I would like to believe that but it's not supported by how people vote. Even saying "I don't care if they get married" would destroy a conservative candidates chance of getting elected (or even getting the nomination for that matter).

I don't think so. Otherwise how did we get Clinton in office?


I'm not saying the majority don't care in their own lives. What I'm saying is that people deal with the choices that are thrust on them.

In other words the cake pie example (Hey I just realized that you and I both used pie and pi as an example each! How weird is that!!!)


In other words if you ask people Do you support gay marriage or not, people will probably say NOT. If you ask them if they don't care or don't know, most people DO care to some degree.

But if you ask people if they care what Bill Johnson and Bob Smith do in the privacy of their own lives most people don't care.

I mean seriously Ellen Degeneres is a very popular TV host and so was Rosie ODonnel, if it mattered that much to people I doubt they'd support these celebs.

Have you ever heard of NIMBY? Not in My Back Yard? I think this is more what most people care about.

What effects THEM. People are selfish.

I think everything needs to be taught better but there are a lot of problems facing public schools. Area of simple shapes and the basic scientific theory starts in grade 3 in California (it was the first curricullum I could find). That's earlier than I remember being taught it (I'm 32 so that was a little while back) so maybe it's getting better:

http://www.cde.ca.gov/be/st/ss/mthgrade3.asp
http://www.cde.ca.gov/be/st/ss/scgrade3.asp

Evolution isn't taught until grade 7 in earnest:

http://www.cde.ca.gov/be/st/ss/scgrade7.asp

I said a conservative candidate not a liberal democrat. No, for a liberal that's a strength in getting votes. I didn't say that applied to most voters, or even the majority of voters. It doesn't. But it does apply to most conservative voters. So much so a conservative candidate would have no hope of getting the nod if they were even indifferent to subject of gay marriage.

Also, speaking of Pi, why don't keyboards have the symbol for it? I was going to write out the equation for the area of circle in my other post but 3.14159*r^2 makes it look so complicated it would have ruined my point.

Being overly skeptical can be just as bad as not being skeptical enough. Both, can prevent you from finding the truth. Old philosophers like DeCartes and Sartre, were so skeptical they would look for a logical reason why they exist. I think, therefore I am, said one of them. To question something that is as obvious as they exist, is pushing skepticism to the point of being ridiculous.

Too much skepticism can prevent you from finding out the truth.

"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance!"
--Albert Einstein

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance--that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
--Herbert Spencer

I love this one. I love it !


This is exactly what I mean about knee jerk reactions. When someone questions something its not always because they disagree with it.

Errrr


You coulda just wrote Pi R Squared.

no, pie r round
brownies r square

Cute!!!!

sorry, but it just had to be said.
its almost a requirement.

True it seems you have concluded that schools can't meet your creationist needs and kids that are attending "public' systems are being imposed or forced to adapt to the establisment and its ideas.....thats what the gist of this seems to be as far as i am concerend ..The precipice here IMO is that its an either or proposition and this in and of itself is in an incomplete understanding, the level of evolution you are spotlighting was bad and is recognized as bad science,( see scopes trial) or jsut a idea implemented in a way that is of little to no use other than to have these sorts of topics.. True once your kid realizes that mulsims come from baghad and are no diffenrt than the chrsitians that come from new york, and that no ones life is worth more or less than any other well these sorts of going nowhere argurments make even less sense.....

You know there are whys worth pondering beneath all the hows's..the intent of any debate is to interject a point of view to give a fuller awareness add to the whole not arrive at an answer (or a war of righteousness its all made up anyways)_........Isn't the question how are these ideas nurishing our children, this one isn't, in particular it creates rifts and division. that is how you contribute to the future a much better use for this sort of argument is to look deeply at how this is affecting the whole and in probing deeply we as a group may arrive at a place where we have a valid purpose or let it go....... one must look very deeply at the fights we are modeling for our children and why ???? As a educator this would be my concern even as a parent.... Just my two cents...

My creationist needs? I didn't even bother reading after that Sheri. Good job on proving my point yet again. I don't believe in Creationism. And uh YOU KNOW THAT so what the helll are you talking about?



Ok I did read it in fairness, and uh more of your Sheriblather about parenting again.

Not all Muslims come from Baghdad Sheri. My kids are Muslim from NY so eh?

I wasn't inferring you did True, I was offering a synopsis of the debate in essence my POV really no biggie LOL ...Parenting for me is the most critical thing i am doing and my exploring my beleifs the belifs at large will have an impact on my paretning ( maybe i assumned that is why you bring in the archives of evolution just getting an understanding....eh???

I was extending a hand in freindship a probe along a differnt lines but as i can see you have passed fair enough.. carry on...

Sheri, by now you have to know that I'm not going to be doing hugs and friendships in the middle of a discussion?

That's so ICKY woman to me.


Shudders.

Our depth of freindship isn' at that place i agree.... but, there is a mutual mental respect that is the place i was approaching....True i jsut be who i am and I want you to be who you are if the two pass or meet we go from there, you do not have to be a certain way in order for me to engage in a dialoge... I'm l flexible..but no problem the moment pased ..another time perhaps....

And if you investigate it..and still remain skeptical...you must have your reasons...everyone does in the end