There is no doubt and to your credit you have found a photo containing anomalous features. But all one can do with such images is to speculate and not able to satisfy the craving for finality. A while back you may remember I posted a photo of Delisle crater, nice sharp photo in the NASA book I copied it from with my digicam. In the photo a tool is visible, a giant Russian-type scythe, curved blade and handle and even a "glint" of metal. But common sense and logic dictate that there really is no giant "scythe" on Delisle. It is not that clear on other photos and forget about seeing online, the web resolution fails. A poster size photo will probably not show it at all. But in that one photo, you'd swear there is something there. Ditto with your photo. If there were more similar looking debris, not just one piece, 'cause the square rocks cannot be counted since nature forms square rocks (I just glanced at my TV and they were showing a canyon in a southwest scene, uninhabited, and on the edge of a cliff there were square rocks!) then the photo might have never been released!

maybe because too many people will NOT accept ANYTHING that goes against what they 'know'
and we cannot have a truth/fair- debate because we do not have all the data - there's a lot of space photos we arent 'allowed' to see and blacked out ufo reports .
but there is nothing i can say that would prove anything to you - some peeps are content believing this puny lil existance is it- i mean no offence , - i would not .
again no offence- but im curious,- Do you think earth has been visited by life other than our own? im not trying to bait you or anything for some witty comeback; i sincerely want to know.

Good question and it's my pleasure to offer my opinion. Here's the way I see it. I do not accept reports of aliens on earth or of abductions. The popular grey aliens with those eyes is a media creation. Now, here's the kicker. Earth is being "visited" by non-earthly-humans. But as far as I'm concerned, no one has seen them and they may still have not set foot on the planet. Why my ambivalence? Because we have UFOs. Non-human "craft" if that's what they are. There does not necessarily have to be occupants and they could just be RCVs. However, like our own RCVs, there is a pilot somewhere. With human RCVs, the pilots are somewhere on earth looking at computer screens while operating the RCV with a "joystick." This is what we are shown. With UFOs, if they're remotely operated, we don't know where their "pilots" are, whether on Earth, in near or far space, or even in another dimension. I am confident that no one has the answer, whether whole or partly.

And neither you, nor anyone else can say that there is no life outside of this planet. See? Its a paradox where we bound until the answer presents before humanity. If we endure through time and if life exist out there, one day we will know.

Of course people won't accept what goes against what they know. I know the moon has rocks on it. If someone suggests that these are somehow proof of an ancient civilisation, I won't agree.

And yes, we do have all the data actually. We know they're rocks. They've been brought back from Mars and the moon. Just because something looks like an everyday human object, doesn't automatically mean that this is a viable theory. I mean, there was one website trying to prove they'd found a rabbit on Mars.

A rabbit.

You truly need to take your own advice and look at things in a different angle! We have all the data about the moon? Yeah sure we do, we know everything there is to know about it. We do not even know everything about the planet we have been on for thousands of years. We discover new species of life all the time. We do not even know whats at the bottom of our very own ocean. Now I ask you is it possible that with all the exploration of the moon, that we might have missed something? I mean I know we explored about 1% of the moon, so is it possible there may be something in the other 99% we have not seen or found yet?

We know nothing 100% for sure remember that.

I didn't mean we had all the data there was to get. I meant we have enough data to know without a shadow of a doubt that the objects in those pictures are rocks, nothing more.

what kind of rabbit?

I won't say I disagree that there is a huge possibility that a highly advanced alien civilization is observing us, however bases on the moon just seem way to unrealistic. If they can travel here from other stars and galaxies they certainly don't need to establish bases that close.

Why have a base close to Earth when you can just travel back and fourth etc.

Nothing in any of the lunar pictures looks alien and i think people want to believe there are alien bases on the moon so much they are seeing things in pictures that simply don't exist. I am sorry but I need more then just some pictures of randomly shaped rocks to convince me people.

No, it's not a paradox. A pair of ducks, maybe. If you are making a claim that there is life outside of this planet then please present your evidence for scrutiny. If you have no evidence, then don't make claims. You are a believer and that's your right. But that right doesn't include making unfounded claims.

How about a Nixon? Yes, Nixon was on the Moon and alien sculptors decided to give us a surprise when our astronauts walked among other "artworks" left behind when they vacated the Moon. Don't believe me? Look at the photo.

And as bonus I include another photo and a closeup of lens flare which some here think it's more than that.

It is not necessary to walk on the lunar surface to know more about it than was gathered by the astronauts in a small area. Just go to http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunar_orbiter/ (LUNAR ORBITER PHOTOGRAPHIC ATLAS OF THE MOON) and look at the complete surface of the moon, near and far side. If you see anything that needs further exploration, let us know we'll send Jim Oberg to take a closer look! However, as you view the online digital images keep in mind that it is not at full resolution as found in the hard cover of the same name, which I own. I've scrutinized every page with magnifying glasses and there's nothing there to talk about.

