if anyone here has seen the article posted on this site about the actual possibility of ufo's, raise your hand.
ok thats 1... 2... 3,4

i did to, but the speculations about the alien crashes and sneaking around do not sit in firm ground, and neither does what im about to say
what if places like area 51 are really just pit stops for ufo's that break down? in return for the service of temporary refuge (and doing experiments on civilians), the government is given limited access to alien technology. as for the sneaking around the government could be giving aliens safe passage around the planet and sighting are merely (on the off chance) cloaking devices malfunctioning

This is another interesting point about UFO's. We have the technology to take DNA without any pain at all, and make a person forget anything without remembering any of it (even through hypnosis), yet, these aliens apparently use huge, painful needles, and their technology to wash out any memory of it can not withstand human hypnosis?



Some cases could very well be malfunctions, but in many cases, their intention seems to be "genuine". It seems unlikely that all sightings are due to failed cloaking-devices.

not all abductions are described with large painful needles (for more info try reading "the big book of the unexplained" its very insightful, lots of famous artist's )

as for the cloaking devices, hers a little question to get the ball rolling. what if alien cloaking devices are based on light? many sightings usually take place during the day in relatively bright places, and during night time sightings the people who see it dont give many large identifying details, only a large sorta flattened cigar shape of light

you are not too far from truth, I actually know a guy who is a dealer in head gaskets for UFOs. I can get you any kind you need, for all models, including cigars , saucers , triangles, you name it.

But most cases do have "amnesia", which they can recover easily from.



But these objects also show near-impossible manuevers, some which looks like breaking our understanding of physics. It would be strange if their whole craft seems to be operating pretty "normal" while their stealth malfunctions.

Also, if they are beings from other planets, travelling all this distance with this apparent supertechnology, it seems really odd that they all malfunction at our planet.

That isn't to say that your theory is wrong, of course.

If these aliens are suppose to be so advanced in their technology why would they ever need to have these big needles anyway. Do they use them on there own kind when they have to do surgery??? Wouldn't they have a scanner or some sort of x-ray machine to look into their bodies???

What's the easiest way to cut something? By laser or by a knife? A laser is a complicated machine, and a knife is simply a sharp piece of metal.

No matter how intelligent you are, the easiest way to brake a window is with a simple stone

If they simply wanted to scan, I'd assume they would do as you say, but if they need to cut something out or put something in,
then why not use the most simple method.
That is if they don't care , or even understand our pain, if they did perhaps they would use different tools, or at least give
anesthesia

And as for self treatment, well people keep saying how they don't care much about their bodies because when it gets
broken, then simply reincarnate into another body. What we see are probably their various "earth suits", bodies grown for all kinds of functions, in which they can simply slip in to do a job.
I don't think they exist as a species, as we understand it, but that grays are simply designed to be hosts for specific jobs

Just for the record, I take reports of aliens/needle-like devices.. seriously.

Im not saying youre theory is wrong either, but there certain things that need to be factored in, what about the electro-magnetic field around our planet? it could mess with the craft (maybe our planets gravity matters too)
As for the impossible manuevers, dont they usually shoot up into space? the seemingly erratic movements could be that their ships are gaining speed to leave the planet, their landings are usually smooth and straight and getting slower the closer they are to the ground

Its all about how you think about it

I just wanted to inject a quick comment here. I just can't envision a very advanced species capable of traveling interstellar space and then be downed by an electromagnetic field surrounding a planet (most planets have it).

Best,
Badeskov

took a peek into this thread, and an idea crossed my head.

Have you noticed that the self-called alien technology did not appear to have evolved ever since we started seeing it like ---> SIXTY YEAR AGO <----

Technology, unless your in stone age, does not stagnate. It keep on growing faster and faster.

For 60 years, Aliens have abducted People with big scary needle, mutilate cows, repeatedly crashed their own saucers. No progress, no evolution.

Got a question for you believers.


Are aLiens r******ed?

it's been a lot longer than 60 years.

Most UFO books and movies begin the same way "in 1947 Kenneth Arnold was flying when he saw......blah blah blah" while the UFO phenomenon was avidly reported and documented for nearly 200 years.

It's only been in the last 50 years or so the idea of Extra-terrestrials has popped up as the most widely accepted theory.

The Alien phenomenon has really been perpetuated by popular culture, if you want proof show an 8 year old a picture of a UFO and the first thing they will say is "ALIENS!!!!" and then maybe make silly gun noises with their mouths "PEOW PEOW BANG BANG BANG!!!!"....

An 8 year old has no concept of methodical research, UFO literature, or the details of sightings that have spanned across recorded human history.

I for the most part truly do agree with what you are saying, we have become too accepting of TV shows, sloppy research based on youtube video's and conspiracy theorists.....but there is no doubt in my mind that the UFO and UAP phenomenon is real based on the evidence presented. However, what I don't agree with is what 95% of people in the field accept as the definitve truth.

It is strange that UFO technology hasn't progressed in hundreds of years, it is strange that UFO reports vary so much and very rarely follow a pattern that would suggest intelligence, it is strange that these UFO's seem to operate primarily in dimly lit and unpopulated areas....

but we have evidence to support they exist...

I don't think we should stop looking, I just think we need to change what we are looking for.

There has always been the theory that certain sci-fi television programs were developed to help us accept alien lifeforms that might appear in the future. The one that springs to mind is the stargate series. Perhaps we accept these programs because that is what they were designed to accomplish.

