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TruBeliever
QUOTE(snowjob @ Sep 25 2007, 05:53 PM) *
im going to get a couple people and do a ouija board...problem is i dont have any friends who would do something like that....ill have to make more friends then...but here is my ideology: Just because other people have had bad experiences does not mean it is the same for everyone (im not referring to just ouija boards but any kind of evil presence, posessions,etc.) if u think it's scary then it's not ur..."thing" to do.



I truly hope, for your sake, you are being sarcastic. If not I pray for your well being.

TruBeliever
snowjob
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Sep 25 2007, 06:14 PM) *
That is exactly that mentality that will ultimately get you into trouble, but its your life so happy haunting.. JN



QUOTE(TruBeliever @ Sep 25 2007, 06:46 PM) *
I truly hope, for your sake, you are being sarcastic. If not I pray for your well being.

TruBeliever



Thanks for your blessings but i think im kinda kidding...even though i wanna try it for the sake of finding something more real than this pathetic world.
primordial
I learn that just thinking about the Paranormal with the right amount of Faith can conjure evil spirits. And, I don’t really care if I meet a demon, a poltergeist, a ghost... I just want some gram of evidence that there something on the other side. I am going to continue my ghost hunting outings till I do. I am yearning to know..

I have added 3 new videos ( a church) of our last hunt; http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=dwingeloo
JustNormal
QUOTE(TruBeliever @ Sep 25 2007, 10:21 PM) *
JN

I know exactly what you are going through. About 6 years ago I lost someone that I thought was my absolute reason for living. I watched as Diabetes and Dialysis ravaged their body and for the first time in my life I felt powerless. I have always been able to see the unseen, and help complete strangers with any number of heart wrenching tragedies. But this time I could do nothing but sit idly by and watch.

My life partner passed away, after being afflicted for 2 years. They passed 15 minutes after my birthday had ended, my birthday is 9/15 and the death occurred on the 16th. I went on auto pilot and made the funeral arrangements, when through the event and then this is where everything went to hell in a handbasket.

When I was able to breathe again and I came out of the sense of numbness, I felt such pain that I entered into a realm that I have, all my life, warned people not to go into. In a moment of anguish and complete and utter meltdown, I turned to people that I knew, under more sane circumstance, could bring me nothing but problems. I wanted so desperately to hear from my love, to hear that I had done all that was expected of me, that a portal was opened.

Nothing happened immediately, then gradually I began to notice little things. The smell of Gardenias, songs on the Radio, eerie voices that would make their way through the television. I should have known better than to attempt to communicate further, but I did anyway. I would shut myself off from my family for weeks on end. They would hear stories of me being seen in public, speaking to someone unseen. I was not aware of what was happening to me. I felt whole again, and I never wanted to lose that feeling.

Then, like in the case of so many others, the bottom fell out. The voices got loud and demanding. I would go through episodes in which Migraine type headaches would hit me with such intensity that I would get nose bleeds, and find myself too dizzy to even stand. The harder I tried to refrain from interacting, the more intense the pain would get.

This went on for almost a year. It wasn't until I got to what I feel was my lowest point, that I did the only thing I could think to do. I went to my, now Minister, explained what I had done and what was going on. I moved into his home, and through several months of prayer, soul searching and spiritual cleansing was I able to gain my life back.

It has been 5 years now. I know now that I did all I could do for my love. That no matter the amount of pain I felt, as result of their passing, nothing compared to the hell and torment that I put myself in, in a moment of desperation and grief. That situation is one that I never want to revisit. No matter how intense the grief seemed to be, it was nothing in comparison to what I opened myself up for. It was truly the darkest point in my life.