What's wrong with your views is that there is plenty of evidence of UFOs flying near and above the surface of the Moon. NASA has filmed them, astronomers have filmed/video's them. One of the best NASA films shows a UFO below the astronaut's craft flitting over the surface and when it approaches a crater you can see various lights going on and off as if they were acknowledging signals. Unfortunately, there isn't enough detail to show me the location so that I can look it up in my ATLAS. We haven't found them but it does look like there are alien bases on the moon, but not as claimed by George Leonard, Fred Steckling and others using NASA photos.

Soooooooo because you have looks at some pictures of the surface of the moon from hundreds of miles away, you know everything you need to know about it? I am not saying I believe that there may be something more to the moon, but there can be more than meets the eye.

Just ask the transformers....

you shouldn't have gone there enigma what a terrible pun

unless they did analysis or touched or took EVERY rock on the moon you do NOT have all the data. we know the rocks we tested were rocks, sure..( at least thats what they tell us).
im pretty sure they have not grabbed a rock from mars (analyzed and sent data back )- sorry
and i know the rabbit picture- but you cant say it isnt one either- after all there are rabbits here somehow (not that they came from mars- but that they exist in general). i do not believe its a rabbit either.. but i have never been to mars so i couldnt tell you if it is/isnt.
remember - this would be a different discussion if we had more than just the info/data we're allowed to see.
is it so hard to believe that we can send a robot to mars and control it from earth (pretty amazing feat) - but another race or an earlier age of man never made ita lil bit farther and built something on the moon.- WE are talking about building stuff on the moon- so the idea isnt exactly unique.
clem

other than some wierd snow marks- i see no signs of life in iceland
not tryin to mock- just saying how hard it is to tell unless you're pretty close
clemClick to view attachment

if we knew beyond a shadow of a doubt we woudnt be having this debate

And the moon has been mapped and imaged in much more detail than the picture you showed, down to the detailed level where you would see traces of habitation if any such were there. Waspie and others can give much more details on that, I am sure.

Best,
Badeskov

i don't think the dark side has been fully mapped?

Get yourself a copy of NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC, February 1969. You might be fortunate to find a copy with the SPECIAL WALL MAP SUPPLEMENT: THE EARTH'S MOON. Once you get the magazine, turn to page 240. There you'll see an article titled "How We Mapped the Moon" by David W. Cook. Here is the opening paragraphs:

"Thanks to the full photographic coverage flashed back to earth by United States Lunar Orbiter spacecraft, the National Geographic Society this month presents to its 6-1/2 million members a unique wall map, The Earth's Moon.

This special supplement to the February GEOGRAPHIC shows the moon in two hemispheres - not only the familiar face constantly turned toward our planet, but also the largely hidden far side, heretofore a synonym fo all that is mysterious, remote, and unknowable."

I make no claims my friend. You are the one here affirming that there is no life. I said that we cannot say that there is life out there. But can you say that there is not? Sorry, but I don't think so.

I say: If there is life out there, and we last longer enough so this life can travel through space and visit us, we one day will know, no matter if government will try to hide or not. If no life exist out there, then, sigh... God made a really waste of space.

What about whats beneath the moon? So, you can tell that these photos are side by side matches to each other and that there is nothing hidden? All we know from photos are landscape, color, signs of physical history and anything imagined just by looking at it. We cannot see the entire landscape side by side. We cannot study for ourselves the composition of the soil. We cannot know what is in the moon. We, afterall, only theorize what is in our own planet and how it works. There is much that we do not know other than just a look and an educated guess.



NASA has been covering things up. You know they have been covering things up. You know that they don't give conclusive comments about about their "ufo" videos. Perhaps some of the civilians working there feel that it is right to show the evidence. Though a civilian establishment, they follow strict military regulations. All their communications and feeds are watched by the military. How far are you willing to bet that the military really doesn't keep track of "ufo phenomenon" and that they couldn't care less about what NASA makes pictures of or what videos they publicize? Do you believe that the many "space debris" video have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that there are no circular objects 2 miles long that are orbiting the moon or have crashed on it.

Not too long ago, NASA released a video of a 12 mile tether that had broken of one of their spaceships. As you see it floating out, strange circular objects are seen swarming or flying across it. You can see some of them get close enough to be measured with the tether. One counted 3 miles long. It had a Blinking top/underside. This video was on Fox news and was alleged a NASA video. So that is your source.

The fact is that U.S military and perhaps other military are keeping a close eye on ufos and keeping the lid on it. Why wouldn't they? Hypothetical question. If the U.S never knew about aliens and we were in the first stages of space exploration and they spot the strange objects, how would they respond? Our military is there for our protection... Well at least that is what their main function is right? We all know that the military have their own rules when it comes to their own people. Whos agenda and thumb is the military under? To those of you who will not dig under the surface. I'll tell you. Not one person you meet tells you the whole truth. How many people you know keep things from you? Maybe your cousin does something weird on his own time. Lets factor the human tendancy in with our military.

You know the survivals math when it comes to numbers of death right? Let 100 die if it means saving 1000. Lots of morally gray areas. Why do we need black ops? Just to ninja strike enemies? The elite few. What do spies and spooks do. Has our government/military always been angels and have done the RIGHT and MORALY righteous thing? At moraly gray, right and wrong meld. That could mean also, wrong and seriously wrong. Chose the less wrong and miss out on some vital information or tactic. Ok, so you know that the government are carebears and that our military aren't holy knights off to right the wrongs and defend our justice. While this is a moto many in the main service follow, you can see very well that in the end, the military is more in-depth on all those areas than you can know atm.

