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HardworkingBoy
What does indigo child mean?

Well psiball users do not need to go near someone to cause damage. They could have done this in the dark why did they want to go near the bullies at all? I don't understand.
HardworkingBoy
You din reply?
HardworkingBoy
Ok but i am not trying to kill myself and the other people are not trying to kill themselves either so I can continue to believe right?
St Q
QUOTE (streak9381 @ Sep 23 2007, 11:07 PM) *
throughout the years, i've always had moments where i'll experience certain things, whether it's seeing/sensing spirits, having premonitions (they usually happen about two days before the event, sometimes less) &/or visions (which hurt like hell), & a large range of other psychic phenom. as the years go by, the occurances happen more & more.

unfortunately, ever since i moved away from my old neighborhood last year, they happen less than i'd like them to. anyone know why this would be, & how i can develop my abilities so they're stronger (for lack of a better term)?

You may have been sensitive to your environment and any subtle changes that took place there. Now that your environment has changed, the cues may be different or more difficult to read. If you want to get back into "the zone", you're gonna need a booster shot. You might try visiting friends, family and neighbors of your old stomping grounds, put yourself on a strict vegetarian diet, and practice yoga and deep meditation. If your abilities are still there, they should slowly surface. They may not be as strong as before, or they may change into new ones, so don't be discouraged. Remember: For those who don't have "home field advantage", they must try harder.
Jjbreen
QUOTE (Derac Smi @ Sep 23 2007, 09:13 PM) *
faith is the key that will open doors. Whatever path you choose ( be a psychic, a doctor, a medium, or a nuclear-physicist), faith will be one of your strongest key to be successful. Both believers and skeptics alike have strong faiths on to the things they hold sacred. A clean heart, a clear mind, and a strong body will improve your abilities exponentially, trust me. More power!


No, I will disagree on this one totally:

Yes Faith is important - but there are some doors even the "faith to move mountains" will not a door open. Some doors simply are never meant to be opened. No matter you pray, fast, meditate and expand your faith - some doors simply will not open.

Take Telekinesis. No matter how much faith one has had - there is not one recorded event that has been proven to be credible or verifiable. That one has been something that has mystified man for a lot of decades - even longer ... yes it's not been done ... Period. Maybe there is a reason even faith cannot open this door. I can think of a lot of good reasons why it shouldn't be open. One -- we are not ready to handle it, for one.

I can give you some good reasons why Telepathy shouldn't be opened either. I'm glad it's limited to twins and only twins.

Other abilities like "Psi Balls" - "Pyrokinesis" and so on .... for all of these fantasy powers .. there is a very good reason why they don't exist and never will for a good few 1,000 years yet to come.

Man kind cannot deal w/them in a moral and ethical way. That is the number one reason why this door will never be opened. Try as you may, the powers to be would and will never allow it. We cannot handle them morally or ethically - Period.
Mr Walker
QUOTE (AtheistGod @ Sep 29 2007, 02:17 PM) *
Any kind of of power whether it's seeing the future or communication via th mind etc do defy physics and it is clear that people here who do believe this stuff have no understanding of how energy laws work.

It is impossible to see into the future because it has not happened yet you simply can't see something that doesn't exist yet.


Neither of those statements is true. I am not an expert on physics, but I did complete year 12 (in Australia the year before entering university )physics, and have a good general knowledge of it. I know for example that according to the laws of thermodynamics, energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed in nature. However even human science is testing the boundaries of these limits with work in cyclotrons and "matter transmision" as examples. I think that most paranormal/supernatural events have a logical/scientific explanation. We just dont have the level of knowledge and comprehension of our universe and its laws to be able to see the explanation, let alone understand it.

As to time, your point is valid if time is completely linear, and there is no way to be able to view it from outside of a linear perspective. Neither of those scientific principles are beyond debate. If they are not absolutes then there may be ways for viewers to either move through time, or to exist and perceive, not sequentially, but universally, any event at any "point" in space and time.

The second statement is not true because people, including myself, have seen or heard quite specific details of their futures. It does raise complex ideas of paradox and "parallel time lines" or even the possibility of a multiverse. On one occasion my "dream" was an exact replication of a news cast which did not happen for a further 24 hours and for which the actual events were still 12 hours into the future. I told a number of people the details of this dream and it came true precisely the same as a newcast event on the next days evening news.

Most of my other warnings came in a form which allowed me to see the events unfolding and then alter the outcomes. So, while one experience suggests future events may have a certain predictability, the others suggest that the future is not fixed, but has differing degrees of probability, which can be altered by actions taken between "now" and that future event.
I must admit that as a reader of science fact and science fiction for over 50 years, my mind may be more open than most to alternate possibilities, but these are not hallucinations or even coincidences, and most have independent witness verification. Ie I told someone what i had seen or heard before the event occured, and they can verify that it happened as i saw, or that it would have happened that way if I had not acted to prevent what I saw happening

Such events are probably only conclusive evidence to me and those with me at the time, but I am now cognisant of the likelihood that when other people talk of similar experiences, they are also quite likely telling the truth. If this is so, then there is quite a considerable body of evidence that paranormal/supernatural events are, if not everyday, then much more universal than is popularly accepted.

I will give you one more quick true example of an inexplicable event from my middle teenage years. A mate and i were testing our"psychic" abilities. He shuffled a deck of cards and started concentrating on them. I could not see any of the cards.I named every one of the first twenty cards to come out, as he studied them. He was starting to freak out, but i began trying something new.