Blessed Be

TruBeliever



((((((((((TB))))))))))))) I am so sorry for your loss. It is said that during times of grief it is possible a human spirits visits us, and somehow we know this, thru dreams, images or messages. However, when they enter, a Demonic can follow that spirit right in the door, and knowing your state of mind will begin to instill more grief, fear, anxiety, and tears, then comes the horrific black horror that it brings into our lives, bodies and homes. I couldnt really visit any loved ones cause it followed, and when I talked on the phone so did IT..I had no privacy and really didnt think I was going to see the light at the end of the tunnel. I secluded myself, and had to force myself to go anywhere, I was too afraid, which it fed off. Once I got my strength back, and it lost some of its power, I ignored every parlor trick it used, and Lord knows if I told anyone, they wouldnt believe half of it, cause afterall either did I. So I know how you felt. I had the final exorcism in early August, and it was deemed an infestation, so I am still healing, and thats not always easy either. But I think I am stronger now, in my faith but more so in myself, and obviously you are stronger now too. By the way, we share the same birthday. Maybe Demonics are attracted to Virgos? LOL..JN-
TruBeliever
QUOTE(snowjob @ Sep 25 2007, 07:23 PM) *
Thanks for your blessings but i think im kinda kidding...even though i wanna try it for the sake of finding something more real than this pathetic world.



My advice to you would be simple, do not open any doors that you are unprepared to deal with. You can research hauntings, and the paranormal without looking for Dark Entities. Just be very cautious in the methods you choose.

Blessed Be

Tru Believer
AdorablyDead
Tru-When did I ever say I was contacting evil entities? huh.gif

JN- Why in the hell must you write with no paragraphs??? Atleast tru is slightly kinder to the almost ADD stricken and people with short attention spans laugh.gif
TruBeliever
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Sep 25 2007, 09:00 PM) *
((((((((((TB))))))))))))) I am so sorry for your loss. It is said that during times of grief it is possible a human spirits visits us, and somehow we know this, thru dreams, images or messages. However, when they enter, a Demonic can follow that spirit right in the door, and knowing your state of mind will begin to instill more grief, fear, anxiety, and tears, then comes the horrific black horror that it brings into our lives, bodies and homes. I couldnt really visit any loved ones cause it followed, and when I talked on the phone so did IT..I had no privacy and really didnt think I was going to see the light at the end of the tunnel. I secluded myself, and had to force myself to go anywhere, I was too afraid, which it fed off. Once I got my strength back, and it lost some of its power, I ignored every parlor trick it used, and Lord knows if I told anyone, they wouldnt believe half of it, cause afterall either did I. So I know how you felt. I had the final exorcism in early August, and it was deemed an infestation, so I am still healing, and thats not always easy either. But I think I am stronger now, in my faith but more so in myself, and obviously you are stronger now too. By the way, we share the same birthday. Maybe Demonics are attracted to Virgos? LOL..JN-


Demonics are attracted to Virgos? LOL..JN-

You do we Virgos do tend to be Perfectionists. Perhaps it is that "endearing" quality that attracts such chaos!!! LOL

Happy Belated Birthday JN

Blessed Be

TruBeliever
TruBeliever
QUOTE(AdorablyDead @ Sep 25 2007, 09:08 PM) *
Tru-When did I ever say I was contacting evil entities? huh.gif

JN- Why in the hell must you write with no paragraphs??? Atleast tru is slightly kinder to the almost ADD stricken and people with short attention spans laugh.gif


Tru-When did I ever say I was contacting evil entities? huh.gif

I don't think I ever alluded to the statement that you were dealing with evil entities? If I did, and it was in error, I apologize. But I do seem to remember you having commented on about ripping the veil wide open or something to that effect and stating something to the effect of being so young. Or am I once again mistaken?

Blessed Be

TruBeliever
AdorablyDead
QUOTE(TruBeliever @ Sep 25 2007, 09:19 PM) *
Tru-When did I ever say I was contacting evil entities? huh.gif

I don't think I ever alluded to the statement that you were dealing with evil entities? If I did, and it was in error, I apologize. But I do seem to remember you having commented on about ripping the veil wide open or something to that effect and stating something to the effect of being so young. Or am I once again mistaken?

