I seem to always hear if aliens are here that they are somehow here to help us.? Then you have the likes of David Icke who think they are here to harm us in some way.? Then you have the possiblity that is say Sitchin and his followers say they are here for GOLD.?...and on and on, colonization, take over, resources, well resources seems almost like a sure thing, I mean whatever reason they are here, if when in Rome. I'm curious, because I believe they aren't limited by Sitcins rockets and haven't been for some time which makes me think earth was when they originally came here (when that is who knows) was originally intended to be colonized, simply expanding territory.

I will say this, whatever reason they are here it isn't because they "need" to be here, or because they are trying to raise us to the next level of consciousness, in all honesty I think we are a game, wether it started out as such, I believe it ended up as such, and I don't think now or anytime in the future that is going to change. But as we all know this is but speculation and I am interested to see what others have to say, I am not sure if this has been covered already, if it has point to the post and I will continue it from there.

I'm a firm believer in Ultra-Terrestrialism...

they are here because they have no choice, they've been here since day one. Long before we were.

There are many of "they", some of which own this planet as their property, and that's why they sticked around since the first noodles were cooking in the ancient soup of life, others are living here just as we are inhabiting this planet, some are renting it, and some
only come here to work. Some want to regain their lost heritage, others watch over humans.
There are many "them" and many stories tied to why they are here. Stories that last millions of years.

And you claim all this as fact?

Facts exist with or without me, I can only say what I think. So no.

I think they created us and love us and we're just too damn stupid to realize it. That's why they're sticking around. And they'll probably be here with us until the very end.

...as I said I think they are here for a game, and I believe we are dealing with one of the grandest manipulation schemes ever. I'm not sure which ufologist said it, but indeed that ufologist said it best when it was said that "the reason we don't know for a fact with undeniable proof (ufo's landing somewhere in establishing contact) is because the et doesn't want us to know". The fact that we sometimes see them or recall an abduction isn't so much that they are throwing mixed signals, I don't think they care if we see them so long as the official line is that they don't exist. For the longest time I wondered if this were a game why allow us to become so advanced, but ignorantly later realizing our advancements are on a mircoscale, while the cell phone is far more powerful now then the first computers we still use the same outdated technology to go into space. Our society is by far easier to control now that we are in a techno stage. Again I believe it is a game, if the ancient gods are one and the same as the humanoid ets today, then this game has many parts. The first being "playing god physically" in which small populations of humans are established and employed to work and tend to the needs of et. As the population began to explode and becomes "unmanageable" (mythological history is filled with the many efforts of the gods trying to destroy man due to overpopulation, again it becomes physically impossible to manage) the next phase or part of the game is lets play monotheism (now GOD in the abstract form) and see who has the greatest control over this game. The last phase is preparation and destruction for the game to begin again, systematically collecting dna to later repopulate the human race, and manipulating and directing the human race toward a point of self destruction or more likely vulnerable to a system collapse. Any survivors (not many) would retreat back into the forest and et would start over with a fresh new group of home grown humans in a non populated or sparsely populated area.

Imagine that huh....aint imagination and speculation a gem

If they were really visiting us ( wich I believe they aren't) I believe they would have been here long time ago, but not since day one, like some have claimed here before, or to harm us ( have been watching Spielberg movies to much eh?) they would be here to watch evolution and study it and see a civilization rise, I belive that if they were here they would be here since the end of the dinosaurs.

If they really would like to harm us they would have done it since they stepped on the planet since they would have the capability to do so.

And they woudn't come here just for gold, there are planetoids and asteroids in space wich are much more rich in gold and other precious minerals than Earth, some asteroids are even pure gold or composed of many precious minerals.

What do you mean "they have no choice"? Maybe they come here like tourists, on vacation, or for them it's like a trip to the zoo. I can imagine a little grey talking to his father: "Dad,look at the fat little one, can I have him? can I? please ! I promise to take good care of him!!!" I think when you have the technology to travel great distances through space and maybe from one dimension to another, you really have a lot of choices. Or maybe they are just observing us for some really nasty purpose of theirs.

Yep you hit paranoia alright. That about were are to "damn stupid" was kind of insulting, but of course that includes you too no? I thought so.

P.S. I have just noticed that this thread is mear speculation....

P.S. I have just noticed that this thread is mear speculation....
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...better late then never eh?

I don't have a problem with accepting that. Humans haven't been on earth all that long.

