Hello Everyone,

I'm listening to a radio show that's talking about the fringe science that the Nazis worked on during WWII and it reminded me about how they actually did studies and practiced the occult. I was wondering if anyone out there in forum land knows of a good book that discusses this topic, or even just a story about the topic. Whenever I've heard about their interest in the occult, I always wondered just how far they took it and what kind of practices they did and to what results.

Thanks everyone!!

I would think that most of the evidence about this had been destroyed during the war. If they wanted it to keep confidential they could have even destroyed it themselves to keep it out of unwanted hands.

While it's not hard to imagine a link between the Nazi's and the occult, this is the first I've heard of it.

I,ve heard many stories and saw a program where they showed a round chamber that they held meetings and rituals in with the natzi elite. But i really havn,t seen or read to much on the subject. I,m sure that someone here will come along that has though, and it will be interesting to hear what they say!

Which was mostly Neo-Germanic religious mumbo jumbo. There are authors, even contemporary authors, of the so called Occult Nazi affiliation could not present any conclusive evidence. But then again, 99% of the so-called occult is speculation and we are not sure about the 1% remaining.

Well, the most famous story would be that of the Spear of Destiny. It's supposedly the spear that pierced Jesus' side while he was on the cross. Somehow Hitler got a hold of it and it seems like he believed in its power. There's a good line of documentaries on the occultisme prevalent among the Nazi. They had search parties going to Tibet to look for the Aryan roots, for example and believed that Atlantis had once been located in Helgoland. I also recall that the SS was in essence quite focused on the occult and that its headquarters were rife with symbolism. A google search should give you loads of sites where you can look these things up.

And before Hitler became a celebrity he seems to have hung out quite frequently with the Thule Gesellschaft. They've had some seriously bizarre ideas and it's suggested by some that's where Hitler picked up a few of his more... outlandish ideas.

There's many... the Thule
http://www.crystalinks.com/thule.html
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Nazi_m...nces/id/4804381

then there's the Golden Dawn.. with links to the British...
http://www.intelinet.org/swastika/swasti02.htm
http://www.macedonianhr.org.au/Greece_Golden_dawn.html

there was also a link between the Golden Dawn and Scientology....

http://www.lermanet.com/scientology-and-oc...d-the-beast.htm

http://www.aberree.com/v01/n05p13.html

Strange Conflict by Dennis Wheatley also raises the issue of the Nazis and the Occult. Its a good read even if it isnt what your looking for Buddharat

Thank's to everyone. This is more then I hoped for (though if anyone has more, I'm not going to turn it down). I'm definately going to wade through this and check it out.

I know that one of the first things Hitler did when Austria was annexed was to get the Spear of Longinus into his possession. Also called the Spear of Destiny, the legend is that the owner can not be defeated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spear_of_Destiny

There is a show on the History Channel, and it happens to be repeating soon:

http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=det...pisodeId=205699

The air date is October 1.

Hitler annexed Austria because he was annexing every country where German was spoken that would let him. Besides, he WAS Austrian.

the nazi's misuse of one of humanities oldest symbols-the swastika. before the nazis was a sacred sign for pretty much every culture in the world at some point or another, from england to north america with the obvious cases of india, thailand etc.
also, the ss runes were part of himmlers crackpot melange of teutonic/arryan history rewrite of german history.

there's always irminenschaft. there are plenty of people who still practice this today.

there is a couple of books my other half has just ordered from amazon.... ill grab the names of them and get right back to you.

Good one, I saw that show the other month and thought it was worth mentioning. There is also links to Hitler meeting with aliens and interactions there. I remember chasing info on it a while ago and Googling provided heaps of websites on it.
Here's some info from this website: http://www.ufocasebook.com/nazihistory.html
Nazi History Of Alien Contact
edited by Jane Davis

When Adolf Hitler spread his message of hatred, genocide, and oppression, as having been inspired by a blond race of superhuman warriors referred to as Aryans, it is assumed through historical accounts that this was simply the contrived mythology of a madman.

These same accounts omit representation that Adolf Hilter was a member of demonic UFO cult worshipping cabals, and was an apparent UFO contactee, by the same Extraterrestrial group which Hilter sought to glorify.

The Nazis themselves claimed that an extraterrestrial society was the source of their ideology and the power behind their organization. Nazi mysticism, indeed, was reportedly a direct product of cult worship to Manipulative Extraterrestrials.

The Nazis referred to their hidden extraterrestrial masters as underground supermen. Hitler believed in the supermen and claimed that he had once met one of them, as did other members of the Thule leadership.

Some reports also allege that Adolf Hitler escaped capture by the U.S. and its Allies with the assistance of Manipulative Extraterrestrials.

or this site is back into the Occult, all very interesting. http://www.illuminati-news.com/hitler-occult.htm

Much of what has been written linking Hitler's Nazi party with the occult is pure fantasy. Very few of the high-ranking members of the Nazi party practised anything other than one of the many version of Christianity. Hitler himself was raised and remained throughout his life a Catholic.