Blessed Be

TruBeliever


I was joking with the ripping of the veil, although I did cut it open with my athame to "part the veil and open the gate", as I remember saying tongue.gif And I was trying to say that doing that type of ritual, even though by standards it was a very small and simple one, I was lucky that I had enough sense at such a young age and not really knowing exactly what I was getting myself into, to put up enough protection spells and such that I didn't let anyone else in.

Although that's why I had to do the cleansing ritual though. Apparently when I closed it I think I flubbed it up a little, and I started getting wierd dreams and seeing things like whatever was in my room was warning me to notice my mistake and rectify it before something bad did break through. If that had not have happened I probably never would have cleansed anything. My poltergeist was cute, annoying, but cute in it's mischevious way.
JustNormal
QUOTE(AdorablyDead @ Sep 26 2007, 01:08 AM) *
Tru-When did I ever say I was contacting evil entities? huh.gif

JN- Why in the hell must you write with no paragraphs??? Atleast tru is slightly kinder to the almost ADD stricken and people with short attention spans laugh.gif



I write what is in my heart and head, sorry if you cant keep up! rolleyes.gif
JustNormal
QUOTE(TruBeliever @ Sep 26 2007, 01:10 AM) *
Demonics are attracted to Virgos? LOL..JN-

You do we Virgos do tend to be Perfectionists. Perhaps it is that "endearing" quality that attracts such chaos!!! LOL

Happy Belated Birthday JN

Blessed Be

TruBeliever


Perfectionists, picky and dont forget analytical? I find it endearing, but I think most find it annoying LOL..Happy Belated Birthday to you too TB..........JN
AdorablyDead
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Sep 25 2007, 11:15 PM) *
I write what is in my heart and head, sorry if you cant keep up! rolleyes.gif


I will soooo come back with a very witty reply that shall put you to shame....in like two hours.

To shaaaame tongue.gif lol
JackalnChainz
Snowjob, don't beat yourself up. Most of us here believe in the otherside...another realm...the beyond...another reality, etc. But as most will testify, just knowing it is there, and touching it, communcating with it, seeing it, are way different. We all would like to experience this. It is in our human nature to want to reach out and explore. It's in the DNA, man. We can't help it. But a wise person will heed the advise in this room, because most of these people have already walked that path, in some form or another. Some will do it again. Others, like myself, will never tamper with channels that bridge the great gulf again. I will consistantly warn against it. But if you are determined to do so, research it first. Do the work, man. Slow your roll, and pay some dues first, and go into it with your eyes wide open and be fully aware of what you are doing, and most importantly, how to undo it. ~Jackal
JustNormal
QUOTE(AdorablyDead @ Sep 26 2007, 03:22 AM) *
I will soooo come back with a very witty reply that shall put you to shame....in like two hours.

To shaaaame tongue.gif lol



LOL I will be waiting patiently! rofl.gif
AdorablyDead
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Sep 25 2007, 11:47 PM) *
LOL I will be waiting patiently! rofl.gif


you....you do that!!!!....yeah!
JustNormal
QUOTE(AdorablyDead @ Sep 26 2007, 03:49 AM) *
you....you do that!!!!....yeah!



:::tappin foot:: Still waiting for the witty reply.. whistling2.gif
AdorablyDead
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Sep 26 2007, 12:21 AM) *
:::tappin foot:: Still waiting for the witty reply.. whistling2.gif


o rlymente? I've already forgotten about it. lol. tongue.gif
JustNormal
QUOTE(AdorablyDead @ Sep 26 2007, 04:42 AM) *
o rlymente? I've already forgotten about it. lol. tongue.gif



LMAO Me too to be honest, what was the question? blink.gif
AdorablyDead
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Sep 26 2007, 12:51 AM) *
LMAO Me too to be honest, what was the question? blink.gif