As for cloaking technology, humans aren't very far away from developing ways of bending light around objects. All you have to do is search the web ffor several real examples of small scale cloaked objects. If we are already close to being able to make objects invisible, the odds are very good that alien life which is more advanced would have such technology.

It's always fun to speculate about places such are area 51. The truth will come in time, but I am afraid that we will probably be disappointed. Nothing can live up to our own imaginations ;-)

remember word of mouth and print, and on a smaller scale-radio , was all we had to get and share information. t.v. was just getting started- people started hearing more about ufo's because there was more information available (this includes t.v. shows and movies)- before then it was in books and legends and stories. not sure what to make of the different theories regarding the grays( though the lack of sex organs and belly button- make them a canidate for a genetically created being- IMO)
yes- the 60 years you speak of was a HUGE jump in human evolution and technology ( nano technology just blows my mind- wonder if we had a lil help there..) but we cant really say how long these greys have been doin their thing..if its been hundreds of thousands of years- this last 60 years might not hold much in the way of evolution on their part. kindof a relative thing.
this was the time we were also pretty new to the nuclear bomb scene. heard a theory that this brought up red flags from other life and thats why there was so many sightings in the 40s. (and that the blasts might have messed with the saucers controls/gravity field as well). ( not agreeing or disagreeing. but makes some sense to me).
whatever it is.. we'll learn soon enough -

looking up,
clem

Makes you wonder what they do for fun...

But maybe they do not abduct people at all? Maybe the experiments are performed where they are, because firstly abductees do not remember anything, and secondly they often use hypnosis to remember (which isn't always the "right thing to do", i.e. suggestions and such). For all we know, even recovered memories abductees have could be implanted (medical table, needles, "people" toutching us with instruments, machinery), only they distort themselves so that they look "reasonable" alien.

And for that matter, needles and "implants" could all just as well be decoys - maybe they are doing something to our genes?



True - but laser can also be a cleaner way of cutting something (although I don't think it really matters). But if they are aliens, surely their laser-technology have developed to a much more simpler design, not human-like complicated machines?



Or not break it at all....



Well, the only real pain the abductee suffers from would be nightmares and odd feelings, but I haven't heard of any case in where the person in question reports such pain that he or she must visit a hospital.



It certainly would be strange for a supposed "intelligent" alien race, in any case. For one, they would probably know more about the universe than we do, maybe even things we do not know about today. Also, the reason commercial aircraft hasn't stopped is because the number of cases of accidents, how violently sad and horrible they may be, is because the chance of accident is very small. Same with, for example, rockets. If they exploded even before launch, we wouldn't use them, because the chance of success would be small.

And this is only on our own planet. These aliens must somehow come to our planet, and the only reasonable way would be through some kind of worm-hole. The only other thing I can think of would be "lightspeed", but even that can take millions of years. Not to mention the kind of energy required to do all this.

What I am trying to say here is that they somehow can bend time and space, master the use and storage of energy, they somehow haven't figured out how to not crash on this specific planet, and for that matter, use primitive needles from WW1? And sure, I can imagine one, maybe two crashes, but hearing them coming in dozens just seems unlikely.



I somewhat agree. They are more of changing shape, but they do not really improve anything.



A good point - and for that matter, why all these tests?



If not a lot longer than that, and if not in different forms, if you are to believe for example the ghost-airships of the 1800's, and for that matter, the "space battle" over Germany in the 1500's.

My exact point, i'm glad you agree

Actually, I would have thought the opposite. I figure the stealth craft we have built, which seems to strangely enough fit in nicely with the time frame we started testing these craft and the wave of triangle craft sightings, and we use these craft for decades, however.....

If an alien visitor was here, it would take a heck of a long time to travel. A visit could be over centuries with travel, let alone poping home for spare parts. New tech would be developed on the way, possibly guided from the home planet. It would not be avaliable, so it would need to be developed and produced in transit. If you have something that can get you there and back, maybe no point in re-inventing the wheel until a return with empirical data? Considering this, a robotic mission seems the most likely first contact - something like the Discovery chanels "Alien Planet."

Triangular UFOs have been reported during the 1800's, long before the mankind's first heavier-than-air flight. During the 1800's, triangular UFOs were referred to as "deltoids."

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And this is only on our own planet. These aliens must somehow come to our planet, and the only reasonable way would be through some kind of worm-hole. The only other thing I can think of would be "lightspeed", but even that can take millions of years. Not to mention the kind of energy required to do all this.

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"lightspeed" is not possible, for one the amount of energy needed is insurmountable but any matter would be vaporized

suck that trekkies!

many abductee's had cases of radiation sickness, is it that hard to believe that ufo's have a nuclear power source?

well most things generate radiation. Heat is a form of radiation. Although some radiated particles can travel directly through most matter with the exception of lead.

For instance, even underground you are not impervious to the suns radiation, it's just that underground the degree of intensity changes because only the non lethal (in small doses) particles can penetrate through earth's surface.

UFO's therefore don't necessarily need to be Nuclear powered, it's possible that they create similar radiated particles as a bi product, the same as Nuclear Power.

To answer your question, it's not hard to believe at all. However radiation that causes the breakdown of cells (radiation sickness) can come from a number of sources that don't need to be Nuclear Related.