go back to the moon, as Bush says we are?
What do you think is on Mars? Do you think there are pictures that we are not seeing?
If there were aliens and spaceships on the moon and they told us to leave,what will happen if we go back to the moon, as Bush says we are?
What do you think is on Mars? Do you think there are pictures that we are not seeing?
I hate those Alien pictures. They sometimes look real but then it becomes plainly obvious that their not.
| QUOTE (Babs @ Jan 14 2004, 09:38 PM) |
| Engulf...I got a question. If there were aliens and spaceships on the moon and they told us to leave,what will happen if we go back to the moon, as Bush says we are? What do you think is on Mars? Do you think there are pictures that we are not seeing? |
Firstly sorry for the late reply Babs, missed this one.
Ok, personally I think that after all this years (since the official moon landing), I'm very sure that whoever's 'up there' would have been contacted and talked to......maybe even going as far as agreeing with something!! There wouldn't be any problems this time (but maybe a great time for conspiracy theorists to get into action again!!
), we won't be seeing anything 'wierd' and everything would be a success. But of course, with something up thier sleeves.......About the Mars thing, I always find it baffling that the Beagle-2 couldn't even make it while NASA's Spirit's doing one helluva job there. I'm not saying that NASA's a cheat here but obviously before launching this thing into somewhere in space such as in Mars, you'd certainly have all the preparations done successfully & efficiently. But yes there's always the possibility of mechanism failure, signal failure etc, when you launch the thing is one story, landing it would be another story then, still possibilities of last-minute failures are of the slimmest of chances, consider that you've made the whole crazy journey from Earth to get there............
personally I find this real intriguing. And yes Babs, I think there are pictures that we're not seeing, probably will never too.
I find that there are so many worthwhile efforts on this section of UMDF and yet the same folks posting here with their research are the same folks who are skeptical of what I have to share. Am I missing something?
Engulf, you provide so much wonderful information here and appear to believe it, yet on the other section you doubt UFO realities? hummmmm
-lori
Engulf, you provide so much wonderful information here and appear to believe it, yet on the other section you doubt UFO realities? hummmmm
-lori
Why do people don't want to believe in UFOs? Is that because the Government did not say anything about UFOs? Is that because they never saw it in real life?
Why Fake words always used in everywhere?
And who the hell is government? Why are they hiding everything from us?
Engulf...
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| There wouldn't be any problems this time(but maybe a great time for conspiracy theorists to get into action again!!), we won't be seeing anything 'weird' and everything would be a success |
I gotta agree with this.
| QUOTE (Tess @ Jan 3 2004, 11:31 PM) |
| Gandalf900, The title of this thread is "For those of you who need proof",but some people will never accept these things no matter how much proof there is.If a ufo landed at the White House and did an interview on t.v. and the president announced that it was real,etc.there would still be people that refuse to belive it. |
im
one of them
| QUOTE (Bangali @ Jan 18 2004, 01:55 PM) |
| Why do people don't want to believe in UFOs? Is that because the Government did not say anything about UFOs? Is that because they never saw it in real life? Why Fake words always used in everywhere? And who the hell is government? Why are they hiding everything from us? |
Speaking solely for myself I find it hard to buy believing in little green men or Attributing someof our geatest achievements to them; When, The same people call those of us who belive in God crazy....
I also have seen no pictures nor heard any story about UFO's or aliens to be plausable. Coinsidering that before Close Encounters of the Thrid Kind all of the supposed encounters with aliens describe very different ones. After that movie everyone sees Greys....
In my book I find that a little too convienent.
I have NEVER repeat NEVER seen a grey.
The only encounter I have ever had was with The Borg. Somehow, miraculousy,
I escaped assimilation.
*phew..... wipes sweat off of forehead*
The only encounter I have ever had was with The Borg. Somehow, miraculousy,
I escaped assimilation.
*phew..... wipes sweat off of forehead*
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exodus....
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| im one of them |
LOL,
You said that on another thread...what's the deal?
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