I'm not sure, but I've heard that the answer is 42!
Please Explain
What happen then if you don't close the door?
Veliska
Dabbling is something I never done personally. The only thing that has kept me from doing it is stories that had happened. Otherwise I would of been heck yeah....but uhhhh nahhh I think I would pass....
Leto0022
I believe (for the most part) that yes, if you open up that door, be prepared for the consequences. I believe that the Ouija board is evil (thanks to my grandmother, who was also sensative, made me and my brothers burn ours behind a church when she found us with one) and nobody you want to talk to is going to come out of there. Good spirits have more important things to do then talk to us through a game. I think this world is full of bad spirits just waiting for an outlet to do some damage. Be careful when you ask for an encounter with a ghost, cause you'll most likely get it, and it probably wont be grandma!
JustNormal
QUOTE(AdorablyDead @ Sep 26 2007, 06:27 PM) *
I'm not sure, but I've heard that the answer is 42!



Then the question was, what is 21 plus 21? laugh.gif
JustNormal
QUOTE(Please Explain @ Sep 26 2007, 06:46 PM) *
What happen then if you don't close the door?


If you dont close the door, it remains a gateway for other Demonics and entities..JN
glorybebe
QUOTE(TruBeliever @ Sep 25 2007, 06:10 PM) *
Demonics are attracted to Virgos? LOL..JN-

You do we Virgos do tend to be Perfectionists. Perhaps it is that "endearing" quality that attracts such chaos!!! LOL

Another Virgo on here, we must out number all the other signs.
JustNormal
QUOTE(glorybebe @ Sep 26 2007, 07:35 PM) *
Another Virgo on here, we must out number all the other signs.



Thats because we are highly sensitive and analytical..Happy Birthday Glory
Veliska
Dosen't Dabbling pull spirits out that does not want to be bothered as well....???
Please Explain
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Sep 27 2007, 05:10 AM) *
If you dont close the door, it remains a gateway for other Demonics and entities..JN

Ah ye ! they lived here, they don't need open doors. May i know who invented that portal thing?




glorybebe
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Sep 26 2007, 12:38 PM) *
Thats because we are highly sensitive and analytical..Happy Birthday Glory


Thanks, JN. I didn't put my b-day on so that I wouldn't have a b-day thread. Once you have your 30th, they kind of become...sad (at least for me)!
glorybebe
QUOTE(Please Explain @ Sep 26 2007, 06:30 PM) *
Ah ye ! they lived here, they don't need open doors. May i know who invented that portal thing?


What I was taught was that they couldn't bother you unless you invite them into your life. Once you acknowledge them, then they can interact, good and bad.
JustNormal
QUOTE(Please Explain @ Sep 27 2007, 01:30 AM) *
Ah ye ! they lived here, they don't need open doors. May i know who invented that portal thing?


I didnt invent it, thats for sure. We call them doors, or portals whatever. But some doors should never be opened. JN
JustNormal
QUOTE(glorybebe @ Sep 27 2007, 01:32 AM) *
Thanks, JN. I didn't put my b-day on so that I wouldn't have a b-day thread. Once you have your 30th, they kind of become...sad (at least for me)!



I hear ya LOL. Every year a birthday means a little less to me too...JN
AdorablyDead
QUOTE(Please Explain @ Sep 26 2007, 02:46 PM) *
What happen then if you don't close the door?


Then they keep coming through it.
JackalnChainz
QUOTE(Please Explain @ Sep 26 2007, 08:30 PM) *
Ah ye ! they lived here, they don't need open doors. May i know who invented that portal thing?


the democrats
AdorablyDead
QUOTE(JackalnChainz @ Sep 27 2007, 02:41 AM) *
the democrats


Dammit! How does he know! ohmy.gif
TruBeliever
QUOTE(glorybebe @ Sep 26 2007, 03:35 PM) *
Another Virgo on here, we must out number all the other signs.


Another Virgo on here, we must out number all the other signs.

Yeah January must have been an extremely cold month in the years we were born. Our parents had to do something to stay warm.

Happy Birthday Glory

Blessed Be

TruBeliever
TruBeliever
QUOTE(veliska27 @ Sep 26 2007, 03:59 PM) *
Dosen't Dabbling pull spirits out that does not want to be bothered as well....???


