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Scaring people? Are you high or something? They're teaching in school that Moses' story is fact.

If it's a PRIVATE school, and they meet the requirements (or beat the crap out of the requirements in most cases), and in addition the teach BELIEF in something you don't agree with, it's wrong?

What if they teach that the earth is a living organism??

What if they teach that "homosexual" acts are normal and OK, and everyone should try it??

What if they teach that ritual suicide is OK to spare ones family shame?

What if they teach that evolution is fact, NOT theory?

What if they teach that Caucasian kids are just as good at basketball as African-American kids?

Who are you to decide what facts and beliefs should or should NOT be taught in a PRIVATE school? It's like saying Iams can't teach his kids at home that "God" is real. If it was at public school, that MY tax dollars paid for, and I sent MY children to, it would be a different story.

The point is, it's PRIVATE school, and you CAN'T tell someone how to spend their money, or what to believe or not believe! What's worse, believing what you want, or being told what to believe? Your talking like a fascist!

"You can't teach children unapproved facts! Facts must be approved and verified by the state! We don't care that it's your money or in your own home! Teaching things unapproved by the state is abusive and cult-like! Now get in line or we'll imprison you and everyone that thinks and believes like you do! Then we'll take your kids and re-educate them!"

Why?

Why not?

They are CHILDREN!! They are not born knowing how to reason for themselves, that's why parents stick around to raise them and don't just wander away like most animals do. They are not being brainwashed any more than kids in public schools who are trained to think "we're ALL winners and there are no losers" are being brainwashed.

.....I do not drink soda never have, never will......

I would not patronise it, but at least i could be reasonably sure that it provided truly healthy food

how droll........

So tell me, if tom & bob like to snog, or beth and sally like to cuddle, what difference does it make to you? Or anyone else for that matter?
How does a couples relationship affect you lot, and why do you feel the need to impose your beliefs on others?

And spare me the "god hates fags" spiel. I'm sure that god is a big enough entity to care less who does what to whom, in a relationship.

Or is that too mocking for y'all?

Why wouldn't you partake of the diet you are forcing on others?

1 - the "god hates fags" was not necessarily aimed at YOU IamsSon, but I'm sure one of the other god fearing folk are sure to bring it up.

2 - Are you going to answer my question?

3 - The mocking comment was put there to deflect any attempt by you to say that I am slandering/ridiculing/bashing, or otherwise maligning your religion. Since ther are many here who like to take an issue and attempt to make it seem that there is an attack, when there is none.

4 - are you going to answer my question?

So tell me, if tom & bob like to snog, or beth and sally like to cuddle, what difference does it make to you? Or anyone else for that matter?
How does a couples relationship affect you lot, and why do you feel the need to impose your beliefs on others?

what is a 'sin' to one, is a 'virtue' to another.

Don't you have faith in your own god? I am sure that if he were that dead set against sin, he would indicate such displeasure to the interested parties.

There are many on here who claim that their god gave them a personal invitation, so the concept of a "free-will violation" is a non starter arguement. So why doesn't your god pay a visit to these so-called sinners?

Or, is it once again, an instance of HUMAN prejudice disguising itself as "holy" command?

Well, it's sin to me, so I look at it as all other sin.
God, as the Creator and master of this universe has for His own reasons decided that He no longer makes many personal visits to those who have not already come to Him by faith alone. He has instead chosen to use those who HAVE come to Him by faith to reach out to those who have not done so yet.

I gotta disagree IamsSon. Look around here. You will find many of the faithful who seem to have one on one convos with the head honcho.

Well yeah, if I disagree with it, it's my opinion that it's wrong.
I'd be against that as well because there isn't evidence to suggest it is.
Well I'd agree on the first part but not the trying it part. That would be wrong but teaching students not to be disgraceful bigots wouldn't be a good thing.
Well that's one of the biggest cases of brainwashing.
That'd just be as equally wrong because it's still a theory yet. A very strong theory with near unlimited evidence but yet still a theory.
Umm... Aren't they? Just a bit racist on your behalf there.
Who am I? I'm a guy with an opinion.

You're right, I can't get them to change just because I don't like it.... It's their money and time. I'll still think it's wrong though.

Fascist? Yeah, that's why I said earlier about free thinking. Guess that backfired on you.

God, as the Creator and master of this universe has for His own reasons decided that He no longer makes many personal visits to those who have not already come to Him by faith alone. He has instead chosen to use those who HAVE come to Him by faith to reach out to those who have not done so yet.

Sorry, I mis-stated.

What I meant to say was that there are many here who had god speak to them BEFORE they believed. They now continue to have personal discussions.

^^^ careful your desperation is showing lol

THATS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID!
BUT when those beliefs are forced upon you against your will and your forced to live according to someone else's delusional "truths" you have every right to retaliate wouldn't you agree?
and you can understand why it would leave somewhat of a sour taste in the mind of a normal, curious, THINKING human.

Again, the entire point of these schools is to keep children in the faith. If they weren't, they wouldn't have labeled them (enter religion here) school.

...here's the deal I think.