I was getting a picture of the cards before he turned them over, so I started to predict the sequence of cards. I continued to get everyone correct, but after about 10 more cards he refused to go on. He was honestly petrified. This was one of a number of occasions in adolescence when I learned that even a fairly modest ability could be dangerous to friendships and relationships; and for much of my adult years I avoided experimentation, even though sometimes different things just happened without any intent on my part.

The only acceptable scientific explanation for this is coincidence, but while I have never tried to work out the statistical probability of calling 30 cards correctly in a row, i would think it was about the same as winning the lottery. To have it happen coincidentally when were actually focusssing on achieving this outcome would decrease the probability even further.

Actually, I do know enough about exponential maths (I also completed a double maths in year 12) to be able to work out the probability,and it is far far less likely than the odds of winning the lotto.
eight bits
Hi, Mr. Walker. Good post. It would be helpful to post the actual numbers for the card feat.

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I have never tried to work out the statistical probability of calling 30 cards correctly in a row... Actually, I do know enough about exponential maths (I also completed a double maths in year 12) to be able to work out the probability,and it is far far less likely than the odds of winning the lotto.


Well, either way...

You have 1/52 for the first card. I understand you to have received feedback, so there are 51 cards left, and you know them, so the second card is 1/51. Feedback again, and so 1/50 on the third card, etc.

For thirty cards: 1/52 * 1/51 * ... * 1/23. In brief notation, 22!/52! ("!" being read as factorial). That is, 1 divided by 7.18 times 10^46, or 1.39 times 10^-47.

(Strictly speaking, that is the figure if the experiment had been to name the first 30 cards. There does not appear to have been any fixed "stopping rule" in your experiment. Oh well, this is plenty close enough for casual discussion purposes original.gif )

Since you mention lotteries:

Hereabouts, the big pay-off lotteries (such as Powerball) are more like 1 in 150 million, or 7 times 10^-9.

So, the chances of naming the first 30 cards in a deck is in the neighborhood of winning such a lottery 5 times in a row, with room to spare.

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The only acceptable scientific explanation for this is coincidence


Mmm... two teenagers, face to face, amateur shuffle of the deck, some informality in the reporting of the results, ... There may be one or two other possible and acceptable scientific explanations, with respect.

But, this is well worth discussing all the same. As I said, good post.
HardworkingBoy
Why is nobody responding to my posts? are they that stupid?
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (HardworkingBoy @ Oct 26 2007, 05:29 AM) *
Why is nobody responding to my posts? are they that stupid?

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Jjbreen
QUOTE (HardworkingBoy @ Oct 25 2007, 08:55 PM) *
So it would kill you to ignore them? Always trying to shoot down other's claim? Why don't you let them dream for a while more? One they we will all die and they won't be here to stop you preaching about skeptism.


Ignore means feeding ignorance. I do not feed and support ignorance. That has been proven to be almost a plague here on UM w/various Psionic/jedi/anime/x-men powers.

The fact is - there is simply NO credible and/or verifiable evidence of these. It's no small issue that these are always first person "hear-say" and they can NEVER reproduce their 'personal claims'. It's always and only when they are alone, do these 'super powers' work. Funny how that is.

Even you have asked: "What is thermodynamics" - which told me a lot. That someone could easily fool/trick you into believing the Pin (Psi) Wheel as being "telekinesis" when it's not. <-- Good example of what I'm talking about.

A lot, and I do mean a lot of people mistake science and physics as "Psychic" powers - just like I've seen too many people on here fool/trick people into believing they have "Psychic Powers" as "seers" and such --- when actually they are using Psychology and Understanding and passing them off as "Psychic".

People sad but true are easily fooled/tricked - they seem to ignore common sense, a little logic, a little analytical thinking.

Education of science, physics and common sense is important in this field of focus so as to NOT be easily fooled and tricked. That is what some of us Skeptics are all about ... E D U C A T I O N .....
Jjbreen
QUOTE (HardworkingBoy @ Oct 25 2007, 09:27 PM) *
What does indigo child mean?


It is a "New Age" excuse for children to be spoild rotten little brats under the lie of being "spiritually enlightened". Nothing more and a whole lot less.

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Well psiball users do not need to go near someone to cause damage. They could have done this in the dark why did they want to go near the bullies at all? I don't understand.


There are no such things as "psi balls" or other "psi contructs" - this again is a great example of people being fooled and tricked. They don't bother to check out what body physiology is all about. For one good reason - then they would look stupid.

People in this do not want to admit they have been fooled or tricked. Which is kind of sad ...
Mr Walker
Thanks eight bits for your calculations. I think I had worked out roughly that with our powerball coming from a second pool of numbers, the odds reached about 450 million to one and probably around your numbers for a normal big lotto, but it was a mental calculation so I might have been a little off. As you pointed out, the odds on predicting 30 cards sequentially had to be a lot bigger. I accept your point about the lack of control. But as I was the one doing the reading, I know I was not "cheating" in any way I was conscious of, and my mate was so freaked out that I doubt he was rigging the deck, even if that ws possible. Certainly the "amateur" shufffle we gave the cards may have increased the probability of calling a few sequential runs, but to get such a long run all correct is still a very high improbability. Another complicating factor is that this happened 40 years ago, and while it always stuck in my memory, that is a long time to retain complete acuracy of recall.


PS. just noticed last night that the lotteries commision advertise the odds of winning the major prize in a standard lotto as about 8.5 million to one (but when you buy a ticket you get more than one game, so its not clear if they take that into account)
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