Hello Fellow Members,

I was reading through the other entries and I did not see one on the potential hazards of "dabbling" in the paranormal. I feel that people who hold seances, the use of Ouija Boards and ticking off an entity to illicit an response etc for the sake of entertainment are just asking for trouble. I believe that people who do this run the hazard of opening up a can of worms that they are not capable of dealing with.

What do you think??? Do any of you have any first hand experience, either thru "association with" or "investigations of" anyone that has turned their lives upside down because they wanted to "see" what would happen? Thanks

TruBeliever

Well, I have some interesting experience...

A few years ago, my friend and I bought a ouija board. I was serious about it, but she was just fooling around with it. Unfortunately, the seance was held in MY house, so I ended up paying the consequences. She fooled around while we were on the board, pretended to be possessed, etc. Well, the punishment for that was 6 months of my dog flipping out in the middle of the night, every single night, in the hallway. My mother and I literally spent the night in the hallway to try and catch what he was reacting to. Whatever he was, it scared the crap out of him, because he'd jump up, and start barking like crazy, and it would be almost impossible to quiet him down. We never found a physical cause, but fortunately it eventually stopped.

I am a firm believer that animal and children are far more sensitive to things of this nature. Because in both cases there is no room for doubt. Everything is black and white to them. You are among the lucky ones. I know of people who have opened portals and out of fear they moved from their homes only to be followed by the entities. Whenever I am asked to "assist" in episodes of this nature, do so only after totally immersing myself in every shred of goodness I can. Even then, I have had my share of " battle wounds", but that is a story for another day. Thank you for your response!!!

TruBeliever

Dabbling with the occult can be a nasty business. The problem with it is, it is a gateway to the dark side. Due to the fact most summons a spirit on a Quija or seance they normally get more than they bargained for. Human spirits that have moved on, cannot reply, so what does that leave? The word "occult" comes from the "Latin Occultus" meaning the "knowledge of the hidden" or "knowledge of the secret" as opposed to knowledge of the visible. In otherwords, delving into the occult, many study it, causing them to have a deeper understanding to another dimension which normally involves pure evil, which should not be explored or taken out of hiding. So, when it comes to occult practices, to me that means a human or humans open the gateway to a Hell, and demons. Many practice it by witchcraft, voodoo and various other dangerous rituals. So for the average person or teen who tries a Ouija or lets say seance type thing, they can also open up the same gateway, without meaning to of course, and their lives can become a pure Hell. I think most human spirits are all around us, whether they be deceased family members or friends. They visit, hang out and take off. There are accounts of those spirits who are stuck in time, or grounded here on Earth due to the manner of death. Anything beyond that, the spirit has a different classification, being Poltergeist, Malevolent spirit and then the Demonic which is not a spirit but more an entity. Opening up ourselves to that side of the paranormal, normally attracts the negative ones, because those are the ones that feed off fear and grief. A human spirit can give us a message while asleep, in an EVP or photo, but when it comes to the occult its a whole different set of entities. Like many I used a Ouija once or twice as a pre-teen but questions were "who will I marry" or "does so and so like me?" LOL..In that case, I am sure its our subconsious that works the planchette. But the moment we ask for someone, or who it is, what is death or anything of that nature, all I can say is watch out!! Lastly, the problem with Ouijas in particular is that there is no time attached to it, so people can play for a time, get some minor activity, become afraid and stop. However something very negative can lie dormant, and surface at will, mostly when that person is at a low point emotionally or physically even years later. I tell teens all the time to stay clear of those games or practices, they can be very dangerous, and be careful what you wish for..JN

I agree with all of these posts. I found the story Essence presented particularly thought provoking. The open portal left in her home by an irresponsable partner...the adverse reactions of the pet...and I was moved that you cared enough about him to stay in the hallway with him to try and help. I am concerned however...these things seldom just go away or "eventually stop". They go DORMANT. But they seldom leave, as most of the time they are trapped. They often need to be released.