Here is a more sober look at the beliefs of the Nazi party...sorry, but it's not as interestingly shocking as the more fantastical theories abounding on the internet. Guess people like to believe the more lurid tales rather than research the more mundane truth.

The UFO phenomenon took off in WWII with constant observation being a priority, and many still hold it as a distraction from troop movements. Although, it still became mainstream, for awhile.
Foo Fighters, or as they were typically called, boggies, were often seen. They did, however, present/prevent too much strategy involvement. So, it became typical to not report them. Or have them explained away as 'experimental craft'.

When it was gathered from Allied Intelligence, the Reich doctrined, saying they were 'cause'. This could have an impact on how things were handled when one was spotted. You wouldn't want directly observable movement towards, so you could disregard what was in fact an actual enemy craft.

Some, not many, still talk of their experiences with unknown air craft at the time. Which were more so than usual due to the unusual amount of flight time. Maneuvers, and such.

Actually ive heard of a practice they did to the Jews and Nazi's skulls..
they would fill em up with beans to see which skull held more and whoever did
was like smarter....of course the nazi's would jamm beans in there so they
actually won on each test....this is the only one that i know of...
have you tried to look up some in the internet?
possibly google, yahoo, aol, and dogpile would be my choices...
you can try it...

Didn't Hitler used to consult an astrologer for information on when it was best to attack etc, having said that I heard that Churchill also consulted an astrologer. Mind you, it may be false information....

You might find the documentary Nazis: The Occult Conspiracy interesting.

Part 1 (1 hour)
Part 2 (1 hour)

Now, it's not a "conspiracy" in the sence of the word maybe, but these videos point out how the Nazi regime used all kinds of occult practice, symbols, belief system and so on.

Many leaders do. Hillary consulted the Swami for Martha Roosevelt whilst there before, to know of what cast's the Chadwicks' would lore. HaHa!

Seriously, though, many do. It's not a local phenomenon, really. As long as it's told to be ..cool..

I never heard anything about nazis practicing the occult. That is completely new to me. Now I know they dabbled with interest in UFO's. That is a very interesting subject.

All in all it makes a lot of sense to me though. I fear the occult. I totally believe in that stuff. I have seen quite a bit of it and have talked to people who have dwelled with it. I am convinced powerful demon entities would have possessed Nazi's. It would really explain their hatred and hunger for blood. When man deals with murder and killing and death, it always subjects him to a darkness unseen. We would just assume it's a bunch of people who have lost their minds, but it's more than that. It's Demonic influence.

I myself have been possessed. I did not enjoy it. It was the scariest moment of my life. Anyone who plays with the Occult does not know what they are playing around with. Hell is not going to be your friend or sympathize with you. It will only seek to destroy you or use you to destroy.

Yes, Hitler was a follower of astrology. It is said that in the waning months of the war he refused to listen to any advice of his generals and instead based his decisions on astrological signs. It is also said that once the Nazis gained power they left no stone unturned in searching for religious artifacts, lost treasures, and mysterious or legendary objects. Whether the Nazis and Hitler thought they would gain additional power from any of these has not really been proven. Quite possibly, especially during the early parts of the war when Germany was quite successful, this could have been just something they did for fun because they suddenly had the resources and geographical control to do so.

Germany was not the only country to delve into supernatural and scientific phenomena. There is a famous tape from the USSR during the cold war showing a woman moving objects around a table with her mind. I'm sure the good old USA did many studies in these areas also, but you will never find out because our government likes to keep the citizens in the dark when it comes to information of any kind.

No, the Nazi Regime was not a demonic regime. It was publicized as such to make Christians hate it because at the time anti-semitism was still rampant. As a matter of fact, most of the higher-ranking Nazis hated the sight of blood. It was left to those at the bottom of the ranks to do the killing.

Anyway, OP. I recently bought a book from Barnes and Noble entitled Nazis and the Occult by Paul Roland. I haven't had a chance to read it through entirely and check the info against alternate sources, but it looks like it would serve your purpose.

Interesting documentary I picked up on DVD:

http://www.amazon.com/Occult-History-Third...iews/B00020HC72

I'm more of the opinion that the whole occult symbology, the emphasis on Volkisch movements and religions, and other similar practices were just a way to rally the German people around a banner that they could all understand and relate to. Swastikas were already a common symbol going back to the early 1900s. Many people wore them as a good luck charm. The German literati were already familiar with Volkisch movements; they had been taking hold long before Hitler came to power. It's likely that Hitler and the Nazi party headmen that circled him merely saw an opening and took advantage of it. It was, if you will, the ultimate marketing program that hit the right audience at just the right time and under the right circumstances. Convergence?

Then again I'm sure there were people among the elite circle who truly believed in the occult goings-on. The Thule Gesselschaft (sp?) was of particular interest...those guys had some interesting ideas.