So yes, the gov./Mil might be involved in cover ups. Why? Prevent panic or some ulterior motive? Something for the greater good? Better tech? Not long ago a radio station broadcasting a book about aliens caused massive panic when everyone thought that they were being invaded. Perhaps they fear a widespread panic? Panic can take over your mind and cause you to do irrational things. It can also cause rashes and other medical issues. If you think you are in immediate danger and from the unknown, that can be dangerous.

So, I don't think that they would allow official photos to contain anything out of the ordinary. After all, they haven't disclosed anything if there are things to disclose.

But are there really aliens to actually cover up?

Maurice Chatelain, former chief of NASA com. Otto Binder, former NASA employee. Niel Armstrong. SOURCES

It was confirmed by at least 3 different sources that Niel Armstrong did report UFOs following and sending signals. The other astronauts as well. Maurice Chatelain was one of the sources that confirmed this transmission from Niel Armstrong.

Gordon Cooper testified to the U.N about the UFOs. The Russians also confirmed and saw it for themselves. This however never made it to out media because their signal was blocked. Most of the astronauts signals were blocked.

Armstrong confirms that the CIA are behind the cover up.

Otto Binder, Maurice Chatelain and Dr. Garry Henderson have given statements that the astronaugts are under strict military orders not to discuss their sightings.

I am not giving any absolute statements in regards to this being true or false but the skeptics here seem to make blanket statements left and right and trusting the same official handouts that they might argue against for driving the country into the ground.

I don't know for sure of one thing until it is proven. So I look at all evidences. In considering the sources, I consider the sources to ALL rather than the first few. If I consider the source of a UFO website then follow it to another one that defames and debunks the prior source, I will follow the source of the latter until I find that he doesn't exist or the sources come from some guy at home on his computer debunking on his off-time. I would also find "clean" random sources of debunks here and there.

I am a firm believer in structures on the moon.
But, we really need to go back there and study the moon in much more detail than has been done.

But where is the evidence?

An interesting article:


Warning.
Another unattributed report has Armstrong telling an unnamed friend in military intelligence: 'We were warned off. There was never any intention of a space station or a moon city'!

Additional input into the cessation of lunar exploration was published in the Canadian newspaper Midnight. In February 1977 the paper published an article with photos it claimed showed signs of alien excavation. According to the article: "Alien beings have been discovered on the moon say American scientists. We have learned that their machines and workings can be seen in official photographs from NASA.

The article additionally claimed an American astronomer had broken through reams of official secrecy to discover the real truth behind the lunar landings. To quote the article: " it was to avoid a confrontation with the Beings that the US government suspended its moon exploration programme. Astronomer George H Leonard of Rockville says he was told by a space scientist that 'top people' around the world have been briefed about the aliens'!

In the book UFO Magic in Motion, author Arthur Shuttlewood commented on Leonard's claims in the following terms: " He (Leonard) believes NASA turned its attention to Mars and Venus from the moon survey, to see if anything could be discovered about the aliens origins. Forthrightly he said: 'NASA is simply lying to the American people about UFO's'. According to Leonard: "A lot of people at the top are scared. One set of pictures, in one area alone, was enough to bring about secret briefings of top people around the world"!

Originally posted by Crystal Sage:
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...p;#entry1877841

another:

Subject: Apollo Moon Conversations Show NASA Coverup


The following are excerpts of conversations from Apollo Astronauts on the Moon to Mission Control - which show that the Astronauts came across some strange and hard-to-explain structures and unusual sightings of unidentified craft - while on the surface of the Moon.

These unusual findings, when added together with the anomalies which Richard Hoagland has shown to exist on Apollo Moon photographs, provide compelling evidence for an ongoing NASA coverup of what the Apollo Astronauts really discovered on the Moon from 1969 to 1972.

The following Apollo Astronaut conversations were mostly taken from the out-of-print book "Our Mysterious Spaceship Moon" by Don Wilson (Dell, 1975):







1) Apollo 16 Mission: April 16 - 27, 1972;
Charles Duke, Thomas Mattingly and John Young land in the Descartes highlands:

Duke: These devices are unbelievable. I'm not taking a gnomon up there.

Young: O.K., but man, that's going to be a steep bridge to climb.

Duke: You got - YOWEE! Man - John, I tell you this is some sight here. Tony, the blocks in Buster are covered - the bottom is covered with blocks, five meters across. Besides the blocks seem to be in a preferred orientation, northeast to southwest. They go all the way up the wall on those two sides and on the other side you can only barely see the out-cropping at about 5 percent. Ninety percent of the bottom is covered with blocks that are 50 centimeters and larger.

Capcom: Good show. Sounds like a secondary ...

Duke: Right out here ... the blue one that I described from the lunar module window is colored because it is glass coated, but underneath the glass it is crystalline ... the same texture as the Genesis Rock ... Dead on my mark.

Young: Mark. It's open.

Duke: I can't believe it!

Young: And I put that beauty in dry!