I also have a question on this topic, if I may. I was told recently, that in order to properly close a portal opened in such a manner, one needs the exact combination that opened it. As to say, you need the same board and the same people at the same place. Is this accurate? The one who told me this was formerly with some Light Ministry in NY that had spawned from Aleister Crowleys' old ministry (something Star) , and had used the boards all her life. Is there any validity do you think?

Hi Jack, you are correct, if it was demonic it would not leave, but lie dormant and could surface at any given time. I am not 100% sure about answering your question, but I think the answer is no. If perhaps, a portal was opened, and we had or have a demonic amongst us, recreating it, wont work. I know that my demonologist told me that many of his Demonic hauntings or possessions stemmed from the occult, even by innocent game players. I would have to say, the only way to close that portal is to have the entity banished and the home exorcized if you will. It really doesnt matter how they got in or why, but that they are there. What we cant do is fall into any bad habits that got us into this mess to begin with. I would say a Religious Demonologist would be the best one to close everything and get rid of any or all entities..JN

In the cases I have been involved with, there were no way to have access to the original Ouija Board. We used a fellow investigator's board to get the entity to identify itself. I think in the case of this person using the same Ouija is because his, or her, energy is already associated with it, and may make it easier for contact to be made. According to what I have been taught, the combination to open the portal may vary, but the one to close it remains the same in almost every case I have seen. It being that you command in the name of the Almighty for the entity to leave and do no further harm. Afterwards a circle of Salt goes to further protect. You must however be dililgent in the process of blessing and filling the abode with Holy Light/Energy or the entity can find refuge in an innocent bystander. That is why I always add the names of the people who are involved secondarily, such as the investigators, Medium and/or sensitive.

I hope this helped to clear some things up for you

Blessed Be

TruBeliever

As Puzuzu says on his website...'Death to dabblers.' Nahhh i don't really wish you to die.

Dabbling is very bad if you don't know what you're doing, especially with spirits. If you're lucky nothing at all will happen. With my experience I just got annoyed with a pesky and slightly playful poltergeist. I guess. Doesn't matter much to me what any of them were, they're gone now. *shrugs* But it taught me to do my homework and know what I'm doing next time.

IF they poltergeist is all you got, you are indeed lucky. How long has it been since you had this event take place? You know about how entities can remain dormant? I have found that this period of non activity often follows closely to how many times you knock on that particular door. Each time weakens the veil between our world and their.

Blessed Be

TruBeliever

If I'm remembering and couting correctly about 9 or so years ago. What about knocking on a door? I slit that ****ing veil with an athame. XD No seriously though, it took like 4 energy filled excorsism's to make the crap stop.

Damn I just realized I was like 12 or 13 when I did that stuffs to. But I did have atleast enough good sense to cast a circle with the Gods protecting me. And to make sure that nothing bad was allowed to come through the veil with the Gods protection as well.

Such a smart little girl, yet such a ****ing stupid one as well, lol.

Exactly, and thank you TB..I learned not long ago to never "Open the door." JN

Dabbling with the occult can be bad even if you know what you are doing. If you or anyone continues to dabble, homework wont save you, all the protection you think you have, wont work. Take it from someone who knows..JN

I absolutely agree!!! JN

JN, I have to agree. I think the most diverse groups of people live in or near the inner city. And it would be no different than yelling, "come on in!", everytime the door bell rang. You just never know who you are letting in. Better to keep it closed. ~Jackal

I know where you got a lot of that from, but I can't say!

I was reading through the other entries and I did not see one on the potential hazards of "dabbling" in the paranormal.
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TrueBeliever, I wonder what it is that you truly believe. Being told NOT to "dabble" in things he knows nothing about is the surest way to encourage a human being to start dabbling. Mankind is similar to the cat in his insatiable curiosity. Scientific research could be regarded as "dabbling" but you will never stop humans from poking their noses into the unknown as it is as much a part of our nature as a cat's poking its nose into shopping bags and closely examining anything new that is brought into the house. Telling people not to have anything to do the Ouija board is a bit like telling people NOT to watch this horror movie or that if they have a faint heart. It is the best way of selling the product. Try telling scientists to stop the "dangerous" practice of researching into nuclear fusion.

anyone who "plays" with the board will become the entertainment...and it is a nasty audience...

randomhit10

Well I was young back then and didn't know what I would be getting into and also knew next to nothing about pyshcic protection. Trust me, if I ever did anything like that again, it wouldn't be dabbling.

