it's cool..we agree to disagree, but disagreeing keeps post coming so I will continue to earn this disagree a bit more LOL

Josh you said: Yes, their presence with us did create an imbalance. We became reliant on them.

Yes we became reliant on them pychologically but what I mean by imbalance, look at our world, we act as if we don't live here, like taking a dump in the corner of your living room, that type of imbalance, and to just brush that off, if they are the responsible party, as "well mistakes happen" just for me doesn't cut it..."bit**ch you planned that" (what I feel like saying if they be the responsible party ) and if they didn't they quickly took advantage of what was occuring. But as you said if one believes in what Rael says...of course.

oh and I'm just being joke-ative don't ever take me serious like I'm upset that's just my mannerism

You went on to say: "That's why they don't directly interviene in our affairs - we need to learn things on our own."

This one is interesting because evolutionist, or I should say people who study the development of societies believe that religion, as well as SPIRITUALISM, is a natural development of a society, I of course disagree. I think religion's concepts are taken from spiritual practices (whichI believe develop naturally) or experiences and was thrusted upon us via this outside agent if you will. Again if what Rael said be true, the fact that we saw the elohim as beyond or above us, (they don't need to be here to still affect us), has left a big ole boot print in our back sides, cause that religious impacted us as you can clearly see today, it aint' going no where so how does this help us really learn on our own when we have to first get rid of a unnecessary obstacle such as religion....especially if they according to Rael choose him to deliever yet another type of gospel, how is that not interfering. Do ya see what I mean, based on what you are telling me about this guy he already seems contradictory.

you also went on to say: "Yes, the teachings you give the prophets will eventually be misused and misguided, however the intelligent people who follow those teachings will be able to see the contradictions eg. God hates homosexuals, women are inferior etc. Smart people know that the Bible has some great teachings and that the others are very very wrong."

Unfortunately it is the "smart" people who often are the ones in my opinion that misuse such information. This is akin to giving only a few people in a crowed room the means to aleviate pain with a touch and saying well some how some way the "knowing ones" will figure this all out, were talking about people here, humans!, that which we know a bit more about vs what we know about "THEM".

Nah bro as I said to my uncle yesterday the fact that we see ufos means one or two things, it's our stuff or it aint, and if it aint you better bet your bottom quarter next to the lint in your pocket that they aint order no roses shipped here via the little grey guys...cause they gonna want a tip! I mean for seriously... they aint come all this way to bring us roses! Aint saying there here to destroy us or all of usbut chances are if we really knew what they were doing I dont think we would agree! I mean who died and made them the moral ones, they already shown they can make mistakes (e.g. acting like gods to begin with) now their experts at helping less evolved life forms become more like them what godly ? Yeah and I come on this board because my ideas are so factual it would cause the masses to become overwhlem with grief of sorry setting off a mass trend of sucidal waves when learning via me how things really are. LOL, geez I'm glad I aint the guy in charge...even though I just graduated... from this post!


the whynsos

I think you'll find that the overwhelming majority of people on this planet don't believe they're here at all.

really? Exactly how would one find that out with any certainty? Polls? For every poll that says the majority says one thing there are polls that say another, look at the polls about who is winning the democratic race between Hill and Bama.

whynsos

I'm sure that somewhere out there there's a race that can't talk and use telepathy to communicate, but the ones who are watching over humanity are human just like us. They can talk, but their telepathic organ is highly developed (and I use the world DEVELOPED because they designed us with the ability to be just as telepathic as they are).

-Josh

Ha! Yes, let's keep the disagreement to get more posts and to promote open thought! And yes, I get your jokes!


I see - the imbalance that you talk of is a direct result of them having been here, however we cannot blame them. We were created with the ability to discern right from wrong, and we were even given these direct rules by our creators (again, if you believe in all of this!). So the blatant fighting, disrespect of the environment, and 'dumping' in our own living room is something that we have chosen to do.

It's only a few outstanding individuals who realise that this is the wrong way to go about it. They didn't need religion to tell them that. Intelligent people know that 'dumping' in your own living room is stupid and idiotic and will have a lasting negative impact. This world we live in is a direct result of our decisions, not the presence of the Elohim being here.

I think that spirtualism is a natural thing within humans, however religion is very different. Even the Elohim have a spiritualism of sorts - they connect with the universe and feel a part of the whole thing. Spiritualism, or most importantly, religion means to 'link'. So they feel linked to the universe and to their environment. Actually, many tribal religions feel this link to the mother earth in their spirituality. It's not bad to have spiritualism, as long as the mysticism and silly talk of spirits, souls and gods are taken out of it, I think.