I don't know if the act of dabbling actually pulls thru unwilling spirits, however I can see where it would pull thru those that are connected to stronger, darker entities. Kind of like in hauntings, where the victim is continuing to be traumatized by their assailant. It would stand to reason that if they were being tormented in the other realm, that torment would continue until the situation was resolved and the vicious cycle broken. Good question!!

Blessed Be

TruBeliever
glorybebe
QUOTE(TruBeliever @ Sep 27 2007, 08:11 AM) *
Another Virgo on here, we must out number all the other signs.

Yeah January must have been an extremely cold month in the years we were born. Our parents had to do something to stay warm.

Happy Birthday Glory

Blessed Be

TruBeliever

Happy Birthday to you, too, TruBeliever!

LOL@cold January!
TruBeliever
QUOTE(glorybebe @ Sep 27 2007, 11:39 AM) *
Happy Birthday to you, too, TruBeliever!

LOL@cold January!


LOL@cold January!

I thought you would get a kick out of that wink2.gif

Blessed Be

TruBeliever
JustNormal
QUOTE(JackalnChainz @ Sep 27 2007, 06:41 AM) *
the democrats



LOL- clap.gif
JustNormal
QUOTE(glorybebe @ Sep 27 2007, 03:39 PM) *
Happy Birthday to you, too, TruBeliever!

LOL@cold January!


OMG I so dont want that January visual in my head.. no.gif
TruBeliever
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Sep 27 2007, 04:18 PM) *
OMG I so dont want that January visual in my head.. no.gif



OMG I so dont want that January visual in my head.
LOL. I am so sorry *snicker*. I have to admit, given everything I have seen in my life. That visual would have to rank right up there with the most horrific.

JN, could I in anyway persuade you to email me either here or at my regular email acct. If you would like my reg acct, I would be more than happy to give it to you, just let me know. Thanks!

Blessed Be,

TruBeliever
JustNormal
QUOTE(TruBeliever @ Sep 27 2007, 08:59 PM) *
OMG I so dont want that January visual in my head.
LOL. I am so sorry *snicker*. I have to admit, given everything I have seen in my life. That visual would have to rank right up there with the most horrific.

JN, could I in anyway persuade you to email me either here or at my regular email acct. If you would like my reg acct, I would be more than happy to give it to you, just let me know. Thanks!

Blessed Be,

TruBeliever


LOL That's ok, I enjoy a good laugh once and awhile. You can certainly email me on UM, and am looking forward to hearing from you..JN
Pluto-x
Hi Truebeliever...

I agree with you that dabbling in those things can be a dangerous thing. You are opening a portal to something you don't know how to close. You are inviting anything to come through. With that being said, you have no idea what you are messing with. We treat our spirits during investigation at places that claim to be haunted with the utmost respect and positive attitude. Ghosts were people once, so we treat them as if they are alive. I believe we get the same results using the positive attitude. We do not believe in provoking, or conjuring etc;
TruBeliever
QUOTE(Pluto-x @ Sep 27 2007, 05:23 PM) *
Hi Truebeliever...

I agree with you that dabbling in those things can be a dangerous thing. You are opening a portal to something you don't know how to close. You are inviting anything to come through. With that being said, you have no idea what you are messing with. We treat our spirits during investigation at places that claim to be haunted with the utmost respect and positive attitude. Ghosts were people once, so we treat them as if they are alive. I believe we get the same results using the positive attitude. We do not believe in provoking, or conjuring etc;


...With that being said, you have no idea what you are messing with.

Pluto, was that a generalized statement or was it intended to be understood that I had no idea what I am messing with? I can assure you, that having had my own hell-filled experience, I know full well what can come of dabbling, or better yet in my case, letting as state of grief dictate my actions.

