Hdgamenews

According to this Sony plans to sell it's manufacturing lines for the cell processor and reduced spending on the chip that will succeed the cell chip now used in PS3. This all of course after seeing a 26% drop in share prices since their high in May.



Could this be the end of Sony in the console wars after the failure of the PS3 which financially damaged the company due to lack of sales?

No Sony isn't going to drop out of the console war. All this move signifies is that Sony is trying to cover a little bit of their loses. The ironic thing is that when Sony announced the price point way back when they said things like "We should want to get a second job to be able to afford a PS3" and now Sony can't even really afford to make the things themselves.

lol im not getting a second job for anything... i hope its not the end for sony i still want GT5 but with the price and the slow launch of the console this was seen miles away.


BTW cadetak you guys got lucky last sunday! WHODEY!!!

Sony won't drop out this generation they just may not come back for another.


There is no such thing as luck....just skill.

lol yeah... you guys played a hell of a game i never thought we were going to lose.. oh well we play again on our turf i think?

that would be weird not having sony in the race anymore i dont see that happening but you never know, i also thought PS3 was going to be a huge.

That's not true selling of the factory that manufactures the chip they use in their console to Toshiba now means that another company now controls that chip. All the reports show that Sony is allocating their resources to other sectors of the company that will actually be profitable. If they are going to stick with this machine I doubt it will be for very long especially if the don't start seeing big returns. Giving Toshiba complete control of the cell chip now means that Toshiba can sell it for whatever price they want or even stop manufacturing the chip if they please.

Analysts reports that I have read over the last year show Sony shifting resources away from the console market and reallocating them. This means Sony is shifting out of this market and improving or getting into others.

My prediction is that if Sony doesn't start turning a profit by the fourth quarter look for an announcement in January from the company announcing that they are canceling the PS3 and by the end of next year that the PSP will likely go out too.

A lot of their key titles including Final Fantasy and MGS4 will likely be made non-exclusive and available for 360 as well. When the third parties start to shift away what used to be exclusive titles it is likely that people will buy these games for the other cheaper system and ditch the more expensive one.

I love the PS3 it's a good machine and superior to 360, this however is not everything. A few titles also does not make or break a machine, a few titles may sell a few more consoles to die hard fans but then they have to consistently come out with really good titles to keep making money. With the cost of development on the PS3 and the fact that not all games will be successful it is a reasonable assumption that many developers won't put the millions required to develop really good titles into the PS3 givin how small it's audience is.

Sony lost 26% in share value since May it is likely they are simply not willing to take any more losses and this includes the failing PS3.

While there might be a possibility that they will decide not to enter the next-generation I would seriously doubt that they would cancel the PS3 and PSP before they have run their course. The make-or-break titles for their home-console are coming out over the next 12-18 months and any decision to cancel production of said console would be premature. They have invested far too much money and resources to not at least give their console a realistic chance of turning a profit and making up the distance between the other consoles.

I've played both consoles, and the Xbox360 wins hands down. Even though Sony are losing massively on the PS3 they are such a big corporation they need not worry, i predict they will be around for quite some time yet, they just need to rethink their manufacturing cost and price structure.

The PSP will be around longer then the PS3 simply because they are turning profits from it although not very much. Analysts who have been watching Sony say that due to massive profit losses they are restructuring the company which is usually an indicator of shifting resources out of one sector and into another.

To me it seems like they are pulling the invested resources out of the PS3 to recoup some of their losses and make up for these losses in other sectors of the company.

Publishers have also began to abandon the PS3 as many games like for example Armored Core 4 are becoming non-exclusive. Huge games no longer exclusive to PS3 include: Assassin's Creed, GTA4, among other titles.. Konami has also said that due to the cost of development for MGS4 it will also likely go cross platform as well to recoup dev costs on the game. As for another huge title quite possibly the biggest title under Sony's hat is Square softs Final Fantasy 13 title it has been developed as well on a multi platform engine and Square has not said the 360 at some point would not get this game.

