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Dr. Kent Hovind gives his reasons why he thinks evolution is so stupid.

Personally...I think he's full of it, but check it out, its pretty interesting.

I stopped the video after "I believe the bible is the inspired, infallible, inerrant word of the living God."
Mind posting a couple of his better reasons on here?

Well... Obviously. He's a young-Earth creationist.


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And con men? (<< linky). (His offer and competition is a con, as evolution has nothing to do with the cosmos beginings)

Yes, this video has been posted before, and I can personally refute all the supposed points he tried to make. He didn't ask any scientists these questions like he claims, because even a biologist like me can explain the Big Bang.

And please, don't call him doctor because he isn't one.

Oh yeah... Evolution is very stupid...

The dinosaur and mastodon became extinct not because of evolutionary charges, but because they were too big to be got into Noah's Ark.
-Founder and President of World's Christian Fundamentals Association in debate in Los Angeles

Hey, its easy to refute ANYTHING, as long as you ignore all data to the contrary.

It also helps if you put your fingers in your ears, while chanting "Lalalalala I can't hear you! Lalalalala"

Obviously the good "doctor" had already made up his mind, and would not be confounded by any inconvenient facts.

I have no idea why anyone gives Hovind the time of day, he is quite clearly a con man using religion to make money.

I guess since you all came from monkey's it gives you the right to think like them as well.

Monkey's? We have a common ancester. But we didn't come from monkey's.

Sigh, yet another wallower in ignorance.

Whats funny is you YEC's did not touch the scientific threads on radiometric dating or evolution but you have no problems making lame ad hominem attacks on other threads where you do not need to back up your beliefs.

Shall I quote all the idiotic theories by so-called evolutionists? How many times they have recanted their opinions? The list would be a wall o'text I wouldnt want to bore you with that kratos.

Please do, because I can answer any questions you have or common misconceptions of evolution.
Post some points you find wrong with evolution so I can clear them up for you.

Please go ahead and cite them. My guess is you will only come up with evolving scientific knowledge, which you will argue is "idiotic theories".

I think you do not understand what you are talking about.

THIS statement illustrates that your grasp of the theory of evolution is somewhat flawed.


Which would make the following statement highly suspect.




But please, post your sources.

Enlighten me then...pllllllease?

Look, I could fight all you God-hating evolutionists any day, and I have on this board, I've battled Kratos generic biblical versus in which he has no idea what he is talking about. I do this day in and day out. I tell you what, do I search for my replies or posts, I have better things to do tonight then battle 20 vs 1 with you people....EVOLUTION IS TRU...NO GOD IS TRU....blah blah conversations take up 100 pages with no winner. Shall we start this again folks? Please....

So basically... Nothing to back up your claim that we came from monkey's / evolution is wrong?

Thought so.

Oh also, not every person who accepts evolution is atheist. A lot of christians do also - even the last pope did; here Although he only goes as far as accepting evolution and that god is still responcible for it and human souls.

Nephilim Slayer, just curious, why do you keep dodging everyone's request for you to elaborate on your blatent offer to show us the flaws of evolution?

I mean, if you have all these answers and can debate everyone, wouldn't it just be easier to state them (with sources) and shut everyone up?

Just curious.

I've seriously debated this exhaustion exhaustively. I have quoted pages of pages, listed sources, over 100 times here I tell you in defense of my belief and guess what? The argument goes on with no winner on both sides. You know what? You win, just believe in evolution and I'll have my creationism, we'll see he comes out in the end k? I certainly do not want to appy the effort for this tonight when i've debated this more than I can count.

If you had a debate with me, it wouldn't just be "EVOLUTION IS TRU"
I challenge you to such a debate in another topic.

