theres some random author who says hes gonna prove god scientifically... uhhhh, that has to be the biggest oxymoron ive ever heard. first im saying that I AM ATHEIST, so now lets discuss the topic. i would really love to see this

Not again....

Those who will see what this guy writes as proof see the trees and stars as proof. (I do, but I recognize that I am not objective and it is not real proof.)

I'm not an Athiest, but I recognize that faith is faith for the very reason that it is UNPROVABLE. If it were provable, it would not be a matter of faith, but a matter of fact. This is all of course needless to say as it is common sense.

I'd be more interested if the guy was going to prove god lovingly

Any proof of that first statement ? A link perhaps ?

Or do we have to take it on faith

Meow Purr.

http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/385522925.html is this guy on crack

I saw this a few months ago. It was the Rational Response Squad vs. Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron (yes, the Kirk Cameron from Growing Pains way back when). Ray Comfort said he could prove the existence of god scientifically, without mentioning faith or the bible. He failed miserably. I thought the RRS was a bit clumsy at debunking him, but then again, it wasn't much to debunk from a scientific standpoint. Ray Comfort is the guy that tried to argue that the banana was proof of design by god, never mind the fact that bananas that we eat are engineered to be the way they are.

I don't have links at the moment for the debate, but it is on youtube. Just search for Rational Response Squad Ray Comfort ABC and you can find it. The last time I checked it was in a dozen or more parts.

Here is the link to Ray Comfort and the banana.

wait... i saw the bannana thjing like years ago, but that was his main evidence?!?! pls tell me so i can lmao

Nah, he didn't use the banana thing in the debate. Here is a link to the first part of the debate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-rKiGJrcNw. It's not as exciting as it was hyped to be, but still a decent way to kill 13 minutes online. Of course, you can find links to most of the rest of the debate once you're there.

OMG, I saw the banana thing a year or so ago on that horrible channel TBN. I thought it was the most ridiculous thing I'd ever heard. They (Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron) get me so steamed the way show footage of themselves going up to people and calling them liars and thieves and what not. They just seem so freaking snarky when they do that. Like they're so pleased with themselves for showing people how bad they really are. Aaaah! I keep waiting for the footage of that one person that tells them to get stuffed!

You first have to prove he exists. Why would anyone listen to proof about something that is not proven to exist?
It could or not be loving, it makes no difference if he doesn't exist

But if you consider that he does exist, then it is obvious he is loving from personal experience

No, I actually agree with those who say that faith is faith. I would love to believe in a loving God / Goddess / Goddess and God or whatever wich was proven through love

I'm living on someones planet, for free, no rent, I have to obey rules that come naturally to me, I get whatever I ask for, I never get punished for things even I think I should, and I'm not ever doing any work for him...I'd call it pretty loving

A loving God

Wasn't it God who killed all the unborn children on the planet.....with one exception?

yes, he killed them lovingly

Well if ya live in Britain, then i'm sure you'll be allowed to starve to death in one of the royal parks, ya lucky bugger

You can't generalize human life. You can't judge it from outside. Only I can say what is mercy for me and what is punishment for me. Someone viewing me might say god is cruel to me, but only I can say if he is or isn't.
Perhaps I would have the same opinion if I lived in a park

And I suppose he lovingly ordered the Midianites killed also.

I could end up in a part too, in fact I would have long ago if I hadn't had trust that god will handle things.
You might say my life has been one miracle after another, riding from edge of fall to another edge of fall.
By laws of probability I should have been that guy in the part so many times so far, considering what a "fighter"
I am. When you have a notorious quitter to become a successful person, that's enough proof of gods love.

What is death in religious view?
A punishment? Or a reward after a job well done?

If god did exist and all the wonderful things in heaven, wouldn't it be a glorious thing to die and leave the weight of the body?

You know, for a kid, depending on how much did he study at home, a test in school can be a nightmare or
a jun thing to do.

That's why atheists see god as cruel and believers see him as loving.

Now don't think that the "study" is a metaphor for learning or knowledge, no, it's a metaphor for difference in perception

We can look at same things and see them differently.
You can look at an angel and see a fiery demon

Depends on the religion.....or lack of.....not all believe in the same Abrahamic version of God as you do, then there are some that believe in a totally different Deity.



Only a Christian would think of an answer like that

that's neither an argument for your point, or an answer to my question

how am I suppose to respond to that?

And besides I'm not a Christian

It is an answer if you give it some thought.

Yes it is, and the translation is:

"I can no longer discuss with this person, clearly he is not intelligent enough for me to continue"

and now your response might be something like

"you said it, not me"

but forget it

What is death in religious view?
Depends on the religion.....or lack of.....not all believe in the same Abrahamic version of God as you do, then there are some that believe in a totally different Deity.

.....wouldn't it be a glorious thing to die and leave the weight of the body?
With my answer to your first question...
Only a Christian would think of an answer like that

Believe as I do or die.....Christian thinking????

oh, I see now

but I am not telling you to believe what I believe, I don't care one way or another what you believe

Youre like me, lad

How is that loving? It sounds totally neutral to me.

If living somewhere for free and getting whatever you ask for free is neutral, then what do you call paying rent and buying things? evil?

For all who think god is loving ..

Maybe you should hear his own words for once! -

"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women who has known a man by sleeping with him. But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves'

Numbers 31.17, 18

I have read the Bible from cover to cover, I have heard of all this, and many other frightening things, but that has little to do with the love of Father. God has also allowed children of Jews to be burned alive by Nazis.

But if you have experience the love of Father, you would also understand why this has nothing to do with it, and this is where the discussion stops, because nothing I or anyone else who believe can say that it would make sense in this frame.

You can look for it and find it, but you can't expect to hear about it or observe it or make sense of it.
It is an inner and personal thing.

If you don't believe in god, you'll just have to trust us believers that our god IS loving to us, even if you see
us dying at young ages or being killed by lighting sent by god.

And as for Yahweh, even though for the purpuses of monotheism he has been merged with Father, he was not the supreme god , but, rather Jewish
god, like Baal and other gods of that age and regions.

Yahweh is the Brutal god of war ..

You're god ..

Is Yahweh - With a different name.

half you religious people have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

You say "Ohhh he's so kind and loves everyone .. "

Although he ordered Moses to annihilate six different peoples?


Ugh .

Yes, I don't expect you to understand, not that it even concerns you much

You have hit the nail on the head here! If christians TRULY believed their own hype then they would all volunteer for the most dangerous jobs in the world - like crab fisherman, hi-rise construction, circus trapeze artist, etc. so they would hurry up and die so they could go to heaven.

Why are there 80 year-old christians? You had better believe that if I were blind enough to believe the rehashed fables from thousands of years ago (ie the biblical flood story was stolen from ancient babylonian texts as were several other parts of the old testament) then I wouldn't let myself go through the aches and pains of old age. I would already be in heaven floating on clouds and strumming my dorky little harp and laughing at all the idiots that hadn't yet figured out a way to die without committing suicide.

That's an interesting perspective, when you have two witnesses say the same thing, it actually reduces credibility because one stole from the other?
Make that 20, instead of two.