I am in no way advocating the use of any product. I agree that things of this nature are more often than not sold as an entertainment device. For chrissakes you can find them in most toy dept. The point I was trying to get across, is that it is too easy for things to go bad. I don't think I once told anyone "not to dabble". If that was the message you got, then I must apologize for it was not my intent. It just seems here lately, I have been hearing either over the different radio channels or television programs that this has been taking place. One line in particular sticks in my mind that I heard just this past weekend. The lady actually said " WE WERE DRINKING AND DID IT FOR KICKS". To me that is like giving an assassin a loaded gun and an easy mark. You ask me what I truly believe. Well one of my beliefs is simply to keep educating myself. Their is no greater weapon than the correct use of knowledge as it applies to you. Another, is never turn a blind eye to anything. Once again if I give the impression of advocating the use of Ouija Boards it was not my intent. My intent was only to get a collective to pass on the dangers of going into a situation haphazardly.

TruBeliever

Sheesh another ouija board question. Dabbling or full on using is all the same. You're opening a doorway that you may regret. It's all bad news.

Thelma,

Being that I am new to the site, I didn't know of the other message threads. I should have researched further back before asking. My apologies

TruBeliever

Dabbling and full on using are not always the same.

I didn't mean it like that TruBeliever sorry if it came out that way, I just meant it like "I can't believe so many people are posting about this". Thats all. It seems that Ouija boards & Demons are a hot topic on this board & people just wanna know all kinds of stuff relating to that. Ouija boards are bad news wether you're just playing around to see if all the rumors & stories are true or if your intentions are more than that. Either way, you're gonna get yourself into something that you don't want. About 95% of people on these boards advise against the use of the spirit board.

Just the definition in Latin, the rest is my own words..JN

If it was not "Dabbling" how would you define it? JN

I disagree. Dabbling and using are completely the same thing. Different words, same practice when it comes to the occult..JN

I never said that it wasn't dabbling when I was young. To me Dabbling is doing something, especially linked to the spirit world, where you have no clue what you're getting yourself into, what you are really doing, you're fooling around and haven't really truly read up on what you're doing; all that jazz.

To me, it would not be dabbling now because I am sure and serious in my faith and my practices.

You seem to be rationalizing your use, but no matter how you cut it, faith or not, its dabbling. JN

I didn't mean it like that TruBeliever sorry if it came out that way,

No need to apologize, I misunderstood you. It is sometimes hard to garner what people are trying to say in these forums. So much is left up to interpetation. No harm done.

I just meant it like "I can't believe so many people are posting about this". Thats all. It seems that Ouija boards & Demons are a hot topic on this board & people just wanna know all kinds of stuff relating to that.

You know, I don't think it is just prevalent on sites like this. Is it me, or has the airwaves been alot more full of the same reports and stories? I mean you can't turn on the History International Channel, A & E, Discovery Channel without seeing a report or dramatization of actual events. Even the National Geographic channel recently aired a story on Hauntings, Paranormal Studies, and Demonic Entities.

Ouija boards are bad news wether you're just playing around to see if all the rumors & stories are true or if your intentions are more than that. Either way, you're gonna get yourself into something that you don't want. About 95% of people on these boards advise against the use of the spirit board.

It is like I stated earlier. I can remember Ouija Boards being commonplace as college dorm room antics or something we did as the "party hearty" crowd around Halloween. It is like they have always been available to just anyone that wants to go to the toy department, of our local Walmarts, and pick one up. You just never used to hear about it as much. I can remember seeing one occupying it's place on the closet shelf right along side the Monopoly, Scrabble and Yahtzee games, and never giving it a second thought. It wasn't until years later I saw, firsthand, the destruction and heartache can be caused from it's use. It just seems to me like they are being talked about more openly now, than in recent history.