Speculation? That makes a change, I must say. Usually these things are characterised by absolute certainty on the part of everyone...

shantie, please teach me how to enable emoticons. Step-by-step, please. TIA.

Nature has put us side by side.

We don't like having creepy crawlies or rats in our houses, but we just both co-exist in the same place at the same time.

Some pretty good ideas here.
My own personal belief about races from different planets would be based on three types. They are those that come here to steal rescources and that could harm us if we get in the way. Those that are merely travelers and dont really care or it's nothing to do with them, because they are just passing through. And those that actually want to see us learn to help ourselves to evolve. these maybe sometimes give us a little help in some form or other.

However, I do agree that their are races that are already here and they influence human order for thier own purposes. I believe these ones were dumped here without technology. But because they had knowledge of science and because they possessed a more matured genetic and cerebral structure. They were able to easily manipulated humans who excepted them as gods and who built them kingdoms and worshipped them no matter what atrocities they performed. Maybe it wasn't that humans accepted being inferior and conformed with this, its more that they knew that they were inferior and were forced to conform.

...perhaps it is just my bias but why is it that we always think of ET as being bad like stealing our resources as lerocket just said or being dropped here (thats an interested thought) or if they are good here to observe and or help us, let me ask this, WHY would they help us, I don't care how good one thinks ET would or could be what would be in it for them, and again as someone pointed out why would they come all the way to earth I mean the moon alone has enough helium 3 and other raw materials it is safe to say if they made it this far I am sure they would have the ability to mine the moon just as easy. Just somethings to ponder is all,

If there here to harm us like the likes of David Icke believes to take over, for what purpose and to what end?

If they are here to help us again for what purpose and to what end?

If our speicies were more advanced then another would you really be trying to help them become as advanced or even set them on a course to reach the level you are on, if so why would you?

Keep in mind fellow poster that good and evil are not natural characteristics they are characteristics of an actor in a theatrical performance, so to say that ET is GOOD implies that ET along with humans are some how involved in a theatrical event which is entire at odds with known reality which lacks such qualities. Incidentally one might even say ironically that may very well be the case at least for us because it is pretty much what I believe is taking place at least in these neck of the cosmic woods involving at least one group of ETs and us humans.

i could agree with that.
it would make sense as to 'why' theyre here, and keep visiting us. possibly studying us, the way we do with animals.

Has anyone ever thought that maybe they're asking themselves the exact same question: who are they? (i.e. us)? What are they doing on our planet?

I mean this theory holds water to a certain degree. It fits in with the patterns of them 'Taking what they want without asking'....I mean we don't ask for animals permission to test them. Animals operate on a lower scale of intelligence to fully understand what we are trying to achieve (however NO i'm not a fan of animal testing)...we could very well be the same. It explains why they haven't announced themselves to the world.....I mean....would we have a conversation with a lower lifeform like a cockroach?

The problem is, when you factor that in with the concept of 4th Dimensionality...it makes no sense. These things supposedly pop up in cave paintings, have been attributed to be present at great moments in history, and have supposedly been written about in the bible....

that is a LONG period of time to be studying us.

Bear in mind that some cave paintings from France and Spain date back over 20,000 years.

That's a LOT of anal probes for them to have not learned enough and still be sticking around.

To combat this, many people will throw crazy theories such as time travel into the mix to support the extra-terrestrial observation theory.

I don't doubt that there is a degree of curiousness on their behalf about the goings on of our world, but it must be the universe's most useless expenditure of time, effort and resources to study a species for 20,000 years.

That is of course, if its actually humanity that they are interested in

If they really are here, they're surely beeing pretty secret about it and not wanting to make contact. Instead they obduct and do research, could mean maybe we're they're little "project" who knows this stuff. Just my guess.

I say we are here cause of "them". They probably seeded life here or maybe this is there home too? I say we can't get proof of them being here without them letting it happen.

What are "they" ?

It would be inconceivable to share a planet at our current level of technology unawares of each other wouldn't it?

And to be here for so long, isn't it also inconcievable that no body has been found? Not a single acidental fatalaty in millenea?

I think the implication (well certainly on my behalf) is that the co-habitation is inter-dimensional.

John Keel writes a rather interesting account of the theory in his book 'Operation Trojan Horse'.

