That makes sense to me Babs........the future must be fixed if we can dream about future events.
I voted "I think that my own choices in life affect my own personal future" but then after reading what you said,it makes me unsure now.Unless maybe the future IS fixed,but we have different paths we can choose that alter the outcome and maybe the dreams are just one scenario,and we can change the outcome by taking a different path.

then everything will go one way eg a straight road without any turns you cant choose where you want to go

That's if we are truly preventing something from happening...

Isn't that what i just said...

Yea, i understand what you're trying to say. Earlier today, i was just thinking the same thing.

This does explain, certain precognitive visions and the possibility of altering one outcome but creating another, in return.

If I am standing on a street corner and I want to cross the
street....I look
both ways first. That is my choice....to look both ways. If I
look both ways and see a car approaching, I wait. If I don't
look both ways and go ahead and cross the street....an oncoming
Chevy Tahoe careens into me, killing me instantly....

....is my death by SUV the future that was written in stone
before I was even born?

I think not. We all make choices in this life and the choices
are for the most part not easy. How is it then that a particular
future can be set? Especially if my decision affects your decision,
which affects their decision, which affects someone
elses decision.............

I perceive that some of you will wonder if my making
the wrong choice was already written in stone....I am just too
much of a realist to believe it happens that way.

Life is too complex. That being said:

Suppose an asteroid the size of Texas and traveling at a
tremendous speed is looming out in space on a course for
Earth that will eventually happen in say 87 years; That sort of
future is not affected by any choice. It just is. So.....yes Bathory,
I think that the future is set in stone, except for that pesky little
thing called life-forms. They just screw up everything don't they?

uhhh, you seem to think that our 'choices' are above the rules of this universe. When i say every molecule i mean every single one, eg the ones that make up our brains dictating our thoughts etc remember when our emotions etc are nothing but chemical induced reactions to stimuli in the 'real world' whats to say that our thoughts are nothing more than a physical thing.

So no, life-forms are also bound by the happy little rules that govern the rest of the universe.

no its not your choice, you either look both ways or you don't, only in hindsight does it become a choice.

its a bit hard to be a realist when we are in effect trying to define something beyond our knowledge, right and wrong are also just a human perception, neither truly exist in the grand scheme of things. The universe doesn't care about right or wrong, its one great big neutral:)

its beyond our knowledge , then you try to explain it ? Unless you were just giving out an opinion rather then a statement then thats a pretty big oximoron then . Also with the part about molecules in brains , how can you be sure we dont have a soul that guides our thoughts ? Their is no way to be sure about something like this , just like you said so I guess you cant really discuss whether or not the future could be determined that way , but assuming that it was just nuerons in our brains and we knew the location and speed / size ect of every molecule and atom in existance we probobly could predict the future . But we can never actually scientifically know souls exist or not .

hmmm that did come out badly didn't it:)
what i was trying to say is that he says he is a realist when reality is such a hard thing to define? does that make sense? even then aside from my comments on choice, its merely opinion...

how can you be sure that it does? seeing as you are the one making the positive assertion, some proof of a soul would be nice:P but yes, i'll concede that in the event of a spiritual side to the universe, of course this theory won't work, it assumes that everything is purely physical

thats one great big contradiction...we've been through it all before:)

why can't it be proven?

I dont see a contradiction there.

Because it is supposed to exist in your body,but cnnot be seen,detected or any other means of finding it.Xeno is right.It cannot be proven or disproven.

well God knows every possibility, but he also knows the one will choose (ignore the whole choice is an illusion for this), he has to know by definition of being God, which means in reality we cannot make a choice. Yes Xeno, we've been through this before and i'm sorry but i guess it had to come up.
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Heres a link to that topic.

so uh by that logic you HAVE to believe that there is a giant chicken with tentacles for legs which cannot be seen or detected by any means living in my house.

That statement is logic at its best.

This is also a good statement.

This is true also. So what means can we use to comprehend such knowledge? I believe that there is life after death, and this is the time when we as humans are able to understand what we couldn't have being in our bodies. Because as joc stated, our brains and senses are limited to what it can only preceive and understand. Anything else, would be considered unknown to man. However there are some people who can, which is where psychics play a role in. They have the ability to understand what "normal" humans (those who do not want to understand) cannot. However, they may not always understand how they are doing it, but are able to do it. Comprende?



If you understand what fastcapy had explained on his theory of "the future" being set in stone, then you can understand how one person can make choices, but in the end its destination will always exist or will it?

That's the only problem, understanding something that cannot possibly be understood. Or can it? I think we need a mind stronger than Einstein to help figure this one out for us. So who's that? Or will dying be the only answer to our questions? If we don't get the answer in this life we might possibly recieve it in the next one.

we do know what electricity is...
here's the dictionary.com definition
The physical phenomena arising from the behavior of electrons and protons that is caused by the attraction of particles with opposite charges and the repulsion of particles with the same charge.

The real question is: How well do we really understand electricity?

There are electrical impulses within our brain, so how do this form of electricity differ from the electricity we normally know?

Copper is a highly used element used to wire homes and technological devices that require a circuit. A property of this element, is the ability of it to quickly "transport" electrons from one end to another. So what is the chemistry and physics of this process? How well do scientists understand this? Why does this element have a greater ability in conducting electricity than others?

So who has the answers? Because i sure don't.

no, the real question is, how well do we really understand anything? *plays twilight zone music*

I second that.

I think the real question is: How well does
electricity really understand us?

But truly: is electricity our slave or; are we the slaves of electricity?

Scientifically speaking, we are not the slaves of electricity. That question personifies electricity and implies that it is able to slave another, especially humans.

We have created electrical circuits to route electricity for people's benifits, Therefore, in response to this question: electricity is our slave--and not vice versa.