At the very least, I think Milton-Bradley ( I am using that company as an example only) should at least be required to print a disclaimer on the box. I actually saw listed on one box rated for age 8 and up (as if we don't have enough problems raising our youth with morals and values). I mean, afterall, even video games work on a rating system for age appropriate use.

I am in total agreement with you, despite our inherent curiosity towards things "Paranormal", I believe there are some doors that are better left not knocked on. I have yet, to hear of an instance in which an spirit board being used to contact anything filled with the Light of Goodness. As, I stated earlier on, Demonic Entities are liars. Posing to be someone's long lost Aunt Effie, telling her "heirs" where the long lost family fortune is hidden, is just the invitation the Entity needs to gain a foothold into our realm. In my opinion, if there was ever a case where the term "Buyer Beware" applies, this is it.

Thank you for your time,

Blessed Be

TruBeliever

I think that stating out loud that you allow a spirit to come into your house is just as dangerous as saying it on a ouija board. The only different there is that we can hear back from the entity. I don't really think that Ouija boards are necesarrily some "doorway" to the otherside - but just a a way of comunication. I could easily put myself in a dangerous situation like that without having to use a ouija board.

Yes you can put yourself in a dangerous situation, in many ways. You are correct when you said you do not have to use the board. People have been envoking Entities for generations by various other means. To me it isn't so much the method of communication, and the message you receive as much as the "Messenger". Perhaps doorway doesn't apply as you see it, but in every report I have been privy to, the term doorway and/or portal is what I have heard it called. Whatever the means, I believe, this is one time that people should let better judgement prevail and err on the side of safety.

Blessed Be

TruBeliever

I remember about 3 years ago, my aunt died. She was not really my aunt, but my Mom's long time friend. After my parents died she was like a mom and friend to me. Prior to knowing of her death, I got a horrid stench in my apartment, that seemed to take over the entire place, and it made me so angry I could not find the source. I called the Landlord and asked for a new fridge, as I thought it was freon or something died under it. They replaced it and it was dusty under it, but nothing dead. Then I thought perhaps some squirrel or mouse died in the walls, but it last too long and literally made me ill. I came home from work one Saturday and the entire place smelled like flowers, and the scent was breathtaking. I knew someone died, so took a nap and had a dream my aunt died. I called and sure enough she had died exactly when the stench started. But that night I heard 3 knocks on my back door. Now thats not common because outside that door is a wooden fire escape and no one has ever used it. So of course I asked who it was, and no answer. It was snowing so thought perhaps it was the wind. The next night 3 knocks again very loud. I opened the inside door not storm door and noticed there were no footprints, on the freshly fallen snow. I "assumed" it was my Aunt wanting to come in, but still felt uncomfortable with opening the door. This went on for weeks and one night while online with a friend I told him it was knocking again. He said "open it, they want to get in." Reluctantly I did open it, and of course no one was there, and as I shut the door I got a chill that I will never forget. Something told me that was not my Aunt and should have listened to my instincts. That was the beginning of a haunting, which ultimately turned out to be Demonic. My Demonologist asked me once "If Brad Pitt came to the door (or the movie star of your choice) and wanted in, yet you sensed he was not exatly what he appeared to be, would you let him in?" Now that is a perfect analogy of letting something in, even though deep down, we know is not good..JN

So you are saying that people that spend thier lives devoted to the occult and trying to communicate with spirits and such, especially pagans since some of my rituals and spells have stuff like that in them, are Dabblers? I have been a practicing pagan for about ten years, I am no dabbler.

Do NA medicine men not also talk to spirits as well? Isn't that part of thier practice? So no matter how much they know or how long they've been doing it, by your definition, they are dabblers as well?

I think, in my opinion, what it comes down to is if you think it will hurt you, it will. If you go into using a ouiji board or a seance expecting something evil to come out, then it more then likely will. If you know it won't hurt you, know you are protected, I wouldn't worry. I'm not saying to go out and do anything, because if you have any doubt, you might get hurt, but I personally have never been afraid of any of that and I've never have a problem at all. I know I'm the minority and there will probably be a ton of people replying to me saying that it's just going to open a gate to evil, but as I said, in my heart of hearts, I know I won't be hurt, and I still haven't yet nor am I going to.

