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xxTippyxToesxx
What does an exorcism involve?

And no.
I am not interested in performing one, I just want to undersatnd what is actually done in an exorcism.
frodonet
i believe there are lot of types of exorcisms.

not all are those of "emily rose types" but some are rather passive and some are rather agressive.

I think, performing exorcism is something that is really strict and needs some vatican or church's permission to conduct cause sometimes these issues between science and theology are sensitive.

i can't share what they do in exorcism ritual cause i have no idea laugh.gif
JustNormal
QUOTE(xxTippyxToesxx @ Sep 19 2007, 09:51 PM) *
What does an exorcism involve?

And no.
I am not interested in performing one, I just want to undersatnd what is actually done in an exorcism.


That depends on the person who is "possessed" and the one performs the exorcism. Do you have a specific question? JN
Lotus Flower
A true Exorcism involves a nominated Priest that has been given permission by the Church Authorities to perform the Exorcism.

Strict guidelines must be abided by before such permission for an Exorcism is granted. The subject is studied to make sure that it is, as far as can be assessed, a true case of possession, because to attempt an Exorcism on a person who is mentally ill or just not possessed at all is dangerous for the subject concerned.

The Priest will be selected after careful consideration and will usually have an assistant. The Exorcism itself will usually involve the Priest, the Assistant, a member of the subject's family and often a medical doctor.

The Exorcism Rites are long and the Exorcism itself will often be extremely wearing on all concerned. To witness such an event would not be advisable, especially if someone in the room were to have a potential mental illness, in fact, it would be downright dangerous.

Exorcisms are not something to be taken lightly and contrary to some "exorcist's" claims, true exorcisms do not happen every day and neither do they consist of a mere blessing - a blessing alone will not expel a dangerous and determined spirit.

The subject will not be the one to usually request an Exorcism, it often requires a friend or member of their family to ask for help as the subject is usually already "too far gone" at such a point and only an outsider will usually have the means to ask.

The studies done by the Church before permission for an Exorcism is granted is usually along the lines of the things happening around the subject - repulsion at any holy objects, crosses, holy water - whether these objects are in view or hidden, but in the vicinity of the subject - a truly possessed person will know. Absolute detestation of the word "Jesus" or "Christ" - in fact they will often be completely unable to utter those names. Speaking in unknown languages - not gibberish but real foreign languages to the subject. Body contortions, explicit language and often poltergeist activity will accompany such a person. They will often have a truly horrendous smell around their personage and they may also know things about others that it would be impossible for them to know in normal circumstances. They will also find it nigh-on impossible to enter any Church or blessed place.

I hope some of this helps original.gif
JackalnChainz
Catholicism appears to be the Hollywood ordained authority on exorcism, although the Vatican does not hold the patent. Christ actually said that anyone could do it, in His name. There are examples of holymen and priests attempting exorcisms in the Bible. with not very favorable results. The demon says, I know who Jesus is, and I know who Paul is....who are you? And then there appears to be a physical bludgeoning of the weak and feeble spirited priest. He's sent fleeing and tattered. There is also an immense amount of unnecessary ritual associated with exorcism. There is no doubt, that it can be very dangerous...for the ill equipped. I don't mean to sound demeaning to earnest efforts put forth by the clergy. But my only source for instruction on the matter comes from the words of Christ Himself. "You can do all these things in My Name..". And frankly, that is all the authority one needs. IF your faith is intact, and IF it is strong, you can do it. But just as one can be a tool for a demon or the devil, you must realize you are only being a tool for Christ, and let Him work through you. When you stand with your feet apart, and a bold accusing finger in the face of the afflicted, and command the demon to manifest itself before you...I assure you...it will. But at its' appearence, do not assume the battle is won. You may be in for a throttling. Or possession yourself. Or death. OR step towards it and command it to leave...it will flee from the power of Christ...that is IF it knows who YOU are. Just my humble opinion... ~Jackal
xxTippyxToesxx
Thanks. Helpful stuff.
Are there any other religions that have any other particular ways of exorcising stuffs?
I know there is christianity... But what exactly would other religions do about an exorcism? Like... I dunno... just any information on exorcisms, I would like to know. It's all really interesting.
LIGhostChick
An exorcism is performed by a holy man or an ordained demonologist. It's nothing like what you see in movies.
Lotus Flower
QUOTE(ThelmaLIPI @ Sep 20 2007, 06:07 PM) *
An exorcism is performed by a holy man or an ordained demonologist. It's nothing like what you see in movies.