This is getting childish here. "I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DEUL." Cimber I have battled the 4 million non-believers on this board for the last couple months. I refuse to do it again because the conversation goes no where. It really doesn't. If you could do a few searches on my postings you would see that I have exhaustively covered evolution from my creationist beliefs. I do not want to devout my entire friday night to debating with 15 people on here about how evolution is right or creationism is right. I refuse, if you call me out, I don't care I really don't, this is beating a dead horse. Go look up my posts if you want to see my stuff so badly. But It's friday night, and I'm going to have fun, tootles...

Stop putting words in my mouth. I didn't say a 'DEUL' or anything of that sort. This forum is about debate, and if you can't substantiate your claims, then no one will take you seriously.

Perhaps you could read some of my 500 other posts? IM TELLING YOU that these topics have been beaten to death on this board with no winner, and a lot of insults. If you don't want to take me as credible on this board than fine, It means not a measly ounce of care to me. Why don't you go have a ball at the 10,000,000 other evolution vs creationism threads that have been here already in which 90% are closed by mods because both sides start spewing insults.

If I simply read your other posts, then there would be no debate. I have seen your posts in the past. What is wrong with engaging in a debate with a biologist instead of a person who gets their information from a secondary source?

Guys, guys guys.

Can you not seethat Neph has beaten you? Beaten you down with his/her intellectual superiority and theological wit?

I know he has beaten you, and all other nonbeleivers because he said he did.


Even though this is supposed to be a debate forum, a forum for the exchange of ideas & information, and there really are no winners.

Face it. NephilimSlayer is a winner on the internet...........

Well Neph, old buddy, I hate to call you a lair but that what it appears to be. Frankly I am tired of the uneducated remarks about evolution and the creationists who claim to have "defeated evolution", so I took the liberty to search through all 23 pages of your posts for the words evolution, Darwin, Intelligent design, Creationism, Proof, evidence and theory.

Here is your best attempts at demolishing evolution:

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I have no idea how in your clearly broken mind this is "disproving evolution". You clearly don't understand evolution and you clearly have no feet to stand on when discussing it. I think (meaning in my opinion) you have lied to yourself about "debunking" evolution so often you believe you have, when clearly all you have shown is your ignorance on the subject.

There is no debate here in any of your arguments, just uneducated statements and your beliefs. If you wish to "disprove" evolution how about backing up your claims? Or can we assume at this point, you will find some lame reason that you need not support your claims....

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Pretty common kind of comment from folks who do not understand the concept of evolution. Trying to bash folks that understand evolution with the "think like a monkey" comments is childish to say the least, but all too common in these discussions unfortunately. I see it all too often.

With surprisingly little study of the basics of evolution the kind of comments like the one above would be avoided and an actual discussion and exchange of ideas could happen; but after years an years of watching these debates occur I know that will not happen here simply based on your responses to honest inquiries.

I look at both sides of the discussion and have more than once come across creationist data that I could not explain without a good bit of research on my own...Without the slightest willingness to entertain new ideas on behalf of both sides of the discussion, it is pointless to argue back and forth.