Exactly.

My niece did that after watching The Craft. I told her that she shouldn't paly around with things that she didn't understand and know enough about. But, then her mom, my sister gave me crap for scaring her daughter. Silly silly woman.

Yes. you are opening a door you don't fully know how to close, even if you have "spells" and such, they are just tools of what you don't want in, what apears as light is not, in my opinion. No matter how much you know, letting it in is letting in. But isn't looking for ghosts and such a matter of dabbling too? You don't know if that entity of light that looks like your uncle Joe is actually that or a demonic untill it's too late and they are already in.

And how do you know that the people that practice this, especially the ones that are devoted to those practices, do not know how to fully close the veils?



Well of course it is, but it is knowing what you are letting in that is the key. And knowing the protection you need to take to prevent certain things from happening. And knowing what you are getting yourself into should things chance to go wrong. And having the experience and knowledge to correctly deal with them. That is why spirits should always be treated with respect. It's the same reason why I would not do a ritual for the Fae's help and then deal with them as if they are lesser then me.



In my view even mourning someone at thier grave site could be seen as dabbling from almost everyone's apparent view if you think about it. You go to the site where someone's body is buried almost ritualistically (especially around holidays and birthdays), you sometimes ask said deceased person for guidance and help and talk to them as if they were actually there in front of you, and then you leave gifts like flowers; or depending on the person's age and sex, stuffed animals, necklaces and the such. Now these things are left in honor or memory of these people though, not in thanks for doing something that you asked and such, but you get the picture.

The more you look at how some people mourn others that have passed on, and how some people deal with spirits and talk to them, they are extremely similiar in a good few respects. And how do you know that while your there at your Grandmother's grave that something else is not watching you and wanting to follow you home for whatever reason it deems necessary?

I never thought about that. It's an extremely good point. Just because they aren't going to a medium doesn't mean that they aren't talking directly to the spirit, which as you said, would infact be dabbling.

To add an quick question to that point, would it be easier for a mourning person to be followed home by a wrong spirit? Since they are usually in a state of emotional upheavel and not always in their right mind, wouldn't that make them more of a target for a negative spirit? Just a thought.

Exactly my point. You're sad or angry and confused, you're in distress and your aura (which some people claim and theorize is your first line of defense for psychic attacks which is how spirits attack you most of the time.) is weakened because of this and negative energies definatly latch on to that crap.

I wonder if this is why you see a lot of people who loose someone close (like a parent) and they have a string of bad luck, and they think their lives are going horribly since their loved one died. Maybe it's a negative spirit that's really attached and if people were more aware of this occurence, then they could protect and cleanse themself of this entity. Maybe their lives would turn out better.

It would be hard to figure out how to (for obvious reasons) but I would love to interview some grieving people to research this idea more......but I wouldn't even know how to approach a person about it. It would just seem wrong to pick and pry at a time like that.

Well you could ask them after the fact.

So you are saying that people that spend thier lives devoted to the occult and trying to communicate with spirits and such, especially pagans since some of my rituals and spells have stuff like that in them, are Dabblers? I have been a practicing pagan for about ten years, I am no dabbler.

Do NA medicine men not also talk to spirits as well? Isn't that part of thier practice? So no matter how much they know or how long they've been doing it, by your definition, they are dabblers as well?

The main point, as I see it here is that there is a difference between Spirits and Entities. Spirits are someone that at one point lived as a human. In the case of the NA Indians, other Medicine Men that have evolved into more at their death, for example. The Dark Entities that we have been talking about, in most cases never lived as a human, although they have been known to take possession of one to accomplish the task at hand, i.e Legion. My concern here is not so much the method of communication, is what exactly you are wanting to communicate with. I do not see where communication with a Dark Entity could bring anything but heartache. I know of people that do this for the "power boost" they receive as a result. But there again is such a boost worth the cost of accepting it?