All in all the PS3 division at SCU is not looking all the great, with publishers ditching and sales slumping they better do something soon like by Christmas time to sell more machines. I highly doubt that 1 or 2 exclusive titles for PS3 will save the console. Sony first of all needs to lower it's price to at least where the 360 is at now which is still a little pricey if they expect parents to buy them for kids or in a lot of cases themselves.

i read all this and see that sony is losing out in the console wars because of there enormous stupidity and all i can say is....... oh sweet sweet revenge! i could go over every thing they did wrong that pissed off people like me (most of all the price ) to the point of wanting to cry but I'm sure every one is aware of them at this point hence the lack of sales mmmmmmm..... revenge! its sooo yummy! oh sooo yummy

I just brought one still wouldn't buy an xbox if you paid me, how many are breaking down, HOW MANY!

Allot I had one GOD DAMN YOU RINGS OF DEATH!!!!

any ways I don't believe any of this for a sec. Sony knew what they where doing with the PS3 and they where not trying to make a profit. Even with there old very high price They where not getting a profit out of there machine. Consider the fact that the blu-ray feature alone is a 1000 dollar feature it was put there to do only one thing PUSH THE BLU RAY!!!

If you don't believe me do a search on blu-ray costs you cant find one at 600 bucks PS3 style

They have had a plan from the start that they would take there newest PS add the blu-ray and use it to make a point of its superiority to HD-DVD or DVDs. Don't kid you're self by thinking a large company like Sony that are very much about making money would put out a system like PS3 and not have a plan for it.

I know lots of people with 360 and none of them have had any problems with their machines I have also not had any problems with mine either. Although lots of people have had problems with theirs it is still only a small fraction of 360 owners that experience these problems.



But people don't want the PS3 because it has Blue Ray they want it because of the games which so far have been disappointing to say the least. This being said Sony shares dropped 26% since may and this is not good. Not to mention that the head of SCU was demoted and replaced due to his bad decision making one of these ad decisions was the ultra high price of the PS3 which is still way to expensive.


Their plan was to sell a lot of the systems and recoup the profits via third party licensing. This is what Microsoft did as well 360. The problem Sony faces with the PS3 is the low sale numbers along with major third parties pulling exclusive PS3 titles and making them cross platform to recoup their losses. A few really good titles aren't enough to make everyone rush to get a PS3.

Fact is Sony planned on making up the lost profits via third parties, however since they are losing faith in Sony's ability to sell the machine they are reconsidering making the titles under development non-exclusive. As I said if Sony loses any more exclusives to 360 the machine will be finished in under a year.

Sony will just them make up the lost profits in other more lucrative ventures.



Why would I buy a PS3 if i just want the player I'm sorry but the PS3 is simply to bulky to look good with my home theater system.

Winbuyer At this site here i can buy a refurb blu-ray player for $378
On Amazon I can buy a slightly used player for $299

So you can get players for cheap if thats all you want.

this reminds me of some thing i seen.... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9...h&plindex=0

LMAO!!

If they made the console to push BluRay then they did a lousy job as the majority of PS3 owners aren't even aware of the BluRay capability.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3161833

Exactly!
The reason for this being is that those who bought it did so for the superior gaming experience that Sony promised and never delivered on, not to watch movies on.

Honestly i Highly Doubt SONY will drop the PS3

i own a PS3 and i love it wAYYY more than my 360

but Sony is Still selling PS3 maybe not as fast at the Weak.. i mean the Wii but the system is still selling

also GTA4 was non exclusive before PS3 was even released to saying its non Exclusive because of PS3 lack of sales is flat out lies

also SONY wouldnt be developing New Stuff for the future of the PS3 is they are planning on stopping the manufactioring of the system, also Toshiba doesnt own the cell processors they build them because they helped develope them

also in the next coming months there will be a $399 40GB PS3

also the games are starting to come out,

Lair,Warhawk,Heavnly Sword,R:FOM,Virtua Tennis 3,F1,GTHD, The Darkness,Oblivion (which is better on PS3 than 360) Uncharted,Rachet and Clank, Haze,Unreal Tourny 3, Half Life Orange Box, MGS4,MGO, COD4 etc etc etc the games are coming, because people complained about 360 not having any good games its first year , so give it time this christmas and next spring will be AMAZING!

Well you will soon find out that Sony does not care about what it's fans think because the all mighty $$$ is more important to them.



I like it too but it i still way to expensive for most people.



They are barely selling the PS3 and the Wii is outselling both 360 and PS3 because it offers a unique way to play that appeals to a much broader audience then the other 2.