For some odd, strange, apparent reason I dont think Evolution is even in quarrels with the bible?. Maybe if we were interpreting it as a literal english translation when it was written originally in hebrew and greek, would we come up with 7 full days.
"Days" in the old testament had 3 meanings: 12 hour period, 24 hour period, and a period of time. The bible doesnt appear to go in depth on how long these "days" were but to give you some hints on how long these "days" were we'll look at the third day of creation in Genesis 1:11-12 "Then God said, "Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit after their kind, with seed in them, on the earth"; and it was so. And the earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good." So if we were to use our current knowledge of vegetation growth we can clearly see that the earth COULD NOT bring forth plants ON ITS OWN in one 24 hour period, its just rediculous to think that. Other than that and the theories on our origins I see no contradictions in the bible and evolution and for someone to step over the line and say "since we dont have an answer, God did it" then you have clearly crossed over into the theology department most of us call....creationism. Its not a science but a theological, philisophical response to the way the universe was and is being created. I dont see the contradiction but I dont believe that creationism is a science, nor is it testable. We have no natural means or tools to test a "spirit", the same way we cant "test" a thought....Now it doesnt mean its not there, it just means its not something that can be tested, thefore creationism isnt a science, nor can it be unless we can test God and in my opinion I dont believe thats possible nor do I believe that God would be to favorable of us probing him either....I dunno, its just my opinion but Im gonna have to say that we as christians or believers of a religion should stop ridiculing and rejecting the discoveries of scientists in our world. I dont believe that every scientist is out to rag on a religion and destroy it like a rabid dog but has a passionate desire to learn about our universe and possibly one day discover things that NEVER would have been known had they not started on the grueling search for truth. To the scientists that have no axe to grind I applaud you for if these scientists never existed we would never have vaccines to counter attack deadly viruses, prosthetic legs to walk on again, and medicines to cure our headaches and stomach pains. Dont shun the honest scientist for he may just be the one to discover a truth that could totally debunk a belief system, and thats not always a bad thing. I believe my religion is completely true, but at the same time I would like to know if my religion is NOT true as well

The attitudes of the pro evolutionists here seem to be that their (theory) has been proven a fact, it's a given, done deal, proof exist. Ok, so then it exist for creationism as well. Perhaps, that's why we call them (both) theories.

"absence of evidence doesn't prove evidence of absence..."

this applies to creationism as well.

I'm quoting your quote.

So, in other words, Nephilim_Slayer doesn't apparently want to debate evolution; he just wanted to jump into the thread and take a one-line cheap shot at people he doesn't agree with, then run like a little chickensh** when he gets called on for it. Shall we refute your arguments again, Neph, or do you want to simply concede that your contribution to this thread has been less than worthless?

Just because we have confidence in the theory doesn't mean anyone has claimed it to be fact. All scientists know that a theory can never become fact.

While the theory is "just a theory" (as many people who don't understand the meaning of the word are so quick to point out), it's based on facts and evidence.



While I haven't read through each and every post you've made, I definetely can't say that I've seen you "exhaustively cover evolution" at all.

I'll break it down to a very specific aspect of evolution, natural selection.



Just a brief example; can you explain how genetic changes don't occur in cases such as this?

Lol that explains evolution perfectly!


All creationists just then got owned

Natural selection is a pretty simple mechanism which doesn't require much thinking to accept, you can even derive it from common sense.
But it isn't always successful, specially now in civilisation, when everyone has the same number of kids no matter how rich or sick or poor they are.

But when you have reports of aliens and angels with human features, and ancient stories of creation of man, you tend to figure out
that you can't have humans come to look like that by chance.
You can't have two planets with exact same evolution history.

Where's the other planet with the exact same evolution history?

I don't know, but these beings have to come from somewhere, I assume a planet.

If you believe in greys, you have to believe in "humans" too because they often come together in UFO stories.

But I'm not saying this as evidence of creationism, I'm just saying how a UFO or religious person might see things

Then why did you say it?

To point out how there are indications of creationism other than religious

I don't really see how aliens are indications of creationism (and since the bible never said god created aliens, I kind of see it as more of a push for evolution), but if you feel like it helps creationism, then thank you for explaining your reasoning.

Angels live in heaven , and are therefore alien to earth, so religious texts are some of the earliest "theories" of alien life.

And besides, what people say they see in some UFO contacts and what they say they see in NDE experiences is pretty similar.
In both cases there are "humans" with snow white hair, pale skin and blue eyes or red eyes.
Which is the same what people have been seeing in Bible, humanoids with white hair, AKA angels.

So if we look the same as these angels , the either evolution was aimed and calculated to a point where we would look like gods, or
we were simply copied from them and put here

I have said this many times on deaf ears, but I'll say it again. Biological evolution, is just a change in inheritable traits over generations for a given population. This is a fact, not a theory, you can go into any modern biology lab and observe this. This is real and the way the world works. Natural selection is also observable. You can induce selection pressures in a lab or observe it in the wild, like in this paper for instance.