I remember reading a few articles about Hitlers UFO interests. Something to do with Vril Technology and experimental aircraft using electromagnetic propulsion techniques. Other reports had references to bases at the north or south pole (I can't remember which).
Some topics you could maybe google would be "Thule society" and "Vril Society". There are also mentions of similar Vril type technologies in a few ancient Hindu texts as well..they were called vanymara or something close to that.. I'll see what I can turn up.

One of the best books I've read on the subject was published in the 1970s
and I think is now out of print.

The Occult and the Third Reich

by Jean-Michel Angebert

http://www.remoteviewinghistory.com/

this is a program making a comeback. They're at once was great significance placed in programs like this by the US. As well as mind-control; although not via telepathy but by drug-induced conditioning. Where, say an enemy of the state upon capture could be retrained to wreak havoc when given a specific signal while back at their base camp.

I read a book once on this. I believe it was called Gods and Beasts The Nazis and The Occult

The original spear which is thought to have been used by St Longinus when piercing Christ is embedded within one of the altar's pillars closest to the statue of St Longinus at St Peter's Basilica is not true

It is hid deep inside Oak Island NS for 600 years then moved into its current tomb lake of woods US

I do not believe in the hype of the Nazi occult. I think its just fiction writers.
I know theres religious christians/jews that go around saying how Nazi Germany was pagan, but I haven't seen much evidence of it. I've seen that evidence seems to point to the fact that most germans were Christians not pagans.

Hitler even said himself that he was a Catholic at birth and would die one.

Although paganism resored in Europe is a good idea, Nazi Germany didn't seem to have an interest in it.

Cool doco JC.



Wouldn't surprise me at all if they were obsessed or possessed if you like lol! with the black arts...
It's been said/written many times that they were into satanism, esoteric pagan symbolism(twisted and turned around its true meanings), hypnotism, all the other ism's even mind control and the so called purity of bloodline creation of the master race etc etc.

Number of executions
Country Recorded Estimated
Germany 8,188 17,324 - 26,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch-hunt

The Nazis were not satanists; many did attend christian church services. Many high-ranking party members were into astrology and numerology (Hess and Himmler), but that doesn't make them satanists. The major connection that people have drawn between Nazis and satanism is the day that Hitler committed suicide. If I remember correctly, it is said to be a sacred day in satanism. But no conclusive evidence has been found to support that. He committed suicide because the fuherbunker was surrounded by the Russians. In a matter of days they would have had him in custody, and he wouldn't allow that.

But pagan symbols were a large part of the Nazi party. Especially the SS.

That still doesn't proove Hitler was a pagan. It could just mean Nazis wanted to ressurect Germany's ancient past-- which is pagan.

I never claimed Hitler was pagan. I just said he wasn't a satanist.

I don't know, the Thule society had a reputation for Satanist teachings.

Yes, that doesn't mean Hitler was. You can be part of a society without fully embracing its ideals.


We seem to be on the same line of thinking. I don't know why we are debating.

I didn't mean Hitler, Himmler is the one I'm talking about. He was the one more into the occult.





heres from Wiki:

Yes, i guess your right.
I can almost picture it, Hitler the Nazi hierarchy just sitting there enjoying Sunday mass while the SS & the Stormtroopers were out collecting donations for the local parishes.

Oh, okay. We're thinking along the same lines. Just a little misunderstanding.


I wonder how kindly those donations were "collected"?

The only place the Thule Gesellschaft had satanist leanings was in American propaganda.
Don't get me wrong -- it was an occult organization with alarmingly racist views and was responsible for the rise of the Nazis. But it didn't worship the christian devil.

--Jaylemurph

Weren't the Nazis working on UFOs or something?

The Valley of the Kings "Gates of the King"
500 years from the 16th to 11th century BC,
tombs for the kings and powerful nobles New Kingdom
the Eighteenth through Twentieth Dynasties of Ancient Egypt
http://www.flickr.com/photos/75878210@N00/121931906/

There is a guy called Armando Crowley (check the spiellnig of his first name i might have it wrong) who claims to be Aleister's son. He worte a book about his own life and that of his , supposed father's, which contains an interesting tale about the Nazis and the occult.

Whatever people may think, Churchill on returning to power in the 1950s did repeal the witch craft act in England and many say this was a by way of a thank you for assistenace he was rendered during WW2.

..."...and this shall be, their 'Finest Hour'..."... was one of Churchill's most famous quotes. No one knows what battles may have been fought, but he is denoted for it.

Never heard of Crowley, nor Aleister, but I have heard of the guy that said ... "Good Evening..." a whole lot...

It's Amado Crowley... and it's up in the air whether or not he's Crowley's actual son.
Anyone interested in this may want to look into Sky Books series: it links (in an indirect, deeply illogical and often uneducated way) such things as the Nazi Occult, UFOs, and the Mantauk project.

-- Jaylemurph

Here are a few documentary's on Nazi's and occults. Hemmler was really big in the occult.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=43...h&plindex=0

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3...h&plindex=1

This is a really in depth video. Lots of info and worth the watch.