At E3 05 The only talk of GTA4 was for the PS3 and Microsoft wasn't even in the loop. The release of GTA4 on 360 was not announced until last year after a deal was worked out.



Actually Sony sold all their chip fab lines to Toshiba and in regards to the cell Toshiba owns most of the rights to it as well. Sony only has a small stake in the joint venture after the fab line buy out by Toshiba. Toshiba and IBM are going to soon make the chip available to the consumer market as well... It will kick the quad cores ass.



Actually that is just a rumor there has been no official word from Sony on a $100 price drop. Although it is possible but I doubt that people who went out and got the 20 gig PS3 will buy another PS3. Not to mention the target audience of the PS3 is the 25 to 35 age range as well and even at 400 it may be to expensive to just go out and buy close to the holidays especially since a lot of people are already in debt or have kids to etc.



So where did you copy and paste this from... Seeing as how some of these games are already out....

Since I own PS3, 360 and Wii I would know

1: Lair is a sh**ty game with absolutely crap controls and crap cameras etc. while the game looks amazing it is a really bad experience to play if you don't believe me either you can check the reviews for the game. All my friends also agree that the game is an absolute waste of money.

2: Oblivion came out a while ago now and it is the same on PS3 as it is on my PC and 360 as well it is no better visually etc. it is just your standard port.

3: The Darkness is on both PS3 and 360 and both games are identical not to bad of a game i liked it.

4: Half Life Orange Box will also be on 360

5: UT3 will also be on PC and 360 can't wait! Pc version will be the best.

6: COD4 is clearly made on the COD3 engine it will basically be the same game but more modern also on pc and 360

Like seriously a lot of games coming out for PS3 are just ports, also I don't believe you own a PS3 if you didn't know Lair, Oblivion and The Darkness didn't come out yet. With talk of MGS4 to also be released on 360 why would 360 owners switch over to PS3?

They really are losing a whole lot of third party support and the games on it are no better then what we are seeing 360. Bioshock is better then any game that came out on PS3 so far this year.
The best thing going for the PS3 in final fantasy.

first i was just listing good games current and coming so don't be a jerk off

1. Lair Was awesome, yes the controls got a little time to get used to but the game was freakin FUN **** Reviews they gave Tribes Ariel Assault bad reviews and that was so much fun

2. UT will only be on PC and PS3 no 360

3.COD4 looks nothing like COD3 get your FACTS straight

4. When i meant that SONY was still making things for PS3 i mean the TV Tuner,HOME,DVR, etc etc
that means they arent planning on dropping th ePS3 anytime soon since they are piling money into these features

5.MGS4 WON'T BE ON 360!!!!! IT WON'T!~!!!

6. SORRY but Oblivion is wayyy better on PS3 than 360 i know my best friend plays it on his 360 while i play it on my PS3 and gotta say Better Draw Distance no choppyness better Graphic Quality meaning the Items have a better shine and Smoothness to them

7.yes 2007 wasent the Best year for SONY but the Future Shows signs of an awesome path so im gona be sitting here with my 360 and Ps3 laughing at you and the other 360 and PS3 fanboys as i play the best 2 systems of the next gen and i do like my PS3 better

"Sigh" Once you state that your consoles are the best you forfeit the right to call others fanboys. Simply state that they are the consoles you prefer to play, each console has its own pros and cons and appeals to different people. Just because you prefer one or two over the others does not make it the best console. Also I would like to point out that the PS3, 360 and Wii have been released so they are no longer the next gen, they are now the current gen consoles.

It will be intestering to see if Bluray or HD takes off, im sure which ever one does will aide the sales of the relevant console. At the moment it seems that HD is more popular in the UK, that may have something to do with the PS3 being overpriced. Time will tell

HD has taken off and Bluray and HD DVD will both be dead within 10 years due to the rise of digital content and things like On Demand viewing. HDTV has laready obsoleted television and it is expected that more homes will have LCD and Plasma sets in the next 10 years then classic tube sets etc. This is due to the costs of these TV's getting lower all the time....


No need for name calling kid and you did say "so give it time this christmas and next spring will be AMAZING!" which mean upcoming not 'current'.