Capcom: Dover. Dover. We'll start EVA-2 immediately.

Duke: You'd better send a couple more guys up here. They'll have to try (garble).

Capcom: Sounds familiar.

Duke: Boy, I tell you, these EMUs and PLSSs are really super- fantastic!

It is obvious that the astronauts are talking in code - meant to disguise what they are referring to. The big question is why the excited cries? Can this be *merely* due to the collecting of Moon rocks, as they would have us believe? Or did they find something much more substantial, which was not meant for public knowledge?







2) Apollo 16: Describing Domes and Tunnels on the Moon:

Duke: We felt it under our feet. It's a soft spot. Firmer. Where we stand, I tell you one thing. If this place had air, it'd sure be beautiful. It's beautiful with or without air. The scenery up on top of Stone Mountain, you'd have to be there to see this to believe it - those domes are incredible!

Mission Control: O.K., could you take a look at that smokey area there and see what you can see on the face?

Duke: Beyond the domes, the structure goes almost into the ravine that I described and one goes to the top. In the northeast wall of the ravine you can't see the delineation. To the northeast there are tunnels, to the north they are dipping east to about 30 degrees.

3) Apollo 17: Eugene Cernan, Ronald Evans, and Harrison Schmidt; Landed in the Taurus-Littrow Valley; Dec 7 - 19, 1972.

Check out the following weird conversation that took place:

Mission Control: Go ahead, Ron

Evans: O.K., Robert, I guess the big thing I want to report from the back side is that I took another look at the - the - cloverleaf in Aitken with the binocs. And that southern dome (garble) to the east.

Mission Control: We copy that, Ron. Is there any difference in the color of the dome and the Mare Aitken there?

Evans: Yes there is... That Condor, Condorsey, or Condorecet or whatever you want to call it there. Condorecet Hotel is the one that has got the diamond-shaped fill down in the uh - floor.

Mission Control: Robert. Understand. Condorcet Hotel.

Evans: Condor. Condorset. Alpha. They've either caught a landslide on it or it's got a - and it doesn't look like (garble) in the other side of the wall in the northwest side.

Mission Control: O.K., we copy that Northwest wall of Condorcet A.

Evans: The area is oval or elliptical in shape. Of course, the ellipse is toward the top.

Again we have another example of code being used to disguise what has been found. For example, "Condorset Hotel". Why the codes, if there are no secrets being discussed. Why not explain to the American people openly what is going on? After all, they have paid for the mission.

Wilson says in his book (p. 139): "Although NASA has always held that the findings of lunar and space expeditions have never been held secret, it is interesting to note that Dr. Farouk El Baz, one of NASA's foremost scientists, does admit 'not every discovery has been announced'."







4). Another strange Apollo 16 "ground-to-air" conversation:

Capcom: What about the albedo change in the subsurface soil? Of course you saw it first at Flagg and were probably more excited about it there. Was there any difference in it there - and Buster and Alsep and LM?

Duke: No. Around the Alsep it was just in spots. At Plum it seemed to be everywhere. My predominant impression was that the white albedo was (garble) than the fine cover on top.

Capcom: O.K. Just a question for you, John. When you got halfway, or even thought it was halfway, we understand you looped around south, is that right?

Young: That is affirm. We came upon - Barbara.

Wilson writes (p.140): "Joseph H. Goodavage, whom included this conversation in a Saga magazine article, comments: "Barbara? That really needs some explanation, so I made an appointment with NASA geologist Farouk El Baz at National Aeronautics and Space Museum. Here's how part of our conversation went:

Saga: What do you suppose Young meant when he said they came upon "Barbara"?

El Baz: I can't really say. Code perhaps ...

Saga: But Barbara is an odd name for something on the Moon, isn't it?

El Baz: Yes, an enigma. As I suggested, perhaps a code, but I don't really know."

5) Apollo 17 conversation: They find something startling, and are ordered to immediately switch to code:

DMP (lunar module pilot): What are you learning?

Capcom: Hot spots on the Moon, Jack?

DMP: Where are your big anomalies? Can you summarize them quickly?

Capcom: Jack, we'll get that for you on the next pass.

CMP (command module pilot): Hey, I can see a bright spot down there on the landing site where they might have blown off some of that halo stuff.

Capcom: Roger. Interesting. Very - go to KILO. KILO.

CMP: Hey, it's gray now and the number one extends.

Capcom: Roger. We got it. And we copy that it's all on the way down there. Go to KILO. KILO on that.

CMP: Mode is going to HM. Recorder if off. Lose a little communication there, huh? Okay, there's bravo. Bravo, select OMNI. Hey, you know you'll never believe it. I'm right over the edge of Orientale. I just looked down and saw the light flash again.

Capcom: Roger. Understand.

CMP: Right at the end of the rille.

Capcom: Any chances of - ?

CMP: That's on the east of Orientale. Capcom: You don't suppose it could be Vostok? (a Russian probe).

Wilson writes (p. 141): "The Vostok flights took place in the early sixties and were *strictly Earth orbiters*. They never reached the Moon!"







