for the purpose of considering this topic, lets assume that you are a christian.

ive recently been talking with someone on here who's child goes to a christian school. somehow in converstation it came up that if a girl enrolled at the school becomes pregnant, it automatically calls for expulsion.

is the reflective of the attitude christ would have us display? do you think the action taken is extreme, or justified?

i understand that "rules are rules" and that they must be enforced without exceptions. my problem is not with the enforcement of the rules but with the rule itself. of course things like violence or harassment should call for expulsion, but i dont feel that pregnancy should call for exile.

i dont feel that christ would turn his back on a young girl who made a mistake.

this is something that actually i would expect from a state-run school, who follows no creed prompting forgiveness. yet they display more forgiveness than a school that by its namely nature should show love and acceptence. SEEING AS WE ALL SIN!!!!!


but thats just me. thoughts?

Perhaps because public education does not try to condemn a person because of their actins, while religious schools find that a student becoming pregnant violates tenets of their faith?

All too often, supposed followers of the carpenters son, lack his purported capacity for forgiveness.

so you think they fail the "what would jesus do" test lol?

Most definately.

I don't see a problem with this law. Using the "if Jesus were here" argument is futile, because if Jesus were here, he'd forgive the school bully who hospitalized a kid, and he'd forgive the boy who fell in with a bad crowd and peddled drugs. But these are generally automatic expulsions, and are violent and invasive. Jesus would forgive them also.

The school is quite within its right to make this rule. I don't think they are being judgemental or unforgiving in making this rule. As long as parents have a choice to take their child to a different school, then it is not wrong. The School has every legal, ethical, and moral right to do so.

Secular schools don't have the same issue with pre-marital sex as Christians. To many, premarital sex has become normal, even expected. Teenagers are expected to experiment, and so for secular schools, there is an expectation that a small number of experimenters might actually get preggers. In this Christian school, there is no such expectation. The expectation is "no sex". It is a fundamental difference. It does not mean that one is more forgiving than the other. It means they are holding different ideologies.

I know there are those who think the rule should be removed from this school, but I don't agree. The school is doing what it thinks is right based on its morality. They wouldn't hesitate to expel a bully, so why change with this? Having a child isn't just an innocent mistake. It can cause serious health issues in both mother and child. It is harmful to have children young, and this school has taken steps to try and ensure that it doesn't happen.

That is their right to do so. Whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant. It is not judgemental to put the rule there. it is not judgemental to enforce it once it is there. That's as I see it, at least.

~ PA

I went to a christian school and a girl got pregnant,Yes she was tossed out of our school,She was seen as an emberesment to our weak ass pastor,The strength in there school is only as strong as the pastor,shame,everyone sins and that is what makes us human,Christ would not turn his back on this girl for making that kind of mistake,it is our lost sence of right and wrong that condems us all.why do we keep on punishing those that make mistakes and show no mercie? that keeping someone out of school for being pregnant should not be!! they need more help now than ever before and to keep them from an education will only make our young people and us suffer.Christian schools are the worst ,You want to raise troubled kids send them to Christian schools,and let them be brain washed to someone elses beliefs,think twice.

PA, If the girl were raped, and through religious teachings, knew that abortion is wrong, would it still be moral to remove her from the school for being pregnant? Just a hypothetical that came to mind when I read your post.

I was just going to ask that same thing. lol.

I would think the school rules would have a caveat dealing with rape. The woman didn't go out to have sex. It was a rape. It was not consensual sex. Double check taht with the school if you like, though I am pretty sure that this is how it would work. So in short, it would not be moral to remove her from the school in this instance, but I don't think that would happen.

My children attend a christain school. It is against School Policy for any type of boy/girl "relationship" no notes no talk no nottta. plain and simple. The children also have to be Accepted, they can not attend this school unless they pass approval status. even the home must pass as well. They must agree to the School's Policy and rules themselves, as well as the parents. There is nothing in fine print either you agree to go by "their rules " if you want to send your children there . So If a rule is broken then it is in their place to remove the child from the school. If a young lady was to get rapped and pregnant she would not be in acceptance. Its THEIR rules not the parents.

I wouldn't even send my dog to a place like that

this is embarassing to me as a christian. yeah, lets just pick and choose which tenents of christs' words we wish to enforce.

violent crimes, of course would be different.

That is Your Choice. That is why we have Public School, Private School, and Private Christain Schools.

That is also why you must pay to for private school.

Well I wouldn't send my cat either, so how about that

just because god condemns an action as wrong, i dont feel it give us the right to pass judgement on others. god condemns certain things so that we have something to shoot for. jesus explicitly stated that judgement is reserved for god alone. i understand the purpose of the rule to discourage this behavior. but they must find another way to deal with this without so blatantly ignoring gods commandment of forgiveness.

i am not argueing with the enforcement of the rule, though. the girl knew what would happen if this occured. but i dont feel expulsion is the right punishment, especially for a school that bears christs' name.

Thing is almost every person that I have talked too that go's to those types of schools have been agressivly atheist or at leaste agnostic i have never once met a person that whent to one of those schools that stayed christian.

perhaps if they had practiced what they preached, things wouldnt end up that way?

Again that is YOUR CHOICE. That is the whole point. children do not have to attend private shool it is done out of choice.

The children that attend the school with my children not all but most have/due remain a christain. and serving God is their number one priority.