James A. Farr, The Role of Predation in the Evolution of Social Behavior of Natural Populations of the Guppy, Poecilia reticulata (Pisces: Poeciliidae) Evolution, Vol. 29, No. 1. (Mar., 1975), pp. 151-158.

Or here



Filchak, Kenneth E.; Roethele, Joseph B.; Feder, Jeffrey L. Natural selection and sympatric divergence in the apple maggot Rhagoletis pomonella. Nature, 10/12/2000, Vol. 407 Issue 6805, p739, 4p, 8 graphs; (AN 3667913)

Evolutionary theory explains these observations, it is a culmination of facts and observations explained all together.

This is quite silly, you don't hear people say "Well gravity is just a theory". Because anyone can drop something and see gravity in action. Anyone can actually see evolution as well, so long as they have the money and time and know how. Get yourself a little population of fruit flies and start killing off all the ones with certain phenotypes before they can bread.

Biological evolution is a fact of life. You can observe it, its not disputable. Evolutionary theory explains all these facts we have and it does it very well.

there always is one silly statement and this must be it!!! and who are you then?? Dr Dolittle?? you can understand what a monkey thinks??

Maybe you should look up the word - Evolve...and then think...if we just evolved from apes...and it took millions of years to reach this stage....take it from there and see how you go...and remember the ape wasn't always an ape...it evolved from another creature...and that creature evolved from another creature...and so on....

BRAVO Raptor..well done...I guess in cases such as this, you tend to lean towards pictures of matchstick men to certain people, in order to get them to understand what evolution means lol

that just seems contradictory, by coming on to this thread and stating your opinion and then saying that you dont have to debate because you already did, then why come on this thread in the first
place ??

dont come onto a thread and put forward something for debate if you yourself have no intention of debating your own posts.........THAT IS CHILDISH

Technology and modern medicine has "saved" us from much of the more obvious signs of natural selection, but it still acts upon our species. You come into contact with thousands of microorganisms everyday, if you die from this contact before you can reproduce you have been a victim of NS!

Also we can see how NS has acted upon us in recent history.

Here we can see the spread of the Bubonic plague.


Now a funny thing happens, There was a mutation to a gene that codes for chemokine (CCR5) receptors in T-Cells that gave the individual resistance to the bubonic plague. Knowing what we know about Natural selection, we would think that over the hundreds of years plague epidemics hit Europe, those with the receptor mutation would be more likely to survive and pass on their genes.

THIS IS A PREDICTION BASED UPON EVOLUTIONARY THEORY.

And this is exactly what we see, those parts of the world where the plague claimed the most lives, we see the mutation expressed in a much higher frequency within the populations.


Here is another example we can see Natural selection still at work on us.

Malaria is a parasitic protozoan that kills roughly 2 million people a year.


Sickle cell anemia is a genetic disorder that makes your red blood cells slightly sickle shaped,


this disease (while it can be lethal) normally does not kill people before reproductive age. The disease also drastically increases resistance to malaria.

So using the predictive prowess of evolutionary theory, we can predict that in areas in the world where malaria kills many people those with sickle cell will have better chance at surviving, thus increase the frequency of sickle cell in those populations.

And thats what we see, here is a map of malaria distribution in Africa.


Now we can look at the distribution of sickle cell anemia.


Heres an overlap map.



From this stuff we can see two things,
1. Natural Selection is still working on humans, even if it is in less obvious ways.
2. Evolution theory is a very good theory, we saw two examples of its predictive ability. (Lets see ID do that!)

Are you going to provide any support for your claims or are you expressing your opinion, because reality does not agree with you here. No evidence of angles or aliens other than shaky witness testimony.

Also, please elaborate on why humans can't look like we do

Good post Camlax, the overlapping effects of malaria and sickle cell anemia is a classic example in biology.