Kids who are enrolled in private religious schools have parents who are paying a huge amount of money to send their kids there. Because of that, parents tend to protect their investment quite carefully. Which means they take an active role in what the school is teaching and how well their kids are doing. There's no magic in a Private school education, but PAYING for it does tend to be a wake up call for parents. They don't want their money wasted.

Public school on the other hand is a hands off kind of deal. Your kids wake up in the morning, you send them there for 6 hours, kids come home, and when you finally arrive home from work 4 hours after that, the kidlette bats his cute little baby blues and says "yes, parental unit, I did my homework" ... a parent whose children are in a large public school has no way to find out of kidlette really did their homework or not. Not until report card time, and sometimes not even then.

It's a customer service issue sometimes. Public school teachers aren't trying to attract paying students, they have nothing invested in making sure your kid learns anything. They just do what the administration says to do. They brush off parents who want more information. They don't have to give it and most aren't even interested in giving it.

Private school teachers have to be pro-active if they want to keep their jobs. No students, no jobs. They are there not only to teach the child, but they're also responsible for being pro-active with both students and teachers to keep the almighty dollar rolling in the front door.

There's no real difference in cirriculum really... it's just the level of involvement and responsibility... the dollar is what keeps the private schools pro-active.

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They are CHILDREN!!

Its precisely because they are children that this issue is so emotive.
Obviously children look up to adults and for these 'teachers' to be teaching 'biblical lore' as FACT is highly irresponsible (and in a way a betrayal of student teacher principles).
>They are not being brainwashed any more than kids in public schools who are trained to think "we're ALL winners and there are no losers" are being brainwashed.

They are being informed by a person in a position of trust that 'specualtion and conjecture' is factual -when in reality it is not.
What is going to happen when these children grow up and attend geology,biology or anthropology studies? They will be ostracised and may face derision and mockery because of their 'religious conditioning'.
Teaching faith as fact to children is more about extremists furthering their own selfish religious agendas than any sincere regard for the welfare of children.

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Its precisely because they are children that this issue is so emotive.
Obviously children look up to adults and for these 'teachers' to be teaching 'biblical lore' as FACT is highly irresponsible (and in a way a betrayal of student teacher principles).


They are being informed by a person in a position of trust that 'specualtion and conjecture' is factual -when in reality it is not.
What is going to happen when these children grow up and attend geology,biology or anthropology studies? They will be ostracised and may face derision and mockery because of their 'religious conditioning'.
Teaching faith as fact to children is more about extremists furthering their own selfish religious agendas than any sincere regard for the welfare of children.

No, this is not the case, and this is what hangs people up so much. They are not being taught that the bible is fact. They are being taught that they are Christian, and that they believe in the bible as Gods word, etc etc.
If they were being taught bible stories as fact, without the belief, or faith aspect, that would be wrong.

I can't see why this is an issue, or how people can't see the difference between being taught a lie and being taught a belief. Get over it people.

I just wanted to comment that you are right -- there is no "magic" in private school education, however, I must inform you that private school education is not quite the same as public school education. For instance, private schools (at least the one my kids attend) are 2 to 3 grade levels above the same grade of public schools. My daughter is in the 9th grade in a private Christian school. If she were to enter public school, she would be placed in the 11th or 12th grade due to being so far ahead of where the public schools kids are in their learning (for the 9th grade). It's been this way since kindergarten. When my daughter was in kindergarten, her teacher had a roommate who was also a kindergarten teacher. The only difference between the two teachers is that one taught at a private school and one taught at a public. While grading papers together, the public school teacher noticed and commented on how far ahead the private school kindergarteners were than the public school kindergarteners. The private school kindergarteners were learning on a 2nd grade curriculum (according to the public school curriculum). Needless to say, this particular private Christian school prides itself on having the kids extremely college-ready. They are more than prepared for college classes due to actually being taught on a college level when they're in 10th, 11th, and 12th grade. The public schools pale in comparison.

Sheri..... backs away slowly......are you actually complimenting Iams?

*Slowly wakes up to find himself sprawled on the floor next to his computer desk*

*Reaches for office chair as he wonders what happened*

*Remembers Sheri's last post*

*... and loses consciousness again*

*pours cold water over Iams, shakes and smacks him a couple of times*

OH! Can I take a few shots at him too?

I mean, >ahem< Let me help the poor man to his feet................

OH! Can I take a few shots at him too?

I mean, >ahem< Let me help the poor man to his feet................

*accidental elbow* Sorry....

If a child goes to school they should be taught objective facts not speculation and conjecture masquerading as facts.

i agree son, after all as parents we do look out for them make decisons for them and at times its reilgious for some , and really its a very small percentage of parents that will disown their kids if they are adults and pursue a different path...
I say we have to try and take care what we pass on as guides to really have a keen insight into the constructs we support but in many cases, oh about teenage years the kid will begin to form his/her own ideas, i actaully think its natural.... i do not see harm in really understanding the theoretical structure of a system, and to look to see if it is really valuable, and maybe that is the point of kratos, it is with me .. we are shaping the future it has to be taken seriously it is for me....for me to say HS is of a useful qualtiy for what it is i am seeking is not bashing education its a sound decsion made on alot of data and insight, expeirience etc.... and reseach in the end we all want what is best for our kids regardless...