At any rate, whether you do this on a daily basis or just occasionally for "kicks", it is dangerous business. I know it is an often used cliche' but here it is, "If you play with fire, you are gonna get burned". And, if you have little concern for your own safety, what about the safety ( not to mention peace of mind) of those closest to you. Dabbling is risky business at best. Things are too easy to spin out of control for me to now knowingly do something that may envoke, or entice a Dark Entity to take up residency with me. I have a hard enough time living with myself, at times

Blessed Be,

TruBeliever

Father William S. Bowdern, the chief exorcist that participated in the case involving the 13 year old Robbie of William Petter Blatty fame, said "Any seven year old can see the difference between a possession and a mental disorder". And I'm afraid it will be just that extreme when you actually do let the wrong thing into your lives. It is very much like most anything...when you see it you will know it. There will be no mistaking the carnage that begins to occur in your life. Infatuation....Invitation...Infestation....Possession....Death. Just like that my friends. By the time you realize the mistake, you are infested. It is too late. I see it like this. You don't want to turn down grandpa if he is trying to contact you. But there is a reason he is on one plain and you are on another. Contact between these realms is a mistake, or a malfunction in the grand design. And as mentioned before, grandpa may not be who he appears to be. But by then, it may well be too late for you.

The three knocks on the backdoor with nobody there reminded me of many vampyre accounts I have been told. Very freaky, regardless of the knocking entities origin. No footprints in the fresh snow? JN JN...trust your instincts girl.

I would not call those experienced with these arts dabblers, as they are well versed in the mechanics of their crafts. I would call them dare devils though. That term is most fitting, and for a reason. ~Jackal


In the context of this thread, I would name this famous Frazetta painting..."the Invited Surprize!"

Very well put. I am once again amazed at how eloquently you brought everything into focus. Such clarity is to be commended.

You don't want to turn down grandpa if he is trying to contact you.

That is why I believe this dark Entities feed on the bereaved and grief-stricken. The hole that the passing of a loved one leaves in our lives and heart, leaves us vulnerable in many ways, but I believe the root of the vulnerability stems from not thinking clearly. We all have an inherent desire for self preservation, no matter how great an adrenalin junky we tend to be. I believe in times of grief we want so much to connect, with the person that has moved on, that better judgement often goes out the window.

JN...trust your instincts girl.

Sometimes in these situations, our instincts are the only thing that will save ourselves alot of heartache or even our lives. The problem is, seeing clearly enough at the time to listen to them. When I feel that sick feeling, in the pit of my stomach, I have learned the hard way to listen to it.

Thanks to everyone that has again participated in this discussion. I have found it very educational.


Blessed Be,

TruBeliever

That is why I believe this dark Entities feed on the bereaved and grief-stricken. The hole that the passing of a loved one leaves in our lives and heart, leaves us vulnerable in many ways, but I believe the root of the vulnerability stems from not thinking clearly. We all have an inherent desire for self preservation, no matter how great an adrenalin junky we tend to be. I believe in times of grief we want so much to connect, with the person that has moved on, that better judgement often goes out the window.

JN...trust your instincts girl.


