Nothing was doctored! Those were the actual documents. What was "doctored" were the Air Force's 1994 and 1997 Roswell Reports. It has now been proven that no Mogul balloon nor test dummies and accident victims were responsible for the Roswell incident and that Charles Moore knew nothing of any Mogul balloon launch on June 4, 1947, a full month before the Roswell incident hit the headlines, and the same Charles Moore whose flying saucer report was documented and published in LIFE Magazine.



Please post the cases you are speaking of, for which you've claimed, I was tripped up.

Was it this document?



Or perhaps, this?





In any case, please show where you've claimed, they were doctored. Then, explain why the same reports ended up here.



And then, you can explain why Commander Robert B. McLaughlin, USN, the same person who wrote the document I posted, stated the following in regards to yet another case;



HOW SCIENTISTS TRACKED A FLYING SAUCER
by Commander Robert B. McLaughlin, USN

"In its January issue TRUE said that the flying saucers are real and interplanetary. Its story was widely supported by the nation's press and radio. TRUE's findings are here confirmed by Commander McLaughlin, a rocket expert at White Sands Proving Ground, who worked independently of this magazine's investigation. He reveals how a troup of Navy men and scientists tracked a flying disk with a precision instrument and tells of flights he and others witnessed."

These impressions I settled on as accurate:

1. The Saucer, at the time it was first sighted, had been going at an extremely slow speed, perhaps 1 mile per second.

2. Despite the relative slowness, I could not determine its shape, although I judged it was similar in size to Saucer No. 1 because it was visible at an altitude above 25 miles.

3. It accelerated to a speed far in excess of anything obtainable with present day rocket motors.

4. The object passed within 5 degrees of the sun and was still visible to the naked eye. This would hardly have been true if the the object had been a meteor.

5. Again, there was no evidence of a propulsion system.

I'm not a scientist, only an curious observer. My gut feeling/instinct is that ETH is correct in most occurences. I'd be disappointed to think reality is so mundane that we are alone in the universe and swamp gas and weather balloons truly explain UAPs, but I won't lose any sleep over it either. I appreciate the info Sky presents. I give him more credit for rational thinking than you do. I my opinion, skeptical web sites can be just as jaded/biased as believer sites, but with an added smugness. An interesting program I saw recently on the History Channel, played a NASA recording where the astronauts clearly stated, "We're still watching the alien spacecraft" Doesn't get much more obvious than that does it? As far as religion goes, I was very devout for many (28) years. But recent events in my life have caused me to re-evaluate what I believe - I've changed my mind in many ways, but I have an over-arching sense that I don't know what to believe, so I'm kinda waiting to see what happens when the dust settles. Hey thanks for the great link. As far as questions like why don't they (ET) contact us, why haven't we detected any ET messages from space, etc... Who knows what ET might think or how they would view us? Everything I have read on the subject is pure speculation and hypothesis. Maybe they couldn't care less to contact us and we're just a curiosity to them like zoo animals. Who knows really? Meantime I'll read the forums, watch the skies, drink a few beers and enjoy life as much as possible.

Me too. I like to observe, I am quite fond of stargazing, I have a Nexstar4GT to help me. It rocks. We may have quite a bit in common, I have a strong religious background as well, not a similar experiance to yours by the sound of it, but nonetheless, no doubt we could have some great coversations. It certainly helps one understand philosphy to a greater extent.

Don't get me wrong, I scincerely appreciate Sky's very valuable information, he has even shown me a few instances I had to admit, yep, ET is as good an explaination as anything I have seen or could think of. In fact, I would not know half as much as I do on the subject without his prodding and heckling - and he does so in the nicest way. Great guy, no doubt, and very astute. He even beat me to my own trap on gorrillas one day, I was mighty impressed at being beaten to the punch, let me tell you, the man is polite and intuitive, clever, however....
I have seen him outright fabricate evidence for the Roswell incident, in that regard, yes, it does not have to be true or accurate to present. I offer the Air Force Project Highdive dates as current evidence. I have been maddened at the silly naming debates on the balloons, and anyone can plainly see this is done so that we cannot discuss the actuall release on the 4th - I suspect because he actually knows it is evidence and wants it kept under wraps. I got quite disiilusioned at a recent test to see if he had actually read the reports he posts so much on. Truns out, looks like he hadn't read them, just the propganda on them. I was crushed.
I'd like to see that History channel episode.