So you're saying that a Christian school is typically (as are you apparently) okay with further punishing a girl that has been tormented against her will, and left her emotionally and physically changed for the rest of her life? I was cool with the explanations of intentionally having sex and getting pregnant. Fine, part of their teachings and rules, I'll buy that. But your saying if this girl had been continuously going to this school, abided by the rules, got straight A's...she was still have to be punished for being raped?

That makes no sense to me. No sense at all. Especially, not from a Christian perspective. However, I imagine not all Christians or Christian schools go so far as to be that strict...if I recall correctly, earlier in the post, PA disagrees with being expelled by way of rape.

I understand where your coming from Skim Milky, it isnt passing judgement when the rule is already put in place. it isnt condeming when a child/parent know the laws/rules and dont abhed to them, that is the same as we as christains know we should live a clean and holy lifestyle and not be partakers of another mans sin, nor be lovers of this world. now if we willingly go and do the things that christ forbid us to do KNOWINGLY then we are in the wrong and are toying with Gods rule. HE also tells us to obey the ones that have rule over us. so if we go and do what he tells us not to do is that right, if we go and rob a home or kill a family will punishment not occure?

If a home is in "ORDER" then a young lady shouldnt be in a stiutaion to where something of that sort would happen to her. and in order inst a young lady wearing doing going as she pleases. how many Amish girls are in the news for haveing something of this sort of thang happen to her? If we want to presreve our children and keep them, its our Job to see that they are.

I do beleive this is a very deligate subject that should be handle in the sort. But we can not tolerate bending the rules. what will that teach the other children/parents ? and yes I hold parents responsible for all actions of their children. big or small.

That is because in Amish communities, there are usually only Amish people. They all live together under the same set of rules and principles. It does not work that way in the real world.

My friend, who I shall for reasons that don't need to be shared remain nameless, was on a road trip with her sister to Washington. They stopped at a truck stop in Idaho to take a pee brake. When she walked out of the bathroom a man was waiting outside for her. He put a gun to her head where he led her behind the building a raped her. Her sister having seen from the car what happened called the police, unfortunately being in the middle of nowhere, the police were too late. I think the did finally catch up to the guy...but not in time to stop what had for the rest of her life hurt and left her tarnished. She was brutually beaten as well...she can now not have children.

The point I'm making here, is what if she were a student at this "Christian" school? What if she'd gotten pregnant? You're going to say there was some sort of "disorder" that led for this to happen to her? That leaving her home to visit family with her sister was a horrible situation that got her into her OWN trouble and it's her OWN fault this happened? Unlikely. I see no logic behind your arguments. Perhaps that's just me though.

The Amish communities are part of the real world. Im sorry to hear of your friends mishap. but why did her sister sit and watch? that makes no sense to me, is it better to give into pressure than watching someone committe such a crime. she is as much to blame for only sitting there and calling the cops and not doing nothing. That could have been prevented, could it not? for someone to do such an act she had plenty of time to react to people around, if it was such a horrible place why would she allow her sister to go by herself.
If she had been a student at this christain school, she would not have been alone in put into such a situation. The young ladies are taught just that.

Im saying preventative measures can be taken to protect young ladies. Your friend is a excellant example.

I was once watching an Ingmar Bergman film, and at some point there was a guy drowning. There must have been at least 7 men watching him drowning, but none of them could do a thing because they were all just standing there and were completely paralyzed by the terrible sight of the guy drowning. Suddenly, one single guy came to himself and got in the water and saved him while everyone else still just stood there paralyzed.
No one knows how they will react in certain situations until they've tried them.
Don't get wicked, sbradj. Naughty, naughty

so what you suggest is that young women should live in constant fear of anothers sin in the name of a truly "forgiving" faith?

It is impossible to give an honest/accurate response to the scenario outlined, without having more details of the situation. Was there a rule that any one who was even a little bit pregnant had to leave.? If so how would they know or enforce this. Was there an expectation that a non married student who was obviously pregnant would find it difficult to continue at school for physical, social and emotional reasons? State schools in Australia once tsrongly discouraged late pregnancies at school for many reasons, other than religioius ones. Now they try to keep girls at school as long as possible and some larger city scools make provisions for children to stay at the school while the mum completes her education.

Many govt and non govt schools make rules based on different cultural expectations. Kids at our govt schools are still required to wear a uniform, and may be sent home if they do not wear one, although this is not normal, as it tends to disadvantage the educational opportunities of some.

I was watching this American show where two girls were charged with a PDA on a bus. Now, I thought, why the fuss over having a computer on a bus. Imagine my shock when I found that some states in America have laws against "Public Displays of Affection (In this instance kissing ) on public transport. I guess they were bussing on a bus This is so weird, in the Australian cultural setting, that i really thought it was a joke, until I realised that all the commentators were treating it with deadly earnest.

In general I accept the right of private schools to set standards which can not be applied in govt schools.This is one reason for having a dual system of education in Australia. Many parents need more specific negotiated expectations of behaviour and more specific sanctions than state schools can provide, due to the need for them to be inclusive.

The Christian school i sent my daughter to for a year was, aside from wearing uniforms, having a bible class and harsher punishments for swearing,fighting and disrespecting a teacher, was pretty much the same as any other school! And the yearly fee and all the other fees they dinged me with through out the year for all kinds of events and extra,s they said my child would miss out on if i was too cheap too care, cost way more than the worth of the education! So back to public school she went!