If it's so much fun how come the sales of this game tanked out.... Could that be because most who play it got to pissed off button mashing and crap camera angles like me...


It has already been announced for 360.... I have proof
IGN
I suggest you double check what you say before you make yourself look like an idiot.


The game is made on the COD3 engine and graphically the game looks pretty much the same as 3. Of course it's not the same game but in regards to graphics and what have you there isn't much improvement.



I guess your not aware that Sony won't be willing to take to much more of a loss on the console then not. The things you mention are really only superficial accessories and really didn't cost much to develop at all. Sony has actually began to reallocate resources from their gaming division and into more lucrative sectors such as video cameras and sound systems as well as other home electronics not related to gaming.



Konami may get scared and they should be after they poured endless millions into this game, they want to make a profit and if PS3 can't get it done due to the lack of sales then they will release the game on 360. Kojima may not want this to happen but his corporate bosses likely don't give a damn what he thinks because at the end of the day it's all about $$$ not you or which system you think is the best. While it has not been confirmed the game will hit 360 Konami doesn't say it's not going to end up on 360 at some time or another.

I would go as far to say that Konami would be making a horrible business decision not to release this on both consoles but especially the 360 since so many people own the machine.



I think your seeing what you want to see seeing as how I never got choppiness on my 360 and seeing as how i rented the game for my PS3 and played it as well I know for a fact that both games play the same and pretty much look the same in regards to the graphics quality it is the same as the PC version and while polished slightly more then 360 that doesn't make it any better.

How can the exact same game slightly polished be wayyy better as you so put it? Just doesn't make sense.




You are a PS3 fanboy! Seeing as how I enjoy all my consoles equally how does that make me a 'fanboy'. You can't call anyone a fanboy since you sit here and spew 'PS3 is way better then everything else' non-stop.



Exactly and we won't see a next gen for at least 10 years. Well we may see another Nintendo console and possibly a new X-Box before then. I highly doubt there will be a PS4 though and if there is it won't show up for at least 10 years or more.

1. HD has taken off and Blu-ray is selling very well its not selling as much as DVD is currently but you forget that HD TVs are dropping in price and people will want HD Formats for movies

2.don't call me kid, and first you are being a jerk about this because you hate the ps3 blindly doesnt mean that SONY sux and will drop the system, look at the gamecub i loved it and it did horrible but still sold systems and made games

3. sorry but i got my info from 1up so i give this one to you 1up isnt very reliable

4.also HOME, the DVR stuff is costing a large amount of cash to produce HOME yea HOME is costing SONY mega bucks to develope

5.sorry but the fact is Konami is not Realeasing MGS4 for 360, its fact Kojima even said it wasent possible for 360 and he preferd the Developing for PS3 because of Blu-Ray and the standard HDD of the PS3

6.HAVE you seen COD4? im sorry i had COD3 for 360 and it looked nothing like COD4,COD4 has prob one of the best gameplay i have ever seen
please watch the E3 Video it blows my mind

7.oblivion does look better on PS3 the Draw Distance is pretty dam noticble and this was TV to TV comparison because my friend JOsh thought the same as you until we compared, also im sorry the 360 version was very choppy after going through the loading sectors

8.im not a PS3 fanboy because i enjoy the 360, just that my PS3 gets more play time because honeslty i dont know why, X-box live has better oppurtunity to meet people online , im just surprised that you think SONY is throwing in the towel when the orignal Xbox was doing about the same

so in ending you wana call me a fanboy because i think your opinion is Bunk fine go be ignorant

this discussion is over i win you lose

LOL

If I had to chose witch one of you is the more fan boy like I would have to say the one starting this thread considering the fact starting a thread screaming DOOM!!! for a next gen console is just well... stupid.

I just seen the article and posted it here... I never expressed any support toward either of the consoles on the market.... I actually do think that the PS3 btw is the better system in regards to reliability and tech specs.

This being said Sony is financially shaky right now and losing money is not in their best interest, I am only agreeing with market analysts who made a logical conclusion. Fact is people thought Dreamcast would be around for a while too but due to bad decision making at Sega the console tanked.

There are several examples of consoles that tank due to over pricing and bad decision making Sony is not an exemption which is why they are moving away from this market and back into others.