...not for much of nothing, but I am guessing either my idea is old news or isn't really that good, water under the bridge huh? I thought I would get at least one response

News flash: speculation IS the only basis for a discussion on this topic that might lead to some sense of whats going on. If you don't want to speculate on why they're here, then please fee free to option out. This is an excellent topic that, for one, might inspire someone who knows the 'truth' to spill the beans incognito. Secondly, I personally enjoy exploring the logic of others and maybe, just maybe, by combining fragmented disinformation tactfully released for our consumption with a blitz of opinions and speculations, the puzzle will start to come together for some of us.

There's probably not one answer why they're here as several argueably credible groups and individuals claim that we're being visited by more than one 'race'. Unless the purpose is orchistrated by a dominant race, each may have their own agenda. Otherwise, there could be as many reasons as there are races, multiplied by the number of specialized groups within each race. I have no doubt that 'they' are here, have been here for thousands of years and are visiting for a variety of reasons, not all of which are beneficial to humans. However, one visit documented by the USAF during a defcon 4 status in the cold war had UFOs change the programmed strick targets for both US and Russian nuculear missles to hit their own cities. I'd have to conclude that a demo of their capabilities and preservation of the earth was likely the reason for that visit.

In general, some appear to be interested in DNA manipulation, experimenting with hybird alien/humans, some in monitoring or even contributing to our technological advances and some to discourage corruption and possibly destruction of the planet. Like humans, some appear benevolent and others cold and impersonal. To reduce speculation, it would be nice to know where these ETs come from (inter-deminsional, or super high-tech space travel). Regardless of what the 'truth' is, nothing could challange my religious beliefs, but I'd sure like to hear what everyone else thinks based on their own personal wiring and experiences.

Is it possible that they may just be a biological/bionic /remote controlled /whatever beings programmed and genetically engineered to travel space/time and simply observe life here on this planet for others and nothing more ?

If they are sent from other beings it may be that they are not programmed/made to communicate with us. Either they are unable or it is unnecessary ?

Are emotions and communication interconnected ? Is one possible without the other ? If they have no emotions then possibly we will not be able to accept them and they know this.

Maybe they simply cannot communicate with us because we simply can't comprehend their thought processes and possibly vice-versa. So there is no point in attempting to try. Maybe they just don't care one way or the other.
We may be completely meaningless to them like turds on the sidewalk.

I just realised just because they are technologically advanced lots of people assume that they are far more intelligent.

This may not be necessarily true.

Maybe they stumbeled upon this technology to advance themseves in this way but they may still be complete morons in some other aspects.

There are people like this too that are extremly gifted mentally in some form and totally lacking in other ways.

They may have a part of their brain that's very advanced /evolved but sorely lacking in other parts.

Certain parts of our brains may be far advanced in comparison to theirs.

But remember they may just be some others creations, designed only to fulfill a limited role or roles.

Here as in where? The Holiday Inn? Where?

hahahahaha...do you know "where" here is?

But WHERE are they sticking around at???

Does anyone know "where" they can be reached at?

OOOh ok, they visit, I never saw them

I think they are visitors,but I also think they are pretty stupid flying around in our atmosphere so close to the earth.How do they know that we aren't watching,and how do they know that we won't try to catch one to study it, like they have reportedly done to us?Could it be they are just as scared of what we could do as we are as scared of what they could do.Neither knowing what all the other is capable of ?

if you had advanced technology that allowed you to travel to other planets why wouldnt you, maybe we are a tourist attraction lol

well the implication in the thread is that "here" is the planet earth, in our present time.

It's about as obvious as a naked man standing on a ladder in the middle of Rodeo Drive, holding a sign that says "I'm obvious".

"Where" where ever it is comfortable for you shantiel

I believe that they're here and that they've been here for quite a long time. I believe that they have more advanced abilities in travel and in technology all the way around. I just can't accept that we are THE ONLY ONES out in space. It's just not fathomable, nor does it make sense to me.

I'm a firm believer int hat all the "evidence" and circumstances point to hostility and at the most positive, neutrality/apathy. People believing that they're here to help is very typical and idealistic and reminds one of why people cling to religion despite the lack of evidence that "religious" phenomena have anything to do with a higher, helping power. The fact that the creatures described are often Aryan in appearance, or cute little green men-types adds credence to this.