6) Apollo 16: Another strange conversation:

Wilson writes (p. 141): "While on the Moon, did any of our astronauts see any indication of alien handiwork, such as strange constructions, disturbances or the like? Consider this strange Apollo 16 conversation:"

Orion: Orion has landed. I can't see how fat the (garble) ... this is a blocked field we're in from the south ray - tremendous difference in the albedo. I just get the feeling that these rocks may have come from somewhere else. Everywhere we saw the ground, which is about the whole sunlit side, you had the same delineation the Apollo 15 photography showed on Hadley, Delta and Radley Mountains ...

Capcom: O.K. Go ahead.

Orion: I'm looking out here at Stone Mountain and it's got - it looks like somebody has been out there plowing across the side of it. The beaches - the benches - look like one sort of terrace after another, right up the side. They sort of follow the contour of it right around.

Capcom: Any difference in the terraces?

Orion: No, Tony. Not that I could tell form here. These terraces could be raised but of (garble) or something like that ...

Casper: (Mattingly in lunar orbit overhead): Another strange sight over here. It looks - a flashing light - I think it's Annbell. Another crater here looks as though it's flooded except that this same material seems to run up on the outside. You can see a definite patch of this stuff that's run down inside. And that material lays or has been structured on top of it, but it lays on top of things that are outside and higher. It's a very strange operation.

Wilson writes (p.142): "And we might add that this is a very strange conversation. What are the real meanings of such terms used here as structure, blocked field, beaches, benches, terraces and the like? NASA claims that they are just metaphoric terms to describe unusual natural formations."







7) Strange Apollo 17 conversation about "Watermarks" on the Moon:

Capcom: Roger, America, we're tracking you on the map here, watching it.

LMP: O.K. Al Buruni has got variations on its floor. Variations in the lights and its albedo. It almost looks like a pattern as if the water were flowing up on a beach. Not in great areas, but in small areas around the southern side, and the part that looks like the water-washing pattern is a much lighter albedo, although I cannot see any real source of it. The texture, however, looks the same.

Capcom: America, Houston. We'd like you to hold off switching to OMNI Charlie until we can cue you on that.

CMP: Wilco.

LMP: Was there any indication on the seismometers on the impact about the time I saw a bright flash on the surface?

Capcom: Stand by. We'll check on that, Jack.

LMP: A UFO perhaps, don't worry about it. I thought somebody was looking at it. It could have been one of the other flashes of light.

Capcom: Roger. We copies the time and ...

LMP: I have the place marked.

Capcom: Pass it on to the back room. LMP: O.K. I've marked it on the map, too.

Capcom: Jack, just some words from the back room for you. There may have been an impact at the time you called, but the Moon is still ringing from the impact of the S-IVB impact. So it would mask any other impact. So they may be able to strip it out at another time, but right now they don't see anything at the time you called.

LMP: Just my luck. Just looking at the southern edge of Grimaldi, Bob, and - that Graben is pre-Mare. Pre-Mare!

Capcom: O.K., I copy on that, Jack. And as long as we're talking about Grimaldi we'd like to have you brief Ron exactly on the location of that flashing light you saw ... We'll probably ask him to take a picture of it. Maybe during one of his solo periods. Notice that the Capcom reiterates that it was a *flashing* light. It was therefore *no* meteor impact that they were witnessing. Notice also that the Lunar Command Pilot specifically mentions the word "UFO".

Wilson writes (p. 60): "This last conversation makes it obvious that both our astronauts and NASA do not take these sightings of light or UFOs lightly. Maps were marked and photographs were taken at the sites of these occurrences."







8) Apollo 17: "Watermark" conversation continued:

While the Apollo 17 astronauts were discussing the "Watermarks", the sighting of the UFO occurred. The conversation them returns to the Watermarks.

DMP: O.K. 96:03. Now we're getting some clear - looks like pretty clear high watermarks on this -

CMP: There's high watermarks all over the place there.

LMP: On the north part of Tranquillitatis. That's Maraldi there, isn't it? Are you sure we're 13 miles up?

Capcom: You're 14 to be exact, Ron.

LMP: I tell you there's some mare, ride or scarps that are very, very sinuous - just passing one. They not only cross the low planar areas but go right up the side of a crater in one place and a hill in another. It looks very much like a constructional ridge - a mare-like ridge that is clearly *as constructional as I would want to see it*."

9) Apollo 15: David Scott, Alfred Worden, James Irwin; went to the Appenine Mountains of the Moon, July 26 - Aug. 7, 1971. Conversation about discovering strange "tracks":

Scott: Arrowhead really runs east to west.

Mission Control: Roger, we copy.

Irwin: Tracks here as we go down slope.

MC: Just follow the tracks, huh?

Irwin: Right we're (garble). We know that's a fairly good run. We're bearing 320, hitting range for 413 ... I can't get over those lineations, that layering on Mt. Hadley.

Scott: I can't either. That's really spectacular.

Irwin: They sure look beautiful.

Scott: Talk about organization!

Irwin: That's the most *organized structure I've ever seen*!

Scott: It's (garble) so uniform in width.

Irwin: Nothing we've seen before this has shown such uniform thickness from the top of the tracks to the bottom.