I agree people do want HD formats but in this regard in about 10 years time 'discs' will simply be done away with and replaced by downloadable content via cable and satellite providers directly to a PVR via a video on demand system which many people do already have access to. Blu-ray and HD-DVD are both doing alright although I believe that both will only be around for a decade or so.



The GC also never cost like hundreds of millions to develop also Nintendo never took a loss ever on it's consoles so even if it didn't sell that well they never really took a loss like Sony or MS did.


How can it cost yo mega bucks to develop technology that already exists. Nothing Sony developed ever cost as much as the PS3 did and nothing has ever taken a loss like it either... I mean a 26% in share value is HUGE.



Well Kojima isn't the boss at Konami he is just a game designer, Konami will do what it wants despite what Kojima wants... Basically if he doesn't like it he can go find a new job. Kojima stated that MGS4 possibly could run on 360 and in regards to the 360 question Konami does not give a straight answer. Both machines can run this game because they are graphics horses games can be ported for example the previous MGS games on PS2 were released on X-Box after and they were designed on PS2. A game does not have to be cross platform to run on other consoles.

So no Kojima never said it wasn't impossible he just said it's being developed for PS3. He also never said it would not be released on 360 at some point in time either. Konami also has not confirmed or denied that the game would at some point his 360.



It doesn't look much better then COD3 because it's made on the same engine, they may have change the gameplay style a bit but it's hardly 'mind blowing'.



I never got any choppiness maybe you system just sucks... There are a few graphic tweaks but both versions are almost identical on my LCD TV.



Actually the X-Box did better then the PS3 did and the 360 did better, Sony simply is no longer willing to lose more money and it does piss me off because that means i wasted almost a thousand dollars. Let's not forget that Sony has never had to face competition with deeper pockets then they have either. Sony just made bad decisions internally and made promises they couldn't keep.

Even if and it's a big if Sony drops the console price by 100 most people who have to pay bills etc can't afford it still.

and that right there is why the Wii is and will own both systems in the end. most people don't have 400$-600$ to waist on a game system and thats not counting the insane prices of the games to play them on! they have other concerns like paying there bills or feeding there familys! thats why its soo good to hear that there losing out because Sony basically just flipped the bird at lower income people like me and like most of this country. the Wii is both affordable and fun so to hell with PS3 and to hell with 360. with fewer and fewer exclusive content and higher priced games i think the gaming industry will soon hit a dead end. when you add it all up its not worth the money there asking for for ether of them. but because PS3 is the most expensive of the two its only natural that it will take the full force of this downfall in console gaming.

I still prefer my PS2. Heck I still play with my Nintendo 64. I prefer those 2 then the current gen systems.



I'm old school, that's pretty much why.

I still play old games but these systems aren't better...

Microsoft has a bunch of exclusives and good ones too like Bio Shock for example which is the best game of the year so far. But yeah your right Sony did mess up even when they announced the price of the system at E3 they were received by boos.

Funny how you say this when Nintendo is the only company selling their console at a profit.

The Wii is certainly not helping the game industry. Just look at the huge flood of sh**ty titles that has come out for it.

I know they're not better, but I still like them more than the current ones.



BTW, I personally don't like the Wii's controller. The motion sensor thing sounds really cool, but I wouldn't enjoy it.

I disagree, the Wii has allowed entirely new forms of gameplay to be developed and enjoyed by gamers. Motion-sensing technology allows for a far greater immersion within the game, which in turn leads to greater enjoyment by the consumer. In terms of the flood of below-average games for the Wii, while there has been a few, I would certainly not call it a flood and if you look at all the game released on the PS2, the amount of below-average games is trully staggering. Every popular console invariably attracts all levels of developers who simply wish to make a quick-buck.

The Wiis motion-sensing is not good enough to make any truly immersive games. You can't make complicated movements or subtle movements and have it follow you. It does little more the swing your arm left and right or up and down. There's also the fact that your are forced to use the cheap motion-sensor. I think Sony did it right, 6 axis can do subtle movements and you also aren't forced to use it.