You know, funny thing is that I do believe there is alien life out there, and very possibly zipping around in saucer shaped crafts. Are they here? I doubt it, why? Because we do have evidence of them. Like the WOW signal. You might find Tesla's tales of communicating wth other worlds through his Tesla scope interesting too. Although, I don't believe that, and it hurts me to say that, I think Tesla was one of the most brilliant men to walk the earth to date. Eveyone has good points and bad points, even Sky, heck, maybe even myself.
Just imagine, this rock we float through space on is about 4.6 billion years old right. Imagine if man had risen 1 million years earlier, where might we be now? Science shows an exploding star produces elements that exist in planets, and the life, plants and minerals on them. Many planets in our system alone are much older than earth. If intelligent life arose on just one, say 500,000 years before man in a parallel situation of evolution, what technological level might they be at? Astounding to ponder even. Yet even from the closest star, they would have to have left before the rise of man, That takes quite some intuition, even for ET. So, I really doubt they are here, they may arrive, maybe they were telling us that with the WOW signal, but to date, the evidence is not forthcoming, and not having seen one of these things close enough to offer belief in the subject, I cannot help but see the empirical results which do ot support the ETH. That's not to say it wont happen, It might, it might not, but it does not seem the be happening now. Not in my corner of the world anyway. Roswell dis-information tends to make one cynical too, it shows how many are happy to accept falsification without verification. I guess that alone makes me somewhat cynical, however, I do keep an open mind. And thanks for your reply, we definitley have a common ground where the beers are concerned

Nah, you deliberately mis-intepreted the information on Project Highdive. I read it myself.

Oh, and thanks for including the second page of the letter this time, now I can actually see who signed it, and it was not at all from the doctor. My mistake, had you offered all the information originally, I would not have made that error.

And, this letter does not place a civillian as the head of a military project. It would take more than a personal letter of someone's opinion to confirm that.

What is there to mis-interpret?

The Roswell incident hit the headlines in July 1947, and Project High-Dive didn't take place until 1953!



I am glad. and shows why it is not prudent to debunk that, for which you do not know the rest of the story.

I think we do have alot in common. I'd love to have a good scope. By the way, where I live is about an hour and a half drive to the Palomar Observatory (http://www.astro.caltech.edu/palomar/). I can see the stars very well at night from my house (except for my nearsightedness).

The earth is what 4 billion years (give or take)? The rise of man from simple atmospheric flight to space flight was less than a century, and a mere speck of earth's history. The accomplishment of interstellar travel for us may or may not be the same (although I think it will be within this 21st century). But I don't know, maybe ET achieved it only after 3 billion instead of 4. I'm merely speculating of coarse, but that's part of the fun for me. As I'm thinking of it, If ET were a confirmed globally accepted/known part of our existence, it would begin to seem mundane and I might lose interest. It's the idea of the UNEXPLAINED that tickles our curiosity don' you think? I must confess that I don't take the time to totally read all the articles. I'd spend ALL of my waking hours if I tried. But I try to read the most pertinent info to get a handle the dialog/ facts/speculations as much as I have time for. Part of my problem is that I have eclectic interests that take me in too many directions.

What a kick it would be for me to have some beers and dialog with you AND Sky. Enough beers and I'm sure we'd either all agree or start a bar brawl. (Just in the middle of the rukus a group of greys would come and abduct whatever women we were with - we wouldn't notice 'til the next morning of course.)