"They", theoretically, have kept themselves hidden, have not contributed any advances that a race capable of extensive space travel should be able to, and the reports of abductions/mutilations strike me as most compelling. If indeed the devices supposedly implanted in people were, in fact, alien in nature, then they were implanted with secrecy and without permission from the host. They hide and do their dirty deeds under the radar. I don't believe any well-meaning civilization would do such, not for waiting until we're enlightened, not for fear of persecution, not for anything. Taking it all at once and making a general conclusion, I get a bad vibe.

This is all very out there and speculative, though.

I tried to find a post where I explained myself better, but I don't want to sift through all that, just got this:

"I think it should be obvious now that if there IS a presence, they're not here to help. Not saying they're here to harm, but not denying that either. Other explanations come too close to religion for comfort: a higher, comforting being, saviours, new knowledge/abilities without us achieving them ourselves, added to the supposed appearance of these aliens (blond, tall, beautiful, pale, light eyes? These features are universally attractive and desirable.)."

If they're real.. I can't help but feel that perhaps they created us and have been here since the beginning. I believe they made the dinosaurs also & possibly played a role in their extinction, they probably got tired of their creation so they got rid of them. I believe sadly that perhaps maybe we're all just one big experiment for the greys and they've secretly watching us see us to see how we evolve and what we can become. The abductions people are experiencing are probably them doing tests on us to see how we've evolved, watching our every move to study us. I think they also played a role on various religions and have influenced us with their technology in some way. Possibly visiting our ancestors in the past and giving them knowledge about the stars and life..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLbII1qjH38

EXACTLY!

-Josh

I don't think there are here for a game. You're right, the reason why we don't have a full on, undeniable official contact is because they don't want to officially meet us as yet. When we sometimes see their craft, it's a subtle way of them showing themselves in order to educate us that they are out there and that they are watching.

They did 'play god' when they first created us, because they were afraid that we would advance too quickly and become a threat to them. We were their first creations, so obviously they didn't know what to expect. They didn't destroy us in the Biblical 'flood' due to overpopulation, it was done so because their government saw that humans had become violent and that no good could come out of their genetic 'experiment'. Once they learnt that they had been created in the same way, they vowed never to destroy humanity again because they realised that we were real people and not just an experiment.

They aren't waiting or helping us to self destruct, instead, they have educated special people from amongst us in order to teach us their philosophy of love and peace (Jesus, Buddha etc), however these prophets from the religions had their teachings distorted and humanity misunderstood/changed their teachings for their own personal gain (see the Catholic Church!).

Our humanity has almost grown up - we are mature enough now to understand our creators, scientifically. However, we are still violent and primitive. They have a person here on Earth that they contacted and he's spreading their message in order to open our minds to the idea of an official contact with our creators. They can't land if we're violent and primitive. They want a meeting between two mature and peaceful races. This man they contacted is called Rael and you can read what they told him in his book which you can get for free at www.rael.org

-Josh

You make some great points and I agree - they have been here for a long time and if they wanted to harm us they would have done so already.

They certainly wouldn't come here for gold! Why would an advanced race of beings need gold? That's like the US Navy invading a small tropical island for coconuts! Just because gold is a 'precious' metal to us doesn't mean that it is to them. Perhaps they live on a gold planet, where fertile soil is as rare as gold and perhaps their economic system is based on soil reserves!

If they are capable of space travel, they are capable of scientifically creating gold if they so wished, with nanotechnology. All they need do is change the atomic structure of any object into AU.

-Josh

I'm glad I looked at some of my old posting, was really interested in this topic of speculation. Josh I know were speculating, but exactly how do you know or I should say why do you believe we were their first creation? In the first written works there isn't a debate as to what man is, just that he is the solution to solving the dilema of replacing the lesser gods from having to work "like men". It can just as easily be said that creating man is no harder for them then it is for us to genetically create crop.

They did 'play god' when they first created us, because they were afraid that we would advance too quickly and become a threat to them....

They aren't waiting or helping us to self destruct, instead, they have educated special people from amongst us in order to teach us their philosophy of love and peace (Jesus, Buddha etc), however these prophets from the religions had their teachings distorted and humanity misunderstood/changed their teachings for their own personal gain (see the Catholic Church!).