Also I think highly detailed environments and environmental sounds would be far more immersive then any control scheme could be and the Wii simply doesn't have the power to do this.

it still boggles my mind why Sony traded in there rumble feature for that. guess it was a sad attempt to out do the Wii. but they broke one of the most fundamental rules of gaming. its something every gamer learned and probably with out even realizing it and that is "you keep the controller still!" at some point or another every gamer learns this because flailing around your controller will not help you at all. in fact it makes you screw up even more. the Wii's controller is designed for motion sensing game play while the PS3's controller is the traditional design <---- not meant to be flailed around. so all in all like the blue ray its just another useless feature that jacks up its price

A new controller with rumble will be coming out sometime next year.

I can see where you are coming from Ashigaru, many developers have so far just tacked on Wii-mote controls which involve nothing more than a lot of shaking and wiggling the Wii-mote however a number of FPS's and sport games have utilised the motion-sensing technology extremly well. You should give MP3:C or RE4 a go, they really showcase how well the wii-mote can work and immerse you within a game.

and how dose this change the fact that the PS3's controller is not designed for motion sensing game play making it a useless feature that only jacked up the price? the only people who flail around a controller like that are noobs they should have realized that because not to many new gamers are going to spend $500-$600 for some thing they may or may not enjoy. I mean lets be serious here the only people who are going buy it at that price are people who truly love gaming. with there severe loss in exclusive content and its horribly limited library of games its no wonder why there sales are in the toilet!

See my previous posts. Yay reading comprehension.

That was just a stupid comment. That is who they are targeting.

The 360 didn't have any "blockbuster" titles in its first year either. The Wii doesn't have many, or any imo, good games either. The only thing the Wii is selling is hardware anyways.

and you seem to have missed the point in that post. which was they should have gotten it right the first time round



then why are they making all these bone head moves? its as if they slapped a hole bunch of cool hardware together and expected it to work with out putting in enough thought as to how it would work



with its high price they better have allot of unique games to play or els people are just going to opt for the cheaper system. as the OP said the PS3 is losing exclusive content fast. if this keeps up then the PS3 is going to continue to go down hill until eventually it will die out completely.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! I WILL NEVER LET THIS HAPPEN, I WILL ALWAYS BE ONLINE EVEN IF IM THE LAST MAN STANDING PLAYSTATION 3 IS MY NEW GOD, I BOW TO IT EVERY MORNING, ITS MY MECCA

Most of the Xboxs "exclusives" end up on the PC. So why buy a 360 when the games will inevitably come out for PC and will be better on it? As far as I know Final Fantasy 7 and 8 has been the only games to come out on the PC of the Playstations exclusives.

Actually if you so some research you would find that not only is the Wii outselling the PS3 and 360 in hardware sales but in software sales it is also easily accounting for the PS3 by a significant margin. Again in relation to the games on the Wii there are numerous high-quality titles available to the consumer with many more in development and scheduled for release. Merely because you do not look Nintendo products or the games that appear on their consoles does not make them bad.

this is true. both systems are not creating enough exclusive content. thats why i said to hell with both of them. there not worth the money there asking for but like i said because the PS3 is the more expensive of the two there the ones who are going to feel the full force of this down fall in console gaming.

http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=&...&sort=Total

Obviously not a complete list but those numbers don't look impressive when compared to the amount of hardware sold. Hell they don't look impressive in general.

^Well considering the console has been out less than a year thats really not that bad at all. The list itself isn`t particularly up to date either. RE4 may have surpassed sales of a million and MP3 wouldn`t be far from that in the US alone and it hasn`t even come out anywhere else yet. So that pushes it to around 9 or 10 games that have sales of over a million. Compared to the PS3 which only has 2 according to vgchartz, thats extermly impressive. They have both been out for essentially the same amount of time and yet the Wii itself has sales of over 11 million compared to the PS3 4.5 -5 million and the Wii has probably around 9-10 games that have sold over million copies to the PS3's 2. I personally could care less though as I believe all the consoles have their own pro's and con's with their exclusive content and features all making each console worth a purchase.

Sony like MS did not want to make profit off the console sales, they wanted the profit from all the licensing and royalties from game sales because in reality that is where the real money is.
Nintendo plays it smart though and while their machine may not be a graphic powerhouse like the other 2 the machine appeals to a completely new market of adult consumers.