Wilson writes: (p. 145): "What are these tracks? Who made them? Where did they come from? Does NASA have an answer for the people?"







10) Another weird conversation about tracks. Made by Harrison Schmitt, a trained geologist and the only civilian ever to walk on the Moon (all the rest were military men, or as Hoagland would say - "good soldiers", who did what they were told).

Schmidtt: I see tracks - running right up the wall of the crater.

Mission Control (Gene Cernan): Your photopath runs directly between Pierce and Pease. Pierce Brava, go to Bravo, Whiskey, Whiskey, Romeo.

Wilson writes (p. 145): "If this is not code, what is it? And why switch to the use of strange meaningless "code" words if NASA was not trying to cover up something startling, something that needed to be hidden from the public? In fact, science writer Joseph Goodavage maintains that "whenever something was discovered, the astronauts and CAPCOM apparently switched to a prearranged code, sometimes even on an alternate publicly unmonitorable channel.

NASA scientist Farouk El Baz admitted in a magazine interview that NASA did commit itself to a secretive search for various things on the Moon. 'We're looking for something - something ...' He admitted that 'a huge bridge-like structure in Mare Crisium has been reported ... That is all I can say about it.' When asked if 'that was a bridge - that you've actually found artificial structures or some kind of intelligently placed artifact?' El Baz quickly denied it.

'No. No. I am not admitting such a thing. But when you start to think about it, almost anything is possible. There are almost no limits [to] how you can interpret the many things astronomers have been observing and reporting for several centuries. Now the astronauts are seeing many anomalies close up'."

11) Apollo 15: Astronaut sees white objects flying by:

Capcom: You talked about something mysterious ...

Orion: O.K., Gordy, when we pitched around, I'd like to tell you about something we saw around the LM (LEM or Lunar Excursion Module). When we were coming about 30 or 40 feet out, there were a lot of objects - white things - flying by. It looked as if they were being propelled or ejected, but I'm not convinced of that. Capcom: We copy that Charlie.

Wilson writes (p. 54): "What could these mysterious flying objects have been? ... Can this be considered another UFO sighting? What did the astronaut mean when he reported that these peculiar 'white things' were *perhaps* 'being propelled or ejected'? And by whom?"







12) Apollo 11: "I say that there were other spaceships!"

Apollo 11, with Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins and Edwin Aldrin was the first Apollo flight to land on the Moon, on July 20, 1969. While Collins flew in orbit around the Moon in the command module, Armstrong and Aldrin descended in the lunar module, landing in the Sea of Tranquillity at 4:17 P.M.

According to hitherto un-confirmed reports, both Neil Armstrong and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin saw UFOs shortly after that historic landing on the Moon in Apollo 11 on 21 July 1969. I remember hearing one of the astronauts refer to a "light" in or on a crater during the television transmission, followed by a request from mission control for further information. Nothing more was heard.

The following astonishing conversation was picked up by ham radio operators that had their own VHF receiving facilities that bypassed NASA's broadcasting outlets. At this time, the live television broadcast was interrupted for two minutes due to a supposed "overheated camera", but the transmission below was received loud and clear by hundreds of ham radio operators:

According to Otto Binder, who was a member of the NASA space team, when the two moon-walkers, Aldrin and Armstrong were making their rounds some distance from the LEM, Armstrong clutched Aldrin's arm excitedly and exclaimed:

Armstrong: What was it? What the hell was it? That's all I want to know!"

Mission Control: What's there?... malfunction (garble) ... Mission Control calling Apollo 11 ... Apollo 11: These babies were huge, sir!... Enormous!... Oh, God! You wouldn't believe it! ... I'm telling you there are other space-craft out there ... lined up on the far side of the crater edge! ... They're on the Moon watching us! ...

Wilson writes (p. 48): "Binder ends his report with this observation: 'There has, understandably, been no confirmation of this incredible report by NASA or any authorities. WE cannot vouch for its authenticity, but if true, one can surmise that mission control went into a dither and then into a huddle, after which they sternly [ordered] the moonwalkers to 'forget' what they saw and carry on casually and calmly as if nothing had happened. After all, an estimated 600 million people around the world were hanging on every word spoken by the first two men to leave footprints on the Moon."



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The book "Celestial Raise" by Richard Watson and ASSK [P.O. Box 35 Mt. Shasta CA. 96067 (916)-926-2316); 1987; page 147-148] records the following (continuation?) of the above remarkable dialogue of Apollo 11, which was picked up by hundreds of ham radio operators in the USA:

"During the transmission of the Moon landing of Armstrong and Aldrin, who journeyed to the Moon in an American spaceship, two minutes of silence occurred in which the image and sound were interrupted. NASA insisted that this problem was the result of one of the television cameras which had overheated, thus interfering with the reception.

This unexpected problem surprised even the most qualified of viewers who were unable to explain how in such a costly project, one of the most essential elements could break down... Some time after the historic Moon landing, Christopher Craft, director of the base in Houston, made some surprising comments when he left NASA.

The contents of these comments, which is included in the conversations [below], has been corroborated by hundreds of amateur radio operators who had connected their stations to the same frequency through which the astronauts transmitted. During the two minute interruption - which was not as it seemed, NASA, Armstrong and Aldrin with Cape Kennedy, censored both image and sound. 'I say that there were other spaceships.'