Absolutely! So many people think of the film "The Exorcist" and just presume that it must be like that.

To anyone thinking of just performing an Exorcism on someone whom they think is possessed, think again. I cannot stress enough how dangerous it could be and anyone who glibly thinks they have the means to complete an Exorcism to the very end, I dearly pity.

You could command the spirit or whatever it is to leave the afflicted but it will not be without a struggle, the possessing spirit does not take it standing down and will fight tooth and nail to stay. By saying the name "Christ" to the possessor, does not mean it will immediately leave and all will be a bed of roses. It will, in all probability get extremely angry that someone has dared to utter such a name in its presence - and the name "Christ" will be the name that it detests. It becomes a battle of wills and one which has, in the past, resulted in horrendous results.

An exorcism can involve a long, hard slog and if the "exorcist" is not prepared, it could end up disastrous for anyone in the room.

Personally, I would never take on such an exercise - not unless I knew exactly what was expected of me and I was prepared spiritually - and as I am not prepared, it would be the most foolish and stupid thing I could ever undertake.

spikeman25
QUOTE(ThelmaLIPI @ Sep 20 2007, 05:07 PM) *
An exorcism is performed by a holy man or an ordained demonologist. It's nothing like what you see in movies.
True. There are no spinning heads and things like that. But there is the occasional levitation, They get superhuman strength, They cuss, Speak in other languages they normally wouldn't know and most of the time it takes about four of five guys to hold down the person if they aren't strapped to a chair.
LIGhostChick
QUOTE(spikeman25 @ Sep 20 2007, 06:49 PM) *
True. There are no spinning heads and things like that. But there is the occasional levitation, They get superhuman strength, They cuss, Speak in other languages they normally wouldn't know and most of the time it takes about four of five guys to hold down the person if they aren't strapped to a chair.


Yes some of those things happen but not the head spinning or spitting of the split pea soup lol.
JustNormal
QUOTE(ThelmaLIPI @ Sep 20 2007, 08:18 PM) *
Yes some of those things happen but not the head spinning or spitting of the split pea soup lol.


LOL Great, now you AND MP are discussing food? What I was told that exorcisms are very intense, and it can take hours or even days, and that some victims can harbor hundreds of Demons inside them, so they take one D after another in order to rid the entities from a person possessed. Also being possessed is not always Hollywood style either. Its reported that some just slowly change their habits, their demeanor, and may act bizarre, resulting in others around them wonder what has happened to them? They sometimes behave in a manner that is totally opposite from their beliefs and morals. Its not always obvious or outrageous, and may be subtle, depending on the Demonic itself. Many times they do have to restrain the victims so they cannot harm themselves or others. Never heard of the ole spinning head around (yet) LOL..JN
Lotus Flower
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Sep 20 2007, 09:56 PM) *
LOL Great, now you AND MP are discussing food? What I was told that exorcisms are very intense, and it can take hours or even days, and that some victims can harbor hundreds of Demons inside them, so they take one D after another in order to rid the entities from a person possessed. Also being possessed is not always Hollywood style either. Its reported that some just slowly change their habits, their demeanor, and may act bizarre, resulting in others around them wonder what has happened to them? They sometimes behave in a manner that is totally opposite from their beliefs and morals. Its not always obvious or outrageous, and may be subtle, depending on the Demonic itself. Many times they do have to restrain the victims so they cannot harm themselves or others. Never heard of the ole spinning head around (yet) LOL..JN



You know, when I saw The Exorcist, the movie, the 360 degrees turning of her head got me thinking for years, for me, that particular bit made the whole thing unrealistic and took away a part of the whole thing.

That was, until years later, it suddenly occurred to me what the whole thing symbolised. The spinning of the head never actually happened but was a (neat) trick by the demon inside the girl, whereby it caused any on-lookers to hallucinate and think that what they saw, really happened - a sort of "group hallucination" if you like.

