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user posted imageAlthough the ancient Inca are renowned for their highly organized society and extraordinary skill in working with gold, stone and pottery, few are familiar with the khipu -- an elaborate system of colored, knotted strings that many researchers believe to be primarily mnemonic in nature, like a rosary -- that was used by the ancient conquerors to record census, tribute, genealogies and calendrical information. Because the Inca didn't employ a recognizable system of writing, researchers like Galen Brokaw, assistant professor in the Department of Romance Languages and Literatures in the University at Buffalo's College of Arts and Sciences, have focused on the khipu as a way to further illuminate Inca history and culture. Brokaw doesn't adhere to the strict view held by some researchers that the khipu is solely mnemonic in nature, instead maintaining the possibility that these intricate specimens are historiographic in nature.

Deciphering the mysteries of the khipu, which consists of a primary cord from which hang pendants of cords, depends upon researchers discovering a Rosetta Stone of sorts that would allow them to decode the meaning of the cords and knots.


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crystal sage
http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~elf/abacus/inca-khipu.html


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In his book, Signs of the Inka Khipu, being published next month by the University of Texas Press, Dr. Urton said he had for the first time identified the constituent khipu elements. The knots appeared to be arranged in coded sequences analogous, he said, to "the process of writing binary number (1/0) coded programs for computers."

When someone types e-mail messages, they exist inside the computer in the form of eight-digit sequences of 1's and 0's. The binary coded message is sent to another computer, which translates it back into the more familiar script typed by the sender. The Inca information, Dr. Urton said, appeared to be coded in seven-bit sequences.

Each sequence could have been a name, an identity or an activity. With the possible variations afforded by string colors and weaves, Dr. Urton estimated, the khipu makers could have had at their command more than 1,500 separate units of information. By comparison, the Sumerians worked with fewer than 1,500 cuneiform signs, and Egyptian hieroglyphs numbered under 800.


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http://noreah.typepad.com/tarot_arkletters...rdion_knot.html
History tells us that the connection between letters and numbers happened almost a millennium before the biblical era. This innovation came through a fusion between the letters of the Phoenician alphabet and the whole numbers 1-22. The Phoenician alphabet was first invented and put into use by this sea-trading nation in the 1100's BCE, becoming established in the Babylon of Sargon II, circa 720 BCE. My friend Dr. Lewis Keizer, an inspiring scholar with a PhD. in ancient Biblical languages, assures me that the Babylonians could not have developed such an astro-alphabethical canon before the Phoenicians invented their alphabet, because the Babylonians used the Akkadian cuneiform script, which has many more characters than an alphabet and is not phonetic. (Cuneiform is entirely another species of writing, by no means matchable point-by-point to the Phoenician alphabet.) The Babylonians already possessed their canon of god-names bearing mathematical values and astrological co-ordinates, but they did not have the alphabet that would catalogue those things within an organized doctrine of correspondences.

These correspondences were welded together by the Mesopotamian cultures whose astronomical temples had measured out and named the matrix of our cosmos, including signs and planets, letters, numbers, harmonics, and all forms of religious and magical liturgies, or Theurgy. At their root and origin, the Letters are both numbers and sounds that provide the contact-points between the Macrocosm and the Microcosm.

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http://www.livescience.com/history/ap_050811_incaknots.html

There are between 650 and 700 khipu in museums, he explained, and about two-thirds of them have the knots organized in a decimal system indicating their use in some sort of accounting.

But the remaining khipu have knots in other patterns, perhaps a form of written language, if the researchers can work it out.

"We think those may be the narrative ones, "Urton said. "The identities attached to those knots may not be numerical. If we can use the numericals to account for objects, that may give us clues to how they were assigning identities to objects,'' he said, citing such items as llamas, gods, defeated cities and warriors that might have been counted.

If they are able to find such words, then they could look for those words in the narrative khipu.

What is missing is something like the Rosetta stone, which allowed Egyptian hieroglyphics to be deciphered when researchers realized it contained identical text in three languages, two of which could still be understood.



http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/alphabet.html
crystal sage
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/quechua.htm

Perhaps studying some of Barry Fell's work on ancient writings ..and the binary system ...and melding them with the khipu we could perhaps find some links in deciphering these ancient languages
http://cwva.org/wwvrunes/wwvrunes_3.html
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thumbup.gif thumbsup.gif You could see how that system of writing could work with knots.. and the whistling2.gif mysterious secret Weavers societies .. Cathars .. Huguenots!!!

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THE QUIPU KNOTTED STRINGS
http://www.cristobalcolondeibiza.com/2eng/2eng15.htm
In Fusang: Chinos en América antes de Colón, pages 52-55, Gustavo Vargas Martínez brings up an intriguing subject that would seem to point to yet another cultural link of enormous significance in the life of pre-Columbian South America. He says that ‘special mention should be made of the knotted strings, since not only are they an element of analogical confrontation, but basically, they also represent an acquired system that has to be learnt. In his book, Histoire de la Chine the eminent Jesuit Chinese scholar, P. Martin (*) had already remarked on the ancient Chinese system of knotting strings, many years before the appearance of writing. They used to place the knots at specific intervals, make use of different colours and, by carefully following agreed rules, they created a sign code substituting other ways of counting and writing'. What is most astounding, says Vargas, is that ‘an identical system was discovered among the Incas, so sophisticated that it was used as an official register for their annals, State accounts, astronomical observations, rates and taxes and even as a means of communication, since it was used to carry news and message over long distances'. Among the Incas these strings were called quipus, and the Chinese called them qi pui, ‘back memorising'; in China today the same system is known as chie sheng. It is perfectly obvious for anyone to see that the quipu is a forerunner of the abacus (**), in common use all over Asia up to the present day.

(*) Martin Marini was born in Trent, Austria, in 1614. He died on June 6 1661 in Hangtschen, China.

(**) The abacus is made up of a square with ten parallel wires, each with ten movable beads, and is used in Asian schools to teach children how to count.

However, it was Alexander von Humboldt (Atlas geographique et physique du Royaume de la Nouvelle-Espagne, Paris, 1811) who saw the connection between the South American quipus and the Asians, and the Chinese in particular. He uses this analogy as a base to suggest there had been Chinese migrations to the ‘east of California' during the sixth and seventh centuries, which is precisely when the old Chinese books tell of Hui Shen's journey to Mexico.









Dr. Virgilio Roel Pineda explains how another problem arose when they discovered that the writing was based on only ten signs or letters instead of the 26 or more letters used in western languages. Burns eliminated all vowel sounds from his model, as in the case of Hebrew and Arab writing, which are made up solely of consonants. Then Burns went about cutting down the number of consonant signs by excluding those with similar sounds. In this way he was left with 10 consonants, which took on meaning when he associated them to the colours of the quipu strings and he discovered that the geometrical signs accompanying Felipe Guamán Poma de Ayala's Nueva crónica de buen gobierno offered a coherent writing system. Burns' book offers us proof of the existence of this form of expression; he sets out his lines of research and includes the decoding of ten of these quipus.




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Mademoiselle
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