Here is reproduced completely the dialogue between the American astronauts and Control Center:

Armstrong & Aldrin: Those are giant things. No, no, no - this is not an optical illusion. No one is going to believe this!

Houston (Christopher Craft): What ... what ... what? What the hell is happening? What's wrong with you?

Armstrong & Aldrin: They're here under the surface.

Houston: What's there? (muffled noise) Emission interrupted; interference control calling 'Apollo 11'.

Armstrong & Aldrin: We saw some visitors. They were here for a while, observing the instruments.

Houston: Repeat your last information!

Armstrong & Aldrin: I say that there were other spaceships. They're lined up in the other side of the crater!

Houston: Repeat, repeat!

Armstrong & Aldrin: Let us sound this orbita ... in 625 to 5 ... Automatic relay connected ... My hands are shaking so badly I can't do anything. Film it? God, if these damned cameras have picked up anything - what then?

Houston: Have you picked up anything?

Armstrong & Aldrin: I didn't have any film at hand. Three shots of the saucers or whatever they were that were ruining the film

Houston: Control, control here. Are you on your way? What is the uproar with the UFOs over?

Armstrong & Aldrin: They've landed here. There they are and they're watching us.

Houston: The mirrors, the mirrors - have you set them up?

Armstrong & Aldrin: Yes, they're in the right place. But whoever made those spaceships surely can come tomorrow and remove them. Over and out.

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The following is from: <A href="http://www.holli.com/~boda/sightings.html">http://www.holli.com/~boda/sightings.html

A certain professor, who wished to remain anonymous, was engaged in a discussion with Neil Armstrong during a NASA symposium.

Professor: What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11?

Armstrong: It was incredible, of course we had always known there was a possibility - the fact is, we were warned off! There was never any question then of a space station or a moon city.

Professor: How do you mean "warned off"?

Armstrong: I can't go into details, except to say that their ships were far superior to ours both in size and technology - Boy, were they big!...and menacing! No, there is no question of a space station.

Professor: But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11?

Armstrong: Naturally - NASA was committed at that time, and couldn't risk panic on Earth. But it really was a quick scoop and back again.

According to a Dr. Vladimir Azhazha:

"Neil Armstrong relayed the message to Mission Control that two large, mysterious objects were watching them after having landed near the Moon module (LEM). But this message was never heard by the public - because NASA censored it."

According to a Dr. Aleksandr Kasantsev, Buzz Aldrin took color movie film of the UFOs from inside the module, and continued filming them after he and Armstrong went outside.

Armstrong confirmed that the story was true but refused to go into further detail, beyond admitting that the CIA was behind the cover-up." -------------

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/astro2.html

some pretty neat radio exchanges to say the least.

The "warned off" with the Professor and Armstrong never happend, its a fake of course. So, then its close to assume that the rest are faked aswell.

Notice: This document may be exempt from public disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act (5 U.S.C. 552). Requests for its release to persons outside the U.S. government should be handled under the provisions of NASA policy directive 1382.2

...so, NASA doesn't have any secrets to hide huh? Why would they stamp that on this document and then release it to the public with that stamp visible? ...which makes me wonder - What have they NOT released to the public? NASA is not public, it is governed by the military...and that stamp is evidence.

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/mission_trans/AS17_LM.PDF

More transcripts:
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/mission_trans/apollo17.htm

just use the blue box to open a drop down page and click on what ever mission you want to view.

Ok, so when these "real" NASA documents agrees with your belief is ok, otherwise NASA is a lying p#&%¤ of s&¤%!...??

How scientific of you.

NASA does lie in keeping with NASA policy directive 1382.2
...look it up why don't you.

Actually, this will merely serve as proof to the people that believe in little green men from mars and secret lunar installations that the same UFOs seen in the Apollo photos are also here on earth buzzing around some woman's chest.

I think if NASA gets their funding from the public then there should be no security on information it gathers.

There is obviously something on this pic that the government doesnt want ppl to see because it been airbrushed out!

Yeah thats another thing there is obvious air brushing. Aside from the out there explanations what OTHER explanation for air brushing photos of a lifeless dusty rock 4 million KM from earth could there be. ANYTHING would be better than what is being talked about here. So I'm looking and see no skeptics jumping out with their president's choice explanations. Curious?

Would it help?

No eric im honestly asking for other plausible explanations. WE should start with a baseline first though
1. are these actual photos, as in the genuine article?
2. Is there anyway logically they would retouch photos from the moon? Would NASA do it to cover blotches caused by poor photo finishing? Etc.
3.Do these photos exist somewhere to be independantly examined so we could look and compare to see if they are merely normal photos someone has smudged in random spots so as to give the appearance of trickery but the smudges only cover moon.
4.If they only exist in retouched fashion then is there someone who can vouch for it being mundane that can be trusted?
5. Vice Versa is there someone who did that for a living who could vouch that it was tampered with to hide things.

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Theres my walking stick,! I wondered where I left it.

lol lol lol

Abecrombie

Seems to be a Nordic alien albeit on the large size... or is it a shape-shifting lizard- transforming?
Nevertheless interesting.