There are good ones coming out this year like Mario etc and a few others that will appeal to me. But I otherwise agree the games this year and last year so far have been less then appealing. However many older folk say 40's and 50's and even older enjoy these types of games. Nintendo unlike Sony and MS who made their machines to appeal to a more diverse client base with a wider range in age.

This console was never made to compete with the other 2 it was made for a different market all together in fact I wouldn't even say they are even involved in this console war.



I agree and unlike the N64 for example which at the time was expensive to develop for they made it cheap for companies large and small to make games. The controller as well which Sony failed miserably at replicating added a new dimension to the gameplay. Their marketing strategy was also genius I mean my 80 year old grand mother plays Wii they really disassociated themselves with this console war which has been about 1uping your opponent so far and took a left turn.

There are a few games i like for example Zelda was good and COD3 while not the best port actually didn't do to bad of a job incorporating the controller for FPS play.


Actually thats not true at all the controller while cheap actually has a lot of potential for games especially in regards to FPS gaming or even sword fighting if done right. Super Mario Galaxy is another game that from what I've seen and heard actually utilized the controllers motion sensing very well. While the 6 axis is nice it still pales in comparison to the wiimote. It's not all just arm movement as you say it is sensitive too not to mention you can adjust it's sensitivity as well if the default is not enough or to much.

I like to think of the wiimote as a next gen computer mouse.


While I play PC most of the time myself I know a LOT of people who actually prefer using a controller as opposed to a mouse and keyboard etc. Also For what it's worth you get top notch graphics and for those who don't have good PC's it is actually cheaper then buying a new computer or doing a massive upgrade. The 360 is basically a good computer for cheap.



I love all three consoles but Sony really kinda pissed me off this time around in fact Sony has been doing things wrong a lot lately and not just with their gaming division either for example putting spyware on music CD's and DVD's etc.
Also when you buy a game you don't actually own the game just the disc, Sony still retains all rights to the content on the disk which means you pay like 70-80$ for a blu-ray disc and Sony still owns the contents of the disc.

==

I like all the systems and own them all too however it would be nice to see SEGA return and whoop MS and Sony's candy asses though.

Here's my opinion about Sony and its PS3:

Just look at Sega. I thought it was a huge company and never thought it'd be reduced to making games instead. The Dreamcast was the supposed to be the next best thing, but now it's simply a footnote in video gaming history.

The same thing could happen with the PS3 if Sony doesn't pull something outta their a**** soon! It's just hard to believe that Sony would just pull out of the console market because they're so well known and been in the gaming business for more than 10 years. The PS2 game library is regarded as one of the biggest and best to date.

Then again, look at Sega and how long they've stayed in the console business before the Dreamcast. So, with this in mind, it's not extremely difficult to see Sony going down the same road.

they didn't trade it in, Immersion had a patent on the rumble tech that SONY used and they needed the controller to be next gen so instead of just releasing a crummy Controller (boomerang anyone?) they added Motion, im glad Rumble is coming back but if you gave me a choice between rumble or six axis i would take six axis

Wii is a party system, if you have a party its a blast but if your getting home from work and wana sit down relax you don't wana flail your arms around to play a game and Wii only has 1 good game and thats zelda and even that sux with the motion controlle

Nintendo may be winning the System race but they sold out the true gamers to win over the 8 year olds

also SONY's only prob was the price and that won't be a problem much longer

also i LOVE Blu-Ray makes my Movies so much better god bless Blu-ray

Your lack of impartiality, logic, maturity, acceptable grammar and research voids your statements. They lack any form of credibility as you are merely attacking Nintendo for not being Sony. Your blatant fanboyism is trully sad and will invalidate any arguments you form either against Nintendo or for Sony. Merely because you prefer one console over the others does not make it the better console. Its quite simple, each console has its own pro's, con's and exclusive content which appeals to different people.

how many times do i have to say it? the PS3's controller is not designed for motion sensing game play! its the same typ of two handed controller design they have been using since the first Nintendo. like i said the only people who flail a controller like that around are noobs!



first off the Wii has an additional controller for normal game play. second just because you don't like them doesn't mean every one els doesn't like them ether and judging buy the sales allot of people don't share your opinion.



the Wii has games for all ages and gaming levels. thats why they are doing so well.



nope it wont be much of a problem when they finely go belly up. all there systems will be dirt cheap.



OMG could you be any more of a fan boy!