We treat our spirits during investigation at places that claim to be haunted with the utmost respect and positive attitude. Ghosts were people once, so we treat them as if they are alive. I believe we get the same results using the positive attitude. We do not believe in provoking, or conjuring etc;

Nothing angers me more than to see a so called "investigator" provoke to gain responses. I find the motive behind this highly questionable. To me the investigator is doing so for gain immediate and self glorification. He or she isn't in it to help the person that is just looking for answers to what is happening let alone to help the energy in question to find resolve.

There is one particular televised "hunter" that makes this practice commonplace, which is strange to me considering that he has admitted to having multiple phobias.

I applaud you in the respectful manner that you approach both your clients and entities that you encounter. I feel that if more investigative teams took this approach, we would find a greater ease in our investigations, and a lot more answers and/or proof would be ascertained. I believe conjuring and the use of other "occult" devices can ultimately on go on to descredit, and in effect, undo the one thing we, as investigators, are trying to do; gain proof.

Thank you for your response

Blessed Be

TruBeliever

snappydragon
TB I too am sorry for your loss. That is truly the hardest thing to go through.And the feeling for wanting some contact from beyond. I am struggling with grief over my dad passing two years ago. JN I fear with all the action in your home that there may be some left over infestation, I hope you will be ok. Jackel, When are you writing more stories? This is a good thread. I agree with not messing with that stuff. But the temtation is there, to go out and take pictures and stuff, which i think , in my case, would amount to dabbling to far and i would take something home with me I did not want. Glory bee Happy birthday. Mine is september 28 th rolleyes.gif Sorry to condence but I didn't want to send a whole bunch of messages and have it be snappy, snappy snappy. To the young persons here, you have to find something passionate here in the real world, in life, not in the beyond and the exitment of the unknown. Love, fight for what's right, have a cause, mean something here. This is what's real. Well, i guess we all can take that advise, including me.
glorybebe
QUOTE(snappydragon @ Sep 27 2007, 09:19 PM) *
TB I too am sorry for your loss. That is truly the hardest thing to go through.And the feeling for wanting some contact from beyond. I am struggling with grief over my dad passing two years ago. JN I fear with all the action in your home that there may be some left over infestation, I hope you will be ok. Jackel, When are you writing more stories? This is a good thread. I agree with not messing with that stuff. But the temtation is there, to go out and take pictures and stuff, which i think , in my case, would amount to dabbling to far and i would take something home with me I did not want. Glory bee Happy birthday. Mine is september 28 th rolleyes.gif Sorry to condence but I didn't want to send a whole bunch of messages and have it be snappy, snappy snappy. To the young persons here, you have to find something passionate here in the real world, in life, not in the beyond and the exitment of the unknown. Love, fight for what's right, have a cause, mean something here. This is what's real. Well, i guess we all can take that advise, including me.


A little OT, here, but you know that there is another horoscope that goes by month? I will have to find it, it describes a September child rather than a Virgo/Libra.

Ok, well, as to hearing form the beyond. The night before my grandma's funeral, she sat at the foot of my bed and rubbed my feet. She used to rub my feet when ever I was upset. That comforted my more than I can say. She also came back in a dream later and told me that her and my grandpa were fine and that they wanted me to tell everyone that. Every time I lose someone, they come and say goodbye in a dream. It is like a blip between dreams where they kind of but in to make sure I get the message. I have heard of others this has happened to. Tru, did you not experience this? Or was your grief too strong and overpowering?
TruBeliever
QUOTE(snappydragon @ Sep 28 2007, 12:19 AM) *
TB I too am sorry for your loss. That is truly the hardest thing to go through.And the feeling for wanting some contact from beyond. I am struggling with grief over my dad passing two years ago. JN I fear with all the action in your home that there may be some left over infestation, I hope you will be ok. Jackel, When are you writing more stories? This is a good thread. I agree with not messing with that stuff. But the temtation is there, to go out and take pictures and stuff, which i think , in my case, would amount to dabbling to far and i would take something home with me I did not want. Glory bee Happy birthday. Mine is september 28 th rolleyes.gif Sorry to condence but I didn't want to send a whole bunch of messages and have it be snappy, snappy snappy. To the young persons here, you have to find something passionate here in the real world, in life, not in the beyond and the exitment of the unknown. Love, fight for what's right, have a cause, mean something here. This is what's real. Well, i guess we all can take that advise, including me.