I see what you're saying, that to fix ourselves we need to rid ourselves of religion. This is what Rael's message is all about - its full of teachings and advice from the Elohim, that they've given in order to help us. It's a message for this epoc in time for our understanding. If we listen, peace will flourish on the planet. If we don't, we will continue the violence.

We do need to delevop on our own, but we need guidance. That's what Rael's here for - to guide humanity with this advice from the ones who created it. It is interference I suppose, but it's not a direct interference. They're not landing amongst us and giving us the cure to cancer and telling us how to feed the hungry because we already know how to do all these things, if only we chose to do so. If humanity stopped fighting wars and directed this energy into fixing the planet, I'm of the opinion that there would be nothing we couldn't accomplish. Imagine if the 4 trillion dollars Bush spend on the war in Iraq was directed into curing cancer, or even developing GM foods in order to feed the planet.

We can fix this - but we choose not to.

Yep, I see what you mean when you say who are they to be the moral ones? But I suppose we could look at them like our parents, because they created us. We are their children and we've not yet reached maturity and we're making many stupid mistakes. So they're giving us advice. They're guiding us. But we don't need to listen if we don't want to.

But surely you agree that the teachings of peace, love and non violence is something that's needed? What if we, as a humanity (the child) listened to what the Elohim (our parents) are telling us? We would become peaceful and direct our energies into improving humanity.

If we don't listen, we will continue on our present track - violence, wars, hate etc. And this path can only lead to destruction. If we keep it up, we will eventually self destruct.

No need to call them the 'moral ones'.....its a basic knowledge that we're on the wrong path and that we're dangerously close to dying. Humanity need to fix themselves otherwise we'll self destruct.

-Josh

trust me josh, I beleive in alota stuff (i mean come on, look at my name) but is that just a theory you have? or are you asking it to be taken seriously, as the truth? im actually curious. because Many people think god created all of this, and i really dont believe in any of that. so i think it Possible for something else to do it though. something that can Actually be seen i geuss

What do you mean by saying they created us? Alien created the world or found this planet and planted humans here, or they genetically changed some monkeys to make them a little more intelligent?

Oh I have no doubt that in America polls would find that possibly the majority of citizens believe in alien abduction, visitation (along with '9\11 was an inside job & Elvis is still alive) etc, but this tells us nothing at all about alien life forms, but tells us shed loads about the American psyche & American popular culture.

unfortunately, nothing we (as the public anyways) have can tell us about alien life forms

Exactly.

BUT, when someone, who i guess Could, get their hands on something like that. or Has access to, and has seen something, comes forward. no one believes it. and calls them a crackpot instantly

Yes but the problem is that nobody has come up with 'something like that'. The whole debate is powered by 'the written word' be it on forums like this, or books or interviews or less than convincing videos. People cannot deny irrefutable hard physical evidence, but as yet nobody has come forward with any.

yay!!! we are all aliens!!!!

...uh I know this is kinda obvious but we all know this is just speculation-right, so long as we keep that in the back of our thoughts as we post we can have some seriously good disscussions. But the moment we start saying well none of this is proven or such, then we risk coming face to face with the contradictory reality of being here on this forum...were assuming this is legit and such, I mean we know that right?

the whynsos

We don't even know why we are here, and we demand to know why they are here.

ok...I'm a bit confused, didn't you originally say that the overall majority do not believe that et is here? Not being sarcastic, but just a bit lost at this last statement in reference to the previous one is all.

To Josh I want to talk about this one thing you said in comment "But surely you agree that the teachings of peace, love and non violence is something that's needed? What if we, as a humanity (the child) listened to what the Elohim (our parents) are telling us? We would become peaceful and direct our energies into improving humanity."

Um...where to start, not saying this is you but I remember Jehovah witness coming to my door, (how I love talking with them) and we were talking about the need to be "told" and I said that while that if taken, the advice given from "God" in this instance can be useful, a person is more like to understand something from personal experience and are more likely to react to such a situation with a deeper conviction. Case in point, telling someone to wear their seat belt, yes this is without a doubt essential to their lives, but those same "told" individuals are likely to forget, not take it seriously, or just believe because they are just going down the block real quick it isn't necessary(especially when statics show must accidents happen near our home or work place), especially if distracted. Yet someone who has gotten in an accident and survived, chances of them being distracted and forgetting is unlikely because it is not just something they have to recall, it becomes more of an urge or a internal need or instinct, based on the experience of being in an accident. So allowing a lesser developed race to learn or develop on its own is always far greater then trying to lend a hand especially if that hand is overt even if it was only in the past, after all did all highly evolved et's have a hand, no one learned on their own, I doubt it.