...you see the problem I have with these two above statements is something very simplistic and almost always overlooked by ufologist and interventionist and the like. That it was by accident they were viewed as gods and now their trying to help us and such...Sorry don't buy it. If you introduce greater intelligence in a spieces that was living with nature that other wise didn't have or need such a level of intelligence, you quickly have an imbalance. If you pick a few members of this spieces to spread whatever "gospel" there is going to be a risk of contamination and misuse. ANY INTELLIGENCE CAN QUICKLY SEE THIS EFFECT (or better still forsee such an effect)! So to say they are doing this to help us or subtle comings upon our air crafts, and lets not forget the entire abduction phenomenon all geared to help us, FOR WHAT?!? This is a well organized and controlled game with many players, geared toward the purpose that any game has, an experience and probably not just an experience but a greater experience each time. I don't believe and this is still speculation obviously, that they travel thousands of light years to come here, hardly, I believe they are "Columbus-ing" the galaxy or this portion of the galaxy and seting up shop. Perhaps every quadrant they colonize they pick a planet or two in each section to play the game of gods. Maybe the revolt of the lesser gods was instigated maybe the text are all fabricated who knows, but what is known is that in all ancient text, the gods created man, and that is what they claimed to do CREATE man, not come and teach the natives but CREATE something (even if via the natives), mostly say that man was created to SERVE the gods. One creates (if one has the capability) intelligence because it is easier to control and manipulate! We create paths through mountains and jungles because it is easier for us to traverse them not because there weren't any previous paths to traverse. Like all life were conservatives and I doubt it would be different for ET so to enlightened another species even over a long period of time would be to envoke competition especially if your encouraging free will, I don't think so. To willing give up such a title as god or gods because you had a change of heart story belongs on the big screen. Man has not gained awareness since we began recorded history if anything we've become less aware if not intentionally steered down that path and more technologically capable to subconsciouly compensate for our lack of awareness I believe. So exactly for WHAT REASON (that is the key question) are they "preparing us". What it seems to me is they are creating conflict through manipulation perhaps because this era is about to end or they want it to end, to create a smoke screen and eventually will began again with a sparse population and reasserting themselves with new creation (perhaps the hybrids) taking up the title as creator gods.

Perhaps none of that is true, but here to help us, ok the best help would be to leave us be, remember early civilized man claimed civilization was a gift of the gods, the most overt form of control.

the whynsos

I've always thought it would be interesting to find out that we are living among 4th dimensional beings. Not only would we never know without the assistance of technology or the beings themselves, but the 4th dimensional beings would almost seem god like to us, as our dimensional limitations would hold have no bounds to them.

A good example would be taking a look on how we can interact with a closed cardboard box. We can pick up the box and move it around and see all angles of the box through rotation as well as see what is behind the box if we move it. However we are unable to see whats inside the box as the walls of its height, width, and depth prevent us (no you can't open the lid, thats cheating!). But a 4th dimensional being could see all sides of the box, its insides AND surroundings at any given moment.

Also a 3 dimensional object can't willingly interact with a 4 dimensional object, but a 4 dimensional object could interact with a 3 dimensional object at its discression. An example of this would be you reading the funnies in the sunday paper. The 2 dimensional cartoons could never interact with you or even comprehend you as you're not within their 2 dimensional plane. But as an observing 3 dimensional being you can do what they would consider god like things such as crumbling the paper, looking behind it, tearing it, fold it, etc.

....Massive speculation for those of you that need it to be obvious

Lol, and I am sure Dilbert would still be just as sarcastic (and funny) if we made our selves known to them.

Dilbert "...so the box to my left is my past and the box to the right my future, and the one in the middle is my present? So my question is will I get laid or stay with this erect tie for ever?"

In reading what the Elohim told Rael (if you believe what Rael says) that they said that we were their first created humanity. Back on their planet they had created many things, but due to popular opinion and fear of their creatures, they were told to take the experiments off-world.

I agree that creating us was most likely a simple process for them.

Yes, their presence with us did create an imbalance. We became reliant on them. That's why they don't directly interviene in our affairs - we need to learn things on our own. Yes, the teachings you give the prophets will eventually be misused and misguided, however the intelligent people who follow those teachings will be able to see the contradictions eg. God hates homosexuals, women are inferior etc. Smart people know that the Bible has some great teachings and that the others are very very wrong.

No abductions - the Elohim don't abduct people. I think this is a new phenomenon that perhaps is misused in order to spread fear about aliens.

That's cool that you believe what you believe about them.....I guess we agree to disagree!

-Josh

If youve ever seen the alien interview, they make a good point for why its difficult to communicate with them. THEY CANT TALK. they are Tellipathic (spelling?)