After all, let's face it, anyone whose head rotated 360 degrees would have their neck broken and the story would have ended there. I was just sad that it took me nigh on five years to realize laugh.gif
frodonet
QUOTE(Lotus Flower @ Sep 21 2007, 05:15 AM) *
You know, when I saw The Exorcist, the movie, the 360 degrees turning of her head got me thinking for years, for me, that particular bit made the whole thing unrealistic and took away a part of the whole thing.

That was, until years later, it suddenly occurred to me what the whole thing symbolised. The spinning of the head never actually happened but was a (neat) trick by the demon inside the girl, whereby it caused any on-lookers to hallucinate and think that what they saw, really happened - a sort of "group hallucination" if you like.

After all, let's face it, anyone whose head rotated 360 degrees would have their neck broken and the story would have ended there. I was just sad that it took me nigh on five years to realize laugh.gif


really? i thought that she really rotated her head for 360 degrees...?

so actually it was just hallucination by the devil ?
Lotus Flower
QUOTE(frodonet @ Sep 20 2007, 10:43 PM) *
really? i thought that she really rotated her head for 360 degrees...?

so actually it was just hallucination by the devil ?


I have no idea what the idea behind that scene really was, however nobody could rotate their head 360 degrees without snapping their neck. Therefore, I am of the opinion that the demon inside her caused a sort of group hallucination, causing anyone witnessing this (in the movie) to think she really had turned her head the whole way around.
JustNormal
QUOTE(Lotus Flower @ Sep 20 2007, 09:15 PM) *
You know, when I saw The Exorcist, the movie, the 360 degrees turning of her head got me thinking for years, for me, that particular bit made the whole thing unrealistic and took away a part of the whole thing.

That was, until years later, it suddenly occurred to me what the whole thing symbolised. The spinning of the head never actually happened but was a (neat) trick by the demon inside the girl, whereby it caused any on-lookers to hallucinate and think that what they saw, really happened - a sort of "group hallucination" if you like.

After all, let's face it, anyone whose head rotated 360 degrees would have their neck broken and the story would have ended there. I was just sad that it took me nigh on five years to realize laugh.gif


LOL I agree, however if that truly happened to the boy that the story was based on, it would not surprise me. Demonics can do just about anything to humans, whether its spinning their head, making them speak in other Languages, and rages to the degree of killing someone. Those are extreme cases of course. But if Demonics themselves can make people levitate, and put them into the most unreal positions, that actually appears its impossible without breaking bones, then why cant they spin a head? That is exactly what they do, "tricks" but its not always tricks of the mind of others, its to intimidate and display their strength to others, such as clergy and they have unbelievable abilities as to what they can do while possessing someone, so it is possible. Small children have been seen becoming so strong, they can rip apart their shackles, ties and chairs they sit on. I assume anything is possible when it comes to them..JN
JackalnChainz
QUOTE(ThelmaLIPI @ Sep 20 2007, 03:18 PM) *
Yes some of those things happen but not the head spinning or spitting of the split pea soup lol.


I HATE IT when that happens! cool.gif
JackalnChainz
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Sep 20 2007, 05:46 PM) *
LOL I agree, however if that truly happened to the boy that the story was based on, it would not surprise me. Demonics can do just about anything to humans, whether its spinning their head, making them speak in other Languages, and rages to the degree of killing someone. Those are extreme cases of course. But if Demonics themselves can make people levitate, and put them into the most unreal positions, that actually appears its impossible without breaking bones, then why cant they spin a head? That is exactly what they do, "tricks" but its not always tricks of the mind of others, its to intimidate and display their strength to others, such as clergy and they have unbelievable abilities as to what they can do while possessing someone, so it is possible. Small children have been seen becoming so strong, they can rip apart their shackles, ties and chairs they sit on. I assume anything is possible when it comes to them..JN


I have to totally agree. ANYTHING is possible. They are not governed by our laws of physics. And though we are, it is no miraculous matter for angels, fallen or not, to influence our mortality or physical being. I think it warrants mentioning as well, that different demons control different aspects of the possession. I believe it is the "unclean spirit" that change the aflicteds' appearence. Others may take control of nearby inanimate objects. Others may cause the speaking of languages unknown to the host. These are entities that have witnessed the climb of man with his every triumph and turmoil. They are intelligences far beyond our comprehension.