Thanks True Believer, I sure pay attention to all my instincts now. However sometimes in life, even with other humans, we get red flags, but we try to ignore them. I am the type of person that wants to see good in everyone, but have learned that not everyone is good. No matter how old we get or what we go thru, its sort of a lesson. If we continue to make the same mistakes, then it doesnt become a lesson but but more of a disaster. Since I was a child I have heard and talked to dead people, and read people in life and online. So having spirits around me has been a way of life. I never encountered anything remotely negative never mind, evil. (except another home I owned in the 80's) so moved. Other than that, life was easy, helping and comforting those in times of grief or need, is what I did, and was commonplace. A knocking or rapping, things moving here and there was not that unusual for me. I was so "open" that I didnt see this coming. I was devastated about my Aunt, and also lost my best friend to Cancer, so I "wanted" that knock on the door to be one of them, yet had that underlying feeling it wasnt, but I let my emotions and vulnerablity get me into trouble in a big way. I woke with someone stroking my hair, and thought it was my friend, and felt so comforted, so talked to her often. I then got ill and ended up in the hospital myself, and when I came home, that evil entered with a vengance. I was sick, tired and drained. I never ever let my guard down from my faith, till around that time, as I was too ill to even think straight. So they can lie dormant and enter when we are at a low point in our lives, then gain more power due to our fear, and tears, acknowledgement of them. The stroking of my hair became pulling of my hair, pushing me out of bed only to fall into the area where the incision was, and throwing me around like a rag doll, only to end up in ER 3 times. I still was unsure what in God's name was happening here, till the white noise started and it went downhill from there. These things affect every single aspect of our lives, our dreams, our sleep, our family, relationships and our health. I felt I was never alone, and with every move I made something was watching me, and TOO close for comfort. I felt I was living with a liar, a thief, and a madman, and in fact I was. I would actually wake up with burns on my legs and arms, like from a cigarette, and black eyes etc I still have not been able to tell many of the happenings or illusions, its too gross and painful. In any case, during the first exorcism of my home, I had to admit I dabbled with the occult. That offended me, because I never felt helping others was part of the occult, how could that be? I had a hard time accepting that, but had to repeat it, till I meant it. So for those who think they are protected, or smarter than the next person when it comes to the occult, are sadly mistaken. Anyone can fall prey to these dark monsters, at any time, but occult practices is a very good start, IF thats what they choose..JN

im going to get a couple people and do a ouija board...problem is i dont have any friends who would do something like that....ill have to make more friends then...but here is my ideology: Just because other people have had bad experiences does not mean it is the same for everyone (im not referring to just ouija boards but any kind of evil presence, posessions,etc.) if u think it's scary then it's not ur..."thing" to do.

That is exactly that mentality that will ultimately get you into trouble, but its your life so happy haunting.. JN

JN

I know exactly what you are going through. About 6 years ago I lost someone that I thought was my absolute reason for living. I watched as Diabetes and Dialysis ravaged their body and for the first time in my life I felt powerless. I have always been able to see the unseen, and help complete strangers with any number of heart wrenching tragedies. But this time I could do nothing but sit idly by and watch.

My life partner passed away, after being afflicted for 2 years. They passed 15 minutes after my birthday had ended, my birthday is 9/15 and the death occurred on the 16th. I went on auto pilot and made the funeral arrangements, when through the event and then this is where everything went to hell in a handbasket.

When I was able to breathe again and I came out of the sense of numbness, I felt such pain that I entered into a realm that I have, all my life, warned people not to go into. In a moment of anguish and complete and utter meltdown, I turned to people that I knew, under more sane circumstance, could bring me nothing but problems. I wanted so desperately to hear from my love, to hear that I had done all that was expected of me, that a portal was opened.

Nothing happened immediately, then gradually I began to notice little things. The smell of Gardenias, songs on the Radio, eerie voices that would make their way through the television. I should have known better than to attempt to communicate further, but I did anyway. I would shut myself off from my family for weeks on end. They would hear stories of me being seen in public, speaking to someone unseen. I was not aware of what was happening to me. I felt whole again, and I never wanted to lose that feeling.

Then, like in the case of so many others, the bottom fell out. The voices got loud and demanding. I would go through episodes in which Migraine type headaches would hit me with such intensity that I would get nose bleeds, and find myself too dizzy to even stand. The harder I tried to refrain from interacting, the more intense the pain would get.

This went on for almost a year. It wasn't until I got to what I feel was my lowest point, that I did the only thing I could think to do. I went to my, now Minister, explained what I had done and what was going on. I moved into his home, and through several months of prayer, soul searching and spiritual cleansing was I able to gain my life back.

It has been 5 years now. I know now that I did all I could do for my love. That no matter the amount of pain I felt, as result of their passing, nothing compared to the hell and torment that I put myself in, in a moment of desperation and grief. That situation is one that I never want to revisit. No matter how intense the grief seemed to be, it was nothing in comparison to what I opened myself up for. It was truly the darkest point in my life.

Blessed Be

TruBeliever