And Rael purpose, sorry to me that is just another form of religion, even if it is denoucing religions, because religions are propaganda tools, and what Rael is was or will be doing is no different, the message maybe, but the action is the same.

The Whynsos

true dat
its just, IMO because were here, and have been for a while, i guess the novelty of that ideas wears off. so we ask about something greater? than us maybe

''ok...I'm a bit confused, didn't you originally say that the overall majority do not believe that et is here? Not being sarcastic, but just a bit lost at this last statement in reference to the previous one is all.''

The overall majority as in global population. as opposed to the population of U.S.A. My point being that the belief in alien visitation is firmly based in popular American culture & as such deeply rooted the the American psyche, & so more people as a percentage believe in visitation in the U.S.A. than compared to the population globally.

Hi,

No I didn't come up with all of this stuff. A man named Rael was given a message by the leader of those ETs who created life and you can read what he told him in Rael's book 'Intelligent Design' at www.rael.org (free download).

All of the information I've been telling you guys is from that book - yes, you may say Rael made it all up and started an 'alien cult', however it'd be better for one to read the book first and then come to their own conclusions.

-Josh

Hello!

They created us through the synthesis of DNA. They designed us from scratch - using some chemicals from the Earth (they found the planet Earth, which had no life on it at all).

At first they created the plants, trees, grass etc. All of these were the works of scientists and artists. The artists designed the life and the scientists put it together.

Eventually some of them decided to design an artificial man 'in our own image, after our own likeness' as it says in Genesis. I don't know the specifics, but they designed our genetic code and synthesised the DNA that contains this code.

In total, there were 7 laboratories set up on Earth in the beginning and each team of creators made man in their own image - which explains why we have different 'races' of humans. But they all used the same blueprint. The first human ever created was Adam....and he happened to be black.

At the moment we are very close to doing the same thing (although on a much smaller scale) - Craig Venter is very very close to making the first synthetic lifeform, made entirely out of chemicals and according to a design.

-Josh

Indeed - I believe that Rael has been given all of this info (who the ET's are, why they're here, where humanity came from/where we're going) etc, however most people call him a cult leader.

Perhaps he has the truth?

-josh

I agree with you - we need to experience life in order to better educate ourselves and to come up with solutions.

Raels purpose is to develop the Raelian Movement in order to welcome our creators to Earth. Once this is achieved, the Raelian movement will disband and then the real 'religion' can start - feeling linked to the environment and the universe.

-josh

Let me just ask you a question then Josh, if none of the leaders from the other religions or "Movements" as you put it was able to spread the word, or in simple forms get it to work, then what makes you think that this one will? Same approach has yet to work, why now?

Not me Spook, i'm indigenous to this planet.

I like the depiction of the flying saucer.

That is basically what many commercial and military pilots, amongst many others, have reported over the years as the flying saucers flew in close-proximity of their aircraft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag44dRO8LEA


When you have seen one for yourself, it leaves you with a sense of awe as was the case in regards to my own sighting in 1968.

I see what you mean - good question.

The other prophets (around 40 in all, including Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, Moses, Krishna etc) did their job well. They messages they taught were true to the original teachings given to the Elohim (we are starting to see new discoveries in religion that show that the original teachings were very different from what the Bible/Koran/Buddhist traditions teach).

It was over thousands of years that these teachings were distorted, twisted and shaped to fit people's needs.

Why will Rael's message stay pure and succeed?

Well, first of all, he is the last of the prophets. We have reached the 'end' time - as in, the time just before the birth of humanity. Very soon we will enter into the galactic age and humanity will be 'born'. All of our history so far has been us 'growing up' so to speak. Now we are reaching maturity.

This being said, the Elohim have given Rael a deadline of 2035 to build the embassy for the Elohim to come. By 2035 humanity will have gone either one of two ways:

1. Humanity takes significant steps to disarm itself and become peaceful and only then will the embassy be built. Then the Elohim will land and help humanity and no further distortions of the message will occur seeing as we will have the creators to help us directly here on Earth.

2. Humanity will have destroyed itself by 2035.

So this is why Rael's message won't begin to be distorted.

-Josh

my responses are in bold



it didn't take thousand of years for christianity to be distorted it barely took a century http://truthbeknown.com/origins.htm

and islam is still practiced now as it was then and even the extremist, well there actually literalist because what they practice is actually in the Quran...

oh and deadlines, that's like the bad guys in the movie putting the hero on a string above a tank of sharks...and then leaving without making sure their actually lowered down into the water...then coming back later only to be surprised and upset things didnt' go the way they planned.

...wow, I just got chills from my days when I was a full blood atheist debating christians in a chat room, yikes.

the whynsos