As for the case study of the actual possession which inspired William Peter Blattys' best selling novel, I spent almost 10 years of my spare time researching that event. I was highly affected by the movie, and it is probably what has caused my fascination with these things to this day. I will keep the results to myself, as I don't wish to open any further cans of worms this week. But I will tell you, the kid was a real a*&^*@e. I WILL direct you to what I believe to be the most accurate findings of the case, though it is long and detailed (as it should be)...
http://www.strangemag.com/exorcistpage1.html Enjoy ~Jackal

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Please Explain
Some people are given authority to exorcise...by just whispering a Latin words.
In the future, exorcism will be in digital form.
Try for experiment, record an exorcism rite by a priest (not just a priest) the one that is gifted.
Play the record over and over to a possessed person who is safely tied in a bed.
Might work ! lol To be sure, make it 3 audio players playing in consecutives.
It's gonna be a pain in the ear. lol
JackalnChainz
QUOTE(Please Explain @ Sep 22 2007, 06:48 AM) *
Some people are given authority to exorcise...by just whispering a Latin words.
In the future, exorcism will be in digital form.
Try for experiment, record an exorcism rite by a priest (not just a priest) the one that is gifted.
Play the record over and over to a possessed person who is safely tied in a bed.
Might work ! lol To be sure, make it 3 audio players playing in consecutives.
It's gonna be a pain in the ear. lol

That is an interesting concept, however it has one very real flaw. When exorcising a demon, it must be forced to manifest itself and tell you its' name. Therefore, a simple recording would not do, as its' name is used to cast it out.
Please Explain
QUOTE(JackalnChainz @ Sep 22 2007, 09:53 PM) *
That is an interesting concept, however it has one very real flaw. When exorcising a demon, it must be forced to manifest itself and tell you its' name. Therefore, a simple recording would not do, as its' name is used to cast it out.
I guessed that's included in the recording.

Blast the demons with surround sound in full stereo, it might get confused cuz it can't see the one exorcising it.




Alienated Being
Demonic "possessions" can easily be explained by neurological and psychological issues.
randomhit10
the main thing about an exorcism is to make sure that is what is needed...many manifestations look like a need for exorcism but is not and vice versa...if you perform an exorcism on a person who is not under demonic influence then there will be no change and it will appear the exorcisms don't work...it may also do further damage to someone's mind by doing so, such as "now God won't even help me" and God gets another bad rap...anyone who dwells here needs to be very careful....there is much evil influence in this world that you need to be able to defend yourself and others from but you also need to know when to do it...

randomhit10
Please Explain
QUOTE(Alienated Being @ Sep 22 2007, 10:27 PM) *
Demonic "possessions" can easily be explained by neurological and psychological issues.

Yes if you're maybe 50 years old not 15.
My wife works with neuro-surgeon, are you?
randomhit10
QUOTE(Alienated Being @ Sep 22 2007, 12:27 PM) *
Demonic "possessions" can easily be explained by neurological and psychological issues.


not hardly...

randomhit10
JackalnChainz
QUOTE(randomhit10 @ Sep 24 2007, 06:38 AM) *
not hardly...

randomhit10

took the words right outta my mouth thumbsup.gif ~Jackal
Jennie 1
From what I've read on previous threads here, Just Normal has actually had an exorcism performed in her home (in May wasn't it?)and should be able to tell everyone, exactly, what is involved in performing an exorcism. I'm sure that she is just too humble to elaborate on this thread. It would be so beneficial for those that don't know. JN, don't be shy, how is an exorcism performed?
L337foetus
QUOTE(Please Explain @ Sep 22 2007, 02:58 PM) *
My wife works with neuro-surgeon

First thought: LOL!

Well? Had you said your wife was a neuro surgeon that would have had a great deal more impact, or better yet she could have been a clinical psychologist and world renowned expert on aggression and delusion based thought disorders.

QUOTE(Please Explain @ Sep 22 2007, 02:58 PM) *
are you?

Is he what?
Veliska
A couple of days ago I listened to an exorcism being done on about.com. I was over at my cousins house. It was a 16 year old girl from Russia. She was making noises and it seemed her voice was changing. It was pretty creepy.
primordial
Possession is the same as an Baptism. Or an form of a possession
Barek Halfhand
"demon casters" are hand picked mad.gif ....b







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