Hold on a second.. your so sceptic it's beyond belief. You should have an open mind. Remember just becasue you are skeptical of there being no life because of lack of evidence doesn't mean there is no life there. What you believe or don't believe does not change whats out there. First of all you can't prove there isen't life out there. Any evidence of searching for life in the universe done today that we know of is the equivilant to looking at the sea's surface from a mountain top which your trying to find life in. Please present your evidence for scrutiny. If you have no evidence, then don't make claims that there is no life. You are a believer and that's your right. But that right doesn't include making unfounded claims. same goes for you emma. Do you think we shoudln't go up there and study the moon becasue there is no evidence of structures. It certianly sounds like that from your last post

Hello everyone!

It was interesting to see one of my earliest of early Apollo 16 photos used on this post (the one with continental breakfast added to it... not cool)

I took the time to find the official high-resolution archive images. Made the personal contacts with official archive personnel and got my hands on the best quality images available today - in some cases, scanned to my requirements. The goal was to give the highest quality print of these images - in hopes of one day finding it on the shelf along with those other books we've seen that show amazing shots of the world (like the world in 365 days... those sorts of publications).

As I was adjusting the high-resolution images for print, I too started to see things. The 'things' I was starting to see were exactly like the close-ups of that Apollo 16 photograph (mentioned above). They were strange, but in the end, they could just be rocks.

To be fair, I'm no stranger to Art Bell and George Noory, Richard Hoagland, Glenn Steckling, and many others, but being a critical person (ask my wife) I was always enthusiastically entertaining the idea that there 'could' be proof out there, but I hadn't seen anything and who has the time? I always figured 'it' would happen sooner or later... that proof would be brought out into the light by someone else.

Then one night (actually about 2am or 3am) I found myself having trouble breathing as I stared at my monitor. I found something that could not be explained away and certainly didn't appear to be the result of a 30,000 mph meteor impact. As the old saying goes, "Where you find one, you'll find another"... so I went hunting for more. To date, I have more than I have time to put into my first publication (so I named it a Volume 1).

My mission is simple: "To stimulate conversation and debate in public and academic circles by revealing new photographic evidence of intentional structural design and organic shape-forms existing on the Moon prior to, and during the Apollo missions."

My criteria that qualifies the apparent elements of an image for reasonable and considerable debate are:

1. The arrangement of and relations between the parts or elements of something complex.
2. A building or other object constructed from several parts.
3. The quality of being organized.
4. An apparent 'Form Follows Function' that sets it apart from elements or terrain nearby.

What now intrigues me the most is that I can show some people a photograph of indisputable evidence of structural design and all they can do is try to explain it away.

Matter of fact, when I started showing one of my first real finds (I call it the Needle in the Haystack) to friends and family and asked them if they could see evidence of structural design, nearly all of them would still respond in disbelief. This is when I would ask them, "What if I told you that what you were really looking at is an old photograph taken during the early 1900's of some building at a mining camp in Southern Arizona? Would you agree then that what you see is probably a building of some sort?" ... and they always say yes. And then they say 'BUT...' ... but it's on the Moon, and that can't be! LOL

It is natural for our ego to provide checks and balances on our perception of reality. We need to see something familiar every morning in the mirror. What is it that short-circuits many of my image beta testers - especially since none of them have visited the Moon and therefore cannot, without question, prove to me that there is no evidence of anything artificial or intelligently designed on the Moon? Matter of fact, I have a photograph, and they only have a belief - a belief put there by someone else.

People go to jail for life because of photographic evidence - manipulated by 'specialists' to bring out the highlights, or burn in some shadows. Secret missions are handled all the time by looking in the shadows, making decisions on probability, not absolute truth. So, why then are the minds of my beta-testers closed before they even have a serious look at what I'm showing them? Hmmm... the Brookings Report must've been right after all....

If there are any professionals reading this that would like to consider collaborating, please contact me directly.

Thank you all for the stimulating debate - wish someone would've told me about it back in October!

Allan Sturm
Tucson, Arizona

Hello, and welcome to the forum. I'd sure be interested in seeing that photo. What's the NASA photo ID?

Regards,

Pericynthion

Try searching my username (from this site) on YouTube or Revver

Allan

Thanks for participating and welcome to the UM forum. Would you care sharing a photo or 2 and tell us about it?

Hi. Well... my avatar ( <--- ) is a favorite object of mine....

And here's the first one I ever found --- it was a career changer. I have now clocked over 1,000 hours looking at Apollo era photographs of the Moon. It's only after many many hours of not only getting used to the geology of the surface of the Moon, but getting used to the images from NASA (they vary in quality from total crud to almost good. None of them are at resolution equivalent to the film they were shot on) before one can really find the good stuff.

1,000 hours = about 50 really good ones, 100 reasonable ones, and about 500 'you better be used to looking at the Moon or you'll never see it' ones.
I'm publishing many of them very soon.

Come on. You are seeing what you want. Nothing else.

I agree, see you can make anything pop out.

See, we forgot the chicken claw, skulls and the alien head... and reptillians.




Well wrap me up and paint me hoagland!