Condensed or not, Very well said. There is a line from Midnight in The Garden of Good and Evil that comes to mind at this point... of course I am paraphrasing here but it was something to the effect of don't spend so much communing with the dead that you forget about the living. I think that is sound advice.


Blessed Be

TruBeliever
TruBeliever
QUOTE(glorybebe @ Sep 28 2007, 12:40 AM) *
A little OT, here, but you know that there is another horoscope that goes by month? I will have to find it, it describes a September child rather than a Virgo/Libra.

Ok, well, as to hearing form the beyond. The night before my grandma's funeral, she sat at the foot of my bed and rubbed my feet. She used to rub my feet when ever I was upset. That comforted my more than I can say. She also came back in a dream later and told me that her and my grandpa were fine and that they wanted me to tell everyone that. Every time I lose someone, they come and say goodbye in a dream. It is like a blip between dreams where they kind of but in to make sure I get the message. I have heard of others this has happened to. Tru, did you not experience this? Or was your grief too strong and overpowering?


Every time I lose someone, they come and say goodbye in a dream. It is like a blip between dreams where they kind of but in to make sure I get the message. I have heard of others this has happened to. Tru, did you not experience this? Or was your grief too strong and overpowering?

Yes it did happen that way for me, but I was so wrapped up in the physical loss that it didn't seem to be enough at that time. I was also angry. Angry at the situation, angry at God for taking them, and above all else angry at my love for leaving me alone. That is where I got into trouble, I let my grief cloud my better judgement and instincts. I wanted so bad to have them back, that I was willing to go to any length to have them. I was in so much turmoil, that I couldn't see that I didn't lose their memory, or their love. I hadn't really lost them at all. The best part of them and the relationship I still carry with me. That is why I tell people, every chance I get, the horrors I have experienced firsthand.

It is not worth the pain that it inflicts both on you and the one's that are still here caring for and loving you. The thing that is so deceiving is how subtle the change is. At first everything was great and I was on top of the world, thinking I had something I didn't. It is when it started to turn sour, that I realized that I had made a mistake, and by that time it was almost too late. I still bear the scars of that event, both physically and mentally, and it has been 5 years now. It is not something one just "gets over"

It was over 2 1/2 years before I could even speak about it to anyone, outside of my minister. Some details I still can't discuss, just because it is too grotesque and as JustNormal can identify with, too painful to relive. So, having said all that, yes I believe there are proper ways of communicating, and in that way of thinking, proper ways to prepare yourself for what may or may not happen. Dabbling, just for the sake of kicks or seeing "what if" is a dangerous scenario. I was no novice when I went down that slippery slope and it still almost cost me my life. I still have to ask other's for their opinion and/or help when I get caught up in the search for evidence. It is too easy, to repeat the mistakes of the past. So, I have to have someone else put into clear view what I already know to be true.

Blessed Be

TruBeliever
JustNormal
It was over 2 1/2 years before I could even speak about it to anyone, outside of my minister. Some details I still can't discuss, just because it is too grotesque and as JustNormal can identify with, too painful to relive. So, having said all that, yes I believe there are proper ways of communicating, and in that way of thinking, proper ways to prepare yourself for what may or may not happen. Dabbling, just for the sake of kicks or seeing "what if" is a dangerous scenario. I was no novice when I went down that slippery slope and it still almost cost me my life. I still have to ask other's for their opinion and/or help when I get caught up in the search for evidence. It is too easy, to repeat the mistakes of the past. So, I have to have someone else put into clear view what I already know to be true.

Blessed Be

TruBeliever

(((TB))) You are totally correct my friend. Dabbling is just wrong no matter who chooses to mess with the occult even innocent kids fall prey to horrible dark happenings. Take care..JN

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